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PAF
07-25-2019, 08:54 AM
Evidence is continuing to mount that U.S. Customs and Border Protection is planning to build more border wall in Cameron County.

An email sent out by the Rio Bravo Property Owners Association to its members who live in the River Bend Resort & Golf Club last Friday obtained by The Brownsville Herald says Border Patrol is planning to build border wall in the area in 2020.

This letter follows three land condemnation lawsuits filed by the United States Attorney’s Office against the owners of three properties—all south of Military Highway and west of Brownsville—in the last four weeks.

The River Bend Resort & Golf Club is south of Military Highway as well, by Veterans Memorial Early College High School, just east of the West Rail Bridge into Mexico.

This area is approximately five miles from a small neighborhood in San Pedro where the USAO has filed land condemnation lawsuits against homes owned by Jaime R. Treviño and Rocio Treviño and by Salvador J. Castillo and Yvette Arroyo, who told the Herald last week that their neighbors received letters from the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers requesting access to their properties to survey for the construction of border fencing.

The first such lawsuit filed in the years following the border fencing built here a decade ago is against Wanda Hollon and Robert R. Mathers, who own an agricultural property approximately one mile northwest of the Silas Ray Power Station, which is located off of Power Plant Drive on the western edge of Brownsville, also south of Military Highway.

Approximately eight miles separate that property from the small neighborhood in San Pedro with the River Bend Resort & Golf Club sitting between those two points.

A stretch of border fence already sits between the River Bend Resort & Golf Club and the San Pedro neighborhood.

The letter sent to members of the Rio Bravo Property Owners Association states that the River Bend Resort & Golf Club’s management met with the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, Border Patrol and the Border Wall Installation team and were told that CBP has already secured funding for the project.

“So far in our four and a half year ownership the consensus has been from multiple Border Patrol agents and leadership that River Bend was not on their priority list and that they were not recommending we get a wall,” the email states. “On Thursday they informed us that the decision had been made and the funding was in place for River Bend to receive its portion of the wall.”

The email included a timeline, which puts conceptual design, alignment, surveying and overall cost of the project to be completed by September, 2019.

The contract is scheduled to be awarded by December, 2019, with final design, appraisals and first condemnation letters being sent out in early 2020, according to the email.

Construction is scheduled to begin in the spring or summer of 2020, the email states.

“They are considering possible alignments of the wall, primarily one of two options (a) Along the levee or (b) Along Highway 281,” the email states. “We expect them to be surveying both.”

The letter states that the River Bend Resort & Golf Course has retained legal counsel to help it navigate through the process, but that it will be up to Rio Bravo Property Owners Association members to hire an attorney.

“At this time unfortunately this is all the information we have,” the email states. “We will keep you informed as we learn new information.”

An email sent to an address monitored by Border Patrol press agents asking about the agency’s plans for new border fencing was not immediately answered.

CBP has not publicly announced any new border fencing planned for Cameron County aside from 11 gates.

That work was announced last year when CBP said it awarded $3,731,380 for seven gates to fill in border wall gaps with an option for four gates valued at $1,985,525—or $519,710 per gate for 11 gates.

The last round of border wall funding allotted $1.4 billion for 55 miles of new border wall in the Rio Grande Valley, including 33 miles in Hidalgo and Starr counties.


https://www.brownsvilleherald.com/news/local/feds-eye-river-bend-gold-course-email-outlines-border-fence/article_4b86ccf6-9152-11e9-aa93-03bffd3ef142.html


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PAF
07-25-2019, 09:05 AM
Eminent domain destroys far more economic value than it creates.

Moving away from country, suburban and private property to city/metropolitan.

Continuation of the Bush and Obama administrations.

Aside from the paying for a physical wall, Tax Payers are paying for private property take-overs and giving it to the Fed.gov.

Protection of Private Property IS used to be the BEDROCK of Conservative Philosophy.


How many jobs will this displace? Dozens? Hundreds? More? Not just the resort itself, but everything that revolves around a resort community?

Swordsmyth
07-25-2019, 02:01 PM
Eminent domain destroys far more economic value than it creates.

Moving away from country, suburban and private property to city/metropolitan.

Continuation of the Bush and Obama administrations.

Aside from the paying for a physical wall, Tax Payers are paying for private property take-overs and giving it to the Fed.gov.

Protection of Private Property IS used to be the BEDROCK of Conservative Philosophy.


How many jobs will this displace? Dozens? Hundreds? More? Not just the resort itself, but everything that revolves around a resort community?
The communism you are inviting in will be far more destructive to our economy and our freedom.

PAF
07-25-2019, 02:17 PM
The communism you are inviting in will be far more destructive to our economy and our freedom.


Communism would dictate that we have no property rights. This position therefore seems flawed to me.
angelatc is correct.




I am not inviting anybody in. Here are the real criminals:

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Swordsmyth
07-25-2019, 02:21 PM
@angelatc (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=198) is correct.




I am not inviting anybody in. Here are the real criminals:

6739
Building a wall at the border is not an absolute end to property rights, communism will be.

You are inviting and aiding/abetting the invaders.

PAF
07-25-2019, 02:36 PM
Building a wall at the border is not an absolute end to property rights, communism will be.

You are inviting and aiding/abetting the invaders.

It will establish precedent on an national scale. It also lines the pockets of the lobbyists/contractors, and can potentially be the largest land grab in modern history.

The real cause and the real solution are always completely ignored.

You obviously have not watched the panel discussion hosted by the Future of Property Rights that I posted here:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?537174-Border-Lands-The-Wall-s-Impact-on-Property-Rights

Swordsmyth
07-25-2019, 02:39 PM
It will establish precedent on an national scale. It also lines the pockets of the lobbyists/contractors, and can potentially be the largest land grab in modern history.

The real cause and the real solution are always completely ignored.

You obviously have not watched the panel discussion hosted by the Future of Property Rights that I posted here:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?537174-Border-Lands-The-Wall-s-Impact-on-Property-Rights

It will not establish any new precedent, it is one of the few justifiable uses of Eminent Domain to defend against foreign enemies and Eminent Domain has already been expanded to ludicrous levels.

Have you heard of Kelo?

PAF
07-25-2019, 02:51 PM
It will not establish any new precedent, it is one of the few justifiable uses of Eminent Domain to defend against foreign enemies and Eminent Domain has already been expanded to ludicrous levels.

Your centralist document strikes. Curious, how do you feel about the 16th?




Have you heard of Kelo?



Ah, so you did NOT watch the video.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2005/07/ron-paul/we-have-no-jurisdiction-in-kelo/

Swordsmyth
07-25-2019, 03:01 PM
Your centralist document strikes. Curious, how do you feel about the 16th?
The Constitution did not create Eminent Domain, the states would have used it for defensive purposes without the Constitution and whatever you think of the Constitution it does and must make immigration and defense a federal responsibility in return for the free movement of people between states.
If the feds didn't control immigration and defend our borders it would be necessary for the states to do so for interstate movement and borders. (A1S9 recognizes that the states do still have the power to determine who they think proper to admit so we may need to bring that back just to spite you)

The 16th is an abomination and may not have been properly ratified.






Ah, so you did NOT watch the video.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2005/07/ron-paul/we-have-no-jurisdiction-in-kelo/

That is irrelevant, Kelo set the (Horrible) precedent that government can use Eminent Domain for almost anything so its use for defending against an invasion sets no new precedent.

Ron is also wrong about incorporation, the BoR has been applied to the states by ammendment and it certainly should be applied to them.

PAF
07-25-2019, 03:16 PM
The Constitution did not create Eminent Domain, the states would have used it for defensive purposes without the Constitution and whatever you think of the Constitution it does and must make immigration and defense a federal responsibility in return for the free movement of people between states.
If the feds didn't control immigration and defend our borders it would be necessary for the states to do so for interstate movement and borders. (A1S9 recognizes that the states do still have the power to determine who they think proper to admit so we may need to bring that back just to spite you)

The 16th is an abomination and may not have been properly ratified.







That is irrelevant, Kelo set the (Horrible) precedent that government can use Eminent Domain for almost anything so its use for defending against an invasion sets no new precedent.

Ron is also wrong about incorporation, the BoR has been applied to the states by ammendment and it certainly should be applied to them.

The libtards hate the Constitution. The neocons trashed the Constitution. Folks like me see tremendous flaws in the Constitution.

While it would be nice to have every American return to the Constitution, so that we could address the crapola that is in it, it is unlikely that we will ever return to it.

Here's my approach. Try not go into a frenzy:

The Non-Aggression Principle (http://nap.nfshost.com/)

An Agorist Primer (http://www.kopubco.com/pdf/An_Agorist_Primer_by_SEK3.pdf)

Swordsmyth
07-25-2019, 03:18 PM
The libtards hate the Constitution. The neocons trashed the Constitution. Folks like me see tremendous flaws in the Constitution.

While it would be nice to have every American return to the Constitution, so that we could address the crapola that is in it, it is unlikely that we will ever return to it.

Here's my approach. Try not go into a frenzy:

The Non-Aggression Principle (http://nap.nfshost.com/)

An Agorist Primer (http://www.kopubco.com/pdf/An_Agorist_Primer_by_SEK3.pdf)
You left out the important part of your approach:

LET MILLIONS OF COMMUNISTS INVADE AN IMPOSE COMMUNISM FOR THE ADVANCEMENT OF GLOBALISM

r3volution 3.0
07-25-2019, 04:47 PM
Protection of Private Property IS used to be the BEDROCK of Conservative Philosophy.

:up:

angelatc
07-26-2019, 12:20 PM
angelatc is correct.




I am not inviting anybody in

It's all kabuki theater. In the record-setting drown-em-all-in-debt budget he's getting ready to sign, there's no money for border enforcement.

angelatc
07-26-2019, 12:23 PM
You left out the important part of your approach:

LET MILLIONS OF COMMUNISTS INVADE AN IMPOSE COMMUNISM FOR THE ADVANCEMENT OF GLOBALISM

Marx taught that incrementalism was key. We already lost. They're already here. The GOP has already adopted all 10 planks of the manifesto. Taking just a little bit of property for the greater good is indicative of that.

Swordsmyth
07-26-2019, 02:19 PM
Marx taught that incrementalism was key. We already lost. They're already here. The GOP has already adopted all 10 planks of the manifesto. Taking just a little bit of property for the greater good is indicative of that.
Eminent Domain for national defense was what the founders intended it be used for and we don't have full communism yet but if we allow them to import millions of communists we will get it either through the ballot box or a bolshevik revolution.

angelatc
07-26-2019, 02:20 PM
Eminent Domain for national defense was what the founders intended it be used for and we don't have full communism yet but if we allow them to import millions of communists we will get it either through the ballot box or a bolshevik revolution.

It's already over, komrade.

Swordsmyth
07-26-2019, 02:24 PM
It's already over, komrade.

No it isn't.

Your attempt to justify surrender is pitiful.