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Zippyjuan
07-23-2019, 06:05 PM
The executive branch is to execute the laws. The power of creating laws falls to the legislative branch.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-falsely-says-constitution-gives-him-unlimited-power-president-2019-7


WASHINGTON President Donald Trump on Tuesday appeared to suggest Article 2 of the Constitution provides him with unlimited authority as president, which is not accurate.

Speaking to a crowd of young conservatives at a Turning Point USA conference in the nation's capital, Trump on Tuesday said, "Then I have an Article 2, where I have the right to do whatever I want as president."

Trump was bashing the former special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russian election interference when he made the erroneous assertion. He's made similar comments in the past. In a June interview with ABC News, Trump said, "Article 2 allows me to do whatever I want. Article 2 would have allowed me to fire [Mueller]."



Article 2 says: https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleii


The executive power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his office during the term of four years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same term, be elected, as follows:


Section 2.

The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States; he may require the opinion, in writing, of the principal officer in each of the executive departments, upon any subject relating to the duties of their respective offices, and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment.

He shall have power, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, to make treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the advice and consent of the Senate, shall appoint ambassadors, other public ministers and consuls, judges of the Supreme Court, and all other officers of the United States, whose appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by law: but the Congress may by law vest the appointment of such inferior officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the courts of law, or in the heads of departments.

The President shall have power to fill up all vacancies that may happen during the recess of the Senate, by granting commissions which shall expire at the end of their next session.

Swordsmyth
07-23-2019, 06:11 PM
That's a nice spin but he was obviously making a correct point about his absolute power over the executive branch.

timosman
07-23-2019, 06:14 PM
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phill4paul
07-23-2019, 06:47 PM
That's a nice spin but he was obviously making a correct point about his absolute power over the executive branch.

It's a shitty spin. Which is all Zip is ever capable of.

Swordsmyth
07-23-2019, 06:50 PM
It's a $#@!ty spin. Which is all Zip is ever capable of.
Zip:

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AngryCanadian
07-23-2019, 06:56 PM
Ah yes business insider.

Zippyjuan
07-23-2019, 07:24 PM
Speaking of spinners.....

RonZeplin
07-23-2019, 08:39 PM
Fake News, not from Dear Leader. :redflag:

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r3volution 3.0
07-24-2019, 03:25 PM
Fake News, not from Dear Leader. :redflag:

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There's always some element of that in politics, but I can't recall a more extreme example in recent history.

Obama may have come close.

Sonny Tufts
07-24-2019, 04:48 PM
he was obviously making a correct point about his absolute power over the executive branch.

Trump may think he has absolute power over the executive branch, but he doesn't.

Some examples: the appointment of important executive officers must be consented to by the Senate; the President cannot unilaterally install them in office. Congress can establish qualifications for executive offices; regulate the conduct of certain employees of the executive branch (e.g., the Hatch Act); require executive officials to submit financial disclosures; prescribe rules limiting the grounds for firing certain employees of the executive branch (e.g., "for cause" restrictions); and exempt agencies from complying with generally applicable executive branch requirements that agency rules, legislative submissions, and budget requests be reviewed and cleared by the White House.

For a survey, see https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R45442.pdf

And then, of course, there is the power of Congress to remove the President, Vice President, and all civil officers of the United States via impeachment. Putting aside Trump's claim about having the authority to pardon himself, it's crystal clear he has no legal authority to prevent or undo an impeachment of anyone.

So the claim about absolute power over the executive branch is clearly false. And don't forget: Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Swordsmyth
07-24-2019, 04:53 PM
Trump may think he has absolute power over the executive branch, but he doesn't.

Some examples: the appointment of important executive officers must be consented to by the Senate; the President cannot unilaterally install them in office. Congress can establish qualifications for executive offices; regulate the conduct of certain employees of the executive branch (e.g., the Hatch Act); require executive officials to submit financial disclosures; prescribe rules limiting the grounds for firing certain employees of the executive branch (e.g., "for cause" restrictions); and exempt agencies from complying with generally applicable executive branch requirements that agency rules, legislative submissions, and budget requests be reviewed and cleared by the White House.

For a survey, see https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R45442.pdf

And then, of course, there is the power of Congress to remove the President, Vice President, and all civil officers of the United States via impeachment. Putting aside Trump's claim about having the authority to pardon himself, it's crystal clear he has no legal authority to prevent or undo an impeachment of anyone.

So the claim about absolute power over the executive branch is clearly false. And don't forget: Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
He does have it with a few exceptions and he certainly has the power to direct the DoJ what to investigate and who to fire.

If Congress wants a special prosecutor to investigate something they can appoint one of their own.

fcreature
07-24-2019, 08:47 PM
Fake news is fake. I listened to that interview. Anyone with half a brain knows what he was saying. Unfortunately that excludes Zippy.