Active Shooter: Gilroy, CA

[Pauls' Revere]

https://time.com/5637371/shooting-gilroy-garlic-festival/

Active shooter at the Gilroy Garlic Festival. Situation still unfolding. (7) ppl down, (4) medi-vac called in.

[Anti Federalist]

Not even safe at a Garlic Festival...:rolleyes:

[shakey1]

That, in the land of the self-disarmed... go figure :confused:

[Brian4Liberty]

I’m safe.

Pretty sure that the shooter was a white nationalist Trump supporter wearing a MAGA hat that was most definitely not taking any big pharma drugs.

[Danke]

Donnay won't acknowledge this, but this is one of the side effects of too much garlic consumption.

[Pauls' Revere]

The Gilroy Police Department on its Twitter account issued a statement saying: “The hearts of Gilroy PD and entire community go out to the victims of today’s shooting at the Garlic Festival. The scene is still active. If you are looking for a loved one, please go to the reunification center at Gavilan College at parking lot B.”

President Donald Trump tweeted about the shooting Sunday night. “Law Enforcement is at the scene of shootings in Gilroy, California. Reports are that shooter has not yet been apprehended. Be careful and safe!” he wrote.

https://time.com/5637371/shooting-gilroy-garlic-festival/

[Pauls' Revere]

3 dead
12 injured.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/shooting-reported-california-garlic-festival-020539550.html

[Brian4Liberty]

The Gilroy Police Department on its Twitter account issued a statement saying: “The hearts of Gilroy PD and entire community go out to the victims of today’s shooting at the Garlic Festival. The scene is still active. If you are looking for a loved one, please go to the reunification center at Gavilan College at parking lot B.”

President Donald Trump tweeted about the shooting Sunday night. “Law Enforcement is at the scene of shootings in Gilroy, California. Reports are that shooter has not yet been apprehended. Be careful and safe!” he wrote.

https://time.com/5637371/shooting-gilroy-garlic-festival/

Shelter in place. They are looking for the infamous and elusive “second shooter”.

[Pauls' Revere]

Shelter in place. They are looking for the infamous and elusive “second shooter”.

I'm good, I'm at home. This is about 40 miles from me.

[Brian4Liberty]

Super reliable witness on super honest CNN is saying that there were three shooters with machine guns.

[Brian4Liberty]

I'm good, I'm at home. This is about 40 miles from me.

So am I, but I am being extra cautious and hiding under my bed.

[Pauls' Revere]

So am I, but I am being extra cautious and hiding under my bed.

I built a blanket fort. Let's see them get past me!

[Pauls' Revere]

Meanwhile...Boko Haram kills 60 in Nigeria at a funeral.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2019/07/28/nigeria-suspected-boko-haram-extremist-attack-kills-60-maiduguri/1853053001/

[Swordsmyth]

Donnay won't acknowledge this, but this is one of the side effects of too much garlic consumption.
I think it's clearly a case of the kind of people who would go to a garlic festival:

https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse2.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP. fPME5y0vdlfEUXNgg-cRmgHaKM%26pid%3DApi&f=1

[Brian4Liberty]

News conference on now. One shooter, killed by officers almost immediately. 3 killed in addition to shooter.

Still looking for other suspects based upon witness hysteria, er, reports.

[Brian4Liberty]

Reporters asking questions which would indicate room temperature IQs (with A/C on high).

[Anti Federalist]

Fake news...weapons of any kind were prohibited at the Gilroy Garlic Festival.


Christmas Hill Park rules prohibit bringing the following items on Festival grounds:

Pocketknives and weapons of any kind.

https://gilroygarlicfestival.com/about/faq/

[Swordsmyth]

Fake news...weapons of any kind were prohibited at the Gilroy Garlic Festival.



https://gilroygarlicfestival.com/about/faq/
What about violins?

[fedupinmo]

What about violins?

Is it OK to have sax?

[Anti Globalist]

Lemme guess, the shooting happened in a gun free zone.

[TheTexan]

Please pray with me for the brave Officers during this trying time.

[Anti Globalist]

Please pray with me for the brave Officers during this trying time.
Make sure you put your flag at half mast today.

[TheTexan]

Any reports yet on what weapons and/or accessories we should be banning?

[PAF]

Any reports yet on what weapons and/or accessories we should be banning?

Ask Iowa Senator Claire Celsi, she might be able to give you a heads up. This was from 2 weeks ago:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_GrUYGu8dA

[Danke]

Fake news...weapons of any kind were prohibited at the Gilroy Garlic Festival.



https://gilroygarlicfestival.com/about/faq/

People attending the festival must pass through metal detectors and security before getting into the park.
The suspect entered the festival by cutting through a fence, officials said.

[devil21]

Any major gun control bills up for a vote in CA legislature in the next few days?

[tod evans]

People attending the festival must pass through metal detectors and security before getting into the park.
The suspect entered the festival by cutting through a fence, officials said.

Ban wirecutters!

[TheTexan]

This just in... the shooter was Iranian.

Clearly this was an act of war and we must now invade Iran.

[Anti Federalist]

People attending the festival must pass through metal detectors and security before getting into the park.
The suspect entered the festival by cutting through a fence, officials said.

A free fire shooting lane then?

[Anti Federalist]

Meanwhile:

Five Shot Dead Saturday Through Sunday in Democrat-Controlled Baltimore (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/07/29/five-shot-dead-saturday-through-sunday-in-democrat-controlled-baltimore/)

[Brian4Liberty]

I’m safe.

Pretty sure that the shooter was a white nationalist Trump supporter wearing a MAGA hat that was most definitely not taking any big pharma drugs.

Ugh. It’s going to be just about as bad as that (except they will never admit that he was on prescription meds).

It’s a Democrat wet dream...


Legan also posted about a fringe white supremacist book written in 1890. Noted indivualist anarchist, revisionist historian and Holocaust denier James J. Martin called, the book, “…one of the most incendiary works ever to be published anywhere.” Legan quoted from the book in a post accompanied by a Smokey the Bear sign about fire danger. He wrote: “Read Might Is Right by Ragnar Redbeard. Why overcrowd towns and pave more open space to make room for hordes of mestizos and Silicon Valley white twats?”

[Brian4Liberty]

I think it's clearly a case of the kind of people who would go to a garlic festival:

https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse2.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP. fPME5y0vdlfEUXNgg-cRmgHaKM%26pid%3DApi&f=1


His name was “Santino”. Claims Italian/Iranian heritage.

[dannno]

People attending the festival must pass through metal detectors and security before getting into the park.
The suspect entered the festival by cutting through a fence, officials said.

Wow, that seems excessive for a garlic festival.. I go to lemon festivals, avocado festivals, solstice festivals.. Californians love their festivals, and they are almost never fenced in unless it's a beer festival.. and that's just because of the age restrictions. I've never been through a metal detector unless I'm at an airport or a couple times maybe at an extremely large concert venue.

[Anti Federalist]

4. Legan Was Shot by Police Just Minutes After the First Shots Rang Out, Sending Panicked Festivalgoers Racing Toward Exits & Into Hiding (https://heavy.com/news/2019/07/santino-william-legan/)

When seconds count, cops are only minutes away.

[devil21]

I'm calling drill. ymmv

[Brian4Liberty]

4. Legan Was Shot by Police Just Minutes After the First Shots Rang Out, Sending Panicked Festivalgoers Racing Toward Exits & Into Hiding (https://heavy.com/news/2019/07/santino-william-legan/)

When seconds count, cops are only minutes away.

Despite all of the futile hut-hutting after the fact looking for additional shooters, I have to say “thank you” to first cops that got there and got him. Saved lives, and spared us all from a long, highly publicized, expensive trial where they would eventually find him mentally unfit and institutionalize him for a while.

[Brian4Liberty]

Let the orgy begin. Spontaneous orgasms occurring throughout the Democrat left.


GILROY GUNMAN CITED WHITE SUPREMACIST MANIFESTO ON INSTAGRAM JUST BEFORE SHOOTING
...
https://www.newsweek.com/gilroy-shooter-white-supremacist-manifesto-instagram-1451586

[Brian4Liberty]

Any reports yet on what weapons and/or accessories we should be banning?

Local news saying it was an SKS purchased 3 weeks ago in Nevada. Luckily he made a poor choice in weapons.

[TheCount]

Ugh. It’s going to be just about as bad as that (except they will never admit that he was on prescription meds).

It’s a Democrat wet dream...

Reads like a post from the political philosophy subforum circa 2016.

[Anti Federalist]

Despite all of the futile hut-hutting after the fact looking for additional shooters, I have to say “thank you” to first cops that got there and got him. Saved lives, and spared us all from a long, highly publicized, expensive trial where they would eventually find him mentally unfit and institutionalize him for a while.

Well, there is that...

[Anti Federalist]

Let the orgy begin. Spontaneous orgasms occurring throughout the Democrat left.

Don't even care anymore...they'd play it out no matter what.

And if the guy was, without a question, a leftist loon, they'd just bury it.

But you guys in Cali are fucked...I suspect house to house weapons confiscations are not too far in your future.

[donnay]

Donnay won't acknowledge this, but this is one of the side effects of too much garlic consumption.

Only if you're a vampire. :p

[TheTexan]

Local news saying it was an SKS purchased 3 weeks ago in Nevada. Luckily he made a poor choice in weapons.

If it was an American rifle he certainly would have been able to kill more than 3 people at a festival.

[Brian4Liberty]

If it was an American rifle he certainly would have been able to kill more than 3 people at a festival.

Struggling with a stripper clip in the heat of battle leads to a 9mm or .40 to the brain pan. Thank you, Police!

[Brian4Liberty]

Local news saying it was an SKS purchased 3 weeks ago in Nevada. Luckily he made a poor choice in weapons.


Struggling with a stripper clip in the heat of battle leads to a 9mm or .40 to the brain pan. Thank you, Police!

Never mind. Now they are saying it was a WASR-10, not an SKS. They never get the facts straight.


Gilroy Police Chief Scott Smithee said Legan purchased a “SKS …an AK47-style” assault rifle legally in Nevada earlier this month. But it turns out the gun was not a SKS, a Soviet-made weapon, or an AK. It was an WASR-10 semiautomatic rifle. He purchased it on July 9 at Big Mike’s Guns & Ammo in Fallon, Nevada. Legan has a relative who lives in Fallon, it was reported.

And while it was a legal purchase there, Legan violated California’s ban on assault weapons when he brought it into the state, the Chronicle reported, citing federal law officials.
...
https://heavy.com/news/2019/07/santino-william-legan-wasr-rifle-banned-california/

[AngryCanadian]

Apparently according to the Rumors the shooter was an Iranian/Italian.

[AngryCanadian]

Let the orgy begin. Spontaneous orgasms occurring throughout the Democrat left.

Well the rumors i have seen on the social media is that if he indeed cited white supremacist MANIFESTO ON INSTAGRAM JUST BEFORE SHOOTING why did he on his twitter page say that his an Italian/Iranian person?

[TheCount]

Well the rumors i have seen on the social media is that if he indeed cited white supremacist MANIFESTO ON INSTAGRAM JUST BEFORE SHOOTING why did he on his twitter page say that his an Italian/Iranian person?

Because whiteness is a social fiction, it's entirely in the mind of its believers. He very well could have both considered himself to be Italian/Iranian and white.

[Swordsmyth]

His name was “Santino”. Claims Italian/Iranian heritage.

It was a GARLIC festival, now all we need to know is who the targets were.

[dannno]

Because whiteness is a social fiction, it's entirely in the mind of its believers. He very well could have both considered himself to be Italian/Iranian and white.

A young person in 2019 with only a few social media posts in their entire history, posting about white supremacy on said social media right before they shoot up a public event, is also a social fiction.

[Swordsmyth]

Let the orgy begin. Spontaneous orgasms occurring throughout the Democrat left.

GILROY GUNMAN CITED WHITE SUPREMACIST MANIFESTO ON INSTAGRAM JUST BEFORE SHOOTING
...
https://www.newsweek.com/gilroy-shoo...tagram-1451586 (https://www.newsweek.com/gilroy-shooter-white-supremacist-manifesto-instagram-1451586)

Naturally, you don't think they would run a false flag without that, do you?

[Swordsmyth]

Wow, that seems excessive for a garlic festival.. I go to lemon festivals, avocado festivals, solstice festivals.. Californians love their festivals, and they are almost never fenced in unless it's a beer festival.. and that's just because of the age restrictions. I've never been through a metal detector unless I'm at an airport or a couple times maybe at an extremely large concert venue.
They probably have them at Italian Opera festivals too.

[Swordsmyth]

Any major gun control bills up for a vote in CA legislature in the next few days?
There will be now.

[Swordsmyth]

The shooter who killed three people and wounded at least 11 more has been identified as Santino Willian Legan, a described Iranian American.
Legan had an Instagram account on which he shared only three photos. One of the photos depicted Ali Asghar Vahabzadeh, Legan’s maternal grandfather.
https://i1.wp.com/lauraloomer.us/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/0-2-1.jpg?w=640&ssl=1 An Iranian source told LauraLoomer.us that anybody who idolizes Ali Asghar – Legan’s grandfather’s namesake – would view themselves as a Shia zealot to Islam.


More at: https://lauraloomer.us/2019/07/29/breaking-gilroy-shooter-identified-as-iranian-america-with-islamic-imagery-on-instagram/#.XT9Ch42otQA

[TheCount]

A young person in 2019 with only a few social media posts in their entire history, posting about white supremacy on said social media right before they shoot up a public event, is also a social fiction.

Sounds familiar.

[TheCount]

The shooter who killed three people and wounded at least 11 more has been identified as Santino Willian Legan, a described Iranian American.

Legan had an Instagram account on which he shared only three photos. One of the photos depicted Ali Asghar Vahabzadeh, Legan’s maternal grandfather.

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2019/07/29/USAT/526f7f1a-1d22-4f2f-9841-255146ab85ad-yearbook_photo_of_Santino_William_Legan.jpg

[shakey1]

A garlic festival?... kinda unusual all in all.

[Zippyjuan]

Never mind. Now they are saying it was a WASR-10, not an SKS. They never get the facts straight.

For those who don't know about the weapon:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZc-yLYt4Uk

[Swordsmyth]

People attending the festival must pass through metal detectors and security before getting into the park.
The suspect entered the festival by cutting through a fence, officials said.
It sounds like they are responsible for disarming their patrons and then failing to protect them.

There should be lawsuits by gun owners who were there.

[AngryCanadian]

For those who don't know about the weapon:


https://www.youtube.com/wAatch?v=UZc-yLYt4Uk
Anyone with the right knowledge at the black markets can buy Ak47s most standards ones to. Even if the guns are banned eventually they will end up at the black market. Whose stopping the black markets?

[AngryCanadian]

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2019/07/29/USAT/526f7f1a-1d22-4f2f-9841-255146ab85ad-yearbook_photo_of_Santino_William_Legan.jpg

Was Legan radicalized at some point to turn out the way he did at the garlic festival? makes you think hmm.

[TheCount]

Was Legan radicalized at some point to turn out the way he did at the garlic festival? makes you think hmm.

According to Legan, yes.

[Zippyjuan]

Only liberals are violent. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?536981-91-of-Democrats-see-violence-next-in-war-of-words&highlight=violence

[Brian4Liberty]

Meanwhile...Boko Haram kills 60 in Nigeria at a funeral.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2019/07/28/nigeria-suspected-boko-haram-extremist-attack-kills-60-maiduguri/1853053001/


Meanwhile:

Five Shot Dead Saturday Through Sunday in Democrat-Controlled Baltimore (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/07/29/five-shot-dead-saturday-through-sunday-in-democrat-controlled-baltimore/)

Yep. More shot dead with already illegal guns in many American cities on any given weekend. Never mind. Move along, nothing to see here. If you even mention it, you are a racist.

[Brian4Liberty]

A Gilroy High employee, though, said Legan had a history of conflict.

Speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk to the media, the employee said Legan "was a problem kid" who defied authority, smarted off to teachers and picked verbal fights with other students. He also had a spotty attendance record, the educator said.

"When he chose to come to campus, he was difficult to manage," the employee said. "He would want to have his way and things on his own terms."

Gilroy Unified Schools district had no comment on Legan's school record.

According to a property manager in Walker Lake, Legan moved into an apartment there in April. He paid one month's rent, but moved out in the middle of the night a few days later. The apartment looked untouched, the property manager said, adding Legan had indicated the location was too remote.

"He was used to internet that works, bars, restaurants," the property manager said, "but here there's no such thing."
...
https://www.nbc-2.com/story/40847310/festival-shooter-santino-legan-legally-purchased-his-rifle-in-nevada-heres-what-else-we-know-about-the-teen

Supposedly moved to the middle of nowhere by himself. Strange. Was it a ploy to have a Nevada address so he could purchase a gun in Nevada? Did he move because he was having mental issues? What drug prescriptions did he have?

[brushfire]

Only liberals are violent.

This is not true at all, but it certainly is disgusting how quickly both sides jump to politicize such events.

For the liberals it has become part of their standard playbook to help facilitate gun confiscation. The liberal media are on board too, as they do their best to capitalize on the sensationalism - knowing full well they contribute to the increase in incidence. Meanwhile, if ever there is a gun used in defense or stopping of a mass shooting/crime, they cant be bothered with covering that during "primtime".

The conservatives on the other hand, having been subject to the nonsense by the liberals and their media dominance, have a counter. Its a childish game that ignores the real issues, and is just used to promote or defend an agenda.

Meanwhile, there's a whole different way to cover these events - the formula was proven in the reduction of teen suicides in the late 80's and very early 90's. This is well known and covered in an official report by the CDC. Despite this knowledge, the media and their liberal backing hope to increase incidents so as to not allow a good crisis go to waste. It precisely why the media spends such little time speaking to the dozens of people shot in Chicago every weekend - Chicago being very hostile to gun owners rights, having implemented many of the "common sense gun laws" advocated by liberals, yet still experiencing the highest gun violence per capita in the USA.

[timosman]

What drug prescriptions did he have?

Sorry, we need to interrupt now for a word from our sponsors. :tears:

[devil21]

Santino William Legan sure sounds like an Iranian name to me.

It definitely does not sound like a latino Catholic name though.

And it definitely does not translate to "Bequeath The Orphans To Catholic Saint William" either.

[Zippyjuan]

Santino Legan sure sounds like an Iranian name to me.

It definitely does not sound like a latino Catholic name though.

And it definitely does not translate to "Bequeath The Orphans To Catholic Saint William" either.

From one source:

https://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Legan


Last name: Legan

SDB Popularity ranking: 18734

This interesting and unusual name is one of the diminutive forms of the surname "Legg(e)", which is found mainly in the southern counties of England, particularly Devonshire. The name derives from the Middle English "legg", leg, a development of the Old Norse "leggr", which was used as a personal name as well as a nickname or byname for someone with particularly long legs, or perhaps with some peculiarity of the leg or legs. The modern surnames Leggin, Leggan, Leggen, Leggon, Legan, Legen Legin, and Legon are variant forms of the diminutive "Legg-inig", meaning "little Legg(e)". The development of the name includes: Ann Legion (1593, Essex), Margaret Legen (1611, Devonshire), Barbara Leggin (1654, London) and Richard Leggen (1687, Devonshire). The marriage of John Legon and Elizabeth Mason was recorded at St. George's, Mayfair, London, on May 15th 1753. The first recorded spelling of the family name is shown to be that of Elizabeth Legens (christening), which was dated January 30th 1565, in St. Mary's, Whitechapel, London, during the reign of Queen Elizabeth 1, known as "Good Queen Bess", 1558 - 1603. Surnames became necessary when governments introduced personal taxation. In England this was known as Poll Tax. Throughout the centuries, surnames in every country have continued to "develop" often leading to astonishing variants of the original spelling.



Yet another:

https://actacroatica.com/en/surname/Legan/


Surname Legan.

Surname Legan in modern Croatia

In Croatia, Legan families are predominantly Croats (from Zapresic area ), rarely Italians (from Rijeka ), and very rarely Slovenes (from Biograd na moru ). In the past century, relatively most of Croatian residents bearing this family name were born in Zapresic area and in Zagreb.

Prevalence

About 30 people with faimily name Legan live in Croatia today, in 12 households. There were 30 of them in the middle of the past century, and their number remains constant.
They are located in only five naselja i to in Zagreb (<10), Rijeka (<10), in Senkovec (<5) and Donji Laduc (<5) in Zapresic area, and in Biograd na moru (<5).

Outside Croatia


Family name Legan (including: Leegan , Leghan and Leghman ) is present in 29 countries worldwide. The family name "Legan " is used by some 1000 people in the United States , about 500 in Poland , and some 200 people in Russian Federation. "Leegan " is used by some 70 people in the United States. "Leghan " is used by few people in the United States.

[Brian4Liberty]

Sorry, we need to interrupt now for a word from our sponsors. :tears:

Exactly. The nation and our media are run by special interests.

There is no way this killer thought that he was getting out of this alive. He committed suicide, and decided to take others with him. Pretty consistent with adverse reactions to SSRIs.

But sweep that under the rug and blame guns instead.

Interesting that in the local media they have gotten details about the personal lives of the 3 murder victims, but nothing about the killer.

[Zippyjuan]

Exactly. The nation and our media are run by special interests.

There is no way this killer thought that he was getting out of this alive. He committed suicide, and decided to take others with him. Pretty consistent with adverse reactions to SSRIs.

But sweep that under the rug and blame guns instead.

Interesting that in the local media they have gotten details about the personal lives of the 3 murder victims, but nothing about the killer.

Should they have ready access to everybody's medical records? Do we know the medical history of the victims? "It had to be drugs!"

[Anti Federalist]

Gov. Newsom: 2nd Amendment Doesn’t Protect ‘Weapons of Goddamned Mass Destruction’

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/07/30/gov-newsom-2nd-amendment-doesnt-protect-weapons-god-mned-mass-destruction/

AWR HAWKINS 30 Jul 2019

California Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) spoke about the Gilroy Garlic Festival shooting Monday and claimed that the Second Amendment does not protect “weapons of Goddamned mass destruction.”

Newsom’s statement was in relation to one of two guns the Garlic Festival attacker legally purchased in Nevada.

The Los Angeles Times quoted Newsom saying, “You can’t put borders up, speaking of borders, to a neighboring state where you can buy this damn stuff legally. How in the hell is that possible? I have no problem with the 2nd Amendment, you have a right to bear arms but not weapons of [god–mned] mass destruction.”

(Who the hell says you can't. I'm all for a California border wall. Lock all you fucking commies up, safe and sound and out of the rest of our hair. Right thinking folks will have 30 days to evacuate but you will never have voting rights again as long as your natural lifetimes. - AF)

Breitbart News reported that police believe the gunman lived in Nevada for a time with family, and that is where he legally purchased two guns. One of the guns was a rifle the described as an “AK Variant,” according to LA Times, the other was a 12 gauge pump shotgun. The San Francisco Chronicle reported that firearms such as the shotgun “are permitted in California.”

Because both firearms were purchased “legally” from gun stores, the gunman would have undergone FBI background checks to acquire them.

This is important because Newsom also brought up background checks, saying, “California’s doing its part, but Jesus, these guys, the folks in the White House have been supporting the kinds of policies that roll back the work that we’re doing in states like ours to get rid of large capacity magazines, to address the issues that we’re trying to advance on background checks.”

Newsom did not mention that Gilroy Garlic Festival was a self-declared gun-free zone. In such a zone a criminal with any firearm has every advantage over the crowds of unarmed people.

[Brian4Liberty]

Should they have ready access to everybody's medical records? Do we know the medical history of the victims? "It had to be drugs!"

Considering how almost every single case like this does include the drugs, it's a prediction based upon experience, Einstein.

And guess what? When you are a mass murderer your medical records are no longer private. It's a completely valid reason for warrants and examination.

[Zippyjuan]

Considering how almost every single case like this does include the drugs, it's an prediction based upon experience, Einstein.

And guess what? When you are a mass murderer your medical records are no longer private. It's a completely valid reason for warrants and examination.

Every case involves guns but you say not to blame them. But why can't we blame the person for choosing to try to kill people? Millions own guns and don't shoot anybody. Millions take medications and don't kill anybody.

There always seems to be the claim that shooters are on SSRIs but I haven't investigated just how many times that is actually the case and not just internet rumor.

[Brian4Liberty]

Gov. Newsom: 2nd Amendment Doesn’t Protect ‘Weapons of Goddamned Mass Destruction’

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/07/30/gov-newsom-2nd-amendment-doesnt-protect-weapons-god-mned-mass-destruction/

AWR HAWKINS 30 Jul 2019

California Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) spoke about the Gilroy Garlic Festival shooting Monday and claimed that the Second Amendment does not protect “weapons of Goddamned mass destruction.”

Newsom’s statement was in relation to one of two guns the Garlic Festival attacker legally purchased in Nevada.

The Los Angeles Times quoted Newsom saying, “You can’t put borders up, speaking of borders, to a neighboring state where you can buy this damn stuff legally. How in the hell is that possible? I have no problem with the 2nd Amendment, you have a right to bear arms but not weapons of [god–mned] mass destruction.”

(Who the hell says you can't. I'm all for a California border wall. Lock all you fucking commies up, safe and sound and out of the rest of our hair. Right thinking folks will have 30 days to evacuate but you will never have voting rights again as long as your natural lifetimes. - AF)

Breitbart News reported that police believe the gunman lived in Nevada for a time with family, and that is where he legally purchased two guns. One of the guns was a rifle the described as an “AK Variant,” according to LA Times, the other was a 12 gauge pump shotgun. The San Francisco Chronicle reported that firearms such as the shotgun “are permitted in California.”

Because both firearms were purchased “legally” from gun stores, the gunman would have undergone FBI background checks to acquire them.

This is important because Newsom also brought up background checks, saying, “California’s doing its part, but Jesus, these guys, the folks in the White House have been supporting the kinds of policies that roll back the work that we’re doing in states like ours to get rid of large capacity magazines, to address the issues that we’re trying to advance on background checks.”

Newsom did not mention that Gilroy Garlic Festival was a self-declared gun-free zone. In such a zone a criminal with any firearm has every advantage over the crowds of unarmed people.

Newsom is a lying sack of shit. Send him back.

This guy could have killed more people with a knife.

[Brian4Liberty]

Every case involves guns but you say not to blame them. But why can't we blame the person for choosing to try to kill people? Millions own guns and don't shoot anybody. Millions take medications and don't kill anybody.

A gun is a tool. There is no cause and effect. On the other hand there is a known cause and effect with the drugs.

[Zippyjuan]

A gun is a tool. There is no cause and effect. On the other hand there is a known cause and effect with the drugs.

So everybody taking those medications ends up killing somebody.

[Anti Federalist]

So everybody taking those medications ends up killing somebody.

No, but the listed, confirmed, medically proven fact is that these drugs, especially when not taken properly or ceased abruptly cause a sharp uptick in suicidal/homicidal thoughts and actions in the individuals taking them.

Prescription For Violence: The Corresponding Rise of Antidepressants, SSRIs & Mass Shootings

https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/prescription-for-violence-the-corresponding-rise-of-antidepressants-ssris-mass-shootings/

[Anti Federalist]

Newsom is a lying sack of shit. Send him back.

This guy could have killed more people with a knife.

First come first served, my spare bedroom in NH until you get situated.

[Anti Federalist]

Every case involves guns but you say not to blame them.


to a neighboring state where you can buy this damn stuff legally. How in the hell is that possible?

Guns are clearly to blame, they are weapons of mass destruction.

I think California needs to set up checkpoints at every point of entry, and every single person coming into California by foot, by car, by ship, by plane, by train, should be subject to a full and thorough search for contraband weapons.

Unless you're crossing the Mexican border...then that would be racist of course, so forgot about that.

[Zippyjuan]

No, but the listed, confirmed, medically proven fact is that these drugs, especially when not taken properly or ceased abruptly cause a sharp uptick in suicidal/homicidal thoughts and actions in the individuals taking them.

Prescription For Violence: The Corresponding Rise of Antidepressants, SSRIs & Mass Shootings

https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/prescription-for-violence-the-corresponding-rise-of-antidepressants-ssris-mass-shootings/

What is the cause and effect? Were they given such drugs because they were unstable mentally and at risk of harming themselves or others? Or were they perfectly sane, normal people forced to take them and turned into killing machines? What percent of people on such medicines become killers?


The Corresponding Rise of Antidepressants, SSRIs & Mass Shootings

Correlation is not necessarily causation. People are eating more organic foods these days. Are organic foods causing more mass shootings? Are mass shootings really rising or are we just hearing more about them?



https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/10/04/mass-shootings-more-deadly-frequent-research-215678


Mass Shootings Are Getting Deadlier, Not More Frequent

Data show that mass public shootings are roughly as common now as they were in the 1980s and ’90s. What has changed? The death toll.

There is, by now, a familiar script to it all: A mass public shooting, followed by waves of grief and outrage, then calls for gun control on the one hand and harrumphing about politicizing tragedies on the other. The news stories and statements by political leaders write themselves, with only the location, name of the shooter and number of casualties changing. It all seems so routine.

But this perception isn’t because of some unprecedented rise in the rate of mass public shootings—far from it. They’re roughly as common now as they were in the 1980s and ’90s. And the data offer a stark finding: Over the past decade, mass public shootings haven’t become particularly more prevalent, they’ve simply become deadlier.

A mass public shooting, as I’ve defined it in my research, is any incident in which four or more victims are killed with a firearm within a 24-hour period at a public location in the absence of other criminal activity (robberies, drug deals, gang “turf wars”), military conflict or collective violence. For instance, last year’s mass murder at the Pulse nightclub in Orlando would qualify, but the 1890 massacre at Wounded Knee would not, nor would a familicide in a private home, nor a shootout between rival gangs.

Within these boundaries, there have been 140 mass public shootings in the United States since 1976 (the rest have been mostly familicides and felony-related massacres), which amounts to an average of a little more than three per year. When we’re looking at trends in the incidence and severity of mass public shootings over time, it’s necessary—just as it is with other types of crime—to adjust for changes in the size of the U.S. population.

For example, we had roughly the same raw number of murders in the U.S. in 2011 (14,612) as in 1969 (14,760). But because there were 110 million more Americans in 2011, the 1969 murder rate per 100,000 residents was 7.3, about 55 percent higher than the 2011 rate (4.7). Due to the rarity of mass public shootings, I’ve calculated the rates per 100 million in the U.S. population. (And, to help clarify the direction of trends over time, the black lines in the graphs below represent a five-year moving average.)

https://static.politico.com/dims4/default/9c87ea3/2147483647/resize/658x%3C/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.politico.com%2Fa4%2F0a%2 Ff720b9af43938f84324fe8cdeaa0%2Fshooting-rate.jpg

https://static.politico.com/dims4/default/17352b3/2147483647/resize/658x%3C/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.politico.com%2F7d%2Ff8%2 F5ac7e7c943aa9110044d245c9349%2Fscreen-shot-2017-10-04-at-11.45.56-AM.jpg



More at link.

[Anti Federalist]

What is the cause and effect? Were they given such drugs because they were unstable mentally and at risk of harming themselves or others? Or were they perfectly sane, normal people forced to take them and turned into killing machines? What percent of people on such medicines become killers?

No, these drugs are not usually given to "unstable" people, they are given to relatively sane people with varying levels of "depression".

Rapid cessation of these drugs has been medically proved to cause a demonstrable increase in suicidal and homicidal thoughts and actions, in what were, nominally, mild mannered "sane" people.

By the way, I agree fully with the rest of your post: mass killings have not spiked in any meaningful way.

Statistics showing that they have, usually are the result of re-defining what a "mass killing" is.

[Anti Federalist]

Rosanna Arquette: ‘All the Shooters in America Have Been White terrorists. The End’

https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2019/07/30/rosanna-arquette-all-the-shooters-in-america-have-been-white-terrorists-the-end/

AWR HAWKINS 30 Jul 2019

Actress Rosanna Arquette responded to the Gilroy Garlic Festival shooting by falsely claiming that all shooters in the United States have been “white terrorists.”

“All of the shooters in America have been White males. White terrorists . The end.” she said.

Rosanna Arquette
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All of the shooters in America have been White males. White terrorists . The end.

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Arquette’s claim is demonstrably false, and one only has to go back as recently as the May 31, 2019, Virginia Beach shooting to prove it.

Here are some other high-profile shootings or mass shooting incidents that also disprove Arquette’s claim:

Henry Pratt Company shooting (February 15, 2019)
Rite Aide Warehouse shooting (September 20, 2018)
Downtown Fresno, California shooting (April 18, 2017)
Shooting of Baton Rouge Police (July 17, 2016)
Dallas Police Ambush (July 7, 2016)
DC Navy Yard shooting (September 16, 2013)
Hartford Beer Distributor shooting (August 3, 2010)
Coffee Shop Police shooting (November 29, 2009)
Kirkland City Council shooting (February 7, 2008)

The problem with claims like Arquette’s is that the race of mass shooters has not been monolithic. Just as the types of types of guns used in such shootings vary — from handguns predominately to rifles and shotguns, too — so too is that the race of a given attacker is not necessarily the same as the attacker before him.

One thing that is quite common among attackers is the fact that they tend to strike places where their victims cannot shoot back.

On November 20, 2018, Breitbart News reported a Crime Prevention Research Center study showing that 97.8 percent of mass public attacks between 1950 and May 2018 occurred in gun-free zones. That is the great common thread among mass shooters, and it has nothing to do with race.

[Anti Federalist]

Rosanna Arquette: ‘All the Shooters in America Have Been White terrorists. The End’

Murder victims per 100,000 people:

Whites: 4.5

Blacks 27.8

Murder offenders per 100,000 people:

Whites: 4.5

Blacks: 34.4

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

[Anti Globalist]

Newsom is a lying sack of $#@!. Send him back.

This guy could have killed more people with a knife.
I don't remember if this was in the US, but I remember a story from a few years ago about someone who brought a knife to school and killed somewhere between 5-7 people.

[Brian4Liberty]

So everybody taking those medications ends up killing somebody.

Grasping at straws, eh?

[Zippyjuan]

Murder victims per 100,000 people:

Whites: 4.5

Blacks 27.8

Murder offenders per 100,000 people:

Whites: 4.5

Blacks: 34.4

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

Most people murdered are killed by either a family member or somebody they know (murders are not necessarily mass shootings or even necessarily shootings).

Most mass shootings are people getting back at somebody they perceive they have a grievance with- schools, workplaces, gangs.

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

I've been to the Garlic Festival, and even contemplated going there this year, but didn't in the end. It's a good time, but yes, people are systematically disarmed before entering. That's about it for security, as I recall. A bunch of women manning metal detectors, mostly just security theater.

[Swordsmyth]

https://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/mason3.png

[Zippyjuan]

https://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/mason3.png

In case you thought that was a Masonic symbol, it isn't. It is a logo for Canelo Alverez clothing. He is a Mexican boxer.

https://caneloteam.com/

https://caneloteam.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/canelowhite.png

[Swordsmyth]

In case you thought that was a Masonic symbol, it isn't. It is a logo for Canelo Alverez clothing. He is a Mexican boxer.

https://caneloteam.com/

https://caneloteam.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/canelowhite.png
And we are just supposed to believe that they didn't incorporate a masonic symbol in their logo?

:tears:

[TheCount]

And we are just supposed to believe that they didn't incorporate a masonic symbol in their logo?

:tears:

You broke the code. MMA fighters are the real illuminati.

[Swordsmyth]

You broke the code. MMA fighters are the real illuminati.
You think that that one corner of the entertainment industry is pure and clean 100%?

:rolleyes:

[Danke]

Most people murdered are killed by either a family member or somebody they know...

So black families, friends and acquaintances are very violent, ok.

[Pauls' Revere]

Any major gun control bills up for a vote in CA legislature in the next few days?

Not that im aware of but then again, in California when is there not?

[timosman]

So everybody taking those medications ends up killing somebody.

More mental gymnastics from Zippy. :tears:

[devil21]

In case you thought that was a Masonic symbol, it isn't. It is a logo for Canelo Alverez clothing. He is a Mexican boxer.

https://caneloteam.com/

https://caneloteam.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/canelowhite.png

Because those two things are mutually exclusive? Entertainers also being Freemasons? The hell you say!

[Occam's Banana]

A gun is a tool. There is no cause and effect. On the other hand there is a known cause and effect with the drugs.

[emphasis added by Zippyjuan - OB]

So everybody taking those medications ends up killing somebody.

Grasping at straws strawmen, eh?

FIFY

This is one of Zippy's favorite tactics - he takes simple statements like "some drugs are known to cause certain effects such as X" (or "the Fed causes bubbles" or etc.), and then he twists them into absurd claims like "everybody taking those drugs will do X" (or "bubbles can only be caused by the Fed" or etc.), so that he can then pretend that the absurd thing he made up is what you actually meant ...



Most people murdered are killed by either a family member or somebody they know (murders are not necessarily mass shootings or even necessarily shootings).

So everybody who has family or acquaintances is at high risk of being murdered by them.

(See how that works?)

[Cap]

In case you thought that was a Masonic symbol, it isn't. It is a logo for Canelo Alverez clothing. He is a Mexican boxer.

https://caneloteam.com/

https://caneloteam.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/canelowhite.pngTriple G won both of those fights.

[Swordsmyth]

Three Las Vegas shooting survivors just happened to be at the Gilroy Garlic Festival and are giving interviews (https://fox40.com/2019/07/30/three-survivors-of-las-vegas-mass-shootings-were-at-garlic-festival-when-a-19-year-old-opened-fire-in-gilroy/)

[Brian4Liberty]

FFS...


Gilroy shooter killed himself, corner says, contradicting earlier police reports

The Santa Clara County coroner's office said Friday that the 19-year-old gunman at a garlic festival died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound, contradicting earlier police accounts that he had been killed by officers. Police said Santino William Legan shot and killed three people and wounded dozens of other at the Gilroy Garlic Festival on Sunday.

Investigators have yet to determine a motive.

The Gilroy Police Department had previously said officers patrolling the event responded within a minute of the shots being fired and killed Legan, preventing any further casualties, CBS San Francisco reports.

At news conferences throughout the week, police said Legan was shot and killed by three police officers, who were all identified Thursday as veterans of the police force.

According to the medical examiner's office, Legan died by suicide with an intraoral gunshot wound to the head.
...
More: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gilroy-garlic-festival-shooting-gunman-santino-william-legan-died-from-self-inflicted-gunshot-wound/



4. Legan Was Shot by Police Just Minutes After the First Shots Rang Out, Sending Panicked Festivalgoers Racing Toward Exits & Into Hiding (https://heavy.com/news/2019/07/santino-william-legan/)

When seconds count, cops are only minutes away.

Apparently there was a reason no hero cops were marched out in front of the media...


Despite all of the futile hut-hutting after the fact looking for additional shooters, I have to say “thank you” to first cops that got there and got him. Saved lives, and spared us all from a long, highly publicized, expensive trial where they would eventually find him mentally unfit and institutionalize him for a while.

Well, the shooter did us all a favor.

[Brian4Liberty]

...
There is no way this killer thought that he was getting out of this alive. He committed suicide, and decided to take others with him. Pretty consistent with adverse reactions to SSRIs.
...

Instead of suicide by cop, it appears that the shooter killed himself. Now you know the rest of the story.

[Pauls' Revere]

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Man-Arrested-in-Gilroy-After-Social-Media-Threats-Referencing-Garlic-Festival-Shooting-513528341.html

And now, this... Jose Pinon arrested.

A 33-year-old man was arrested Thursday in Gilroy after posting threats to social media referencing the Gilroy Garlic Festival shooting, according to the Gilroy Police Department.

Jose Pinon posted threats via Facebook late Wednesday night and referenced the number of persons killed at the Garlic Festival on Sunday, police said.

Pinon was arrested Thursday morning for a restraining order violation as well as making the comments on social media, police said.

Threats made on social media platforms, especially in times such as this, are not only unlawful, but unacceptable and and will not be tolerated, police said.

Gilroy Gunman Showed No Signs of Violence, Says Former Boss

A 19-year-old man entered the Garlic Festival grounds Sunday and opened fire, killing three people, including two children, and injuring 12 before officers shot and killed him.


You have been warned...

[Brian4Liberty]

Nothing to see here. No need to correct erroneous reporting. This will not be featured on CNN.


SALINAS, Calif. – FBI officials called media reports characterizing the Gilroy festival gunman’s ideology “wrong” after outlets referenced a social media post and literature associated with white supremacists.

Speaking to reporters Wednesday outside the festival grounds – where three were killed and 12 injured Sunday – John Bennett, FBI special agent in charge, said investigators still do not know what the ideology was of the 19-year-old shooter, Santino William Legan.
...
In the seizure at the shooter's Nevada home, the San Francisco Chronicle reported officials found reading materials on white supremacy and radical Islam, per an anonymous federal law enforcement source. The reading materials were apparently not included in the items found in the search warrant released Tuesday, according to The Chronicle.

Bennett said those findings of literature are “erroneous and incorrect information,” though he said there were many materials found and they need to be sorted.
...
More: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/08/01/media-wrong-gilroy-shooters-white-supremacy-ideology-fbi-says/1893490001/