Mentally ill diabetic speaks no Arabic and has never lived in Iraq deported there and dies

[Superfluous Man]

A 41-year-old Detroit man deported to Iraq in June died Tuesday, according to the American Civil Liberties Union and two people close to the man’s family.

The man, Jimmy Aldaoud, spent most of his life in the U.S., but was swept up in President Donald Trump’s intensified immigration enforcement efforts.


Edward Bajoka, an immigration attorney who described himself as close to Aldaoud’s family, wrote on Facebook that the death appeared to be linked to the man’s inability to obtain insulin in Baghdad to treat his diabetes. Aldaoud was an Iraqi national, but he was born in Greece and came to the U.S. as a young child, his family friend said. He had never lived in Iraq and did not speak Arabic, according to Bajoka.

....

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/08/07/iraqi-man-dies-deportation-trump-administration-1643512

[specsaregood]

I wonder how he was acquiring the insulin here in the states.

[EBounding]

That's what you get for being born in the wrong place. True Americans earn deportation protection by being born here.

[Superfluous Man]

That's what you get for being born in the wrong place. True Americans earn deportation protection by being born here.

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to EBounding again."

Being born here, in addition to meeting other criteria.

[Ender]

That's what you get for being born in the wrong place. True Americans earn deportation protection by being born here.

Unless you're one of the million legal "born here" Mexican Americans who were rounded up & deported by Hoover, because of "muh jobs" in the Depression.

[Anti Globalist]

How was he getting insulin here if he didn't know any english? I'm guessing someone had to do the talking for him.

[Superfluous Man]

How was he getting insulin here if he didn't know any english? I'm guessing someone had to do the talking for him.

I don't see where the article says anything about not knowing English. But even if that was the case, so what?

[Ender]

I don't see where the article says anything about not knowing English. But even if that was the case, so what?

It's in the Title- probably meant "Arabic".

[Superfluous Man]

Oh shoot. You're right. I did mean Arabic. My bad.

[spudea]

Just follow the law. He had final deportation order for years, he could have voluntarily gone to any other country he wished such as his native Greece, they have free health care there for his insulin. Instead he chose to hide and try to escape law enforcement.

He was an Iraqi national. You don't magically get Iraqi nationality, which means he's a fucking liar about never been to Iraq.

[Superfluous Man]

Just follow the law.
Really? No matter what the law is? Let me ask you, do you follow this rule yourself? Or do you, like all the rest of us, break the law on a daily basis and think nothing of it?


he could have voluntarily gone to any other country he wished such as his native Greece
Source?


You don't magically get Iraqi nationality, which means he's a $#@!ing liar about never been to Iraq.
I'm sure it wasn't magical. But what are the ways that one can get Iraqi nationality, and how do you know it can't be gotten without living there?

Note that the article doesn't actually say he'd never been there, but that he'd never lived there and couldn't speak the language.

[brushfire]

This is what one can expect with arbitrary laws that are selectively enforced, and then countered by heavy incentives.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/PopularFalseKillifish-size_restricted.gif


^ not a substitute for a border wall, but an analogy demonstrating unreasonable expectations. Although, that might be a funny/cost effective stunt. ...putting an obstacle course on the border, and selling tickets for people to watch. The media could turn this immigration crisis into something entertaining.

[specsaregood]

I guess its too bad that Iraq doesn't have a suitable welfare and socialized healthcare system. then he would have been a-ok.

[Anti Federalist]

I guess its too bad that Iraq doesn't have a suitable welfare and socialized healthcare system. then he would have been a-ok.

Sounds like...

[tod evans]

I wonder how he was acquiring the insulin here in the states.

Racist!

[UWDude]

I don't care what some immigration liar/lawyer says.
And I don't care about how some non-American died.
I don't care.

And even the lawyers words are weasel words. "appeared to be"

The whole story is nothing but baseless rumors.

And even if true... I DONT CARE.

"man who cuts in line dies when sent to the back of the line"

GOOD

Bye bye.

(P.S. people who cut in line go to hell).

[spudea]

Really? No matter what the law is? Let me ask you, do you follow this rule yourself? Or do you, like all the rest of us, break the law on a daily basis and think nothing of it?

While I'm sure you are right, I don't expect to be immune from the consequences, especially after being informed and exhausting all judicial appeals and remedies.

[RJB]

The best and the brightest, just here to do what stupid Americans are too lazy to do.

[UWDude]

That's what you get for being born in the wrong place. True Americans earn deportation protection by being born here.

So now America is the world's hospice care for the diabetic and retarded?

Now we have to take in the "mentally ill" and fat, I mean "diabetic", because compassion?

Go to hell. No.

Out of compassion, out of money, out of homes, out of land, out of doctors, out of medications.

[Superfluous Man]

So now America is the world's hospice care for the diabetic and retarded?

Now we have to take in the "mentally ill" and fat, I mean "diabetic", because compassion?

Go to hell. No.

Out of compassion, out of money, out of homes, out of land, out of doctors, out of medications.

You don't have to. But you certainly have no right to stop those of us who want to from doing so.

[UWDude]

Source?
.

Your source is an immigration lawyer who DESCRIBED HIMSELF

as a

LAWYER

"close to" the family, who said the death "APPEARED TO BE"

Piss off.

[UWDude]

You don't have to. But you certainly have no right to stop those of us who want to from doing so.

I have every right as an American citizen, to say non-citizens are no longer welcome.

[Superfluous Man]

I have every right as an American citizen, to say non-citizens are no longer welcome.

Only with respect to property that you own, not anyone else's.

[UWDude]

Only with respect to property that you own, not anyone else's.

In your fantasy utopia.

Welcome to reality, where nations, borders, laws and citizenship are real.

[CoastieInColorado]

Really? No matter what the law is? Let me ask you, do you follow this rule yourself? Or do you, like all the rest of us, break the law on a daily basis and think nothing of it?



Well, your poor, poor victim sure didn't care. From the article you linked...


....According to the ACLU and a POLITICO search of court records, Aldaoud had a criminal conviction for disorderly conduct and served 17 months for a home invasion.

Bajoka, the family friend, said Aldaoud suffered from schizophrenia and other mental health issues.
“His mental health was the primary reason for his legal issues that led to his deportation,” Bajoka wrote on Facebook.



I was saying "fuck this guy" in my head before I even got to that part of the article. Which also stressed most of the people deported, have committed crimes.


Advocates for the (illegal)immigrants took the fight to federal court, but were hit with a major setback in December when the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit ruled the Trump administration could proceed with removals. The decision reversed a lower court’s ruling that had blocked the enforcement actions.

In its decision, the 6th Circuit stressed that many of the people subject to deportation had committed crimes.



While his sisters claim that his mental health issues leading to his legal issues may be true, and that's unfortunate, you seem to be pretending that these people are just being snatched off the streets with zero basis whatsoever. plus, he wasn't legally here to being with, and had a lifetime to fix it and do it the right way like millions have done, and instead decided to be a fugitive AND commit crimes. Seems to me they actually are considering productive members, and getting rid of the criminals first.

[UWDude]

According to the ACLU and a POLITICO search of court records, Aldaoud had a criminal conviction for disorderly conduct and served 17 months for a home invasion.


Aww, and he was mentally ill, too. He couldn't help he liked to break into people's homes and nations and steal things.

We should take time for his wounded hand, because he liked to steal, he liked to steal.

Where is the compassion in America? Does nobody care about the kleptomaniacs anymore?

Hey, if people want to allow in a bunch of thieves onto their private property, we can't tell them to stop.


Aldaoud had a criminal conviction for disorderly conduct and served 17 months for a home invasion.

Doing the jobs Americans are unwilling to do.


Aldaoud had a criminal conviction for disorderly conduct and served 17 months for a home invasion.

And country invasion.

[phill4paul]

Aww, and he was mentally ill, too. He couldn't help he liked to break into people's homes and nations and steal things.

We should take time for his wounded hand, because he liked to steal, he liked to steal.

Where is the compassion in America? Does nobody care about the kleptomaniacs anymore?

Hey, if people want to allow in a bunch of thieves onto their private property, we can't tell them to stop.



Doing the jobs Americans are unwilling to do.



And country invasion.

Superfluous should have taken him in and taken care of him. I'm sure there are millions living with him now.

[Superfluous Man]

In your fantasy utopia.

Welcome to reality, where nations, borders, laws and citizenship are real.

I have never disputed that. But just because something unjust happens doesn't make it right or mean that we can't criticize it.

[Superfluous Man]

had a lifetime to fix it and do it the right way like millions have done

Your source for saying he had some way available to him to stay here lawfully?

[UWDude]

I have never disputed that. But just because something unjust happens doesn't make it right or mean that we can't criticize it.

"unjust"

the Poor fat thief died.

DEAD

REST IN HELL

Justice.

[UWDude]

Your source...

Your source is an immigration lawyer who DESCRIBED HIMSELF

as a

LAWYER

"close to" the family, who said the death "APPEARED TO BE"

Piss off.

[RJB]

Only with respect to property that you own, not anyone else's.
It doesn't look like he respected property rights lol.


....According to the ACLU and a POLITICO search of court records, Aldaoud had a criminal conviction for disorderly conduct and served 17 months for a home invasion.

[Superfluous Man]

Your source is an immigration lawyer who DESCRIBED HIMSELF

as a

LAWYER

"close to" the family, who said the death "APPEARED TO BE"

Piss off.

Why are you angry?

[CoastieInColorado]

Your source for saying he had some way available to him to stay here lawfully?



To apply for Asylum, file a Form I-589, Application for Asylum and for Withholding of Removal, within one year of your arrival to the United States. There is no fee to apply for asylum.Jun 14, 2019

Asylum | USCIS
https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum/asylum (https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum/asylum)

[UWDude]

While his sisters claim that his mental health issues

In Lawyer speak, "mentally ill" can mean depressed, bipolar, kleptomania, gambling addiction, or even alcoholic.

[Superfluous Man]

https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum/asylum
[/URL]

How do you know he didn't apply for asylum or would have gotten it if he had?

[UWDude]

Why are you angry?

Because my instincts are telling me to be angry.

[CoastieInColorado]

Why are you angry?

Possibly because you're as dense as plutonium and you're literally defending a mentally ill illegal alien convicted felon's "right" to be here. ?

Just guessing.

[CoastieInColorado]

How do you know he didn't apply for asylum or would have gotten it if he had?
The fact remains it was available to him, which was your original question. Jesus.
I don't have to know that, because it doesn't matter.

[Superfluous Man]

Possibly because you're as dense as plutonium and you're literally defending a mentally ill illegal alien convicted felon's "right" to be here. ?

Just guessing.

Not sure where you got that from anything I said. Can you please quote me saying whatever it is that you disagree with?

[Superfluous Man]

I don't have to know that, because it doesn't matter.

Wasn't that precisely the argument you were making? If it doesn't matter, why did you try to argue it?

[RJB]

Because my instincts are telling me to be angry.

Because you are being lectured on property rights from a poster who is defending an illegal who breaks into homes. Either see it as the clown world that it is and laugh it off, or stay angry.

[Stratovarious]

BIG SHOUTOUT SOCIALISED MEDICAL CARE IN IRAQ .....

[CoastieInColorado]

How do you know he didn't apply for asylum .....

Again-it doesn't matter. How do you not understand this?

If he didn't apply for asylum, and was here anyway: crime.

If he did apply, and was denied, and stayed anyway:crime.

He was a convicted felon, in addition to being mentally ill.

He had a final order of removal, so all of the above was true.

These are the facts.


...or would have gotten it if he had?

It doesn't matter the result of the request, just that it was available to him, which is what you asked and what I was responding to.



Wasn't that precisely the argument you were making? If it doesn't matter, why did you try to argue it?

I was pretty clear what I was saying, and clarified further here, and am done with you. Have a great weekend.

[Danke]

"unjust"

the Poor fat thief died.

DEAD

REST IN HELL

Justice.

He wasn't fat.

[EBounding]

Your source is an immigration lawyer who DESCRIBED HIMSELF

as a

LAWYER

"close to" the family, who said the death "APPEARED TO BE"

Piss off.


Do you think this guy is actually still alive?

[Stratovarious]

Because you are being lectured on property rights from a poster who is defending an illegal who breaks into homes. Either see it as the clown world that it is and laugh it off, or stay angry.

If lying about seeking political asylum fails , just claim you're a mentally ill (insert additional conditions here) diabetic.

This story wreaks blsht from go , ''...so this mentally ill diabetic cross dressing, lbgt, satanic-vegetarian comes into my office and asks for free legal
representation...doesn't even speak his native language...'' , so yea, naturally, attorneys are climbing over desks chairs and other attorneys
to grab at a chance to defend
people like this and pro bono of course.....

[Stratovarious]

Again-it doesn't matter. How do you not understand this?

If he didn't apply for asylum, and was here anyway: crime.

If he did apply, and was denied, and stayed anyway:crime.

He was a convicted felon, in addition to being mentally ill.

He had a final order of removal, so all of the above was true.

These are the facts.



It doesn't matter the result of the request, just that it was available to him, which is what you asked and what I was responding to.




I was pretty clear what I was saying, and clarified further here, and am done with you. Have a great weekend.

What is the first thing a convicted felon claims....... Mental instability , why not , what have they got to lose, it makes
great 'copy' too.
If you're trying to explain anything to SM, or have a logical, cohesive conversation, remember the song 'Dream on' Aerosmyth,,,,,,,,,,,,

[phill4paul]

I don't give a flying rat fuck.

There. I said it.

[enhanced_deficit]

Racist!

This hopefully was sarcasm but would be hard to call 'racist' an administration with a strong pro-diversity record. This was just one recent example:

Trump administration warned Sweden of 'negative consequences' if Somali-American rapper A$AP Rocky wasn't released (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?537593-BREAKING-El-Paso-TX-Mass-Shooting-at-Wal-Mart&p=6838289&viewfull=1#post6838289)

[Robert089]

I am from Michigan and there are a lot of Iraqi Christians here. They are extremely anti-Semitic and hate Israel. They really are ill-mannered and this guy really takes the cake with his criminal activity.

I found this post by Rod Dreher at the American Conservative to be rather amusing: https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/merciless-america-killed-jimmy-al-daoud/

Rod is so insufferable. First he rants about 'Iraqi Christian genocide' and blames that on Bush. Then he blames Trump. So retarded.


The Trump administration has sought to deport more than 1,000 Iraqis with final orders of removal, including Chaldean Catholics in the Detroit metro area, of which Aldaoud was one. Chaldeans are an eastern branch of the Roman Catholic church who trace their roots to ancient Mesopotamia in present-day Iraq, where they are at high risk of being tortured or killed by the the terror group ISIS, the American Civil Liberties Union argued in a related legal case.

If ISIS kills Iraqi Christians, how is this my problem?

[EBounding]

Homeless Man Arrested For Stealing Power Tools From Garage

https://detroit.cbslocal.com/2012/04/10/homeless-man-arrested-for-stealing-power-tools-from-garage/

Conviction tossed in case of man who acted as lawyer

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/oakland-county/2015/01/29/conviction-tossed-case-man-acted-lawyer/22514559/

[Superfluous Man]

Again-it doesn't matter. How do you not understand this?


Again, you're the one who brought that point up. I'm not sure what your point was if you don't think it matters.

[Superfluous Man]

I am from Michigan and there are a lot of Iraqi Christians here. They are extremely anti-Semitic and hate Israel. They really are ill-mannered and this guy really takes the cake with his criminal activity.

I found this post by Rod Dreher at the American Conservative to be rather amusing: https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/merciless-america-killed-jimmy-al-daoud/

Rod is so insufferable. First he rants about 'Iraqi Christian genocide' and blames that on Bush. Then he blames Trump. So retarded.



If ISIS kills Iraqi Christians, how is this my problem?

Do you deny that Bush is largely to blame for the Iraqi Christian genocide?

[Anti Federalist]

I don't give a flying rat fuck.

There. I said it.

I was wondering which of us it would be.

[Anti Federalist]

You don't have to. But you certainly have no right to stop those of us who want to from doing so.

Nope, not at all.

You are more than free to go to Iraq on your dime, and tend to the needy.

On your dime.

[Anti Federalist]

Only with respect to property that you own, not anyone else's.

Only an individual can exercise or enforce property rights, right?

[UWDude]

I was wondering which of us it would be.


weak sauce.

I hope the rest of his crybaby family gets sent back too, along with their sleazeball lawyer.

come to country, steal resources, throw shit fit when theiving little bastard brother gets thrown out. Probably going to waste resources on a lawsuit too.

BtTW, ANY Iraqi in America has been strctly vetted by the neo con deep state. Only those who collaborated with the US government during its invasion and occupation are allowed in.

[Superfluous Man]

Nope, not at all.

You are more than free to go to Iraq on your dime, and tend to the needy.

On your dime.

Exactly. Or to bring them to the US on my dime. Or on his dime. And the same goes for whomever it was that did bring this individual here on their dime.

[Anti Federalist]

Exactly. Or to bring them to the US on my dime. Or on his dime. And the same goes for whomever it was that did bring this individual here on their dime.

Oh no, afraid not.

Not until the welfare state is abolished.

Because now, one way or the other, it becomes my dime.

So, so sorry, you don't get to import migrants and then foist them off on me when you're tired of looking after them.

[enhanced_deficit]

I am from Michigan and there are a lot of Iraqi Christians here. They are extremely anti-Semitic and hate Israel. ....



Unfortunetly, this has been a persistent problem going back decades. Under MAGA's leadership some progress is being made (Trump administration launches global effort to fight anti-semitism (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?531728-Trump-administration-launches-global-effort-to-fight-anti-semitism&)) but long way to go to correct such deep rooted attitudes:


ADL: Anti-Semitism persistent among Arab Christians

Vatican blame Israeli ‘occupation’ as big reason for Christian exodus (http://www.jweekly.com/article/full/59568/bishops-blame-israeli-occupation-as-big-reason-for-christian-exodus/)

"Operation (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?416080-Syrian-Christian-Villages-attackers-aware-of-quot-Ikrit-and-Biram-quot-blowback-history&p=5052221&viewfull=1#post5052221)Ikrit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikrit) and (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?416080-Syrian-Christian-Villages-attackers-aware-of-quot-Ikrit-and-Biram-quot-blowback-history&p=5052221&viewfull=1#post5052221)Biram (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?416080-Syrian-Christian-Villages-attackers-aware-of-quot-Ikrit-and-Biram-quot-blowback-history&p=5052221&viewfull=1#post5052221)" history: And all they left us was the church (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?416080-Syrian-Christian-Villages-attackers-aware-of-quot-Ikrit-and-Biram-quot-blowback-history&p=5052221&viewfull=1#post5052221)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xx153bakIdQ

Israeli court OKs separation barrier through Vatican properties in West Bank Christian town (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/04/29/israeli-court-oks-separation-barrier-through-vatican-properties-in-west-bank/)

Under "Occupation", Palestinian Christians Face Potential Extinction (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?436553-Under-quot-Occupation-quot-Palestinian-Christians-Face-Potential-Extinction&)

Palestinian Christian leader in Canada: Shoot Israeli Jews if they don’t leave Jerusalem (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?423449-Palestinian-Christian-leader-in-Canada-Shoot-Israeli-Jews-if-they-don%E2%80%99t-leave-Jerusalem&)

Syrian Christians: The Next Victim Of Obama’s Syrian Policy (http://www.redstate.com/2013/09/12/syrian-christians-the-next-victim-of-obamas-syrian-policy/)
(http://www.redstate.com/2013/09/12/syrian-christians-the-next-victim-of-obamas-syrian-policy/)






If ISIS kills Iraqi Christians, how is this my problem?

Even some of the extreme pro-Israel, pro Iraq/Iran/Syria wars neoconservatives are starting to realize that alliance with violent extremist groups was a huge blunder.

Ron Paul: Israel Created Hamas (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yb3vF6Vcjr0)

Will Neocons-Al Qaeda alliance end well? (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?427051-Will-Neocons-Al-Qaeda-alliance-end-well&)

[r3volution 3.0]

That's what you get for being born in the wrong place. True Americans earn deportation protection by being born here.

https://i.imgflip.com/37kw25.jpg

[oyarde]

Sad that he is dead .The alarming thing though should be how did he arrive here in the first place . If you are a Med Arabic speaking Iraqi who came from Greece and have nothing to offer why would they have allowed him in ?

[RJB]

Sad that he is dead .The alarming thing though should be how did he arrive here in the first place . If you are a Med Arabic speaking Iraqi who came from Greece and have nothing to offer why would they have allowed him in ?

To do the jobs stupid Americans are too lazy to do like breaking into houses, of course.

[Swordsmyth]

Oh no, afraid not.

Not until the welfare state is abolished.

Because now, one way or the other, it becomes my dime.

So, so sorry, you don't get to import migrants and then foist them off on me when you're tired of looking after them.
Not even then, no individual has a right to import communist scum who will establish a welfare state.

[Swordsmyth]

Groups have property rights and a right to control who enters their territory.

[Swordsmyth]

Mentally ill diabetic speaks no Arabic and has never lived in Iraq deported there and dies


Good, America and the world are now slightly better places.

[UWDude]

Unfortunately his Christian religion taught him to hate Israel. All Arab Christians deserve death for hating Israel and this guy's death gives me immense pleasure. The fact that he was a pagan-worshiping-Jesus-loving-Israel-hater is just a sweet cherry on the cake. I celebrate his death while pissing on the cross.

Devil thinks he is funny.

[Superfluous Man]

You a lover of Israel-hating Iraqi-pagan-xtians?

Jesus loves them, and so do I. Yes.

[Sammy]

Is genocide of Israel-hating, anti-Semitic monsters a bad thing? Bush killed Israel-haters. He should be celebrated for that.

Fuck off you Neocon.