Igniting Civil War

[Anti Federalist]

Igniting Civil War

https://amgreatness.com/2019/08/06/igniting-civil-war/

By Angelo Codevilla| August 6th, 2019|Tags: Civic Culture

Angelo M. Codevilla is a senior fellow of the Claremont Institute, professor emeritus of international relations at Boston University

Government sponsorship of violence against opponents or complacency in the face of incitement to violence is a powerful tool of political repression. Regimes such as Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, Nicaragua, China, and other tyrannies have used such tactics to great effect. When mobs attack anti-government demonstrators, for example, the police either disappear or stand by watching. In American cities run by Democrats and on the U.S. college and university campuses, the authorities increasingly have been standing by as radicals do the dirty work of beating up or silencing conservatives.

In societies riven by mutual hate, the people who control the police and public communications make all the difference. When they maintain impartiality, as did Germany’s Weimar government while the Nazis and Communists struggled for primacy, partisan warfare tends to be resolved politically—though the results are harsh. When societal hatred or the partiality of authorities results in deaths, long-smoldering cold civil war can blaze into holocaust.

We Americans are now facing the danger of a civil war thus ignited. We do not think of civil war this way because our Civil War from 1861 to 1865 was less a conflict within society than it was a highly organized war between states. That war notwithstanding, personal friendships and mutual esteem persisted on both sides, such as that between Ulysses S. Grant and prominent Confederate General James Longstreet.

What we face now is worse.

What’s Typical in Civil Wars?

Classic civil wars, from Thucydides’ account of the Corcyrean revolution of 431 B.C. to the Spanish Civil War of 1936-1939, tend to be far more bitterly murderous than anything that has yet happened in America. These wars ignite when public power abets—or is perceived as having abetted—violence in longstanding social struggles, when authorities treat opponents as outside the protection of the laws, or when they criminalize political differences outright.

The authorities also bear most of the responsibility for piling up and drying the partisan fuel that they then ignite. Thucydides tells us that the Corcyrean parties’ adherence to the Peloponnesian War’s opposing sides simply sharpened their long simmering conflict. It mattered little which of the two first refused to accept losing a vote in the city assembly and accused the winners of improprieties. Reciprocally, they heated their cold civil war until one side shed blood. The spiral of violence then accelerated, and the city essentially depopulated itself.

In 1920s Spain, the newly formed Communist Party, the socialists, anarchists, and various regional separatists spurred each other’s hostility toward the country’s Catholic, royalist population. Where the Left won local elections in May 1931, mobs of its supporters ravaged churches, raped nuns, and beat conservatives with impunity. As leftist violence spread to the rest of the country after the June national elections, conservative localities retaliated, and the army began to plot against the republic.

The Spanish government turned conservative in 1934. That led to the “popular front” alliance, consisting primarily of radicals, which narrowly won the 1936 elections. In the aftermath, a militant leftist squad leader was killed. As the police searched for the killer, one of their entourage murdered the country’s leading conservative politician, Jose Calvo Sotelo. The army struck back. The atrocities committed by ordinary people on ordinary people dwarfed the armies’ horrors. “Viva la muerte,” long live death, is the ensuing war’s most memorable saying.

Suborning Violence

It all starts with getting people accustomed to hating each other. And that starts at the top.

Saying hateful things about one’s opponents is a time-tested way of stoking supporters’ enthusiasm, of building support for one’s own side. But when blood is spilled, someone, then everyone else, tends to use it as a pretext for inciting more violence. That’s the meaning of blood-feud.

The story of the contemporary American Left’s sponsorship of hate and violence begins around 1964, when the Democratic Party chose to abandon the Southern constituencies that had been its mainstay since the time of Jefferson and Jackson. In less than a decade, the party found itself increasingly dependent on gaining super-majorities among blacks, upscale liberals, and constituencies of resentment in general—and hence on stoking their hate.

For the past half century, America’s political history has been driven by the Democratic Party’s effort to fire up these constituencies by denigrating the rest of America. As elements of cynical calculation melded into self-images of righteous entitlement to rule inferiors, the boundaries between the party and the constituencies’ most radical parts have eroded.

In the 21st century’s second decade, explicit statements by the party’s principal figures—President Obama, Hillary Clinton, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, to name only a few—have led their epigones in power as well as millions of followers to think and act as if conservatives were simply on a lower level of humanity, and should have their faces rubbed in their own inferiority. New York Governor Andrew Cuomo simply declared that pro-lifers and other conservatives have no place in his state.

As the media amplified and cheered such guidance from on high, it would be surprising if many ordinary followers have not concluded that harassing if not harming conservatives in restaurants, airports, as well as in their public functions is not just permissible but praiseworthy, and if thousands of persons who exercise power over cities, towns and schools have not concluded that facilitating such harassment and harm is their duty.

Police in leftist jurisdictions have stood aside as violent groups disrupted the 2016 Republican presidential campaign and the 2017 presidential inauguration in Washington, D.C., as racial mobs have ravaged malls and shut down major roads, as conservatives have been attacked physically as they tried to speak or merely observed. The media have basically justified the violence. The other side has done nothing comparable—yet.

But since the ruling class’s condemnations of conservatives as racists, environmental criminals, and would-be terrorists are becoming well-nigh universal, the probability of deadly attacks on conservatives, of intolerable convictions or absolutions, and assassinations, rises to certainty. So does corresponding demand for protection and revenge.

It would be surprising were political words from on high not to be among the factors that trigger mentally ill persons to act out their fantasies. Although the number of mass shootings in America has declined in recent decades, the role of politics in the killers’ derangement seems to have increased. In the closest call yet, a few months after the 2017 inaugural, a Democratic Party activist who had supported Bernie Sanders and regularly posted violent rants against President Trump on social media opened fire on Republican congressmen practicing for a baseball game, nearly killing Representative Steve Scalise (R-La.). The ruling class rushed to exonerate itself.

The ruling class’s provocative bias has been on display subsequent to the most recent outrages by mental cases—22 killed in El Paso, Texas, and nine in Dayton, Ohio—the first by someone who mixed anti-immigration rantings with radical environmentalism, the second by a purebred leftist. The bodies were still warm as Democratic presidential candidates vied to indict President Trump, his supporters and, yes, white men in general, for membership in (nonexistent) murderous white supremacist organizations. The fact that many of the denouncers are white men only underlined their short-term political calculations. The congressman representing El Paso and its sheriff told President Trump to stay out of their city. Dayton’s mayor said the same thing. Who can enforce dicta of that sort?

What should happen, what can happen, when the real, existing violent organizations of the Left—Antifa and the several radical black organizations—try to exclude or to punish? Several cities—Portland, Oregon and Charlottesville, Virginia among them—have had their streets taken over. What happens when these organizations organize mobs to harass their least favorite people? What happens when some of them wind up dead?

At a certain point, the other side shoots back.

Here as elsewhere, the several police forces may be expected to split and take opposite sides. Then the army’s special forces become the arbiters, and the war rages.

We know that our ruling class having largely made government into a partisan thing, America has crossed the threshold of revolution. While we have no way of knowing what lies ahead, we know that the spiral of political violence has already taken its first fateful turns, and that the logic of our partisan ruling class is pushing for more.

[Anti Federalist]

I disagree that this is shaping up to be a civil war.

This is more closely resembling the French or Bolshevik revolutions.

[Swordsmyth]

I disagree that this is shaping up to be a civil war.

This is more closely resembling the French or Bolshevik revolutions.
Both of those had civil wars between the revolutionaries and counter-revolutionaries and both could have ended with the counter revolutionaries winning, in Spain that's what happened.

The big question is which foreign powers will support which side, the left has made Russia their boogeyman so we might get help from Putin.

[TheTexan]

Spanish Civil War of 1936-1939

A.K.A. the war against anarchy.

The anarchists stood no chance against the nationalists :cool:

[Intoxiklown]

I disagree that this is shaping up to be a civil war.

This is more closely resembling the French or Bolshevik revolutions.

The only issues I take with the article is the hatefulness is well seated within both groups, not just the Democrats side. Two good examples are Neil Cavuto and Ron Paul. I follow both on FB, and being that both have no aversion for calling a spade a spade....they've noted mistakes or poor judgement with Trump's time as President, just as they did with Obama and Bush before. But their posted articles fill up with hundreds of, "I should have known you were a libtard biding their time. Stupid ass Trump hater! How about you support the President or get the hell out of America"! They literally deify Trump just as much as those hardcore liberals did Obama.

It also makes me feel nausea anytime someone calls Republicans conservative, since there is nothing conservative about 99% of Republicans.

Good article though. And scarily more true than I think any of us would like to admit

[TheCount]

Nope.

[Schifference]

This is more of a phycological war. The mentally imbalanced border line insane trying to take over the country. This is not about racism they are coming at America with a full assault from every front.

[jmdrake]

The story of the contemporary American Left’s sponsorship of hate and violence begins around 1964, when the Democratic Party chose to abandon the Southern constituencies that had been its mainstay since the time of Jefferson and Jackson. In less than a decade, the party found itself increasingly dependent on gaining super-majorities among blacks, upscale liberals, and constituencies of resentment in general—and hence on stoking their hate.


:rolleyes: So going against the KKK now equals sponsorship of hate? I tell you what hate is. Hate is the southern a$$holes who wiped multiple black towns off the face of the map in documented case after documented case of ethnic cleansing. Black people, living in their own communities, running their own businesses and thriving were wiped out repeatedly based on nothing but some phony rape allegation by some white woman. That history doesn't get told in public school or in most private schools either. I didn't even know about it myself until John Singleton's movie "Rosewood." It was the black slaves who were abandoned by the Republicans when Rutherford B. Hayes was elected president and withdrew all federal troops from the South. You want to be left alone AF? Guess what? We do too! But if there is a civil war and if some more white a$$holes try to come in and ethnically cleanse my community, some of them will leave in body bags. My great grandfather faced down the klan. He was a podiatrist in Birmingham Alabama in the early 1900s. His clinic had a plate glass window that opened to the street. Someone saw him working on a white woman's foot (a podiatrist is a foot doctor), thought it was some sort of sexual thing (ignorance isn't always bliss), and reported it to the klan. Only my great grandfather had a friend who was in the klan. (Every white person with any influence in Birmingham Alabama was in the klan in the early 1900s). That friend told my great grandfather who went and got himself deputized. (The sheriff, also a klan member, was my great grandfather's friend as well). He put word out on the street "They can come for me, but six of them won't go home alive." They never came. So those with the "civil war 2" fantasies remember this. Some in your ranks are going along with you for show, but don't really agree with you. Lastly, this is why blacks overwhelmingly vote democrat. It's the not so unjustified fear that white conservatives look fondly on the days of Jim Crowe as the "good old days." Self preservation trumps everything. I personally know blacks who actually like much of what Trump has done economically and especially the money he has directed to historically black colleges and universities and black farmers. It's Trump supporters they worry about.

Edit: One more thing. The democrats were pushing socialism LONG before the "abandoned southern whites" in 1964. It was racist democrat Woodrow Wilson who instituted the income tax and the federal reserve. And FDR instituted our biggest socialist programs, social security and medicare, back in the 1930s. He would have gone full state healthcare if he had been able to get away with it. Southern "conservative" whites love socialism as long as they are the ones primarily benefiting from it.

[Intoxiklown]

:rolleyes: So going against the KKK now equals sponsorship of hate? I tell you what hate is. Hate is the southern a$$holes who wiped multiple black towns off the face of the map in documented case after documented case of ethnic cleansing. Black people, living in their own communities, running their own businesses and thriving were wiped out repeatedly based on nothing but some phony rape allegation by some white woman. That history doesn't get told in public school or in most private schools either. I didn't even know about it myself until John Singleton's movie "Rosewood." It was the black slaves who were abandoned by the Republicans when Rutherford B. Hayes was elected president and withdrew all federal troops from the South. You want to be left alone AF? Guess what? We do too! But if there is a civil war and if some more white a$$holes try to come in and ethnically cleanse my community, some of them will leave in body bags. My great grandfather faced down the klan. He was a podiatrist in Birmingham Alabama in the early 1900s. His clinic had a plate glass window that opened to the street. Someone saw him working on a white woman's foot (a podiatrist is a foot doctor), thought it was some sort of sexual thing (ignorance isn't always bliss), and reported it to the klan. Only my great grandfather had a friend who was in the klan. (Every white person with any influence in Birmingham Alabama was in the klan in the early 1900s). That friend told my great grandfather who went and got himself deputized. (The sheriff, also a klan member, was my great grandfather's friend as well). He put word out on the street "They can come for me, but six of them won't go home alive." They never came. So those with the "civil war 2" fantasies remember this. Some in your ranks are going along with you for show, but don't really agree with you. Lastly, this is why blacks overwhelmingly vote democrat. It's the not so unjustified fear that white conservatives look fondly on the days of Jim Crowe as the "good old days." Self preservation trumps everything. I personally know blacks who actually like much of what Trump has done economically and especially the money he has directed to historically black colleges and universities and black farmers. It's Trump supporters they worry about.

Edit: One more thing. The democrats were pushing socialism LONG before the "abandoned southern whites" in 1964. It was racist democrat Woodrow Wilson who instituted the income tax and the federal reserve. And FDR instituted our biggest socialist programs, social security and medicare, back in the 1930s. He would have gone full state healthcare if he had been able to get away with it. Southern "conservative" whites love socialism as long as they are the ones primarily benefiting from it.

Growing up in the deep south, I know full well both the history and people you're talking about. What's ironic to me though is that by and large such a wide consensus like that once held is gone. Not to say that racists aren't in the south, but it's not like Mississippi Burning in every town. I never appreciated that fact until I was offered a plant manager position for a CNC shop in Elkhart, IN. After a few weeks there.....LMAO....I had my eyes opened.

Firstly, it made me aware that everyone assumed that by virtue of my accent I had to be a racist. And the way I found this out was one day one of the machine operators was talking to me (he is a black guy), and is talking about how between the recession (this was in 2009) and the massive amounts of illegal immigrants from Mexico had made it above and beyond difficult for people to find decent paying jobs. He then goes on to tell me every thing even remotely against company policy he's seen committed by employees.....the Mexican ones. That afternoon, one of the fork lift operators (who was Mexican) was with me going over his paperwork from the shipping docks that day.....and fuck me he starts talking about the black population targeting the Mexicans with crimes like robbery, banking on them not calling the police in fear of deportation. To his credit.....his racism really came out with more directness than the previous dose I got that morning from the machine operator, which was concerning since that confirmed me being viewed as a "safe place" to go to and just really put out some racial hate.

This occurred a few more times over the next few weeks with a few different employees.....and I had just made a joke to my boss that at least none had been a white person. Well.....MF'er.....that's when the whitest of the white caught me outside smoking and started talking to me. And in 15 minutes, he taught me more racial slurs than I had learned my entire life growing up in the south on top of traveling the world with the Army.

I finally went to HR to get on record before this somehow got around with me as the new Grand Wizard. I wouldn't identify any employee since HR would have to fire them per policy, and that would have literally shut half that department down. Instead I had a meeting with the shift with HR as a witness, and explained that just because I talked like every bad guy in a movie about racists they'd seen didn't mean I was one, nor that I was someone for them to bounce their racist complaints off of. And I told them that this was their freebie, since I would not give anyone's name to HR as they would be fired.....but going forward....I now had HR in my cell phone so I could immediately report the next person to do so.

It just completely blew my mind. I was used to running across someone who hated black people, white people, mexicans, ect in sporadic places at times.....it was literally every SOB there. Blacks hated the Mexicans, Mexicans hated the blacks, the whites hates both.....

But it also made me both acknowledge some shameful history, as well as being a bit insulted that due to me twanging a few words I was automatically a fellow racist to them.

[CoastieInColorado]

Growing up in the deep south, I know full well both the history and people you're talking about. What's ironic to me though is that by and large such a wide consensus like that once held is gone. Not to say that racists aren't in the south, but it's not like Mississippi Burning in every town. I never appreciated that fact until I was offered a plant manager position for a CNC shop in Elkhart, IN. After a few weeks there.....LMAO....I had my eyes opened.

Firstly, it made me aware that everyone assumed that by virtue of my accent I had to be a racist. And the way I found this out was one day one of the machine operators was talking to me (he is a black guy), and is talking about how between the recession (this was in 2009) and the massive amounts of illegal immigrants from Mexico had made it above and beyond difficult for people to find decent paying jobs. He then goes on to tell me every thing even remotely against company policy he's seen committed by employees.....the Mexican ones. That afternoon, one of the fork lift operators (who was Mexican) was with me going over his paperwork from the shipping docks that day.....and fuck me he starts talking about the black population targeting the Mexicans with crimes like robbery, banking on them not calling the police in fear of deportation. To his credit.....his racism really came out with more directness than the previous dose I got that morning from the machine operator, which was concerning since that confirmed me being viewed as a "safe place" to go to and just really put out some racial hate.

This occurred a few more times over the next few weeks with a few different employees.....and I had just made a joke to my boss that at least none had been a white person. Well.....MF'er.....that's when the whitest of the white caught me outside smoking and started talking to me. And in 15 minutes, he taught me more racial slurs than I had learned my entire life growing up in the south on top of traveling the world with the Army.

I finally went to HR to get on record before this somehow got around with me as the new Grand Wizard. I wouldn't identify any employee since HR would have to fire them per policy, and that would have literally shut half that department down. Instead I had a meeting with the shift with HR as a witness, and explained that just because I talked like every bad guy in a movie about racists they'd seen didn't mean I was one, nor that I was someone for them to bounce their racist complaints off of. And I told them that this was their freebie, since I would not give anyone's name to HR as they would be fired.....but going forward....I now had HR in my cell phone so I could immediately report the next person to do so.

It just completely blew my mind. I was used to running across someone who hated black people, white people, mexicans, ect in sporadic places at times.....it was literally every SOB there. Blacks hated the Mexicans, Mexicans hated the blacks, the whites hates both.....

But it also made me both acknowledge some shameful history, as well as being a bit insulted that due to me twanging a few words I was automatically a fellow racist to them.

While I wasn't of working age, I spent my first 10 years in New England, that's where I learned the word n***er...from all of my aunts and uncles in Southie(South Boston)where there were NO blacks(back then). They're all still racist as hell, especially now that their hometown is essentially all black now.

It's like this everywhere in the south(lived there '87-2016, 3 different states), and that's what everyone seems to ignore-it's everyone doing it to everyone, there is no KKK or white supremacists with any power whatsoever anymore down there, and I never met a single one. Come to think of it, there was much more racism towards whites than vice versa.

I've seen hands down more racism from Blacks towards everyone than anyone else, probably because they can actually get away with it.

[jmdrake]

Growing up in the deep south, I know full well both the history and people you're talking about. What's ironic to me though is that by and large such a wide consensus like that once held is gone. Not to say that racists aren't in the south, but it's not like Mississippi Burning in every town. I never appreciated that fact until I was offered a plant manager position for a CNC shop in Elkhart, IN. After a few weeks there.....LMAO....I had my eyes opened.

Firstly, it made me aware that everyone assumed that by virtue of my accent I had to be a racist. And the way I found this out was one day one of the machine operators was talking to me (he is a black guy), and is talking about how between the recession (this was in 2009) and the massive amounts of illegal immigrants from Mexico had made it above and beyond difficult for people to find decent paying jobs. He then goes on to tell me every thing even remotely against company policy he's seen committed by employees.....the Mexican ones. That afternoon, one of the fork lift operators (who was Mexican) was with me going over his paperwork from the shipping docks that day.....and $#@! me he starts talking about the black population targeting the Mexicans with crimes like robbery, banking on them not calling the police in fear of deportation. To his credit.....his racism really came out with more directness than the previous dose I got that morning from the machine operator, which was concerning since that confirmed me being viewed as a "safe place" to go to and just really put out some racial hate.

This occurred a few more times over the next few weeks with a few different employees.....and I had just made a joke to my boss that at least none had been a white person. Well.....MF'er.....that's when the whitest of the white caught me outside smoking and started talking to me. And in 15 minutes, he taught me more racial slurs than I had learned my entire life growing up in the south on top of traveling the world with the Army.

I finally went to HR to get on record before this somehow got around with me as the new Grand Wizard. I wouldn't identify any employee since HR would have to fire them per policy, and that would have literally shut half that department down. Instead I had a meeting with the shift with HR as a witness, and explained that just because I talked like every bad guy in a movie about racists they'd seen didn't mean I was one, nor that I was someone for them to bounce their racist complaints off of. And I told them that this was their freebie, since I would not give anyone's name to HR as they would be fired.....but going forward....I now had HR in my cell phone so I could immediately report the next person to do so.

It just completely blew my mind. I was used to running across someone who hated black people, white people, mexicans, ect in sporadic places at times.....it was literally every SOB there. Blacks hated the Mexicans, Mexicans hated the blacks, the whites hates both.....

But it also made me both acknowledge some shameful history, as well as being a bit insulted that due to me twanging a few words I was automatically a fellow racist to them.

LOL. That reminds me when Obama first got elected and this random white guy came up to me and smiled and said "We did it!" assuming I had voted as he had. I just smiled and kept walking. I didn't think it was right to ruin his cross-racial moment.

[jmdrake]

I've seen hands down more racism from Blacks towards everyone than anyone else, probably because they can actually get away with it.

Possible selection bias. As a white person you are less likely to see white on black racism. You can't personally experience it because you aren't black. And your black friends are less likely to confide in you about being the victims of it than your white friends are to confide in you about being the victims of what they feel is racism. And frankly, the real problem with racism is system level (i.e. police brutality). When you look at people's lands being stolen (even today in the 21st century), discriminatory prosecution (thank you Ron Paul for pointing that out way back in 2008), etc it's overwhelmingly white against black. Remember that black Somalian police officer that killed the white Australian tourist because he thought he heard a gunshot? He used the same "I was in fear of my life" argument used by the cop who murdered Philando Castille who was reaching for his wallet after telling the cop he was a gun permit holder. Philando's killer got off. The Somalian got convicted.

Yes blacks get away with telling racial jokes against whites more than the other way around. I remember when that wasn't the case though and I'm not that old. Back in the 1980s there were these joke books titled "Totally Tasteless Jokes." They had all kinds of sexual jokes, "pollock" jokes, anti Hispanic jokes and anti black jokes. They put a section in there that was supposedly anti white, but it wasn't anti anything and it really wasn't funny. White kids would come up to me with the book and say "I know you might find this joke offensive but..." I had a black friend (some might call him an "Oreo") who liked the joke book until I pointed out the double standard with regards to the white jokes. I remember the first time I heard a mainstream comedian really rag on white people. Some of us went to see "Eddie Murphy Raw." Eddie ragged on EVERYBODY! There were some white people in the audience that were lapping it up and laughing their heads of....until Eddie started talking about white people dancing. Then they were like "That's not funny." I think they left early but I don't remember. That was a long time ago.

Anyhow, everyone has his/her own perspective.

[Intoxiklown]

LOL. That reminds me when Obama first got elected and this random white guy came up to me and smiled and said "We did it!" assuming I had voted as he had. I just smiled and kept walking. I didn't think it was right to ruin his cross-racial moment.

hahahaha

My dad was in federal prison during the time Obama was first elected. He called the house on a Sunday to talk to my mother, but was talking to me first since I was there visiting. I asked him how he was doing, and I'll never forget him saying, "Not bad, son. Except I'm a bit worried how the next few weeks or months might play out since literally every single black inmate is 100% convinced that since Obama won the election, they are all getting pardoned and released". He would mess with them saying it was unfair, because he was banking on it being McCain, since that would have meant the white people would have been released, causing those inmates to say things along the lines of why would he believe something so stupid.....and he'd tell them, "Exactly"

[jmdrake]

hahahaha

My dad was in federal prison during the time Obama was first elected. He called the house on a Sunday to talk to my mother, but was talking to me first since I was there visiting. I asked him how he was doing, and I'll never forget him saying, "Not bad, son. Except I'm a bit worried how the next few weeks or months might play out since literally every single black inmate is 100% convinced that since Obama won the election, they are all getting pardoned and released". He would mess with them saying it was unfair, because he was banking on it being McCain, since that would have meant the white people would have been released, causing those inmates to say things along the lines of why would he believe something so stupid.....and he'd tell them, "Exactly"

LOL. And here's the irony. Some of the black prisoners got released early thanks to Trump.

[Intoxiklown]

While I wasn't of working age, I spent my first 10 years in New England, that's where I learned the word n***er...from all of my aunts and uncles in Southie(South Boston)where there were NO blacks(back then). They're all still racist as hell, especially now that their hometown is essentially all black now.

It's like this everywhere in the south(lived there '87-2016, 3 different states), and that's what everyone seems to ignore-it's everyone doing it to everyone, there is no KKK or white supremacists with any power whatsoever anymore down there, and I never met a single one. Come to think of it, there was much more racism towards whites than vice versa.

I've seen hands down more racism from Blacks towards everyone than anyone else, probably because they can actually get away with it.

As I said, while I've met pretty much any flavor you can think of in the racist pantry....I've never had any issues. Hell, when I DJ'ed at PT's Showclub in Memphis.....my brother in law was in disbelief about some of the neighborhoods I would go to. Because I would straight up bounce into the hood hoods. But I had met and became good friends with DJ Prince Paul from Triple Six Mafia, which evolved into me meeting upper echelon members of the Vice Lords there, So between those contacts, and me being that "crazy fucking white dude that rolls through the hood like he owns it" pretty much made it to where no one bothered me. Plus I would fuck back at someone fucking with me. LOL.....I had a guy ask me "wtf was some whitebread MF'er there and not getting his ass beat" and I told him straight up, "See.....that's why I just don't like *******....you're way too fucking racist." This was amplified in it's shock value as that was the first time my brother in law was with me (he was in the.....import business and looking for new wholesalers), so by messing with me....they were REALLY messing with him just to have fun at his expense. And then I made it way worse by giving it back, because we were probably the only two white within two miles.....and for all my sister's husband knew....I had just talked to some heavy hitters like we were on a plantation 200 years ago.....lol

[Anti Globalist]

Unfortunately there isn't going to be a civil war.

[TheTexan]

Unfortunately there isn't going to be a civil war.

Whats so civil about war anyway?

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

I know people talk about it a lot, but I'm very skeptical of some coming civil war. It's not impossible, but it would have to be preceded by some unprecedented tremendous calamity, like a complete economic collapse or a modern political assassination.

What we are seeing is the return of the Days of Rage, like in the 1970s. The major difference is that we don't have a demographic baseline and cultural baseline to return to, so in the long run it will probably be worse. But nonetheless, I'm betting the union will still be intact several decades down the line.

[Anti Federalist]

I know people talk about it a lot, but I'm very skeptical of some coming civil war. It's not impossible, but it would have to be preceded by some unprecedented tremendous calamity, like a complete economic collapse or a modern political assassination.

What we are seeing is the return of the Days of Rage, like in the 1970s. The major difference is that we don't have a demographic baseline and cultural baseline to return to, so in the long run it will probably be worse. But nonetheless, I'm betting the union will still be intact several decades down the line.

The thing I see that is different is that most of that was driven by draft resisters.

What's driving these morons today?

[pcosmar]

This is more of a phycological war. The mentally imbalanced border line insane trying to take over the country. This is not about racism they are coming at America with a full assault from every front.

There is an alleged Hoax work of literature that describes what is happening.
but that can't be because it was a hoax. or prophetic,,or a Plan.

(got talked into reading it once)

[UWDude]

my great grandfather had his house burned down by the klan, in Texas.

But it 2019. my biggest fear isnt white men in white robes, its white women in white dresses sitting down during the SOTU when Trump talks of record black employment, and then listening to their insane view on oppression, guns and hate speech.

[jmdrake]

Whats so civil about war anyway?

Guns and Roses' best song ever!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5is4NHH2AwE

[jmdrake]

The thing I see that is different is that most of that was driven by draft resisters.

What's driving these morons today?

Fear. Whether it's the Trump supporters who do mass shootings or the Bernie Sanders/Elizabeth Warren supporters who do mass shootings. They're all driven by fear.

[phill4paul]

LOL. That reminds me when Obama first got elected and this random white guy came up to me and smiled and said "We did it!" assuming I had voted as he had. I just smiled and kept walking. I didn't think it was right to ruin his cross-racial moment.

Mighty white of ya! :tears: <ducks>

[TheTexan]

my great grandfather had his house burned down by the klan, in Texas.

Do you know what city? My great grandfather was very active in the klan. Maybe they knew each other.

[Swordsmyth]

:rolleyes: So going against the KKK now equals sponsorship of hate? I tell you what hate is. Hate is the southern a$$holes who wiped multiple black towns off the face of the map in documented case after documented case of ethnic cleansing. Black people, living in their own communities, running their own businesses and thriving were wiped out repeatedly based on nothing but some phony rape allegation by some white woman. That history doesn't get told in public school or in most private schools either. I didn't even know about it myself until John Singleton's movie "Rosewood." It was the black slaves who were abandoned by the Republicans when Rutherford B. Hayes was elected president and withdrew all federal troops from the South. You want to be left alone AF? Guess what? We do too! But if there is a civil war and if some more white a$$holes try to come in and ethnically cleanse my community, some of them will leave in body bags. My great grandfather faced down the klan. He was a podiatrist in Birmingham Alabama in the early 1900s. His clinic had a plate glass window that opened to the street. Someone saw him working on a white woman's foot (a podiatrist is a foot doctor), thought it was some sort of sexual thing (ignorance isn't always bliss), and reported it to the klan. Only my great grandfather had a friend who was in the klan. (Every white person with any influence in Birmingham Alabama was in the klan in the early 1900s). That friend told my great grandfather who went and got himself deputized. (The sheriff, also a klan member, was my great grandfather's friend as well). He put word out on the street "They can come for me, but six of them won't go home alive." They never came. So those with the "civil war 2" fantasies remember this. Some in your ranks are going along with you for show, but don't really agree with you. Lastly, this is why blacks overwhelmingly vote democrat. It's the not so unjustified fear that white conservatives look fondly on the days of Jim Crowe as the "good old days." Self preservation trumps everything. I personally know blacks who actually like much of what Trump has done economically and especially the money he has directed to historically black colleges and universities and black farmers. It's Trump supporters they worry about.

Edit: One more thing. The democrats were pushing socialism LONG before the "abandoned southern whites" in 1964. It was racist democrat Woodrow Wilson who instituted the income tax and the federal reserve. And FDR instituted our biggest socialist programs, social security and medicare, back in the 1930s. He would have gone full state healthcare if he had been able to get away with it. Southern "conservative" whites love socialism as long as they are the ones primarily benefiting from it.
So all southern whites were KKK terrorist?

Check your black propaganda privilege.

[Swordsmyth]

Fear. Whether it's the Trump supporters who do mass shootings or the Bernie Sanders/Elizabeth Warren supporters who do mass shootings. They're all driven by fear.

How nice of you to swallow the propaganda that they were not false flags.

[phill4paul]

Meh, don't care about the color of your skin. If I've got a problem with you it is probably your political ideology. Or you're just an asshole or cunt. Or both.

[Swordsmyth]

Meh, don't care about the color of your skin. If I've got a problem with you it is probably your political ideology. Or you're just an $#@! or $#@!. Or both.
The left will make it about both.

[oyarde]

LOL. That reminds me when Obama first got elected and this random white guy came up to me and smiled and said "We did it!" assuming I had voted as he had. I just smiled and kept walking. I didn't think it was right to ruin his cross-racial moment.

You should have ruined his moment . I would have .

[Swordsmyth]

You should have ruined his moment . I would have .

That's because you are a great American.

[tod evans]

This goes here;


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isCh4kCeNYU

[Swordsmyth]

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1158459939980861440

1158459939980861440

[phill4paul]

The left will make it about both.

Was listening to an NPR interview on the way to work. Host talking with a young man. Brother of Andre Anchondo, who shielded his child, along with his wife, and both died in the effort. The child survived.
The NPR host steered him to talk about Trump. He said he'd like to meet with him personally. Said his family is conservative. They voted for him. NPR host kept trying to press him about Trumps past tweets/speeches, said I like Trump, he has done some good things. If you can help me talk to him, please do so.
Surprised that made it on NPR. There was a lot of blather and what the reporter "thought." But, still...interesting.

[Swordsmyth]

Was listening to an NPR interview on the way to work. Host talking with a young man. Brother of Andre Anchondo, who shielded his child, along with his wife, and both died in the effort. The child survived.
The NPR host steered him to talk about Trump. He said he'd like to meet with him personally. Said his family is conservative. They voted for him. NPR host kept trying to press him about Trumps past tweets/speeches, said I like Trump, he has done some good things. If you can help me talk to him, please do so.
Surprised that made it on NPR. There was a lot of blather and what the reporter "thought." But, still...interesting.
They make mistakes because they are arrogant.
And "minorities" that are conservative will be labeled uncle toms or whatever applies to their skin color when the fighting starts, that's why the left has been pushing that narrative for so long.

[phill4paul]

They make mistakes because they are arrogant.
And "minorities" that are conservative will be labeled uncle toms or whatever applies to their skin color when the fighting starts, that's why the left has been pushing that narrative for so long.

Well, he asked NPR to set him up with Trump. I don't think, given his "interview" they even tried. Oh, and NPR ambushed him at work. His dad refused to comment.

[jmdrake]

Mighty white of ya! :tears: <ducks>

LOL. "Give me some skin!"

[phill4paul]

LOL. "Give me some skin!"

Anytime. You're a good mensch. :D

[phill4paul]

The left will make it about both.

Assholes AND cunts? Yeah, there's plenty out there.

[UWDude]

The Democratic Socialists are terrifying, just watch this video and see what I mean, these people are ready for war.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s04O8b-n5BA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s04O8b-n5BA

[Swordsmyth]

The Democratic Socialists are terrifying, just watch this video and see what I mean, these people are ready for war.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s04O8b-n5BA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s04O8b-n5BA
That's why they want to import millions of barbarians to do their fighting for them.

[Occam's Banana]

The Democratic Socialists are terrifying, just watch this video and see what I mean, these people are ready for war.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s04O8b-n5BA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s04O8b-n5BA

The revolution has been cancelled due to our working group being incredibly stressed out and possibly on the verge of tears ...

[Danke]

The Democratic Socialists are terrifying, just watch this video and see what I mean, these people are ready for war.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s04O8b-n5BA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s04O8b-n5BA


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[A Son of Liberty]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr1yzKoKazo

[Swordsmyth]

https://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Antifa-tactics.png

[AngryCanadian]

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wow Democratics/Leftists in America completely insane.