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dannno
07-21-2019, 04:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-Xez7o4zKw

Big quake rumbles across Southern California, some damage northeast of Los Angeles (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?536422-Big-quake-rumbles-across-Southern-California-some-damage-northeast-of-Los-Angeles/page3)
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?536422-Big-quake-rumbles-across-Southern-California-some-damage-northeast-of-Los-Angeles

Anti Globalist
07-21-2019, 05:19 PM
But the deep state is filled with a bunch of cockroaches. They don't die from nuclear explosions.

Working Poor
07-21-2019, 05:34 PM
I don't know why but this guy Daniel kinda rubs me the wrong way. I have listened to several of his videos. He is deep into exposing pedos that's for sure. I don't know if he is right or wrong about this particular topic it is kind hard for me to swallow.

Brian4Liberty
07-21-2019, 06:27 PM
I don't know why but this guy Daniel kinda rubs me the wrong way. I have listened to several of his videos. He is deep into exposing pedos that's for sure. I don't know if he is right or wrong about this particular topic it is kind hard for me to swallow.

Cointelpro?

timosman
07-21-2019, 06:29 PM
He is deep into exposing pedos that's for sure.

Beats having to work like the rest of you losers. :D

timosman
07-21-2019, 06:30 PM
Cointelpro?

Cointelpro on the cheap. :D

dannno
07-22-2019, 01:32 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFbdklUUbVo

Swordsmyth
07-22-2019, 01:35 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFbdklUUbVo

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Swordsmyth
07-22-2019, 01:38 AM
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AngryCanadian
07-22-2019, 02:16 AM
There are still some aftershocks happening in California.

Working Poor
07-22-2019, 07:15 AM
Cointelpro on the cheap. :D

Maybe on the cheap we don't know how much the guy is being paid to say what he says. I do believe that he attracts the type people that the deep state would love to use for their false flags and such. I don't want to OD on salt trying to listen to him. Keep the young'uns away from him. I don't like him.

UWDude
07-22-2019, 10:47 AM
This is ridiculous, and serialbrain2 is ridiculous too.

Q mentions him to swim over a conversation to another board.

Some Q people suddenly thought he was serialbrain2, prophet of Q.

Interestingly enough, this was how Q separated his cult from the cult of Alex Jones.

SerialBrain2 had posted a long, windy thing about Alex Jones being deep state on a now banned reddit forum (greatAwakening), and Q linked to it.
Everybody started using that reddit.

Then Q posted a MSM article calling Alex Jones a showman.

This was all shortly after Q saying "disinfo is necessary" and "here comes the pain".

Q posting an MSM article was first clue.

This is wallace shooting lightning bolts out his ass.

enhanced_deficit
07-22-2019, 11:29 AM
Trump Literally Nuked the Deep State

Big quake rumbles across Southern California, some damage northeast of Los Angeles

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?536422-Big-quake-rumbles-across-Southern-California-some-damage-northeast-of-Los-Angeles



So it's true that G-d's hand is working in mysterious ways through MAGA as his top donor and respected Zionist Adelson claimed few days ago?
Do all MAGA supporters believe that this is divine intervention ?

It is undisputed that G-d is global/universal interventionist, so globalist neocons are not entirely in wrong.


Deifying the American President: Miriam Adelson Doubles Down on 'Book of Trump' (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?537002-White-Nationalist-leader-who-once-supported-Trump-now-says-he-s-playing-a-con-game&p=6831993&viewfull=1#post6831993)

Jul 08, 2019
https://images.haarets.co.il/image/upload/w_2200,h_1278,x_0,y_0,c_crop,g_north_west/w_609,h_343,q_auto,c_fill,f_auto/fl_any_format.preserve_transparency.progressive:no ne/v1562591132/1.7481565.2216604198.jpg
Mega-donor Miriam Adelson, now Israel's richest person, is beholden to no one

Donald Trump’s presidency represents “a time of miracles” for Israel, the United States and the world, and perhaps someday a chapter of the Bible — a “Book of Trump” — should be written celebrating his accomplishments.
Such was the suggestion of Israeli-American megadonor Miriam Adelson, as set out in a praise-laden article published in the two newspapers she owns in both countries.
“Scholars of the Bible will no doubt note the heroes, sages and prophets of antiquity who were similarly spurned by the very people they came to raise up,” Adelson wrote. “Would it be too much to pray for a day when the Bible gets a 'Book of Trump,' much like it has a 'Book of Esther,' celebrating the deliverance of the Jews from ancient Persia?”
For his part, U.S. ambassador David Friedman, speaking at the AIPAC policy conference earlier this year, compared Trump to King David, noting that the legendary Jewish leader “recognized that Israel’s enemies would seek to undermine the centrality of Jerusalem to the State of Israel and to mischaracterize and vilify the Jewish state. He sought God’s intervention for something simple and basic that we not fall for it, that we continue to see the holiness, the beauty, the sanctity of life, and, yes, the good in Jerusalem. I’d like to think that God has blessed the Trump administration in this very manner.”




But whatever you think of Trump I see the hand of GOD giving us a fighting chance.





Also, is the guy in above video some type of divine settler Rabbi by any chance?



Related

Rabbi: Hurricane Katrina was ‘God's punishment’ for American support for Israel's disengagement from Gaza (http://www.haaretz.com/ovadia-yosef-katrina-is-god-s-punishment-for-disengagement-1.169325)

Trump Warns Israel Against New Settlements (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?507196-Trump-Warns-Israel-Against-New-Settlements-Andrew-Adler-probaby-won-t-be-penning-an-editorial&)


Patriot factions of Deep State seem to be going after foreign firster parasitic lobbies with full force now.
With Labor Sec Alex Acosta/Hedge fund Epstein/Foxnews' Dershowitz names being linked to a major scandal about to explode and hit politicians, businessmen of both parties, foreign firster foreign lobbies' could be in headlines again alongwith politicians they may have trapped, blackmailed for nefarious causes.

devil21
07-22-2019, 11:32 AM
Poster child for Qtardation.


Beats having to work like the rest of you losers. :D

Yeah, he makes just enough money to stuff loads of poison down his gullet, never get any exercise or sunlight and pay for his shitty apartment. Man, so jealous....

Influenza
07-22-2019, 12:36 PM
there is much more evidence that trump is a psychopathic pedophile than evidence for a nuke being the cause of the recent california earthquakes

timosman
07-22-2019, 12:43 PM
there is much more evidence that trump is a psychopathic pedophile than evidence for a nuke being the cause of the recent california earthquakes

Do you have any evidence, Sherlock? :tears:

Influenza
07-22-2019, 01:06 PM
Do you have any evidence, Sherlock? :tears:
trump's comments on epstein alone already greatly exceed the evidence brought forth for this supposed nuclear explosion.

r3volution 3.0
07-22-2019, 07:30 PM
Politics is now literally too stupid for satire.

Swordsmyth
07-24-2019, 12:08 AM
@dannno (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=10908)

26:30-33:00


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKCEEAJ2BzA

devil21
07-24-2019, 02:07 PM
@dannno (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=10908)

26:30-33:00


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKCEEAJ2BzA

Seems to me that Dutch is implying that the military is intentionally trying to trigger the Big One out there. That is not outside of realm of possibilities, given other things ongoing, like REX84 being in response to a "major disaster". other big parts of REX84 are obviously already in play.

Zippyjuan
07-24-2019, 02:24 PM
Seems to me that Dutch is implying that the military is intentionally trying to trigger the Big One out there. That is not outside of realm of possibilities, given other things ongoing, like REX84 being in response to a "major disaster". other big parts of REX84 are obviously already in play.

"Ongoing" REX84 was only 35 years ago.

dannno
07-24-2019, 02:38 PM
Seems to me that Dutch is implying that the military is intentionally trying to trigger the Big One out there. That is not outside of realm of possibilities, given other things ongoing, like REX84 being in response to a "major disaster". other big parts of REX84 are obviously already in play.

He is implying that the earthquakes may have been a result of something happening or a trigger at, or under, the bases - as opposed to a natural event - even though he doesn't get into conspiracy theories, some of his listeners do - and he is an expert in earthquakes and weather.

dannno
07-24-2019, 02:41 PM
"Ongoing" REX84 was only 35 years ago.

Just because they change the name or pretend it isn't happening anymore doesn't mean it isn't.

Fortunately, Trump will not be rounding up US citizens for being freedom lovers or patriots. That is because the people who initiated Rex84 are now out of power.

He might round up a few terrorists or illegal immigrants, tho.

Zippyjuan
07-24-2019, 02:51 PM
Just because they change the name or pretend it isn't happening anymore doesn't mean it isn't.

Fortunately, Trump will not be rounding up US citizens for being freedom lovers or patriots. That is because the people who initiated Rex84 are now out of power.

He might round up a few terrorists or illegal immigrants, tho.

Wasn't Obama supposed to round up everybody? Alex Jones said so.

dannno
07-24-2019, 02:56 PM
This is ridiculous, and serialbrain2 is ridiculous too.

Q mentions him to swim over a conversation to another board.

Some Q people suddenly thought he was serialbrain2, prophet of Q.

Interestingly enough, this was how Q separated his cult from the cult of Alex Jones.

SerialBrain2 had posted a long, windy thing about Alex Jones being deep state on a now banned reddit forum (greatAwakening), and Q linked to it.
Everybody started using that reddit.

Then Q posted a MSM article calling Alex Jones a showman.

This was all shortly after Q saying "disinfo is necessary" and "here comes the pain".

Q posting an MSM article was first clue.

This is wallace shooting lightning bolts out his ass.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsaZF2E2uI4

dannno
07-24-2019, 02:57 PM
Wasn't Obama supposed to round up everybody? Alex Jones said so.

He was probably preparing for Hillary to round up everybody. But they are on the same team, so he wasn't really wrong.

Trump isn't on their team, even though they were pictured together once or twice.

devil21
07-24-2019, 03:14 PM
"Ongoing" REX84 was only 35 years ago.

Exercise yes, but doesn't military do exercises for operational implementation later? The R stands for "Readiness". Don't be obtuse Zip.



He was probably preparing for Hillary to round up everybody. But they are on the same team, so he wasn't really wrong.

Trump isn't on their team, even though they were pictured together once or twice.

"He said once or twice!"
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https://s1.r29static.com//bin/entry/f5c/x,80/2087889/image.jpg

Zippyjuan
07-24-2019, 03:17 PM
Exercise yes, but doesn't military do exercises for operational implementation later? The R stands for "Readiness". Don't be obtuse Zip.

They exercise for a lot of things which never happen. When was their last REXX84 practice? In 1984. The participants will be getting pretty old and rusty by now.

devil21
07-24-2019, 03:23 PM
They exercise for a lot of things which never happen. When was their last REXX84 practice? In 1984. The participants will be getting pretty old and rusty by now.

But the preface for what it was practicing for is actually happening now, at least if you listen to dannno and SS and others. So yeah there's that little wrinkle...

Zippyjuan
07-24-2019, 03:26 PM
But the preface for what it was practicing for is actually happening now, at least if you listen to dannno and SS and others. So yeah there's that little wrinkle...

Trump does tend to call everything a "national emergency" (but he also does exaggerate a lot). Do you think he is going to start rounding up everybody?

devil21
07-24-2019, 03:32 PM
Trump does tend to call everything a "national emergency" (but he also does exaggerate a lot). Do you think he is going to start rounding up everybody?

We're due for another emergency declaration of some sort on or about August 14th. I wonder what reason they'll come up with this time?

Everybody? No, not everybody. There does appear to be a slow conditioning to the idea of mass rounds-up, though, and there's obviously people that have become comfortable with the idea already. eta: and lol@image of Trump rounding up anyone. That's like saying that Pol Pot was in the fields shooting people.

Zippyjuan
07-24-2019, 03:41 PM
We're due for another emergency declaration of some sort on or about August 14th. I wonder what reason they'll come up with this time?

Everybody? No, not everybody. There does appear to be a slow conditioning to the idea of mass rounds-up, though, and there's obviously people that have become comfortable with the idea already. eta: and lol@image of Trump rounding up anyone. That's like saying that Pol Pot was in the fields shooting people.

Why that date? What was the date of the last emergency declaration?

dannno
07-24-2019, 03:43 PM
Trump does tend to call everything a "national emergency" (but he also does exaggerate a lot). Do you think he is going to start rounding up everybody?

Trump started raiding and arresting deep state actors a few weeks ago.

I'm a little surprised you're still here.

Zippyjuan
07-24-2019, 03:44 PM
Trump started raiding and arresting deep state actors a few weeks ago.

I'm a little surprised you're still here.

Who has he been arresting?

dannno
07-24-2019, 03:46 PM
Who has he been arresting?

Satanic pedophiles

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?537069-Trump-Literally-Nuked-the-Deep-State


Also, those east coast power outages, raids were being conducted there as well.

Remember there were over 30,000 sealed indictments? Usually I think there are well under 1,000. Q was talking about that years ago. They are currently making the arrests.

devil21
07-24-2019, 03:54 PM
Why that date? What was the date of the last emergency declaration?

Let's just bookmark this thread and see, shall we?



^^^^^
LOL dannno didn't even realize he linked to the thread he was posting on. It's tough, busy work to keep putting out fires and posting on every Trump thread.

Zippyjuan
07-24-2019, 04:00 PM
Satanic pedophiles

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?537069-Trump-Literally-Nuked-the-Deep-State


Also, those east coast power outages, raids were being conducted there as well.

Remember there were over 30,000 sealed indictments? Usually I think there are well under 1,000. Q was talking about that years ago. They are currently making the arrests.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Qult_Headquarters/comments/95gc0f/debunking_the_claims_about_40000_sealed/


So what’s the problem? First, those search results showing up on PACER aren’t just indictments, they’re court proceedings. That certainly includes indictments, but it also includes search warrants, records of petty offenses (like speeding tickets), wiretap and pen register applications, etc. For example, here’s the search page for criminal case reports from the Colorado district court, where you can see that “case types” includes “petty offenses,” “search warrant,” and “wire tap.” (There are other options as well if you scroll — although I didn’t take a second screenshot — like “pen registers,” “magistrate judge,” and finally “criminal.”) In the Q crew's instructions for conducting these searches (linked above), they specifically mention leaving all default settings except for the date, which means their search results will include speeding tickets and search warrants and everything else.

Second, the number 45,468 comes from adding up all the sealed court proceedings that are submitted every month. It doesn’t account for proceedings that have since been unsealed and/or carried out. In other words, that number is literally meaningless. It’s always going to get higher and higher, because they’re not keeping track of the number of court proceedings that are currently sealed, they’re just adding up the new proceedings that are filed every month. So how many are still sealed? Frankly, I have no idea, because I have zero desire to go through all 50+ district court websites (most states have more than one) and count them all up.

More at link.

Zippyjuan
07-24-2019, 04:01 PM
Let's just bookmark this thread and see, shall we?



Satanic pedophiles

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?537069-Trump-Literally-Nuked-the-Deep-State

LOL dannno didn't even realize he linked to the thread he was posting on. It's tough, busy work to keep putting out fires and posting on every Trump thread.



So you have no reason to randomly pick 8/14/19. It just sounded good.

devil21
07-24-2019, 04:03 PM
So you have no reason to randomly pick 8/14/19. It just sounded good.

If that is what you wish to believe then feel free to do so.

dannno
07-24-2019, 04:10 PM
^^^^^
LOL dannno didn't even realize he linked to the thread he was posting on. It's tough, busy work to keep putting out fires and posting on every Trump thread.

That's not as bad as zippy asking a question that was explicitly answered in the OP of the thread he is posting in.

Zippyjuan
07-24-2019, 04:19 PM
That's not as bad as zippy asking a question that was explicitly answered in the OP of the thread he is posting in.

If it was on YouTube it must be true. That was facts of Trump arresting people? Nukes causing the California earthquakes? LOL!

Zippyjuan
07-24-2019, 04:20 PM
If that is what you wish to believe then feel free to do so.

Surely there is some reason you chose that date. Afraid to share why?

UWDude
07-24-2019, 11:36 PM
Trump does tend to call everything a "national emergency" (but he also does exaggerate a lot). Do you think he is going to start rounding up everybody?

He also says everybody is a great friend of his, really great friend.

He took pictures with lots of people. Lots of people love skyscrapers, you know.

Until one of them tries to knife him, that's when the venom comes.

UWDude
07-25-2019, 12:01 AM
Bam Iran
Bam Bam Bam Bam Iran had an Earthquake.
A nuke test.

Two days after truth was let out, California had two earthquakes.
Confirmation.

They knew the part about Israel was true.
Vanunu Mordechai.

Russian Collusion.

Showmen.

Times up.

LoL

jmdrake
07-25-2019, 05:06 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-Xez7o4zKw

Big quake rumbles across Southern California, some damage northeast of Los Angeles (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?536422-Big-quake-rumbles-across-Southern-California-some-damage-northeast-of-Los-Angeles/page3)
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?536422-Big-quake-rumbles-across-Southern-California-some-damage-northeast-of-Los-Angeles

So let me get this straight. You believe that Trump talked some "patriots" into setting off tactical nukes (where'd they get them?) in order to set of massive earthquakes to free children held by pedophiles and kill all the pedophiles without any collateral damage because...tactical nukes just work that way? That....that's your theory?

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/227/689/ef8.jpg

jmdrake
07-25-2019, 05:13 AM
Satanic pedophiles

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?537069-Trump-Literally-Nuked-the-Deep-State


Also, those east coast power outages, raids were being conducted there as well.

Remember there were over 30,000 sealed indictments? Usually I think there are well under 1,000. Q was talking about that years ago. They are currently making the arrests.

Yes. There are satanic pedophiles. It's quite possible that Trump is one of them. He was good friends with the Clintons and Jeffrey Epstein. He did fly at least once on the "Lolita Express." The "ping pong pizza" story was real, but Alex Jones single handedly killed the story with his phony, over-sensationalized reporting of it that was so bad he had to apologize on air for it. I'm not sure if he was paid to sabotage the story or just stupid. The video you posted makes Alex Jones look totally sane and credible by comparison. But if Trump is actually going around ordering tactical nuclear strikes on U.S. soil then he should be impeached. I say if, because there is absolutely no way this story is true. But all someone has to say to get you to believe something these days is say "Deep State" and "Hero Trump" in the same sentence.

Swordsmyth
07-25-2019, 01:58 PM
He did fly at least once on the "Lolita Express."

That's untrue, Trump once caught a ride on a different Jet from Florid to his home in NYC.

dannno
07-25-2019, 02:19 PM
Yes. There are satanic pedophiles. It's quite possible that Trump is one of them. He was good friends with the Clintons and Jeffrey Epstein. He did fly at least once on the "Lolita Express." The "ping pong pizza" story was real, but Alex Jones single handedly killed the story with his phony, over-sensationalized reporting of it that was so bad he had to apologize on air for it. I'm not sure if he was paid to sabotage the story or just stupid. The video you posted makes Alex Jones look totally sane and credible by comparison. But if Trump is actually going around ordering tactical nuclear strikes on U.S. soil then he should be impeached. I say if, because there is absolutely no way this story is true. But all someone has to say to get you to believe something these days is say "Deep State" and "Hero Trump" in the same sentence.

The first part in bold is totally false, I know we argued about this before but more information came out recently. Turns out Trump never flew to Epstein Island. He flew ONCE on one of Epstein's jets, but he was just hitching a ride from Florida back to NY. It was not the "Lolita Express" jet, it was another plane owned by Epstein.

Epstein tried to get Trump to go to his island many, many times.. That is why they were so close. Epstein wanted to blackmail Trump. But Trump knew there was something up and it was going to be a trap.. but he also wanted to get dirt on others close to Epstein for himself, which is why he didn't just tell him to fuck off. But eventually he hit on a young girl at the Mara-lago and he banned him.

Here is a history on Q Team, they have been around since the Eisenhower administration. They recruited Trump once in office, not the other way around. They have been quietly waiting to take over the satanic pedophiles (you know, the ones Alex Jones has been going after for decades, the people who go to Bohemian Grove, run the banks, etc..) and they finally got their shot to take power once Trump was elected.

They briefed him as soon as he became President, and immediately got to work. They took over the FBI first and now have control over at least the heads of all of the other branches of intelligence and military except for the Air Force. But there are still small contingents of deep state operations within the CIA and some of the other branches that were taken over.

The China Lake Naval Weapons Facility was the last Naval stronghold of the deep state. They sent in intelligence operatives to try and get it back, and they were murdered. That is why Trump made the decision to use the tactical nukes. Did you not watch that part of the video?? They had basically gone rogue and were murdering American officers. They also had 4,000 children rescued who were undergoing torture and sexually related scientific experiments before the nuked the place.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsaZF2E2uI4

Zippyjuan
07-25-2019, 04:51 PM
So let me get this straight. You believe that Trump talked some "patriots" into setting off tactical nukes (where'd they get them?) in order to set of massive earthquakes to free children held by pedophiles and kill all the pedophiles without any collateral damage because...tactical nukes just work that way? That....that's your theory?

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/227/689/ef8.jpg

I was trying to figure out just why the government would want to drill two holes- one seven miles deep and another five miles deep(the depth of the quakes) in the middle of nowhere in California just to pop off a couple of nukes (which would have been detected internationally by monitoring stations). Was it to kill the bees like the video claims?

How about some math? Yeah, I know school was a long time ago for some of you. The biggest quake in that series was 7.1 on the Richter Scale. A 7.0 earthquake releases the energy equal to about 200,000 tons of TNT.

https://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/energy/energy-hurricane-volcano-earthquake3.htm


7.0 is 199,000 tons,

That is 200 kilotons. That would be about the same as two of the warheads in a Trident II missile. And there were three major quakes in the area. About five Trident missile warheads worth. A bit more than just a "tactical" weapon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon_yield

A bit of literal "overkill" to take out some pedophiles (and some bees).

But if somebody on the internet/ YouTube says it is true, it must be, right?

Seven miles deep (where the quake occurred) is deeper than the deepest oil well ever drilled. Why would you bother to drill that deep in the middle of nowhere just to plant a nuclear warhead or two?

Cap
07-26-2019, 07:47 AM
I'm bumping this thread for the entertainment factor. By the way jmdrake, I believe he and SchutzStaffel are serious.

Zippyjuan
07-26-2019, 10:26 AM
Ridgequest had another aftershock- 4.7. More nukes going off? This one was shallower- about a mile deep.

https://abc7.com/47-magnitude-quake-strikes-near-ridgecrest/5419911/

dannno
07-26-2019, 10:37 AM
Ridgequest had another aftershock- 4.7. More nukes going off? This one was shallower- about a mile deep.

https://abc7.com/47-magnitude-quake-strikes-near-ridgecrest/5419911/

No, they successfully took the facility after two strikes. The nukes triggered earthquakes, and it looks like aftershocks as well. I'm not sure why you are trying to do math and shit.

dannno
07-26-2019, 10:45 AM
I was trying to figure out just why the government would want to drill two holes- one seven miles deep and another five miles deep(the depth of the quakes) in the middle of nowhere in California just to pop off a couple of nukes (which would have been detected internationally by monitoring stations).

A tactical nuke would be detected internationally by monitoring stations?

I guess you didn't actually watch the video, but the reason was that they had multiple intelligence officers murdered trying to take back the rogue deep state facility and there were 4,000 children being tortured down there that they had to go in and save first. When they went in to get the kids, the deep state retreated to locked armored sanctuaries deeper within the tunnels, where they were later routed out with two tactical nuke strikes.

jmdrake
07-26-2019, 12:07 PM
That's untrue, Trump once caught a ride on a different Jet from Florid to his home in NYC.


The first part in bold is totally false, I know we argued about this before but more information came out recently. Turns out Trump never flew to Epstein Island. He flew ONCE on one of Epstein's jets, but he was just hitching a ride from Florida back to NY. It was not the "Lolita Express" jet, it was another plane owned by Epstein.

https://lawandcrime.com/uncategorized/president-trump-on-witness-list-in-case-involving-pedophile-billionaire-jeffrey-epstein/

Trump is included on a witness list filed on August 31, 2016 along with Bill Richardson, the former governor of New Mexico.

In Bradley Edwards’ affidavit filed in support of the civil case, he claims that Mark Epstein (Jeffrey Epstein’s brother) testified that Trump flew on Jeffrey Epstein’s plane with him (the same plane where multiple young girls say they used to have sex.) Former President Bill Clinton is also said to have flown on that same plane.

“Epstein’s phone directory from his computer contains 14 phone numbers for Donald Trump, including emergency numbers, car numbers, and numbers to Trump’s security guard and houseman,” the affidavit claims.



Epstein tried to get Trump to go to his island many, many times.. That is why they were so close. Epstein wanted to blackmail Trump. But Trump knew there was something up and it was going to be a trap.. but he also wanted to get dirt on others close to Epstein for himself, which is why he didn't just tell him to $#@! off. But eventually he hit on a young girl at the Mara-lago and he banned him.


He hit on two girls at Mara-Lago. One was an employee of Trump and there were no repercussions. The other was a daughter of one of Trump's friends. You always conveniently leave that fact out when you recount that story. I wonder why?



The China Lake Naval Weapons Facility was the last Naval stronghold of the deep state. They sent in intelligence operatives to try and get it back, and they were murdered. That is why Trump made the decision to use the tactical nukes. Did you not watch that part of the video?? They had basically gone rogue and were murdering American officers. They also had 4,000 children rescued who were undergoing torture and sexually related scientific experiments before the nuked the place.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsaZF2E2uI4

That story is total BS just like the "There is a basement at Ping Pong Pizza" story that Alex Jones had to recant on air. But if Trump did set of tactical nukes on U.S. soil, he should be impeached. He should absolutely be impeached. But again, that story is total BS.

jmdrake
07-26-2019, 12:08 PM
I was trying to figure out just why the government would want to drill two holes- one seven miles deep and another five miles deep(the depth of the quakes) in the middle of nowhere in California just to pop off a couple of nukes (which would have been detected internationally by monitoring stations). Was it to kill the bees like the video claims?

How about some math? Yeah, I know school was a long time ago for some of you. The biggest quake in that series was 7.1 on the Richter Scale. A 7.0 earthquake releases the energy equal to about 200,000 tons of TNT.

https://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/energy/energy-hurricane-volcano-earthquake3.htm



That is 200 kilotons. That would be about the same as two of the warheads in a Trident II missile. And there were three major quakes in the area. About five Trident missile warheads worth. A bit more than just a "tactical" weapon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon_yield

A bit of literal "overkill" to take out some pedophiles (and some bees).

But if somebody on the internet/ YouTube says it is true, it must be, right?

Yeah. dannno is just plain gullible. All someone has to say is "Trump hero" and he will believe the story no matter how far fetched it is. Again, if Trump set of tactical nukes on U.S. soil he should be impeached.

dannno
07-26-2019, 12:38 PM
Yeah. @dannno (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=10908) is just plain gullible. All someone has to say is "Trump hero" and he will believe the story no matter how far fetched it is. Again, if Trump set of tactical nukes on U.S. soil he should be impeached.

You believe zippy, all of his comments are out of context, nonsense bs, and I'm gullible?? His questions and statements don't make any sense, he obviously watched 20 seconds of the video and decided to twist everything around to make it sound silly. In context, with all the information, there is nothing wrong with what was presented. Did it happen? I don't know. But there is good reason to believe it may well have, and the storm is here.

AdamL
07-26-2019, 01:03 PM
This is some of the best fanfiction I've ever read! 10/10

dannno
07-26-2019, 01:09 PM
https://lawandcrime.com/uncategorized/president-trump-on-witness-list-in-case-involving-pedophile-billionaire-jeffrey-epstein/

Trump is included on a witness list filed on August 31, 2016 along with Bill Richardson, the former governor of New Mexico.

In Bradley Edwards’ affidavit filed in support of the civil case, he claims that Mark Epstein (Jeffrey Epstein’s brother) testified that Trump flew on Jeffrey Epstein’s plane with him (the same plane where multiple young girls say they used to have sex.) Former President Bill Clinton is also said to have flown on that same plane.

WHERE did he fly on the plane?? It does not say.. But the answer is, that it was not to Lolita island.. he went back to NY from Florida. And it turns out it wasn't the Lolita express, it was one of Epstein's other planes. Sorry you weren't hear when this was originally discussed, but this nonsense that Trump flew to Lolita island because this one guy said so was already thoroughly debunked.



“Epstein’s phone directory from his computer contains 14 phone numbers for Donald Trump, including emergency numbers, car numbers, and numbers to Trump’s security guard and houseman,” the affidavit claims.


That's because Epstein was stalking Trump, he wanted to get him out to his island. Trump never went. He knew Epstein's deal, he knew he was blackmailing people. Trump did stay close for a while, though, because he wanted to get evidence for his own purposes.



He hit on two girls at Mara-Lago. One was an employee of Trump and there were no repercussions. The other was a daughter of one of Trump's friends. You always conveniently leave that fact out when you recount that story. I wonder why?


I've heard your ilk claim that Trump didn't kick Epstein out and it was one of the lower level managers, and that Trump never even knew about it. I don't believe that, I believe Trump personally found out and banned him. But I don't think that Trump had any idea that Epstein recruited one of his employees.




That story is total BS just like the "There is a basement at Ping Pong Pizza" story that Alex Jones had to recant on air.


ALEFANTIS: Well, we make everything from scratch. Other restaurants, even good restaurants, will, like, not roast their own peppers. You can just buy the roasted peppers in a can. Or you can buy garlic oil. Some products you can get, and they’re consistent and they’re easy. But I didn’t even know that existed actually until they said that. I was like, “What do you mean? There’s another way? You can just buy these things?” Because a lot of restaurants will open a can and put it on. Like our sauce — we harvest a whole crop of organic tomatoes — 10 tons of tomatoes every year. Can them all, store them in the basement, have like a harvest party when it gets loaded in.

https://www.metroweekly.com/2015/04/from-scratch-james-alefantis/

Once again you show yourself to be the gullible one.

I have seen videos on youtube of people going to Comet Pizza, going to the back of the store, and sneaking (illegally) into one of the doors that leads down to the tunnels under the buildings back when this was all going down. Pretty sure it was in the pizzagate thread back in the day, which you obviously were not paying any serious attention to.

Another thing you should know.. a hacker hacked the Comet Pizza website and found a hidden password protected section that contained a lot of child porn. The hacker turned it over to the FBI, thinking they would investigate. Instead, they sent a patsy to Comet Ping Pong and created a false flag. The shooter went in, took one shot, and just HAPPENED to hit the hard drive on the computer that was hosting the website. (see a picture of the damaged computer in the next post)




But if Trump did set of tactical nukes on U.S. soil, he should be impeached. He should absolutely be impeached. But again, that story is total BS.

For the fifth fucking time, this was a rogue military unit on US soil that had murdered multiple US intelligence officers they had sent in to take it back in control of the democratically elected President. Trump made the correct decision. That is precisely what tactical nukes are for.

dannno
07-26-2019, 01:18 PM
GULLIBLE AS FUCK

https://steemitimages.com/640x0/http://pizzagate.wiki/images/d/d1/CPP_bullet_hole.jpg

Swordsmyth
07-26-2019, 02:14 PM
https://lawandcrime.com/uncategorized/president-trump-on-witness-list-in-case-involving-pedophile-billionaire-jeffrey-epstein/

Trump is included on a witness list filed on August 31, 2016 along with Bill Richardson, the former governor of New Mexico.

In Bradley Edwards’ affidavit filed in support of the civil case, he claims that Mark Epstein (Jeffrey Epstein’s brother) testified that Trump flew on Jeffrey Epstein’s plane with him (the same plane where multiple young girls say they used to have sex.) Former President Bill Clinton is also said to have flown on that same plane.

“Epstein’s phone directory from his computer contains 14 phone numbers for Donald Trump, including emergency numbers, car numbers, and numbers to Trump’s security guard and houseman,” the affidavit claims.



He hit on two girls at Mara-Lago. One was an employee of Trump and there were no repercussions. The other was a daughter of one of Trump's friends. You always conveniently leave that fact out when you recount that story. I wonder why?

It was a different plane and it went to NYC not the island and what I've seen said Trump banned him over the employee.

jmdrake
07-27-2019, 08:18 AM
It was a different plane and it went to NYC not the island and what I've seen said Trump banned him over the employee.

So you think Epstein only was a pedophile on one island? As for why Trump banned Epstein, it depends on who you believe.

https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/j59vm8/the-salacious-ammo-even-donald-trump-wont-use-in-a-fight-against-hillary-clinton-bill-clinton

It appears that Trump cut ties to Epstein a few weeks after the non-prosecution agreement was reached. On October 15, 2007, the New York Post reported that Mar-A-Lago had barred Epstein because he hit on a masseuse at the club. Epstein denied to the the Post that he had been banned. One of the Jane Doe attorneys told VICE News a slightly different account, saying that he had been told Trump broke ties with Epstein after Epstein tried to pick up the underage daughter of a Mar-A-Lago club member.

jmdrake
07-27-2019, 08:28 AM
WHERE did he fly on the plane?? It does not say.. But the answer is, that it was not to Lolita island.. he went back to NY from Florida. And it turns out it wasn't the Lolita express, it was one of Epstein's other planes. Sorry you weren't hear when this was originally discussed, but this nonsense that Trump flew to Lolita island because this one guy said so was already thoroughly debunked.

So Epstein only raped on one island according to you. Got it. Stupid argument by you, but I got it.



That's because Epstein was stalking Trump, he wanted to get him out to his island. Trump never went. He knew Epstein's deal, he knew he was blackmailing people. Trump did stay close for a while, though, because he wanted to get evidence for his own purposes.

No proof of that. That's your theory. Got it. Unfounded theory but I got it.



I've heard your ilk claim that Trump didn't kick Epstein out and it was one of the lower level managers, and that Trump never even knew about it. I don't believe that, I believe Trump personally found out and banned him. But I don't think that Trump had any idea that Epstein recruited one of his employees.

My "ilk?" WTH? You crawl back into your septic tank and this time seal the lid! In the words of Rand Paul, you are a gutter snipe! I never said it wasn't Trump who kicked Epstein out. I've always believe it was Trump who kicked Epstein out. The story posted by one of your "ilk" was that it was because Epstein hit on one of Trump's friend's daughters. That was supposed to make Trump some kind of "hero." That story was posted back when Trump was still running for president. I'm having trouble finding it on the search engine here which is less than perfect. But I can say something about YOU jackass! You were peddling the BS story that Ted Cruz was a serial adulterer. And now you are peddling a BS story about tactical nuke. You really are a mental case.




[/FONT][/COLOR]https://www.metroweekly.com/2015/04/from-scratch-james-alefantis/

Once again you show yourself to be the gullible one.

I have seen videos on youtube of people going to Comet Pizza, going to the back of the store, and sneaking (illegally) into one of the doors that leads down to the tunnels under the buildings back when this was all going down. Pretty sure it was in the pizzagate thread back in the day, which you obviously were not paying any serious attention to.


You are stupid as hell.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfuRSJgi0NQ

Even after Alex Jones recanted his reckless reporting of what was a real story, you are still clinging to the BS version of it. Alex Jones' reckless reporting is what killed the story!


For the fifth $#@!ing time, this was a rogue military unit on US soil that had murdered multiple US intelligence officers they had sent in to take it back in control of the democratically elected President. Trump made the correct decision. That is precisely what tactical nukes are for.

You are stupid as hell. You believe anything no matter how retarded or un-sourced it is as long as it fits your world view. Your stupidity and gullibility is actually scary. If there was a rogue pedophile military unit then they would have had children with them who would have been killed by the so called "tactical nuke." Even ISIS, a group with the combined IQ of a camel flea, knows the value of human shields when it comes to asymmetrical warfare. There is no way in hell this "rogue military unit" would have all of the children off by themselves under minimal guard and not have any in the main bunker for insurance.

And if the special forces were SOOOO good that they could be sure to rescue EVERY CHILD before setting off their "tactical nukes" then they would have been able to take out the "rogue military unit" without tactical nukes. Hell, they could have just sealed the exits with plastic explosives and left them to starve. You are stupid beyond belief. According to the retarded video you posted these "tactical nukes" SET OFF FREAKING EARTHQUAKES! People could have been killed by such a reckless tactic if it happened, which it most certainly did NOT! Add to that poisoning the water table and this boils down to a 100% impeachable offense.

Your repeating the same stupid argument over and over again does not make it somehow true.

This belongs here:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFL5NoM9GVE

dannno
07-27-2019, 12:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFL5NoM9GVE

Dude, I posted a quote of Alefantis himself saying he has a basement under Comet Pizza.. I have seen video of the tunnels under Comet Pizza first hand.. There is no question he was lying about that. I don't care what Alex Jones had to say to get the fucking full force of the law off his back so he didn't get his ass sued into oblivion, since they were blaming him for the false flag.. They set him up, he had to fucking fold. He had to do the same with Sandy Hook to avoid lawsuits/prosecution that they set him up for. It's sad, but that doesn't mean we have to fall for the bullshit.

Your "ilk" simply means people who think Trump actually ended up having sex with one of Epstein's underage sex slaves even tho you have no evidence.. there is no proof of that, yet you keep telling me I have no proof he didn't.. There will NEVER be "proof" he didn't because that is impossible, you can't prove yourself innocent.. but he wasn't on the flight manifests and Bill Clinton was.. 27 fucking times.. If you think they took Trump off the manifests, or kept him off, but they put the young girls and Clinton on there, you are fucking insane.. That's about it.

Zippyjuan
07-27-2019, 02:32 PM
Dude, I posted a quote of Alefantis himself saying he has a basement under Comet Pizza.. I have seen video of the tunnels under Comet Pizza first hand.. There is no question he was lying about that.

Seeing a video is not seeing something "first hand". I could post a video of my grandfather's basement and claim it was the pizza joint.


Dude, I posted a quote of Alefantis himself saying he has a basement under Comet Pizza..

Part of the quote. In the rest of the article you learn he was talking about the basement at Buck's Fishing and Camping- his other restaurant. That one does have a basement. Conspiracy supporters leave that detail off. How about some context for you instead of just carefully selected bits?


Like Pastan, James Alefantis, owner of Comet Ping Pong, doesn’t build his pizza sauce with DOP San Marzanos. For seven years, he has been buying late-harvest tomatoes from Toigo Orchards in Shippensburg, Pa., and canning them at nearby Stello Foods for use at Comet. Last year, Alefantis estimates, he bought 12 tons of Toigo tomatoes, which Stello turned into sauce and canned before trucking the jars to the basement at Buck’s Fishing & Camping, Alefantis’s other restaurant just a few steps down the block on Connecticut Avenue NW.

Alefantis views his choice of tomato not as a dismissal of San Marzanos from Italy but as a reflection of his drive to build a more District-oriented pizza, one that would rely only on regional ingredients. Comet’s lightly cooked sauce is created from a combination of tomatoes, including heirlooms (such as Brandywines), beefsteaks, romas and some Pennsylvania-grown San Marzanos, says farmer Mark Toigo of Toigo Orchards.

Toigo says the Brandywines and beefsteaks help add much-needed moisture to the sauce. Toigo, for one, finds San Marzanos a tad too meaty for sauce. (You can test that theory yourself with Toigo’s San Marzanos, which he will start selling next month — if they’re ripe enough — at the FreshFarm Markets in Dupont Circle and Penn Quarter.)

Alefantis’s efforts to preserve the tomato flavors of the mid-Atlantic year-round carry an inherent risk: The pizzeria might run out of the sauce. “We’ll probably be out in the next few weeks,” Alefantis predicts about the current batch. “So for a few weeks, we’ll be making our own sauces.” Comet will rely on canned San Marzanos for the stopgap sauce, he adds.

Supplies notwithstanding, one of the significant differences between Comet’s pizza sauce and one made with DOP San Marzanos is consistency. Chefs and cooks say that San Marzanos maintain a consistent flavor and texture, year in and year out. Comet’s pizza sauce, because it’s built from tomatoes that vary from year to year, can taste different each season, which is not a problem for Alefantis. He views his sauce as tantamount to wine: It will naturally fluctuate depending on agricultural conditions. Stello will soon be jarring Comet pizza sauce, vintage 2013.

As Toigo notes, heirlooms such as Brandywines carry a lot of moisture, which is largely why cooks prefer to use them in salads and sandwiches rather than in sauces. But as Jeffrey Buben demonstrates to me, heirloom tomatoes may also have the wrong flavor profile for a pasta or pizza sauce. The chef-restaurateur behind Bistro Bis, Vidalia and Woodward Table slices a couple of heirlooms to illustrate his point. Both varieties — Buben isn’t certain what kind they are — have a far fruitier flavor than a typical plum tomato. One tastes almost like a melon. To make a good tomato sauce, Buben emphasizes, you need a fruit whose flavor most diners would identify as “tomato.”


https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/food/san-marzanos-the-bible-of-tomatoes/2013/08/12/85485c1a-fa32-11e2-9bde-7ddaa186b751_story.html

Article is from 2013- well before PizzaGate. It was asking different pizza places what sort of tomatoes they prefer to make their sauces from.

As Paul Harvey used to say, "And now you know the rest of the story!"

dannno
07-27-2019, 03:51 PM
Seeing a video is not seeing something "first hand". I could post a video of my grandfather's basement and claim it was the pizza joint.


I said I saw the video first hand - they went to Comet Pizza in the video. Then they went around back. Then they went down into the tunnels. The whole process was filmed.

Plus, Alefantis already admitted he has a basement under Comet Pizza.. which is less convincing for me since I already saw the hard evidence in the video, but youtube deleted the video. It may be available elsewhere, I'm not sure.

Zippyjuan
07-27-2019, 03:57 PM
Sigh. Never let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy. Yes, he had a basement he stored tomatoes in. But it wasn't at Comet Ping Pong.


Last year, Alefantis estimates, he bought 12 tons of Toigo tomatoes, which Stello turned into sauce and canned before trucking the jars to the basement at Buck’s Fishing & Camping, Alefantis’s other restaurant just a few steps down the block on Connecticut Avenue NW.

But obviously nothing will change your mind on the subject.

dannno
07-27-2019, 03:59 PM
Part of the quote. In the rest of the article you learn he was talking about the basement at Buck's Fishing and Camping- his other restaurant. That one does have a basement. Conspiracy supporters leave that detail off. How about some context for you instead of just carefully selected bits?

I looked up their menu, that restaurant doesn't serve pizza. Why would they keep the tomato sauce at the other restaurant when they could keep it at the pizza place where they use a lot of it, and they have a basement??

dannno
07-27-2019, 04:00 PM
Sigh. Never let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy. Yes, he had a basement he stored tomatoes in. But it wasn't at Comet Ping Pong.

What facts?? Why would they keep their years worth of tomato sauce at a restaurant that doesn't serve pizza when there is a basement at the place where they serve pizza?

Zippyjuan
07-27-2019, 04:11 PM
I looked up their menu, that restaurant doesn't serve pizza. Why would they keep the tomato sauce at the other restaurant when they could keep it at the pizza place where they use a lot of it, and they have a basement??

Because it has space. Can't store ten tons of tomatoes if you don't have a basement. It is practically next door- there is one small shop in between (the Little Red Fox).

I think I found the video you said you watched. As best I can tell, they found a tunnel near Chevy Chase Pediatrics Hospital which they say was almost half a mile from the pizza place. (see 6:03 in the video for map). They do not say the tunnels led them to the pizza place. Other than some old furniture from homeless people, there was no evidence the tunnel had been used for anything in a long time.

See also the screen at 6:40.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMGGSY0A8r8&t=363s

Swordsmyth
07-27-2019, 04:14 PM
So you think Epstein only was a pedophile on one island?

That isn't the point, the point is that catching a ride to the city you live in isn't the same as catching a ride to a place dedicated to pedophilia.

timosman
07-27-2019, 04:17 PM
But obviously nothing will change your mind on the subject.

What would change your mind on the subject? :confused:

Zippyjuan
07-27-2019, 04:21 PM
What would change your mind on the subject? :confused:

Proven facts. Even the guy who went in and shot up the place was disappointed he could not find any basement. He went there with the intent of proving the fake story and rescuing any kids there. That was the event which convinced Alex Jones to drop the story.

dannno
07-27-2019, 07:17 PM
Because it has space. Can't store ten tons of tomatoes if you don't have a basement. It is practically next door- there is one small shop in between (the Little Red Fox).

I think I found the video you said you watched. As best I can tell, they found a tunnel near Chevy Chase Pediatrics Hospital which they say was almost half a mile from the pizza place. (see 6:03 in the video for map). They do not say the tunnels led them to the pizza place. Other than some old furniture from homeless people, there was no evidence the tunnel had been used for anything in a long time.

See also the screen at 6:40.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMGGSY0A8r8&t=363s

Did you mean to not mention the tunnel in that video behind Besta Pizza, the other pizza place on the same block implicated in all of this? And the tunnel they go in to a half block away is a tunnel that goes under the entire block.. so there are other entrances under there, all of the buildings have access to the tunnel.

Alefantis also posted pictures of the tunnels under his restaurant on his social media.

jmdrake
07-28-2019, 06:31 AM
Dude, I posted a quote of Alefantis himself saying he has a basement under Comet Pizza.. I have seen video of the tunnels under Comet Pizza first hand.. There is no question he was lying about that. I don't care what Alex Jones had to say to get the $#@!ing full force of the law off his back so he didn't get his ass sued into oblivion, since they were blaming him for the false flag.. They set him up, he had to $#@!ing fold. He had to do the same with Sandy Hook to avoid lawsuits/prosecution that they set him up for. It's sad, but that doesn't mean we have to fall for the bull$#@!.

Perhaps Alefantis was pulling your leg. Why did Alex Jones apologize? There were aspects of the story that are true. There are aspects of the story that are false. And you are certifiably insane. You believe Trump nuked the United States. That is an impeachable offense.



Your "ilk" simply means people who think Trump actually ended up having sex with one of Epstein's underage sex slaves even tho you have no evidence.


You are a lying sack of puss. I never said Trump raped anybody. I don't know if he did or if he didn't. I don't know if Bill Clinton did or if he didn't. I don't know if Allen Dershewitz did or if he didn't. All of them have been accused of raping one of Epstein's slaves. And the accusations themselves have been the "evidence." We know these girls were sex slaves. And their eyewitness testimony is direct evidence. Rides on airplanes are circumstantial evidence. (You are too ignorant to know the difference.)

Now what there is no evidence of is your bullshyt assertion that Trump nuked some "rogue military unit" that was holding 1,000 sex slaves. You have zero evidence of that. None. Nada. It's pure made up BS and you know it. Check yourself into a mental institution dude.

jmdrake
07-28-2019, 06:36 AM
By the way, for dannno and Swordsmyth, this is why I believe Trump kicked Epstein out for hitting on a friend's daughter instead of hitting on an employee. It's based on a video (no longer available) posted by donnay in defense of Trump!

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?509858-Alex-Jones-%91playing-a-character-%92-says-lawyer&p=6456930&viewfull=1#post6456930

So my "ilk" are people who follow the evidence where it leads as opposed to believing every fantasy that comes along to fit my world view. Dannno, have you noticed that nobody else is defending your "Trump tactically nuked the United States to save the children" argument? Nobody!

donnay
07-28-2019, 08:46 AM
By the way, for dannno and Swordsmyth, this is why I believe Trump kicked Epstein out for hitting on a friend's daughter instead of hitting on an employee. It's based on a video (no longer available) posted by donnay in defense of Trump!

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?509858-Alex-Jones-%91playing-a-character-%92-says-lawyer&p=6456930&viewfull=1#post6456930

So my "ilk" are people who follow the evidence where it leads as opposed to believing every fantasy that comes along to fit my world view. Dannno, have you noticed that nobody else is defending your "Trump tactically nuked the United States to save the children" argument? Nobody!


Jeffrey Epstein turned Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago into another of his hunting grounds for young girls, leading Trump to bar him from the Florida resort, court papers claim.

“Trump allegedly banned Epstein from his Maralago Club in West Palm Beach because Epstein sexually assaulted a girl at the club,” according to the papers, filed in the Sunshine State as part of an ongoing legal battle between Epstein and Bradley Edwards, who represented many of Epstein’s underage accusers in civil suits against him.

The filing is dated April 2011, well before Trump ascended to the presidency.

The same filing also cites an underage Jane Doe’s allegation that Epstein’s girlfriend-turned-pal Ghislane Maxwell recruited her at Mar-a-Lago to be the couple’s “sex slave.”
https://nypost.com/2019/07/09/trump-barred-jeffrey-epstein-from-mar-a-lago-over-sex-assault-court-docs/

jmdrake
07-28-2019, 09:44 AM
https://nypost.com/2019/07/09/trump-barred-jeffrey-epstein-from-mar-a-lago-over-sex-assault-court-docs/

Right. But the YouTube video that you posted back in 2017, which is no longer available unfortunately, said the underage girl was a daughter of one of Trump's friends. There are two stories out there about who the girl was that caused Trump to ban Epstein. What is not debatable is that after banning Epstein, Trump called him a "really great guy" who "likes em on the younger side." Sick. Just sick.

donnay
07-28-2019, 10:19 AM
Right. But the YouTube video that you posted back in 2017, which is no longer available unfortunately, said the underage girl was a daughter of one of Trump's friends. There are two stories out there about who the girl was that caused Trump to ban Epstein. What is not debatable is that after banning Epstein, Trump called him a "really great guy" who "likes em on the younger side." Sick. Just sick.

I think the focus should be on the dirt bag Epstein. I think there are a lot of famous people that will be expose--especially coming out of Hollyweird and The District of Criminals. Since President Trump took office, over 1500 pedophiles have been arrested (https://anonhq.com/pedophiles-arrested/)--MSM is silent.

People like Robert DeNiro, Bette Midler, Cher and many other Hollyweirdoes are especially nervous and jerky since Weinstein and Epstein have been arrested. The Democrats and some Neocons have tried to thwart President Trump at every turn and cause diversions simply to divide this country. It's so much easier to take a country over that way.

jmdrake
07-28-2019, 10:27 AM
I think the focus should be on the dirt bag Epstein. I think there are a lot of famous people that will be expose--especially coming out of Hollyweird and The District of Criminals. Since President Trump took office, over 1500 pedophiles have been arrested (https://anonhq.com/pedophiles-arrested/)--MSM is silent.

People like Robert DeNiro, Bette Midler, Cher and many other Hollyweirdoes are especially nervous and jerky since Weinstein and Epstein have been arrested. The Democrats and some Neocons have tried to thwart President Trump at every turn and cause diversions simply to divide this country. It's so much easier to take a country over that way.

I think the focus should be on wherever the investigation goes. Epstein didn't do this by himself. And Trump actually committed a crime by not reporting Epstein. Seriously if you believe Trump banned Epstein from groping a Trump employee than Trump and a reporting requirement which he failed to do. If Trump banned Epstein for him hitting on a daughter of another guest, then that's less likely to be criminal because her father could and should have reported the crime. Trump is a puppet.

donnay
07-28-2019, 10:37 AM
I think the focus should be on wherever the investigation goes. Epstein didn't do this by himself. And Trump actually committed a crime by not reporting Epstein. Seriously if you believe Trump banned Epstein from groping a Trump employee than Trump and a reporting requirement which he failed to do. If Trump banned Epstein for him hitting on a daughter of another guest, then that's less likely to be criminal because her father could and should have reported the crime. Trump is a puppet.

The report that Trump made came from the Palm Beach Sheriff's office against Epstein. I think the presumption of innocence is here (and should be), and when the trial happens these things will all come out. Of course that is if Epstein isn't suicided before that ever happens--then one would have to wonder, is it Trump trying to cover up things or the Clinton's?

Alternative School
07-28-2019, 10:47 AM
Trump is a side bet of the Deep State

donnay
07-28-2019, 11:49 AM
Trump is a side bet of the Deep State

LOL! Then they are too arrogant to see he is exposing them. In the end, truth will prevail.

dannno
07-28-2019, 01:50 PM
they found a tunnel near Chevy Chase Pediatrics Hospital which they say was almost half a mile from the pizza place. (see 6:03 in the video for map).


It's less than 1.5 blocks, google maps says it is 0.2 miles (less than a quarter mile) from Comet Pizza. It is also on the same street. The tunnel goes through the commercial area, and below comet pizza as well as other businesses in the area that were involved in the child sex trafficking. They put it near a pediatrics hospital so they could bring them in secretly through the tunnels in case one of the kids needed care.




See also the screen at 6:40.


See the screen right after that.



Proven facts. Even the guy who went in and shot up the place was disappointed he could not find any basement. He went there with the intent of proving the fake story and rescuing any kids there. That was the event which convinced Alex Jones to drop the story.


Perhaps Alefantis was pulling your leg. Why did Alex Jones apologize? There were aspects of the story that are true. There are aspects of the story that are false.

The reason Alex Jones had to drop the story was because there was a false flag, they sent somebody there to shoot up the place and Alex Jones was afraid they were going to hold him liable if something worse happened and so he disavowed it before they could do a worse false flag where somebody actually got hurt.

In this case, the only thing that was hurt was the potential FBI investigation into Alefantis' pedo website that was being run from the server room in Comet Pizza.. and the shooter went in there and shot the hard drive that had the evidence:

https://steemitimages.com/p/2ufhwNX7NioM6UQbnBdXfntVH8Y1vWDSagWYFXg17YGu33t2UJ JMEkbY7DByvZnr7Yitb9Uaa?format=match&mode=fit&width=640

C'mon, I know zippy isn't allowed to say it, but jmdrake, you have to know that was a false flag.. You have to know something was up there. The FBI had in hand from a hacker the evidence that they had a hidden section on their website for child porn. We all knew this before the false flag happened, we knew the evidence had been turned over, we were just waiting for him to be arrested hopefully.. then the false flag happened and it pissed everybody off because there was no reason to go do what he did.




And you are certifiably insane. You believe Trump nuked the United States. That is an impeachable offense.

No it isn't.. They were a rogue military unit within the US borders not obeying order from the Commander and Chief, and additionally they murdered several high level intelligence officers. A tactical nuke is not the same as a city leveling nuke, and it was all underground.






I don't know if Bill Clinton did or if he didn't.


Bill Clinton and Rachel Chandler on the Lolita Express:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPDgk3SUEAAXAvL.jpg

Alternative School
07-28-2019, 02:55 PM
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Alternative School
07-28-2019, 03:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3qIeNKNru8&t=38s

dannno
07-28-2019, 03:07 PM
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We are all aware that Epstein tried to get Trump to go to his island. The guy literally stalked Trump. Tried to be his best friend. The fact is, Trump never went to the island or implicated himself. He knew it was a honeypot. Epstein was blackmailing rich people and politicians, he wasn't just running a sex trafficking ring. Trump only kept his friendship with him to get dirt on others. After Epstein went after a young girl at his resort, he kicked him out of his resort.

dannno
07-28-2019, 03:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3qIeNKNru8&t=38s

That case was dropped, it was a fabrication (the one with the 13 year old girl and Trump)

Alternative School
07-28-2019, 03:17 PM
Do you have any evidence that it was a fabrication, if you do I would love to read it.

Alternative School
07-28-2019, 03:21 PM
We are all aware that Epstein tried to get Trump to go to his island. The guy literally stalked Trump. Tried to be his best friend. The fact is, Trump never went to the island or implicated himself. He knew it was a honeypot. Epstein was blackmailing rich people and politicians, he wasn't just running a sex trafficking ring. Trump only kept his friendship with him to get dirt on others. After Epstein went after a young girl at his resort, he kicked him out of his resort.
Ok i'll bite. If this is true then Trump is guilty for not reporting child abuse. He is a man with resources, he could have taken out an ad like he did with the central five.

dannno
07-28-2019, 03:28 PM
Ok i'll bite. If this is true then Trump is guilty for not reporting child abuse. He is a man with resources, he could have taken out an ad like he did with the central five.

Trump didn't have direct evidence, he just knew what was going on around him, these young girls hanging around, and how Epstein was trying to get him to go to his Island all the time. He also knew it was high-level shit, Epstein turns out was backed by a foreign intelligence agency (likely Mossad). You can't blame Trump for not going up against that as a private citizen. He was smart and waited until he was President.

Zippyjuan
07-28-2019, 03:36 PM
Do you have any evidence that it was a fabrication, if you do I would love to read it.

https://www.vox.com/2019/7/9/20686347/jeffrey-epstein-trump-bill-clinton


The Katie Johnson lawsuit: This is the only accusation against Trump for Epstein-related wrongdoing. An anonymous woman sued Trump in 2016, claiming that in 1994, he violently raped her at an orgy hosted by Epstein. She said she was 13 years old at the time, and accused Epstein of raping her as well. She first filed suit in California under the name “Katie Johnson,” and when it was thrown out there for technical reasons, she filed it in New York under “Jane Doe.”

But many journalists were wary about this claim. There was no corroborating evidence offered (except for affidavits from two anonymous people claiming to have been told of or witnessed it), and the suit appeared “to have been orchestrated by an eccentric anti-Trump campaigner with a record of making outlandish claims about celebrities,” the Guardian’s Jon Swaine wrote. Jezebel’s Anna Merlan tried for some time to get to the bottom of what was going on and concluded in June 2016, “The facts speak less to a scandal and more, perhaps, to an attempt at a smear.”

Trump himself said, “The allegations are not only categorically false, but disgusting at the highest level and clearly framed to solicit media attention or, perhaps, are simply politically motivated.”

All that was before the Access Hollywood tape and before many women had spoken out publicly to accuse Trump of sexual assault. But even after that, the anonymity of “Katie Johnson” and the sketchiness of her associates kept mainstream US journalists wary about this accusation. She ended up withdrawing her lawsuit days before the 2016 election; her attorney Lisa Bloom said it was because she was getting death threats.

One look. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/07/donald-trump-sexual-assault-lawsuits-norm-lubow


Rape lawsuits against Donald Trump linked to former TV producer

Lawsuits accusing Donald Trump of sexually assaulting a child in the 1990s appear to have been orchestrated by an eccentric anti-Trump campaigner with a record of making outlandish claims about celebrities.

Norm Lubow, a former producer on the Jerry Springer TV show, has previously been involved with disputed allegations that OJ Simpson bought illegal drugs on the day Simpson’s wife was murdered, and that Kurt Cobain’s widow had the Nirvana frontman killed.

Court filings in California and New York against Trump, purportedly on behalf of a woman using the name Katie Johnson, have in recent weeks alleged that the presumptive Republican presidential nominee raped Johnson when she was 13. Trump vehemently denies the allegations.

A publicist using the pseudonym “Al Taylor” is acting as a representative for Johnson, and has been shopping around to media outlets a video of a woman who wears a disguise while recounting the allegations against Trump. “Taylor” said in telephone calls last month that he was seeking $1m for the tape. Jezebel has published a segment of the video along with a detailed account of how the allegations against Trump were being pushed to reporters.

A telephone number and an email address used by “Taylor” have also been used by Lubow, according to three sources who have worked with them. A longtime associate of Lubow also told the Guardian that Lubow used the identity “Al Taylor”.

“Taylor” told the Guardian that he helped the alleged victim Johnson put together her first lawsuit against Trump, which was filed in California earlier this year. “She is a friend of mine,” he said, declining to make her available for interview.

He then became threatening when asked more about his motivations in seeking the money for the video and about his true identity. “Just be warned: we’ll sue you if we don’t like what you write,” he said. “We’ll sue your ass, own your ass and own your newspaper’s ass as well, punk.”

In 2011, “Al Taylor” claimed to cable news channels and gossip websites that he was negotiating a $1m deal for an exclusive TV interview with Casey Anthony, who was acquitted in a high-profile trial in Florida of killing her young daughter. Anthony’s attorneys denied the claims and the interview never took place.

The Guardian has established that a photograph supplied to those media outlets to illustrate the interviews, purporting to be of “Al Taylor”, was in fact a picture of Al Bowman, a minor Hollywood promoter who has known Lubow for more than 20 years. Bowman, also a former Jerry Springer Show producer, claims to have been a chauffeur to celebrities such as Whitney Houston.

In telephone interviews, Bowman insisted that he knew nothing about the lawsuits against Trump. Bowman said he actually supported Trump’s campaign for president and intended to vote for him – a claim backed up by a series of pro-Trump postings in past months on his personal Facebook page. Bowman’s accent and tone of voice appeared not to match that used by “Taylor” during the 2011 cable news interviews and in recent phone calls.

Bowman eventually said he knew the true identity of the man involved in the action against Trump, and that it was a former colleague of his. “Al Taylor’s real name is Norm Lubow,” he said.

Speaking about the lawsuit against Trump, “Al Taylor” first introduced himself to the Guardian as “the attorney in California”, before later clarifying that he was not a lawyer. “My brother and sister were attorneys,” he said. Lubow’s brother Owen is an attorney, as was their late sister Barbara. A message left for Owen Lubow was not returned.

There are further detailed connections between Lubow and “Al Taylor”. An email address for Norm Lubow that was provided by Bowman matched an email address that, according to two sources who have done business with “Al Taylor”, is also used by “Taylor”. A telephone number for Lubow provided by Bowman matched a number used by one of these sources for reaching “Taylor”. A separate cellphone number used by “Taylor”, which was listed on the California lawsuit against Trump, has the same area code, 760, which covers the city of Palm Desert – Lubow’s last known address.

Lubow, 55, did not return a subsequent series of telephone calls, text messages, emails and online messages over the past two weeks seeking confirmation that he was indeed “Al Taylor”. Past media reports have also identified “Taylor” as a spokesman for the Erotic Heritage Museum and the Hustler strip club, both in Las Vegas. Messages left for “Taylor” at both the museum and the club were not returned.

Statements made by Lubow over the past two decades on a variety of topics have been called into question.

In 2014, using his comic pro-marijuana pseudonym Reverend Bud Green, Lubow claimed to have arranged the replacement of US flags on the Brooklyn Bridge with white flags. The following month, however, German artists came forward with video evidence that they in fact were behind the stunt.

In 1998, guests on Springer’s notoriously wild talkshow alleged that Lubow had encouraged them behind the scenes to stage fights and invent outrageous stories during recordings of the program. The allegation was denied by Lubow and other show staff.

Also in 1998, Lubow appeared wearing a disguise in the controversial documentary film Kurt and Courtney under the name “Jack Briggs” alongside Bowman, the minor Hollywood promoter whose photograph was later used by “Al Taylor” for television interviews. Bowman said “Briggs” was Lubow.

In the film, director Nick Broomfield said Lubow and Bowman had introduced him to Eldon “El Duce” Hoke, a Seattle-based musician who claimed Courtney Love offered him $50,000 to kill her husband Kurt Cobain, the singer and guitarist in the rock band Nirvana. The allegation about Hoke, which became lore among some Nirvana fans following Cobain’s suicide in 1994, was denied by Love.

According to the New York Post, in 1995 Lubow, using the name “Ron X”, also claimed to tabloids that he had sold drugs to OJ Simpson on the day Simpson’s estranged wife Nicole Brown was murdered. Lubow denied the Post’s report.

An attorney brought in to file Katie Johnson’s lawsuit against Trump in New York said any issues around the credibility of “Al Taylor” should not cast doubt on Johnson’s allegations.

The attorney, Thomas Meagher, a patent and intellectual property attorney who said he had never been involved in a case of this kind before. Meagher said he became involved after reading on a minor gossip website that Johnson’s legal action in California had faltered and that she was seeking representation. Meagher acknowledged that “Al Taylor” was acting as a go-between for the woman said to be suing Trump.

Their federal lawsuit filed last month in New York alleges that Johnson, identified this time as “Jane Doe”, was sexually assaulted by Trump in 1994 at the Manhattan home of Jeffrey Epstein, the disgraced financier – and associate of the UK’s Prince Andrew – who was jailed in Florida in 2008 for soliciting sex from an underage girl.

The New York lawsuit was accompanied by a supporting affidavit from a woman using the name “Tiffany Doe”, who claims to have worked for Epstein at the time and procured the young girl for the two men. The allegations made in the suit have been reported by several media outlets.

The legal action in Manhattan follows a near-identical suit in California that made the same allegations against Trump and Epstein. That case was promptly thrown out after a federal judge ruled that the complaint cited statutes that did not apply to it. Epstein has through representatives also denied the allegations.

Alan Garten, an attorney for the Trump Organization, described the allegations against Trump as “a complete fabrication” that appeared to be politically motivated. “This is basically a sham lawsuit brought by someone who desires to impact the presidential election,” said Garten.

Trump’s team said the lawsuit was badly flawed. “I don’t even know if there is a plaintiff,” said Garten. “I don’t know a lawyer worthy of the bar who would put his name to this lawsuit.” Meagher, however, insisted that he had met the plaintiff and separately spoken to her over video-conference. “She definitely exists,” said Meagher.

After repeated questions to “Al Taylor” asking him to confirm he was Norm Lubow went ignored, a text message was eventually sent to the Guardian from a cellphone previously answered several times by “Taylor”.

It said: “This is Katie Johnson. Why do you keep asking for [Lubow]. I do not know and have never met anybody by this name. If you are really a reporter like you claim are and not just a crank call like thousands of other calls I have gotten since my phone number was published throughout the world, then why don’t you ask how it feels to have the pervert who raped me when I was only 13 years running for President of this great country?

“It sickens me every time I see his evil face on TV. I am not after money, I want revenge for what this evil pedophile did to me. He doesn’t deserve to be President, he deserves to be in jail...

If you really are a reporter like you told my attorney Tom Meagher, then please publish my statement for the millions of other Rape Victims who have no voice. Thank you, Katie Johnson.”

dannno
07-28-2019, 03:40 PM
Do you have any evidence that it was a fabrication, if you do I would love to read it.

There's actually no evidence I'm aware of who she is or if she even exists.. the address she used for the lawsuit turned out to be an abandoned property. She filed another suit in NY, and allegedly it was the same girl.

I think it was just fabricated as a way for Democrats to get headlines - they didn't actually want the case to move forward because they didn't have any actual evidence or a real victim.

Zippyjuan
07-28-2019, 03:56 PM
Do you have any evidence that it was a fabrication, if you do I would love to read it.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/3/13501364/trump-rape-13-year-old-lawsuit-katie-johnson-allegation


The lawsuit accusing Trump of raping a 13-year-old girl, explained

Fifteen women have now gone on record to say that Donald Trump sexually assaulted them. Out of all of their stories, one is the most explosive and bizarre — a woman who says Trump violently raped her at an orgy when she was just 13 years old. But the horrific details of her accusation have gotten the least attention.

It seemed like that was all going to change Wednesday, when the woman, who has gone by the pseudonyms “Katie Johnson” and “Jane Doe,” was set to appear at a press conference at the law offices of Lisa Bloom, a high-profile civil rights attorney and TV commentator. But the woman didn’t come to the press conference. Bloom told a room full of waiting reporters that Johnson was afraid to show her face after receiving multiple death threats, and that they would have to reschedule.

Then on Friday, Bloom announced that Johnson had dropped her lawsuit:

It’s not uncommon for victims of sexual assault to want to preserve their anonymity, and dropping a lawsuit doesn’t mean admitting that the case had no merit. Jill Harth, who sued Trump for sexual assault in 1997, still stands by her claims even though she dropped the lawsuit. And it would indeed have been an intense couple of days for Johnson — Bloom said that her firm’s website was hacked, that Anonymous had claimed responsibility, and that death threats and a bomb threat came in afterwards.

It was the end of an incredibly strange case that featured an anonymous plaintiff who had refused almost all requests for interviews, two anonymous corroborating witnesses whom no one in the press had spoken to, and a couple of seriously shady characters — with an anti-Trump agenda and a penchant for drama — who had aggressively shopped the story around to media outlets for over a year.

Those shady characters — a former reality TV producer who calls himself “Al Taylor” and a “Never Trump” conservative activist named Steve Baer — had been mostly unsuccessful in getting the media to bite. There are a few very good reasons for that, which the Huffington Post’s Ryan Grim succinctly summed up: Taylor and Baer have been really sketchy about the whole thing, and since the accuser is anonymous, journalists can’t do anything to verify her claims. The only journalist who has actually interviewed Johnson, Emily Shugerman at Revelist, came away confused and even doubting whether Johnson really exists.

Since a tape of Trump bragging about sexual assault came out in early October, a dozen named women have come forward with credible, similar-sounding allegations of Trump forcibly kissing or groping them in exactly the way he described on that tape. Johnson’s case was an outlier, with far more salacious allegations from a source that seems far less credible.

But Trump was still scheduled to answer those allegations in front of a judge on December 16. Now that’s not going to happen. And we may never learn anything more about the matter, unless and until Johnson decides to break her silence.

Johnson claimed that Trump violently raped her when she was 13 at a 1994 orgy hosted by Jeffrey Epstein — the billionaire who was convicted in 2008 of soliciting an underage girl for prostitution and has been accused of having sex with more than 30 underage girls.

Johnson’s lawsuit mentioned Trump’s friendship with Epstein, and a comment Trump made in 2002 about their respective tastes in women: “I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”

The lawsuit alleged a number of charges against both Trump and Epstein, including rape, sexual abuse, assault and battery, and false imprisonment. Johnson said that when she was 13, Epstein lured her to parties at his apartment by promising “money and a modeling career.”

Johnson said Trump had sexual contact with her at four of those parties, including tying her to a bed and violently raping her in a “savage sexual attack.” The lawsuit said Johnson “loudly pleaded” with Trump to stop, but that he responded by “violently striking Plaintiff in the face with his open hand and screaming that he would do whatever he wanted.”

After that, Trump allegedly threatened to harm or kill Johnson and her family if she ever told anyone. Johnson said Trump told her he could make them “disappear” like Maria — a 12-year-old girl Johnson says Trump also forced her to have sexual contact with, and whom Johnson hadn’t seen since that encounter.

Johnson also accused Epstein of raping her “anally and vaginally despite her loud pleas to stop,” and that he “attempted to strike Plaintiff about the head with his closed fists while he angrily screamed that he, Defendant Epstein, rather than Defendant Trump, should have been the one who took Plaintiff’s virginity.”

The court filings also included a statement from “Tiffany Doe,” another anonymous woman, who said that she witnessed the rapes and procured the young girls for the parties, and “Joan Doe,” a classmate of the victim who said she was told about the rapes during the following school year. Tiffany Doe said that Epstein and Trump knew that Johnson was 13.

An earlier lawsuit Johnson filed against Trump was somewhat fishy
The lawsuit Johnson filed in New York was actually her second attempt to sue Trump and Epstein. The first was in California in April of this year, a claim Johnson filed herself that got thrown out on technical grounds — she’d filed a civil rights suit, but failed to actually state an applicable civil rights claim.

There were a couple of odd things about that lawsuit. The address listed on court documents as Johnson’s was actually a foreclosed, abandoned home, and the phone number was disconnected. Maybe Johnson was just using a fake address because she was homeless; she was, after all, also described as being indigent. But it’s fishy.

The lawsuit also described details that were so lurid — “almost cinematic in their depravity,” as Jezebel’s Anna Merlan put it — that they’re almost hard to believe. Some of those details were omitted from the second lawsuit, the New York Daily News reported:


Gone from the new lawsuit is an allegation that Trump threw money at the plaintiff for an abortion when she expressed fear about getting pregnant after being raped. Gone, too, is the allegation that Trump called co-defendant and accused pedophile and sex party host Jeffrey Epstein a “Jew bastard,” and her request for $100 million in damages.

But the details that remain in the second lawsuit — filed with the help of New Jersey patent attorney Thomas Meagher, who says he volunteered to take the case after reading about it — are still shocking.

“The allegations are not only categorically false, but disgusting at the highest level and clearly framed to solicit media attention or, perhaps, are simply politically motivated,” Trump told RadarOnline in April, after the first lawsuit was filed. “There is absolutely no merit to these allegations. Period.”

Johnson’s case has been promoted to the media in truly bizarre, suspicious ways

This spring, a man called “Al Taylor” sent a video of a woman with a blurred face and blonde wig (allegedly Johnson) recounting the allegations against Trump to news outlets, saying he wanted $1 million for it. Taylor, the Guardian reported, was actually Norm Lubow, a former producer on the Jerry Springer show who has a history of using fake names and disguises to make juicy, false claims about celebrities.

The lawsuit was promoted to the media by an anti-Trump, anti-abortion activist named Steve Baer, a conservative activist and donor with a very influential email list that he uses to relentlessly spam reporters and conservative power players. Baer, too, has a history of passing around “whoa if true” rumors: Last year, he was a key figure in spreading the notion that US Rep. Kevin McCarthy was having an extramarital affair with a woman in Congress when McCarthy was a candidate to become speaker of the House.

Baer told Emily Shugerman at Revelist that Taylor met Johnson at a party and asked her if she had any good celebrity gossip. When she talked about her assault, Taylor apparently didn’t want to touch the story at first, but then circled back with Johnson about it once Trump’s campaign started picking up steam.

To hear journalists who interacted with them tell it, Baer and Taylor come off as obnoxiously persistent in pushing the story, and infuriatingly evasive when asked for interviews with Johnson. Jezebel’s Anna Merlan published a long account of their bizarre antics.

Taylor in particular comes across as volatile and a little scary; Merlan reported that Taylor told her to “suck my dick” when she confronted him about his identity, and that he made harassing phone calls to other journalists. He also appears to have sent at least a few text messages and emails while posing as Katie Johnson — or at least messages that Meagher, Johnson’s attorney, denies that Johnson sent.

The Daily Beast’s Brandy Zadrozny also has a colorful story about the time Baer and Johnson had an epic public meltdown at each other — over Baer’s email list, cc’ing journalists all the way.

In short, these guys are a trainwreck. But they’ve basically been the public face of Katie Johnson for the last year.

Again, Revelist’s Emily Shugerman is the only journalist who has managed to interview Johnson. She says Meagher offered her the chance to interview Johnson over FaceTime from his office in Princeton, New Jersey. But Johnson apparently decided she didn’t want to do it after all, and the interview was canceled.

Three days later, close to midnight, Shugerman finally talked to Johnson over the phone in a conference call with Meagher. There were some odd things about that call, Shugerman writes:

Johnson's voice sounded muffled and far away when she answered — she said she was speaking softly because she didn’t want anyone to overhear her. Several times she paused mid-sentence, and I could hear her moving something.

"She has dogs," Meagher explained.

Shugerman says Johnson was “vague” in her descriptions of Epstein’s parties and how many people were there, and wouldn’t go into details about what she was asked to do. Some of the details she did give were consistent with descriptions of Epstein and his house Vicky Ward listed in a 2003 Vanity Fair profile — which could either lend credence to Johnson’s story, or suggest that “Johnson” just read the Vanity Fair story as research.

Most troublingly, a detective who worked with Epstein’s victims called into question a key part of Johnson’s story:

Hearing her answers that night, I had to remind myself that PTSD from sexual trauma is known to damage victims' memories — and that the parties she recalled allegedly happened more than two decades ago. But Mike Fisten, a retired Miami-Dade detective who conducted research for several of Epstein's victims, denied such parties ever even took place.

"Jeffery never had parties like described in their complaint," Fisten told me. "Jeffery had sex parties, for sure, with two or three girls … but never with other guys."

There were men in attendance at Epstein’s more large, lavish affairs, Fisten said, but nothing illicit ever happened at such events.

Meagher, Shugerman wrote, is eager to put the focus back on the alleged rape of a 13-year-old instead of focusing on the antics of Taylor and Baer. Anything else, Meagher told Shugerman, is "allowing the sins of others to be visited upon my client."

But until Johnson actually does break her silence in a bigger way, there are still a lot of questions yet to be answered.

“I don't know if the Katie Johnson I spoke to is the same girl who Trump allegedly raped in 1994, or if that girl even exists,” Shugerman concluded in her piece. “All I know is the reason why the woman I spoke to on July 11 chose to speak to me at all. ‘I just want to get justice,’ she told me. ‘I mean, these things happen to girls everywhere … I just want people to know.’”



There is a bit more at the link.

UWDude
07-28-2019, 04:04 PM
So, I called out the name of Bam, Iran, and said Iran had already conducted nuclear tests.
I also said that Israel does not have nuclear weapons.
Two days later, twin earthquakes near test areas.
Shafts dug over two decades ago, for just such a necessity.
Also, got to test nuke induced EMP weaponry and effects.

You will now see the forces of lies try to silence what I have seen.
Vanunu Mordechai. Trickster, jokester, Criminal hero, what a tan.

I was "corrected", but I know who is correct. Officially, Israel has no nuclear weapons. Unofficially, they are bluffing.
It had been over 20 years since a nuclear weapons test.
America had to make sure it was still operational.

No kids in cages were freed. Ridiculous.
And how psyoperational, to use the projected crimes of immigrant kids in cages to sell the idea of sex slave kids in cages.

Alternative School
07-28-2019, 04:14 PM
https://i.redd.it/5y41btsp1sa31.jpg

Swordsmyth
07-28-2019, 04:47 PM
Right. But the YouTube video that you posted back in 2017, which is no longer available unfortunately, said the underage girl was a daughter of one of Trump's friends. There are two stories out there about who the girl was that caused Trump to ban Epstein. What is not debatable is that after banning Epstein, Trump called him a "really great guy" who "likes em on the younger side." Sick. Just sick.
That was a way of attacking Epstein with plausible deniability.

timosman
07-28-2019, 04:49 PM
That was a way of attacking Epstein with plausible deniability.

Trump should have performed a citizen arrest. Nothing less would satisfy jmdrake.

Swordsmyth
07-28-2019, 04:54 PM
Trump is a side bet of the Deep State
They may have thought so.

Swordsmyth
07-28-2019, 04:55 PM
Trump should have performed a citizen arrest. Nothing less would satisfy jmdrake.
I doubt that would.

Alternative School
07-28-2019, 05:31 PM
That was a way of attacking Epstein with plausible deniability.
What?
https://i.redd.it/kxmedqs0e9j01.jpg

Swordsmyth
07-28-2019, 06:33 PM
What?
https://i.redd.it/kxmedqs0e9j01.jpg

It's hardly chess, more like checkers or tic tac toe.

Bringing up an embarrassing subject in "positive" words.

Alternative School
07-28-2019, 06:38 PM
It's hardly chess, more like checkers or tic tac toe.

Bringing up an embarrassing subject in "positive" words.
Arguing with you guys is like talking to Clinton supporters. Your too emotionally invested in him. He's betrayed you just like he betrayed his investors when he declared bankruptcy. This is what he does, he's a professional actor, he's a vessel and molds depending the situation. Look I realized that you invested time effort into this guy and you know what i'm happy you were able to make a difference but the ship is sinking.

Swordsmyth
07-28-2019, 06:41 PM
Arguing with you guys is like talking to Clinton supporters. Your too emotionally invested in him. He's betrayed you just like he betrayed his investors when he declared bankruptcy. This is what he does, he's a professional actor, he's a vessel and molds depending the situation. Look I realized that you invested time effort into this guy and you know what i'm happy you were able to make a difference but the ship is sinking.
Thanks for your concern.

Swordsmyth
07-28-2019, 06:59 PM
LOL! Then they are too arrogant to see he is exposing them. In the end, truth will prevail.

https://media.8ch.net/file_store/a36c34bd04079eb08c593c005ea877374d20d79fa093327d47 53e49926d8e548.jpg

Alternative School
07-28-2019, 06:59 PM
Look i'm new here but I don't understand how a Libertarian can with good conscience support him. What has he exactly done for you lately, please i'm actually reaching out here I would like to know?

UWDude
07-28-2019, 08:42 PM
Look i'm new here

you mean a new sock puppet

Swordsmyth
07-28-2019, 08:48 PM
Look i'm new here but I don't understand how a Libertarian can with good conscience support him. What has he exactly done for you lately, please i'm actually reaching out here I would like to know?
I doubt you are new but just for the benefit of anyone reading I will answer.

He has cut taxes, shredded regulations, fought back in the trade wars, started to secure the border and end the invasion, started to bring the troops home, and many other good things.

He is not perfect but he is the best President since Coolidge.

Alternative School
07-29-2019, 09:18 AM
He has cut taxes
This i'll concede.


shredded regulations
Including sensible environmental regulation.


fought back in the trade wars
He did a poor job at this. We are hurting ourselves more than them.


started to secure the border
and created a humanitarian disaster.


end the invasion
What invasion?


started to bring the troops home
While preparing to get us in a war with Iran.


best President since Coolidge
The only good thing about him is he's destroying trust in government.

Swordsmyth
07-29-2019, 04:47 PM
Including sensible environmental regulation.
Only an enviro-commie would say that.
Environmental regulations are a Federal power anyway.




He did a poor job at this. We are hurting ourselves more than them.
Wrong.




and created a humanitarian disaster.
Wrong, those who are helping the invaders and stopping better border/immigration enforcement are entirely responsible.



What invasion?
20-30 MILLION invaders and counting.




While preparing to get us in a war with Iran.
There won't be a war with Iran, he doesn't want one.




The only good thing about him is he's destroying trust in government.
Tell that to the people who won't get their money seized by the IRS because of the law he just signed.

He also got us out of the TPP and the Paris climate Accord, ended the O'Bummercare mandate and has the DoJ working to end O'Bummercare entirely.

And there are many more good things he has done too.

Alternative School
07-29-2019, 07:31 PM
Only an enviro-commie would say that.
Environmental regulations are a Federal power anyway.

Do you not understand the concept that pollution travels everywhere? I have every right not to inhale your smog. The fact that your calling me a Communist just shows your an uneducated person.

Wrong.
https://www.aljazeera.com/ajimpact/firms-consumers-paying-trump-trade-war-imf-190523155115952.html


Wrong, those who are helping the invaders and stopping better border/immigration enforcement are entirely responsible.
Who are you speaking of, if you going to point fingers please be clear who your pointing them at.


20-30 MILLION invaders and counting.
Definition of invasion

1: an act of invading (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/invading)especially : incursion of an army for conquest or plunder

2: the incoming or spread of something usually hurtful


https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/invasion


There won't be a war with Iran, he doesn't want one.
Then why is he arming Saudi Arabia?

Swordsmyth
07-29-2019, 07:45 PM
Do you not understand the concept that pollution travels everywhere? I have every right not to inhale your smog. The fact that your calling me a Communist just shows your an uneducated person.
It's not a federal power and almost all environmental regulation is excessive.


https://www.aljazeera.com/ajimpact/firms-consumers-paying-trump-trade-war-imf-190523155115952.html
Enemy propaganda.



Who are you speaking of, if you going to point fingers please be clear who your pointing them at.
Demoncrats and globalists.



Definition of invasion



1: an act of invading (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/invading)especially : incursion of an army for conquest or plunder

2: the incoming or spread of something usually hurtful


https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/invasion


2: the incoming or spread of something usually hurtful

invasion



n.
The act of invading, especially the entrance of an armed force into a territory to conquer. [especially doesn't mean exclusively and the invaders mean to conquer us]
n.
An intrusion or encroachment.

https://duckduckgo.com/assets/icons/favicons/wordnik.2x.pngMore at Wordnik (https://www.wordnik.com/words/invasion) from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition.


invasion


[ in-vey-zhuh n ]




|SEE MORE SYNONYMS FOR invasion ON THESAURUS.COM (https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/invasion)

noun

an act or instance of invading (https://www.dictionary.com/browse/invade) or entering as an enemy, especially by an army.[especially doesn't mean exclusively and the invaders mean to conquer us]

the entrance or advent of anything troublesome or harmful, as disease.

entrance as if to take possession or overrun

infringement by intrusion.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/invasion






Then why is he arming Saudi Arabia?




To take their money in order to help them collapse due to falling oil prices that he his helping along.

Alternative School
07-29-2019, 08:19 PM
Enemy propaganda.
Based on what?


Demoncrats
Are you even trying to take this seriously?

Let me ask you if we are being invaded then by whom, who is this foreign power and if they are invading them why do they do things like work jobs, would'nt that be counter intuitive for invaders to improve the nation they are invading?


To take their money in order to help them collapse due to falling oil prices that he his helping along.

This is your theory, really? Then why do we give them aid?



globalists
Everyone has their own term, personally I prefer "The Corporate Aristocracy". Whatever floats your boat.

Swordsmyth
07-29-2019, 08:30 PM
Based on what?
Charting China's Imminent Implosion (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?527613-Charting-China-s-Imminent-Implosion)
Boom. You can't out tariff us. Period. This Trump knows. (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?524098-Boom-You-can-t-out-tariff-us-Period-This-Trump-knows)
Read and learn, our economy is doing ok, China's is about to collapse.
And aljazeera.com is enemy propaganda.





Are you even trying to take this seriously?
I'm deadly serious, the Demoncrats have become the party of evil and they don't even try to hide it anymore.


Let me ask you if we are being invaded then by whom, who is this foreign power and if they are invading them why do they do things like work jobs, would'nt that be counter intuitive for invaders to improve the nation they are invading?
Mexico and other Latin American countries are encouraging the invasion (Trump is changing that) but you don't need a state sponsor to be an invader, they work jobs (not all of them do) to get money and they don't improve the country, they destroy it by voting for Demoncrat communists and committing crimes at a higher than normal rate in addition to getting welfare at a higher than normal rate.




This is your theory, really? Then why do we give them aid?
Geopolitics is complicated but Trump is doing more to destroy them than he is to help them and he has made it clear he doesn't want war with Iran.
(I saw the insult you hurled before you edited it)




Everyone has their own term, personally I prefer "The Corporate Aristocracy". Whatever floats your boat.
Globalists, they want a one world government and they promote the invasion to destroy America.

Alternative School
07-29-2019, 10:29 PM
I saw the insult you hurled before you edited it
Yes I regret that. Though I admit its very irritating how you keep giving me negative reputation. So you negative reputation from just one person. Don't you think its a bit much?

Swordsmyth
07-29-2019, 10:33 PM
Yes I regret that. Though I admit its very irritating how you keep giving me negative reputation. So you negative reputation from just one person. Don't you think its a bit much?
If I gave you as much as I could you would have many red bars by now.

PursuePeace
07-29-2019, 10:57 PM
Look I realized that you invested time effort into this guy and you know what i'm happy you were able to make a difference but the ship is sinking.


True.

https://grrrgraphics.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/democrats_hopes_sink.jpg

:frog:

Alternative School
07-30-2019, 08:27 AM
The Ship is sinking because Trump is a rapist.

devil21
07-30-2019, 11:38 AM
Arguing with you guys is like talking to Clinton supporters. Your too emotionally invested in him. He's betrayed you just like he betrayed his investors when he declared bankruptcy. This is what he does, he's a professional actor, he's a vessel and molds depending the situation. Look I realized that you invested time effort into this guy and you know what i'm happy you were able to make a difference but the ship is sinking.

You assume that support for Trump by certain posting accounts equals a desire to prevent the ship from sinking. Consider that perhaps the goal may, in fact, be the opposite.

dannno
07-30-2019, 11:57 AM
You assume that support for Trump by certain posting accounts equals a desire to prevent the ship from sinking. Consider that perhaps the goal may, in fact, be the opposite.

It's actually completely the opposite of what you just said..

From what I can tell, those who like Trump think he is the last hope. Maybe immigration will be low enough that we can save our country. If it's too high, we are gone. Maybe we can get Gen Z to be more conservative. Maybe we can get rid of the deep state and have a more honest government and monetary system. Maybe we can get out of these wars.. It doesn't seem likely, but at least there is a hope. It may be our last hope.

On the other hand, people who don't like Trump seem to want more immigrants, who will vote leftist, and bring us a socialist/communist state that will bring everything crashing down sooner than later.

timosman
07-30-2019, 01:16 PM
It's actually completely the opposite of what you just said..

From what I can tell, those who like Trump think he is the last hope. Maybe immigration will be low enough that we can save our country. If it's too high, we are gone. Maybe we can get Gen Z to be more conservative. Maybe we can get rid of the deep state and have a more honest government and monetary system. Maybe we can get out of these wars.. It doesn't seem likely, but at least there is a hope. It may be our last hope.

On the other hand, people who don't like Trump seem to want more immigrants, who will vote leftist, and bring us a socialist/communist state that will bring everything crashing down sooner than later.

Would you like to live through regime change? :tears:

dannno
07-30-2019, 01:20 PM
Would you like to live through regime change? :tears:

As opposed to being ruled by satanic pedophiles?

Zippyjuan
07-30-2019, 01:30 PM
As opposed to being ruled by satanic pedophiles?

Would you say we are today ruled by satanic pedophiles?

dannno
07-30-2019, 01:59 PM
Would you say we are today ruled by satanic pedophiles?

We are in a transition phase. Before Trump, yes. Now the power is shifting and Trump is about to take out the deep state.

Zippyjuan
07-30-2019, 02:05 PM
We are in a transition phase. Before Trump, yes. Now the power is shifting and Trump is about to take out the deep state.

Is that why he hired all those Deep State people to work for him?

dannno
07-30-2019, 02:20 PM
Is that why he hired all those Deep State people to work for him?

He was just trying to make the deep state feel comfortable while he consolidated power.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln52vYktx_I

Zippyjuan
07-30-2019, 02:25 PM
He was just trying to make the deep state feel comfortable while he consolidated power.



If you say so....

dannno
07-30-2019, 02:34 PM
If you say so....

That's what a lot of people have been saying all along, Mr. SSRI's Don't Cause Mass Shootings

Zippyjuan
07-30-2019, 02:49 PM
That's what a lot of people have been saying all along, Mr. SSRI's Don't Cause Mass Shootings

Yeah, because everybody who takes SSRIs becomes a mass shooter.

dannno
07-30-2019, 02:57 PM
Yeah, because everybody who takes SSRIs becomes a mass shooter.

Nobody ever said that everybody who takes SSRIs becomes a mass shooter, it's that the vast majority of mass shooters were on or had taken psychotropics.. and in most cases, SSRIs. I would be willing to wager most mass shootings are caused by psychological, auditory and visual hallucinations caused by SSRIs.

The reason people here don't trust you is because you make ridiculous comments like the one above.

timosman
07-30-2019, 02:59 PM
Nobody ever said that everybody who takes SSRIs becomes a mass shooter, it's that the vast majority of mass shooters were on or had taken psychotropics.. and in most cases, SSRIs. I would be willing to wager most mass shootings are caused by psychological, auditory and visual hallucinations caused by SSRIs.

The reason people here don't trust you is because you make ridiculous comments like the one above.

That's the usual Zippy's trick. Unless everybody is, nobody is. :tears:

Zippyjuan
07-30-2019, 03:00 PM
Nobody ever said that everybody who takes SSRIs becomes a mass shooter, it's that the vast majority of mass shooters were on or had taken psychotropics.. and in most cases, SSRIs. I would be willing to wager most mass shootings are caused by psychological, auditory and visual hallucinations caused by SSRIs.

The reason people here don't trust you is because you make ridiculous comments like the one above.

What percent of people who take SSRIs become killers? What percent of "mass killers" actually were on them? (seems anytime one gets posted somebody here claims they think the person must have been using them but which ones actually were?) Maybe you could go through this list and tells us how man were on SSRI's. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_201 9

If 13% of people take them, that is 43 million people. How many mass murderers are there?

dannno
07-30-2019, 03:03 PM
What percent of people who take SSRIs become killers? What percent of "mass killers" actually were on them? (seems anytime one gets posted somebody here claims they think the person must have been using them but which ones actually were?) Maybe you could go through this list and tells us how man were on SSRI's. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_201 9



Here are just some examples:

1989: Joseph T. Wesbecker (https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1989-09-18-8901140032-story.html) walked into his former employer Standard Gravure Corp and shot 20 workers, killing nine. He had been taking Prozac for a month. This shooting led to a landmark case, where the survivors sued the makers of Prozac, Eli Lilly. Wesbecker used a semiautomatic Chinese AK-47-style firearm, a 9mm (https://ammo.com/handgun/9mm-ammo) pistol, and a .38 Special (https://ammo.com/handgun/38-special-ammo) snubnose revolver – all of which he purchased legally, passing his background check (https://ammo.com/articles/background-checks-guide-history-nics-how-they-work).
1995: Jarred Viktor (https://ssristories.org/15-year-old-stabs-his-grandmother/) was 15 when he was prescribed Paxil. Ten days after starting it, Viktor stabbed his grandmother 61 times.
1996: At 18, Kurt Danysh (http://www.thepillthatsteals.com/blog/2017/1/14/guest-blog-from-kurt-danish) murdered his father just 17 days after being prescribed Prozac by his family doctor, who failed to do even one psychological test. During his police confession, Danysh told police the medication made him feel odd, “I just act differently. I don’t have the energy or personality I used to. I spend half the time in a trance.”
1997: Luke Woodham stabbed his mother, then traveled to Pearl High School, where he was enrolled, using a .30-30 (https://ammo.com/rifle/30-30-ammo) to shoot two students and wound six others; he was stopped by his assistant principal (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/full-stop/) (aka a good guy with a gun (https://ammo.com/articles/gun-ownership-in-america)) who used his own .45 ACP (https://ammo.com/handgun/45-auto-ammo) handgun to force Woodham’s surrender.
1998: 15-year-old Kip Kinkel (https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/kinkel/trial/#4) shot both of his parents, then carried a 9mm handgun, .22 (https://ammo.com/rimfire/22-lr-ammo) rifle, and a .22 pistol to his Thurston High School, where he murdered two classmates and injured 22 more, all while taking Prozac.
1999: Eric Harris (http://extras.denverpost.com/news/shot0504e.htm), 17, with Dylan Klebold, killed 12 students, one teacher, himself, and wounded 23 others during the Columbine school shooting; he had been prescribed Zoloft and then Luvox before he used a 12 gauge (https://ammo.com/shotgun/12-ga-ammo) shotgun received through a straw purchaser and a 9mm TEC-DC9.
2001: Christopher Pittman (http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/02/15/zoloft.trial/index.html), a 12-year-old, was prescribed Zoloft, which caused him to become agitated, jittery, and experience tactile hallucinations; Pittman told psychiatrist Dr. Lanette Atkins that he heard voices telling him, “Kill, kill, do it, do it.” He took a .410 (https://ammo.com/shotgun/410-ammo) shotgun and shot his grandparents, then burned their house down.
2001: Andrea Yates (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/09/AR2006070900582_pf.html) drowned all five of her children. She was taking Effexor and was suffering from delusions about satanic possession. The murder of her children led Effexor to list homicidal thoughts in the medication’s side effects. Although it’s a rare side effect, manifesting in one in 1,000 patients, over 19 million prescriptions were written and filled in 2005. That’s an estimated 19,000 people suffering from homicidal thoughts because of the medication.
2005: 16-year-old Jeff Weise (http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2005/03/25_helmsm_prozacfolo/) was taking 60 mg/day of Prozac, the highest dosage for adults, when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather’s girlfriend, murdered 10 students at Red Lake, Minnesota, and wounded 12 more, before shooting himself. He was armed with a .40 caliber (https://ammo.com/handgun/40-cal-ammo) pistol, .22 pistol, and a 12 gauge shotgun.
2008: Steven Kazmierczak (http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/02/20/shooter.girlfriend/index.html) was prescribed Prozac, Xanax, and Ambien, a sleeping medication, three weeks before walking into Northern Illinois University, killing six people and wounding 21, with three pistols (one chambered in 9mm and two in .380 ACP (https://ammo.com/handgun/380-acp-ammo)) and a shotgun. Kazmierczak had stopped taking the antidepressant “because it made him feel like a zombie.”
2009: Two weeks after starting Lexapro, Robert Stewart (https://www.cchrflorida.org/ssris-create-mass-murderers/) walked into his estranged wife’s work at Pinelake Health and Rehab, and opened fire. He killed eight elderly patients and wounded three others. He doesn’t remember the incident.
2012: James Holmes, also known as the Batman Movie killer (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/07/25/antidepressants-linked-murders-murderous-thoughts/), was taking sertraline when he walked into the showing of The Dark Knight with two .40 caliber pistols, an AR-style .223 (https://ammo.com/rifle/223-rem-ammo) rifle, and a 12 gauge shotgun, killing 12 people and injuring 70 others. In his personal notebook, which he sent to his psychiatrist the same day as the shooting, shows that as the medication decreased his anxiety, he lost his fear of consequences. As the dosage became higher, his thoughts became more obsessive and psychotic.
2013: At the time of the Washington Navy Yard shooting, Aaron Alexis (https://www.cchr.org/documentaries/the-hidden-enemy/navy-yard-shooter-was-on-antidepressant-trazodone.html) was a civilian contractor working at the yard and was prescribed trazodone, a serotonin antagonist and reuptake inhibitor (SARI) that works much like an SSRI to increase serotonin levels in the brain. He killed 12 people and injured eight others.
2014: Ivan Lopez (https://www.infowars.com/army-admits-fort-hood-shooter-was-on-psychiatric-drugs/) was a 34-year-old U.S. soldier who shot 15 of his comrades, killing three of them, at his base in Fort Hood, Texas. He was undergoing mental health treatment through the Veterans’ Administration, which is known for over-prescribing medication (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/veterans-dying-from-overmedication/). The VA confirmed that Lopez was taking antidepressants (the VA only uses SSRI antidepressants (https://www.infowars.com/army-admits-fort-hood-shooter-was-on-psychiatric-drugs/)) during the time of the shooting and his subsequent suicide.
2015: From the moment it occurred, the Charleston Church shooting (https://www.cnn.com/2017/02/02/us/dylann-roof-mental-disorders-competency/index.html) has been deemed an act of white supremacy, a race crime against blacks. But two years after Dylann Roof shot and killed nine people and injured another, the court released documents that show it was more mental health than hatred that led to the murders. The documents confirmed he was taking antidepressants (https://thefreethoughtproject.com/dylan-roof-records-antidepressants/).
2016: Arcan Cetin (https://www.cchrflorida.org/seattle-mall-shooter-was-on-psychiatric-drugs/), who was just 20 years old, walked into the Cascade Mall where he shot and killed four women, one just a teen, and shot one man, who later died at the hospital. Records show that Cetin was under the care of a psychiatrist and taking medication for depression and ADHD, including Prozac.



The list goes on and on. And with the implication of patient privacy laws, getting information on the medication and mental health diagnoses of people has become harder and harder, even with mounting evidence that there’s a connection between SSRI use and violence.

In 1996, the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (https://www.hhs.gov/hipaa/for-professionals/security/laws-regulations/index.html) commonly referred to as HIPAA, was set in place. HIPAA represents the U.S.’s first attempt at national regulations for the use and disclosure of a person’s personal health information, or PHI. HIPAA makes it more difficult for medical personnel to release information regarding a person’s medical care, diagnosis, and prescription drugs, including those involved with mental health related crimes.

For example, in the 2008 Virginia Tech shooting (https://abcnews.go.com/US/seung-hui-chos-mental-health-records-released/story?id=8278195), perpetrator Seung Hui Cho had multiple interactions with the mental health department on campus, some for suicidal ideation, but yet his parents nor authorities were never notified. University officials stated privacy laws restricted them from sharing the information.

Beyond the necessity for communication prior to these horrific shootings, after the incident, the person’s records are often protected. Even in situations where the perpetrator dies during the shooting, HIPAA protects their records for 50 years.

Because of this, the American public doesn’t know what kind of medications these people were taking and if it may have had an affect on their actions. Just looking at public shootings over the last five years, there’s a huge list of murderers who were likely on SSRIs. Here are a few:



Zephen Xaver and the SunTrust Bank shooting
Ian David Long and the Thousand Oaks Nightclub shooting
Travis Reinking and the Waffle House shooting
Nikolas Cruz and the Parkland, Florida school shooting
Devin Patrick Kelley and the Texas church shooting

https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/prescription-for-violence-the-corresponding-rise-of-antidepressants-ssris-mass-shootings/

Elliot Rogers wasn't even on the list.. he was known to have been prescribed Xanax and was likely prescribed other psychotropics including SSRIs.

Zippyjuan
07-30-2019, 03:09 PM
https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/prescription-for-violence-the-corresponding-rise-of-antidepressants-ssris-mass-shootings/

Elliot Rogers wasn't even on the list.. he was known to have been prescribed Xanax and was likely prescribed other psychotropics including SSRIs.


Because of this, the American public doesn’t know what kind of medications these people were taking and if it may have had an affect on their actions. Just looking at public shootings over the last five years, there’s a huge list of murderers who were likely on SSRIs.

"Likely" doesn't mean they were.


So 16 cases over thirty years (about one every two years) in a population of 330 million (42 million on SSRIs). How many shootings occurred in that time? Were they put on meds because they were mentally stable and then became killers? Did they already have existing mental health issues?


For example, in the 2008 Virginia Tech shooting, perpetrator Seung Hui Cho had multiple interactions with the mental health department on campus, some for suicidal ideation, but yet his parents nor authorities were never notified. University officials stated privacy laws restricted them from sharing the information.

dannno
07-30-2019, 03:19 PM
"Likely" doesn't mean they were.


So 16 cases over thirty years (about one every two years) in a population of 330 million (42 million on SSRIs). How many shootings occurred in that time? Were they put on meds because they were mentally stable and then became killers? Did they already have existing mental health issues?

The cases where the shootings got a lot of media attention tend to make the list, because the ones that don't, well, we just don't know much of anything about them. The fact is about 90% of the cases that get media attention and the subject is actually explored and information is available, turns out they were on them.

Swordsmyth
07-30-2019, 05:38 PM
The Ship is sinking because Trump is a rapist.
Got proof?

Alternative School
07-31-2019, 10:17 AM
All the assault allegations against Donald Trump, recappedPolitics (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics)Oct 14, 2016 5:33 PM EDT — Updated on Jun 21, 2019 2:01 PM EDTSixteen women have come forward with allegations against President Donald Trump, each accusing him of inappropriate conduct. The most recent, from writer and columnist E. Jean Carroll, appeared in NY Magazine on Friday.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/assault-allegations-donald-trump-recapped
The women’s charges range from unwanted touches and aggressive, sudden kissing to the latest accusation against Trump — that he attacked a woman in a dressing room and forced his penis inside her. Donald Trump, his campaign and the Trump White House have insisted all of the stories are fabricated and politically motivated.
So far:


16 women have accused Donald Trump of various forms of sexual assault, including one accusation of rape and another, in which the accuser has not used the word “rape” but whose description meets the legal definition (https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/blog/updated-definition-rape) of rape. This figure includes standing accusations from both before and after the release of the Access Hollywood tape (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-recorded-having-extremely-lewd-conversation-about-women-in-2005/2016/10/07/3b9ce776-8cb4-11e6-bf8a-3d26847eeed4_story.html) on October 7, 2016.
Four other women have publicly said Mr. Trump walked in on them and other pageant contestants while they were undressing. Buzzfeed reports another three women have confirmed the pageant stories but did not want their names used.
The alleged incidents range from the early 1980s to 2013.
Donald Trump has adamantly denied all of the stories and accuses the women of being political tools who were trying to undermine either his candidacy or presidency.

SEXUAL ASSAULT ACCUSATIONS
Here is what we know about the accusations of assault against Donald Trump, including the date of the alleged assault. These are standing allegations of assault that have not been disavowed by the alleged victim.
Kristin Anderson – Early 1990s. Story in the Washington Post on October 14, 2016. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/woman-says-trump-reached-under-her-skirt-and-groped-her-in-early-1990s/2016/10/14/67e8ff5e-917d-11e6-a6a3-d50061aa9fae_story.html?utm_term=.3c1dae297ba0)
Anderson says she was in a Manhattan bar with friends when the person next to her reached up her skirt and touched her vagina through her underwear. She says she turned and recognized the person as Donald Trump.
E. Jean Carroll – late 1995 or early 1996. Story in NY Magazine June 21 (http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/06/president-donald-trump-faces-new-rape-accusation.html) and expected in upcoming book.
Carroll describes running into Trump in a department store, where she says he recognized her for her widely-read advice column. Carroll says they went into a dressing room after Trump asked for her advice on a present – lingerie – for another woman. Inside, she alleges that he shoved her against a wall, “forcing his fingers around my private area, thrusts his penis halfway — or completely, I’m not certain — inside me.” A senior White House official issued a statement to NY Magazine calling the accusation, “a completely false and unrealistic story.”
Rachel Crooks – 2005. Story in The New York Times on October 12, 2016. (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/13/us/politics/donald-trump-women.html?_r=1)
A 22-year-old receptionist at the time, Crooks said Trump gave her an unwanted kiss on the mouth after meeting him in 2005.
“Jane Doe” aka “Katie Johnson” – 1994. Lawsuit filed June 2016, refiled October 2016 as reported by Buzzfeed (https://www.buzzfeed.com/mikehayes/attorney-donald-trump-will-have-to-answer-teens-rape-accusat?utm_term=.kdJqOzw85#.gtDdpq85m) and others, then dropped in November 2016. (https://theslot.jezebel.com/the-woman-who-accused-trump-of-raping-her-at-13-just-dr-1788603598)
Jane Doe is an unnamed plaintiff, who has also gone by “Katie Johnson” in legal papers. She claims she was repeatedly raped by Trump and Jeffery Epstein at Epstein’s New York City apartment in 1994, when she was 13 years old. A witness, also given a pseudonym — “Tiffany Doe” — said she recruited “Jane Doe” and others. Doe, using the name “Johnson,” gave an interview to the Daily Mail (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3894806/Woman-alleged-raped-Donald-Trump-13-Jeffrey-Epstein-sex-party-DROPS-case-casting-doubt-truth-claims.html) in which she said she did not know who Trump was at the time of the alleged attack but identified him later when she saw him on television. It is not known why she withdrew the lawsuit. She has not spoken publicly or withdrawn her rape allegation since then.
Jessica Drake – 2006. Story made public at a news conference October 22, 2016. (http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Gloria-Allred-Trump-Accuser-Sex-conduct-Speaks-Out-News-Conference-398041281.html)
While working as an adult film actress, Drake says Trump invited her to the room where he was staying in Lake Tahoe. In the room, she says he grabbed, hugged and kissed her and two other women who accompanied her without permission. Later, she alleges that Trump called her and pressed her to return to his room, offering $10,000 at one point. Drake says she declined.
Jill Harth – 1992-1993. Story in the The New York Times on October 9, 2016. (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/09/opinion/sunday/donald-trump-groper-in-chief.html?_r=0)
A Florida businesswoman who partnered with Trump and later dated him. Harth alleged that he groped her under the table at dinner with her boyfriend then repeatedly got her alone, and it would turn into a “wrestling match.” She sued Trump for breach of contract, sexual harassment and at one point attempted rape. She settled and then in 1998 dated Trump.
Cathy Heller – 1997. Story in the Guardian on October 15, 2016. (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/15/donald-trump-sexual-misconduct-allegations-cathy-heller)
At a Mother’s Day brunch for Mar-A-Lago club members’ families in 1997, Heller alleges that when she was introduced to Trump, he grabbed her and tried to kiss her on the lips. Heller says she leaned back to avoid him and then he kissed her on the side of her mouth. CNN has reported (http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/15/politics/donald-trump-cathy-heller/) Heller is a Democratic donor.
Ninni Laaksonen – 2006. Former Miss Finland. Story in Ilta-Sonomat (http://www.iltasanomat.fi/viihde/art-2000001939677.html) on October 27, 2016. In English in the Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/27/former-miss-finland-becomes-12th-woman-to-accuse-trump-of-sexual/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter).
Laaksonen told Finnish newspaper Ilta-Sonomat that Trump “squeezed her butt” as she and other pageant contestants stood next to him for a publicity photo, ahead of an appearance on The Letterman Show.
Jessica Leeds – Early 1980s. Story in The New York Times on October 12, 2016. (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/13/us/politics/donald-trump-women.html?_r=0)
Leeds says she sat next to Trump in first class on an airplane and that he kissed her, groped her chest and reached up her skirt, leading her to move back to coach. “He was like an octopus,” she told The New York Times. In a NY Post report published October 14, 2016, a British man whose interview was arranged by the Trump campaign said that he was on the flight, that Leeds’ account is false and he remembers Leeds acting inappropriately (http://nypost.com/2016/10/14/trump-camp-puts-forward-witness-to-refute-sex-assault-claim/).
Mindy McGillivray – Jan. 24, 2003. Story in Palm Beach Post on October 12, 2016. (http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/palm-beach-post-exclusive-local-woman-says-trump-groped-her/w5ii48gwdJY9htsLl88GcP/)
Working as an assistant to photographers at Mar-a-Lago in 2003, McGillivray charges that Trump nudged or grabbed her from behind.
Jennifer Murphy – 2004. Story in Grazia on October 12, 2016. (http://lifestyle.one/grazia/celebrity/news/donald-trump-jennifer-murphy-apprentice-contestant/)
A former Miss USA and “The Apprentice” contestant, Grazia says that Trump kissed her on the lips after walking her to the elevators following a meeting in New York, which he said was to discuss a possible job.
Cassandra Searles – 2013. Made story public in Facebook post in early 2016 (https://www.yahoo.com/style/donald-trump-reportedly-treated-miss-000000927.html).
Miss Washington 2013, Searles wrote on Facebook, “He probably doesn’t want me telling the story about that time he continually grabbed my ass and invited me to his hotel room.”
Natasha Stoynoff – December 2005. Story on People.com on October 12, 2016. (http://people.com/politics/donald-trump-attacked-people-writer/)
Stoynoff was a celebrity reporter covering Trump for People Magazine. She alleges that Trump assaulted her while she was at Mar-a-Lago interviewing him and Melania Trump for a story about their one-year anniversary. She alleges Trump took her to a private room, pushed her against the wall and aggressively kissed her. Stoynoff also says a staffer told her Trump was waiting for her the next day at a massage appointment.
Temple Taggart McDowell – 1997. Story in New York Times May 14, 2016. (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/15/us/politics/donald-trump-women.html)
McDowell, who was Miss Utah USA 1997, charges that Trump suddenly kissed her without her consent on two separate occasions.
Karena Virginia – 1998. Story made public at a news conference October 20, 2016. (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/karena-virginia-becomes-tenth-woman-accuse-trump-sexual-misconduct-n670146)
Virginia says that while she was waiting for a ride following the U.S Open tennis tournament, Trump walked up to her, grabbed her arm and touched her breast.
Summer Zervos – 2007. Story made public in a news conference October 14, 2016. (http://www.ibtimes.com/who-summer-zervos-watch-video-latest-donald-trump-accuser-claim-sexual-misconduct-2431918)
A former contestant on “The Apprentice,” Zervos alleges that Trump told her he wanted to discuss a possible job, but alone in a Beverly Hills Hotel bungalow, grabbed her breasts, kissed her and tried to lead her into a bedroom.
PAGEANT CONTESTANTS ALLEGING TRUMP WALKED IN WHILE THEY WERE DRESSING
Mariah Billado – 1997 Miss Vermont Teen. Story in Buzzfeed on October 12, 2016. (https://www.buzzfeed.com/kendalltaggart/teen-beauty-queens-say-trump-walked-in-on-them-changing?utm_term=.kozwAYY5q#.rqvJmoo7v)
Tasha Dixon – 2001 Miss Arizona. Story in CBSLA on October 11, 2016. (http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2016/10/11/former-beauty-queen-she-other-contestants-were-forced-to-greet-trump-even-when-not-fully-dressed/#.V_2zsVq9TFE.twitter)
Victoria Hughes – 1997 Miss New Mexico Teen. Story in Buzzfeed on October 13, 2016. (https://www.buzzfeed.com/jtes/a-fifth-teen-beauty-queen-says-trump-visited-dressing-room?utm_term=.vx27y8m6G#.krQYb6pX5)
Bridget Sullivan – 2000 Miss New Hampshire. Story in Buzzfeed May 18, 2016. (https://www.buzzfeed.com/jessicagarrison/heres-what-former-beauty-queens-think-of-donald-trump?utm_term=.waxQ18nYG#.xmYGMonl5)
Buzzfeed on October 12, 2016 (https://www.buzzfeed.com/kendalltaggart/teen-beauty-queens-say-trump-walked-in-on-them-changing?utm_term=.fndyVJJZj#.cfV3v99Ez) reported that three other anonymous sources from 1997 Miss Teen USA pageant confirmed Billado and Hughes’ story.
OTHER ALLEGATIONS OF IMPROPER CONDUCT
Lisa Boyne – Summer 1996. Story in The Huffington Post on October 13, 2016. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-models-skirts-underwear_us_57ffd172e4b0162c043ac07f)
Boyne alleges that at a group dinner, Trump and other men forced women to walk over the table to leave their seats and that Trump looked up the women’s skirts and commented on their underwear and genitalia.
Ivana Trump – 1989. Accusations in early 1990s court deposition, made public in The Daily Beast (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/ivana-trump-denies-accusing-donald-trump-rape-daily-beast-120721) on July 27, 2015. Ivana disavowed stories of rape in a 1993 book (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trumps-wife-ivana-disavows-rape-allegation/story?id=32732204) and further commented on July 28, 2015 (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/ivana-trump-denies-accusing-donald-trump-rape-daily-beast-120721).
The mother of three children with Trump, Ivana Trump charges that Trump “violated their bond of love” in a 1989 incident, which she has not described any further in public. She wrote that her reported words charging her ex-husband with “rape” in a deposition were figurative, that stories about a rape are “totally without merit” and she “ did not mean rape in the “criminal sense.” She is under a confidentiality agreement and cannot discuss her marriage publicly without approval from Donald Trump.




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dannno
07-31-2019, 10:35 AM
All the assault allegations against Donald Trump, recapped

Politics (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics)Oct 14, 2016 5:33 PM EDT — Updated on Jun 21, 2019 2:01 PM EDTSixteen women have come forward with allegations against President Donald Trump, each accusing him of inappropriate conduct. The most recent, from writer and columnist E. Jean Carroll, appeared in NY Magazine on Friday.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/assault-allegations-donald-trump-recapped
The women’s charges range from unwanted touches and aggressive, sudden kissing to the latest accusation against Trump — that he attacked a woman in a dressing room and forced his penis inside her. Donald Trump, his campaign and the Trump White House have insisted all of the stories are fabricated and politically motivated.
So far:


16 women have accused Donald Trump of various forms of sexual assault, including one accusation of rape and another, in which the accuser has not used the word “rape” but whose description meets the legal definition (https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/blog/updated-definition-rape) of rape. This figure includes standing accusations from both before and after the release of the Access Hollywood tape (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-recorded-having-extremely-lewd-conversation-about-women-in-2005/2016/10/07/3b9ce776-8cb4-11e6-bf8a-3d26847eeed4_story.html) on October 7, 2016.
Four other women have publicly said Mr. Trump walked in on them and other pageant contestants while they were undressing. Buzzfeed reports another three women have confirmed the pageant stories but did not want their names used.
The alleged incidents range from the early 1980s to 2013.
Donald Trump has adamantly denied all of the stories and accuses the women of being political tools who were trying to undermine either his candidacy or presidency.

SEXUAL ASSAULT ACCUSATIONS
Here is what we know about the accusations of assault against Donald Trump, including the date of the alleged assault. These are standing allegations of assault that have not been disavowed by the alleged victim.
Kristin Anderson – Early 1990s. Story in the Washington Post on October 14, 2016. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/woman-says-trump-reached-under-her-skirt-and-groped-her-in-early-1990s/2016/10/14/67e8ff5e-917d-11e6-a6a3-d50061aa9fae_story.html?utm_term=.3c1dae297ba0)
Anderson says she was in a Manhattan bar with friends when the person next to her reached up her skirt and touched her vagina through her underwear. She says she turned and recognized the person as Donald Trump.
E. Jean Carroll – late 1995 or early 1996. Story in NY Magazine June 21 (http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/06/president-donald-trump-faces-new-rape-accusation.html) and expected in upcoming book.
Carroll describes running into Trump in a department store, where she says he recognized her for her widely-read advice column. Carroll says they went into a dressing room after Trump asked for her advice on a present – lingerie – for another woman. Inside, she alleges that he shoved her against a wall, “forcing his fingers around my private area, thrusts his penis halfway — or completely, I’m not certain — inside me.” A senior White House official issued a statement to NY Magazine calling the accusation, “a completely false and unrealistic story.”
Rachel Crooks – 2005. Story in The New York Times on October 12, 2016. (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/13/us/politics/donald-trump-women.html?_r=1)
A 22-year-old receptionist at the time, Crooks said Trump gave her an unwanted kiss on the mouth after meeting him in 2005.
“Jane Doe” aka “Katie Johnson” – 1994. Lawsuit filed June 2016, refiled October 2016 as reported by Buzzfeed (https://www.buzzfeed.com/mikehayes/attorney-donald-trump-will-have-to-answer-teens-rape-accusat?utm_term=.kdJqOzw85#.gtDdpq85m) and others, then dropped in November 2016. (https://theslot.jezebel.com/the-woman-who-accused-trump-of-raping-her-at-13-just-dr-1788603598)
Jane Doe is an unnamed plaintiff, who has also gone by “Katie Johnson” in legal papers. She claims she was repeatedly raped by Trump and Jeffery Epstein at Epstein’s New York City apartment in 1994, when she was 13 years old. A witness, also given a pseudonym — “Tiffany Doe” — said she recruited “Jane Doe” and others. Doe, using the name “Johnson,” gave an interview to the Daily Mail (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3894806/Woman-alleged-raped-Donald-Trump-13-Jeffrey-Epstein-sex-party-DROPS-case-casting-doubt-truth-claims.html) in which she said she did not know who Trump was at the time of the alleged attack but identified him later when she saw him on television. It is not known why she withdrew the lawsuit. She has not spoken publicly or withdrawn her rape allegation since then.
Jessica Drake – 2006. Story made public at a news conference October 22, 2016. (http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Gloria-Allred-Trump-Accuser-Sex-conduct-Speaks-Out-News-Conference-398041281.html)
While working as an adult film actress, Drake says Trump invited her to the room where he was staying in Lake Tahoe. In the room, she says he grabbed, hugged and kissed her and two other women who accompanied her without permission. Later, she alleges that Trump called her and pressed her to return to his room, offering $10,000 at one point. Drake says she declined.
Jill Harth – 1992-1993. Story in the The New York Times on October 9, 2016. (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/09/opinion/sunday/donald-trump-groper-in-chief.html?_r=0)
A Florida businesswoman who partnered with Trump and later dated him. Harth alleged that he groped her under the table at dinner with her boyfriend then repeatedly got her alone, and it would turn into a “wrestling match.” She sued Trump for breach of contract, sexual harassment and at one point attempted rape. She settled and then in 1998 dated Trump.
Cathy Heller – 1997. Story in the Guardian on October 15, 2016. (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/15/donald-trump-sexual-misconduct-allegations-cathy-heller)
At a Mother’s Day brunch for Mar-A-Lago club members’ families in 1997, Heller alleges that when she was introduced to Trump, he grabbed her and tried to kiss her on the lips. Heller says she leaned back to avoid him and then he kissed her on the side of her mouth. CNN has reported (http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/15/politics/donald-trump-cathy-heller/) Heller is a Democratic donor.
Ninni Laaksonen – 2006. Former Miss Finland. Story in Ilta-Sonomat (http://www.iltasanomat.fi/viihde/art-2000001939677.html) on October 27, 2016. In English in the Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/27/former-miss-finland-becomes-12th-woman-to-accuse-trump-of-sexual/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter).
Laaksonen told Finnish newspaper Ilta-Sonomat that Trump “squeezed her butt” as she and other pageant contestants stood next to him for a publicity photo, ahead of an appearance on The Letterman Show.
Jessica Leeds – Early 1980s. Story in The New York Times on October 12, 2016. (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/13/us/politics/donald-trump-women.html?_r=0)
Leeds says she sat next to Trump in first class on an airplane and that he kissed her, groped her chest and reached up her skirt, leading her to move back to coach. “He was like an octopus,” she told The New York Times. In a NY Post report published October 14, 2016, a British man whose interview was arranged by the Trump campaign said that he was on the flight, that Leeds’ account is false and he remembers Leeds acting inappropriately (http://nypost.com/2016/10/14/trump-camp-puts-forward-witness-to-refute-sex-assault-claim/).
Mindy McGillivray – Jan. 24, 2003. Story in Palm Beach Post on October 12, 2016. (http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/palm-beach-post-exclusive-local-woman-says-trump-groped-her/w5ii48gwdJY9htsLl88GcP/)
Working as an assistant to photographers at Mar-a-Lago in 2003, McGillivray charges that Trump nudged or grabbed her from behind.
Jennifer Murphy – 2004. Story in Grazia on October 12, 2016. (http://lifestyle.one/grazia/celebrity/news/donald-trump-jennifer-murphy-apprentice-contestant/)
A former Miss USA and “The Apprentice” contestant, Grazia says that Trump kissed her on the lips after walking her to the elevators following a meeting in New York, which he said was to discuss a possible job.
Cassandra Searles – 2013. Made story public in Facebook post in early 2016 (https://www.yahoo.com/style/donald-trump-reportedly-treated-miss-000000927.html).
Miss Washington 2013, Searles wrote on Facebook, “He probably doesn’t want me telling the story about that time he continually grabbed my ass and invited me to his hotel room.”
Natasha Stoynoff – December 2005. Story on People.com on October 12, 2016. (http://people.com/politics/donald-trump-attacked-people-writer/)
Stoynoff was a celebrity reporter covering Trump for People Magazine. She alleges that Trump assaulted her while she was at Mar-a-Lago interviewing him and Melania Trump for a story about their one-year anniversary. She alleges Trump took her to a private room, pushed her against the wall and aggressively kissed her. Stoynoff also says a staffer told her Trump was waiting for her the next day at a massage appointment.
Temple Taggart McDowell – 1997. Story in New York Times May 14, 2016. (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/15/us/politics/donald-trump-women.html)
McDowell, who was Miss Utah USA 1997, charges that Trump suddenly kissed her without her consent on two separate occasions.
Karena Virginia – 1998. Story made public at a news conference October 20, 2016. (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/karena-virginia-becomes-tenth-woman-accuse-trump-sexual-misconduct-n670146)
Virginia says that while she was waiting for a ride following the U.S Open tennis tournament, Trump walked up to her, grabbed her arm and touched her breast.
Summer Zervos – 2007. Story made public in a news conference October 14, 2016. (http://www.ibtimes.com/who-summer-zervos-watch-video-latest-donald-trump-accuser-claim-sexual-misconduct-2431918)
A former contestant on “The Apprentice,” Zervos alleges that Trump told her he wanted to discuss a possible job, but alone in a Beverly Hills Hotel bungalow, grabbed her breasts, kissed her and tried to lead her into a bedroom.
PAGEANT CONTESTANTS ALLEGING TRUMP WALKED IN WHILE THEY WERE DRESSING
Mariah Billado – 1997 Miss Vermont Teen. Story in Buzzfeed on October 12, 2016. (https://www.buzzfeed.com/kendalltaggart/teen-beauty-queens-say-trump-walked-in-on-them-changing?utm_term=.kozwAYY5q#.rqvJmoo7v)
Tasha Dixon – 2001 Miss Arizona. Story in CBSLA on October 11, 2016. (http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2016/10/11/former-beauty-queen-she-other-contestants-were-forced-to-greet-trump-even-when-not-fully-dressed/#.V_2zsVq9TFE.twitter)
Victoria Hughes – 1997 Miss New Mexico Teen. Story in Buzzfeed on October 13, 2016. (https://www.buzzfeed.com/jtes/a-fifth-teen-beauty-queen-says-trump-visited-dressing-room?utm_term=.vx27y8m6G#.krQYb6pX5)
Bridget Sullivan – 2000 Miss New Hampshire. Story in Buzzfeed May 18, 2016. (https://www.buzzfeed.com/jessicagarrison/heres-what-former-beauty-queens-think-of-donald-trump?utm_term=.waxQ18nYG#.xmYGMonl5)
Buzzfeed on October 12, 2016 (https://www.buzzfeed.com/kendalltaggart/teen-beauty-queens-say-trump-walked-in-on-them-changing?utm_term=.fndyVJJZj#.cfV3v99Ez) reported that three other anonymous sources from 1997 Miss Teen USA pageant confirmed Billado and Hughes’ story.
OTHER ALLEGATIONS OF IMPROPER CONDUCT
Lisa Boyne – Summer 1996. Story in The Huffington Post on October 13, 2016. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-models-skirts-underwear_us_57ffd172e4b0162c043ac07f)
Boyne alleges that at a group dinner, Trump and other men forced women to walk over the table to leave their seats and that Trump looked up the women’s skirts and commented on their underwear and genitalia.
Ivana Trump – 1989. Accusations in early 1990s court deposition, made public in The Daily Beast (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/ivana-trump-denies-accusing-donald-trump-rape-daily-beast-120721) on July 27, 2015. Ivana disavowed stories of rape in a 1993 book (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trumps-wife-ivana-disavows-rape-allegation/story?id=32732204) and further commented on July 28, 2015 (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/ivana-trump-denies-accusing-donald-trump-rape-daily-beast-120721).
The mother of three children with Trump, Ivana Trump charges that Trump “violated their bond of love” in a 1989 incident, which she has not described any further in public. She wrote that her reported words charging her ex-husband with “rape” in a deposition were figurative, that stories about a rape are “totally without merit” and she “ did not mean rape in the “criminal sense.” She is under a confidentiality agreement and cannot discuss her marriage publicly without approval from Donald Trump.




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You forgot this complaint, of which there was video evidence:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwU1zaUDZeU

NorthCarolinaLiberty
07-31-2019, 10:39 AM
What percent of people who take SSRIs become killers?

What are the chances that a person taking these drugs is more violent than not taking them? Higher, according to this research. (https://www.bmj.com/content/358/bmj.j3697/rr-4)


Most violent acts don't result in homicide, but homicide is the last and extreme placement on the violence continuum.

If more guys violently beat their wives, then I might expect to see more black eyes. If more guys takes these SSRIs, then it's not unreasonable to expect and witness more extreme violent acts.

Alternative School
07-31-2019, 12:11 PM
You can't blame Trump for not going up against that as a private citizen.
Yeah I can. If you see child molestation and don't report it you belong in prison.

Swordsmyth
07-31-2019, 03:37 PM
Yeah I can. If you see child molestation and don't report it you belong in prison.
That's not what happened.

Swordsmyth
07-31-2019, 03:38 PM
All the assault allegations against Donald Trump, recapped

#BelieveAllWomen



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dannno
07-31-2019, 03:42 PM
Yeah I can. If you see child molestation and don't report it you belong in prison.

Uh, ya, first he didn't "see" it, he just knew it was going on. If he "saw" it then he would have been implicated, and he wasn't trying to implicate himself.

If he reported it, nothing would have happened. Because Satanic pedophiles were in power.

By becoming President and taking over the military and judiciary system from the Satanic Pedophiles, Trump can now exact justice upon them.

So if you want the best outcome, Trump got it. If all you care about are technicalities and gotchas, then you're a troll.

Swordsmyth
07-31-2019, 04:17 PM
Uh, ya, first he didn't "see" it, he just knew it was going on. If he "saw" it then he would have been implicated, and he wasn't trying to implicate himself.

If he reported it, nothing would have happened. Because Satanic pedophiles were in power.

By becoming President and taking over the military and judiciary system from the Satanic Pedophiles, Trump can now exact justice upon them.

So if you want the best outcome, Trump got it. If all you care about are technicalities and gotchas, then you're a troll.

:directhit::100::flashinglight::trophy::money:

dannno
08-02-2019, 10:49 PM
Seeing a video is not seeing something "first hand". I could post a video of my grandfather's basement and claim it was the pizza joint.



Part of the quote. In the rest of the article you learn he was talking about the basement at Buck's Fishing and Camping- his other restaurant. That one does have a basement. Conspiracy supporters leave that detail off. How about some context for you instead of just carefully selected bits?




https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/food/san-marzanos-the-bible-of-tomatoes/2013/08/12/85485c1a-fa32-11e2-9bde-7ddaa186b751_story.html

Article is from 2013- well before PizzaGate. It was asking different pizza places what sort of tomatoes they prefer to make their sauces from.

As Paul Harvey used to say, "And now you know the rest of the story!"

The rest of the story is that Buck's Fishing and Camping is two doors down, and in the same BUILDING as Comet Pizza.. So they BOTH have access to the basement(s), aka tunnels that connect the whole block and more.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Buck's+Fishing+%26+Camping/@38.9559597,-77.0700576,20.25z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x89b7c9b98fa27d7d:0x37ec408ae5bec 270!8m2!3d38.9558307!4d-77.0698963



Buck’s Fishing & Camping (http://www.bucksfishingandcamping.com/) — which he had opened roughly two years before, and two doors down Connecticut Avenue.

https://www.metroweekly.com/2015/04/from-scratch-james-alefantis/

dannno
10-18-2019, 02:33 PM
The electrical outages in California in the last week or so were white hat operations to get rid of electrical noise, then use LIDAR to find all of the deep state tunnels. They have rescued over 10,000 children so far from the tunnels.

The assassination the deep state planned against Trump on 10/17 was foiled.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhSTdLxjlTY

Swordsmyth
10-18-2019, 05:57 PM
The electrical outages in California in the last week or so were white hat operations to get rid of electrical noise, then use LIDAR to find all of the deep state tunnels. They have rescued over 10,000 children so far from the tunnels.

The assassination the deep state planned against Trump on 10/17 was foiled.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhSTdLxjlTY
Taking out the electric grid is also one of the few ways to take out enemy surveillance.

devil21
10-19-2019, 02:32 PM
Taking out the electric grid is also one of the few ways to take out enemy surveillance.

Actually, the power outages and fires are to drive people out of proposed Agenda 2030 off-limits zones in NorCal.

https://massawakening.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/corridor_system_to_protect_biodiversity-resized.png

Swordsmyth
11-06-2019, 05:43 PM
6.6mg earthquake today offshore at shallow depth of 13km to the east of Bronfman’s private island near Fiji. This island is the Epstein Island of the Pacific. Notice the tunnel friendly terrain and tennis court. Looks familiar? pic.twitter.com/GbbBcetP0C (https://t.co/GbbBcetP0C)
— 3Days3Nights (@3Days3Nights) November 5, 2019 (https://twitter.com/3Days3Nights/status/1191563797623906305?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)

TheCount
11-07-2019, 08:43 AM
The LARP continues

Swordsmyth
12-21-2019, 09:55 PM
5 earthquakes in less than a day rattle secretive Navy base in Mojave Desert (https://www.fresnobee.com/news/california/article238580988.html)

CCTelander
12-21-2019, 10:33 PM
The fact that this thread even exists, let alone has gone on for 5 pages where threads dealing with non-delusional and important issues regularly slide down the memory hole is a sad commentary on the caliber of discourse to be found here in recent years.

dannno
12-21-2019, 10:41 PM
The fact that this thread even exists, let alone has gone on for 5 pages where threads dealing with non-delusional and important issues regularly slide down the memory hole is a sad commentary on the caliber of discourse to be found here in recent years.

Oh, ya, much more intelligent discourse would be talking about impeaching Trump for investigating legitimate corruption, right???

Give me a fucking break.

CCTelander
12-21-2019, 10:49 PM
Oh, ya, much more intelligent discourse would be talking about impeaching Trump for investigating legitimate corruption, right???

Give me a fucking break.


No. The impeachment, IMO, is just another dog and pony show serving as a distraction from other more important issues among other things. Personally, I'm sick of reading about it. But at least it's actually acreal thing as opposed to the delusion that a sitting president used tactical nukes on American soil to strike against the actual enemies of freedom. That's comic book shit. In fact, most comic plots are MUCH MORE BELIEVABLE than that shit.

dannno
12-21-2019, 10:52 PM
No. The impeachment, IMO, is just another dog and pony show serving as a distraction from other more important issues among other things. Personally, I'm sick of reading about it. But at least it's actually acreal thing as opposed to the delusion that a sitting president used tactical nukes on American soil to strike against the actual enemies of freedom. That's comic book shit. In fact, most comic plots are MUCH MORE BELIEVABLE than that shit.

How else do you explain the sudden bee die off?

acptulsa
12-22-2019, 07:06 AM
How else do you explain the sudden bee die off?

You can't think of any ways to kill bees other than nuclear weapons? None at all?

You'd think if somebody with a history of running around the internet claiming an IQ of 137 could only think of one way to kill bees, he'd keep that to himself.

jon4liberty
12-22-2019, 07:53 AM
The video and host is garbage. Maybe if someone else presented it.

He should just stick to zionist topics like how we could give more money to israel.

Herbicides and pesticides have played a huge role in the Midwest

dannno
12-22-2019, 01:19 PM
The video and host is garbage. Maybe if someone else presented it.

He should just stick to zionist topics like how we could give more money to israel.

Herbicides and pesticides have played a huge role in the Midwest

What are you talking about?

What makes you think he is a zionist? He thinks the zionists were, in part, behind 9/11... He is a blood bought, blood washed Christian who believes in the Hebrew roots of the Christian faith and celebrates the same holidays Yeshua did.

I have heard the idea that "Well, the guy sounds like he is telling the truth, and this is really important.. probably the most important thing happening on the planet if it is actually true.. I don't think anybody else is presenting this topic. But I personally need somebody else to present it to me, because my mind is weak like that."

It doesn't really impress me. This guy was chosen by a Navy intel source to deliver messages from Q team. I think his source eventually ditched him after he accidentally played an audio clip of his voice on youtube. But I still listen to him because he is plugged into this issue and does a lot of research around these topics. But it's not as explosive as it once was.

However I also listen to Scott Adams, who doesn't believe any of this kind of stuff. He isn't even a libertarian. But he provides a unique perspective that helps me understand the world I see around me. I also like getting Ron and Rand's perspectives, among many others. It's called being well rounded.



You can't think of any ways to kill bees other than nuclear weapons? None at all?

You'd think if somebody with a history of running around the internet claiming an IQ of 137 could only think of one way to kill bees, he'd keep that to himself.

The bees did not die off over time, they died off SUDDENLY right when the earthquake happened.

If earthquakes don't cause sudden bee die offs, then something else killed the bees and that explains the earthquakes. It happened next to a military base. The deep state hates Trump. This is the most logical explanation I have heard thus far.

For you, it makes less sense because you are less informed on the fact that the deep state hates Trump, and how much Trump wants to take down the deep state. Once you understand that, it isn't that hard to wrap your head around this kind of stuff.

acptulsa
12-22-2019, 01:24 PM
The bees did not die off over time, they died off SUDDENLY right when the earthquake happened.

Did they? Check the dateline:

https://m.phys.org/news/2016-05-deciphering-mysterious-decline-honey-bees.html


But he provides a unique perspective that helps me understand the world I see around me. It's called being well rounded.

Boasting aside, I think the only thing making you well rounded is the munchies.

jon4liberty
12-22-2019, 01:29 PM
What are you talking about?

What makes you think he is a zionist? He thinks the zionists were, in part, behind 9/11... He is a blood bought, blood washed Christian who believes in the Hebrew roots of the Christian faith and celebrates the same holidays Yeshua did.

I have heard the idea that "Well, the guy sounds like he is telling the truth, and this is really important.. probably the most important thing happening on the planet if it is actually true.. I don't think anybody else is presenting this topic. But I personally need somebody else to present it to me, because my mind is weak like that."

It doesn't really impress me. This guy was chosen by a Navy intel source to deliver messages from Q team. I think his source eventually ditched him after he accidentally played an audio clip of his voice on youtube. But I still listen to him because he is plugged into this issue and does a lot of research around these topics. But it's not as explosive as it once was.

However I also listen to Scott Adams, who doesn't believe any of this kind of stuff. He isn't even a libertarian. But he provides a unique perspective that helps me understand the world I see around me. I also like getting Ron and Rand's perspectives, among many others. It's called being well rounded.




The bees did not die off over time, they died off SUDDENLY right when the earthquake happened.

If earthquakes don't cause sudden bee die offs, then something else killed the bees and that explains the earthquakes. It happened next to a military base. The deep state hates Trump. This is the most logical explanation I have heard thus far.

For you, it makes less sense because you are less informed on the fact that the deep state hates Trump, and how much Trump wants to take down the deep state. Once you understand that, it isn't that hard to wrap your head around this kind of stuff.

I think most thinkers listen to a variety of people with different perspectives.

I have defended trump on many occasions. I follow Q as well. No way the intel team used him. I question why the military intel would help V the guerilla either.

dannno
12-22-2019, 01:36 PM
Did they? Check the dateline:

https://m.phys.org/news/2016-05-deciphering-mysterious-decline-honey-bees.html


It was documented on social media that there was a massive bee die off at the precise time and location of the epicenter of the earthquake. Like, millions of bees, all dying at once, right after the earthquake.

dannno
12-22-2019, 01:38 PM
I think most thinkers listen to a variety of people with different perspectives.

I have defended trump on many occasions. I follow Q as well. No way the intel team used him. I question why the military intel would help V the guerilla either.

Why wouldn't they use him? Because you don't like him? Plenty of other people like him. I kinda like him. He's not perfect, nobody is. But I like his optimism and his faith fascinates me a bit even tho I am not Christian.

He is really against these big mega churches, and actually believes in small congregations in the home as opposed to a Church.

He also exposes satanic pedophiles.

What's not to like?

Zippyjuan
12-22-2019, 01:39 PM
If earthquakes don't cause sudden bee die offs, then something else killed the bees and that explains the earthquakes. It happened next to a military base. The deep state hates Trump. This is the most logical explanation I have heard thus far.

Deep state killed the bees because they hate Trump! Or are the bees deep state and Trump nuked a military base to kill the bees 100 miles away? One guy finds dead bees in his driveway and suddenly it is a heuge conspiracy against Trump! (the poster of the dead bees Khalil Underwood lives over 100 miles from the quake center- he lives in LA which is 125 miles from Ridgecrest)

Just look at all the thousands and thousands of them (he said 70 in his tweet about them- it later got inflated to "thousands"):


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https://themindunleashed.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/bees-drop-dead-california-earthquake-740x410.jpg

jon4liberty
12-22-2019, 01:41 PM
He looks like a slob in his mother's basement. If one cant take care of himself mentally and physically it says a lot.

His video quality is horrific. I dont need religion spewed into my politics. You lose credibility when providing videos of these people

dannno
12-22-2019, 01:45 PM
He looks like a slob in his mother's basement. If one cant take care of himself mentally and physically it says a lot.

His video quality is horrific. I dont need religion spewed into my politics. You lose credibility when providing videos of these people

So, he's overweight and he follows the bible when it comes to trimming his beard. The bible specifies that you trim your beard that way. He is Christian, he wears on it on his sleeve.

The only legitimate issue you brought up is that he is overweight. I have no problem with people who have a strong Christian faith if their heart is in the right place. And being overweight is a red flag, but it's not the end all be all for who is right or wrong in the world.

Zippyjuan
12-22-2019, 01:47 PM
He looks like a slob in his mother's basement. If one cant take care of himself mentally and physically it says a lot.

His video quality is horrific. I dont need religion spewed into my politics. You lose credibility when providing videos of these people

There isn't a lot to do in Juneau Alaska. Especially in winter.

dannno
12-22-2019, 01:56 PM
Deep state killed the bees because they hate Trump! One guy finds dead bees in his driveway and suddenly it is a heuge conspiracy against Trump! (the poster of the dead bees Khalil Underwood lives over 100 miles from the quake center- he lives in LA which is 125 miles from Ridgecrest)

Just look at all the thousands and thousands of them (he said 70 in his tweet about them- it later got inflated to "thousands":


1147368119284822016

https://themindunleashed.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/bees-drop-dead-california-earthquake-740x410.jpg

Wow... talk about discrediting yourself... That photo is one of the most deceptive things you have posted in a long time.. There are hundreds of bees in just that shot paused in the video, and obviously there are thousands if you look around.. and clearly there would be millions the further from the center you go.

Downtown LA is a ways from Ridgecrest, but this guy could live in Ridgecrest and claim L.A. on his social media because LA is the biggest city near Ridgecrest.. You have no idea how far he lives from Ridgecrest.. or maybe he was visiting a friend near Ridgecrest.



1147525847248596992

https://twitter.com/RealKhalilU/status/1147525847248596992?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1147525847248596992&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nst.com.my%2Fworld%2F201 9%2F07%2F502464%2Fso-bee-zarre-thousands-bees-drop-dead-following-california-earthquake

https://www.nst.com.my/world/2019/07/502464/so-bee-zarre-thousands-bees-drop-dead-following-california-earthquake

acptulsa
12-22-2019, 02:05 PM
It was documented on social media...

LOL

Gee I wonder what social media's objective standard is for "massive"?


... that there was a massive bee die off at the precise time and location of the epicenter of the earthquake.

Yeah, I saw eyewitness reports. They didn't seem to be dying of radiation poisoning.

dannno
12-22-2019, 02:09 PM
LOL

Gee I wonder what social media's objective standard is for "massive"?



Yeah, I saw eyewitness reports. They didn't seem to be dying of radiation poisoning.

Nice strawman.. Nobody said the bees were dying of radiation poisoning. There are at least a dozen news reports about this incident out there you can read. Scientists are skeptical that it would be an earthquake, but ultimately unsure what the cause is. Maybe you should go tell them what they don't already know if you think you know what the cause was.

It makes more sense that it would have been from some type of energy blast that came from the nukes that messed with the bees perception.

Zippyjuan
12-22-2019, 02:09 PM
Wow... talk about discrediting yourself... That photo is one of the most deceptive things you have posted in a long time.. Downtown LA is a ways from Ridgecrest, but this guy could live in Ridgecrest and claim L.A. on his social media because LA is the biggest city near Ridgecrest.. You have no idea how far he lives from Ridgecrest.. or maybe he was visiting a friend near Ridgecrest.

There are hundreds of bees in just that shot, and obviously there are thousands if you look around.. and clearly there would be millions the further from the center you go.

1147525847248596992

https://twitter.com/RealKhalilU/status/1147525847248596992?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1147525847248596992&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nst.com.my%2Fworld%2F201 9%2F07%2F502464%2Fso-bee-zarre-thousands-bees-drop-dead-following-california-earthquake

https://www.nst.com.my/world/2019/07/502464/so-bee-zarre-thousands-bees-drop-dead-following-california-earthquake

Checking the date on his tweet- July 6th but saying "yesterday"-, it could not have been the 7.1 Ridgecrest quake- that was on July 6th so it was the smaller 6.4 quake in the same area- 150 miles from LA. No reported bee deaths following the bigger earthquake? Surely even more would have died! The scale is exponential- a 7.1 is ten times more powerful than a 6.1 quake.

https://www.npr.org/2019/07/04/738791698/a-6-4-magnitude-earthquake-hits-southern-california-rattling-a-large-swath-of-st


A strong 6.4 magnitude earthquake struck Southern California on Thursday, centered in a remote desert area some 150 miles northeast of Los Angeles, according to the U.S. Geological Survey.

Emergency officials in Kern County, Calif., have responded to nearly two dozen incidents including people needing medical assistance and structure fires around the city of Ridgecrest, where a regional hospital also had to be evacuated, according to county officials.


https://en.es-static.us/upl/2019/07/earthquake-7-6-2019-CA-e1562414097797.png

Zippyjuan
12-22-2019, 02:15 PM
Nice strawman.. Nobody said the bees were dying of radiation poisoning. There are at least a dozen news reports about this incident out there you can read. Scientists are skeptical that it would be an earthquake, but ultimately unsure what the cause is. Maybe you should go tell them what they don't already know if you think you know what the cause was.

It makes more sense that it would have been from some type of energy blast that came from the nukes that messed with the bees perception.

Any nuclear test would have been noticed and reported by global agencies responsible for that sort of thing. Nothing. Bees died in one driveway! It had to be nukes 150 miles away! The only possible explanation!

The depth of the quake was nearly seven miles below the ground- a mighty deep hole to dig just to try to kill some bees!




So, what happened?

According to the United States Geological Survey (USGS), the quake struck right near the Searles Valley, in the Mojave Desert. The initial quake magnitude has been estimated as a magnitude 6.4, certainly nothing to be sneezed at. It occurred at a depth of around 10.7 kilometres (6.6 miles), which is somewhat deep – something that, along with its inherent power, possibly allowed the shaking to spread out further than it otherwise would have.

Nukes are the least probable cause- not the most probable.


some type of energy blast that came from the nukes

6.6 miles of Earth would have blocked that energy from any blast. Actually that 6.6 miles is only the underground distance. In a direct line to that guy's driveway would require it going over 100 miles through rock.

acptulsa
12-22-2019, 02:49 PM
Nice strawman.. Nobody said the bees were dying of radiation poisoning.
It makes more sense that it would have been from some type of energy blast that came from the nukes that messed with the bees perception.

Well, yes, there certainly is an energy blast when a nuke goes off. It is an energy blast of many types. And a significant amount of that energy is of the radiation type.

dannno
12-22-2019, 02:59 PM
Well, yes, there certainly is an energy blast when a nuke goes off. It is an energy blast of many types. And a significant amount of that energy is of the radiation type.

Tactical nukes, set off underground, are not going to cause radiation to be penetrating through the ground. An energy blast might, though.


A tactical nuclear weapon (TNW) or non-strategic nuclear weapon[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_nuclear_weapon#cite_note-fas-1) is a nuclear weapon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon) which is designed to be used on a battlefield in military situations mostly with friendly forces in proximity and perhaps even on contested friendly territory. Generally smaller in explosive power (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapon_yield), they are defined in contrast to strategic nuclear weapons (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_nuclear_weapon): which are designed to be mostly targeted in the enemy interior away from the war front against military bases, cities, towns, arms industries, and other hardened or larger-area targets to damage the enemy's ability to wage war.

Tactical nuclear weapons include gravity bombs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity_bomb), short-range missiles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missile), artillery shells (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_artillery), land mines (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medium_Atomic_Demolition_Munition), depth charges (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_depth_bomb), and torpedoes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_torpedo) which are equipped with nuclear warheads.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_nuclear_weapon


Ever use a gravity bong?

Zippyjuan
12-22-2019, 03:16 PM
Tactical nukes, set off underground, are not going to cause radiation to be penetrating through the ground. An energy blast might, though.




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactical_nuclear_weapon


Ever use a gravity bong?

So it was a gravity bong which killed the bees?


Tactical nukes, set off underground, are not going to cause radiation to be penetrating through the ground. An energy blast might, though.

A tactical nuke set off seven miles underground would have no energy released at 100 miles away. And where are the reports of bee deaths following the even bigger quake a few days later?

Just to give an idea of just how deep 6.6 miles is (the depth of the quake and where any "nuke" would have gone off), the deepest mine in the world is less than 2.5 miles. https://www.mining-technology.com/features/feature-top-ten-deepest-mines-world-south-africa/

Why dig a hole that deep just to set off a tactical nuke which would be too deep to do anything?

Marenco
12-22-2019, 07:44 PM
The fact that this thread even exists, let alone has gone on for 5 pages where threads dealing with non-delusional and important issues regularly slide down the memory hole is a sad commentary on the caliber of discourse to be found here in recent years.

Pretty much, man...

dannno
10-16-2020, 12:24 AM
Big youtube purge today..

https://www.bitchute.com/video/ZTeTvAoBn2gI/

TheCount
10-16-2020, 12:34 AM
When your whole life is a LARP

dannno
10-16-2020, 12:34 AM
When your whole life is a LARP

Ya, what's that like?