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johnwk
07-09-2019, 07:09 PM
Just for the record, the Administrative Procedure Act, (APA) which was used to justify Roberts’ opinion, is a clever device created by our Washington Swamp Creatures to undermine our representative system of government, and allow unelected activist judges and Justices to second guess and overturn policy making decisions and legislation which rightfully rests with Congress and our Executive branch of government, that is, unless Congress itself, our elected representatives, decide to intervene and strike down a policy judgement made by the Executive branch.


In this case, the APA was used to overturn the consequences of an election and a policy making decision made by our President which is objected to by those who lost the election.

This is not rocket science to figure out. Just read the entire Court OPINION (https://www.debatepolitics.com/redirect-to/?redirect=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.supremecourt.gov%2Fopi nions%2F18pdf%2F18-966_bq7c.pdf) which documents the whining and frivolous objections of those who ran to the Court over a question which is admitted by all parties does not violate the terms of our Constitution.




Justice Thomas, in his dissent, identifies the can of worms opened by Justice Roberts:




"Now that the Court has opened up this avenue of attack, opponents of executive actions have strong incentives to craft narratives that would derail them. Moreover, even if the effort to invalidate the action is ultimately unsuccessful, the Court’s decision enables partisans to use the courts to harangue executive officers through depositions, discovery, delay, and distraction. The Court’s decision could even implicate separation-of-powers concerns insofar as it enables judicial interference with the enforcement of the laws. In short, today’s decision is a departure from traditional principles of administrative law. Hopefully it comes to be understood as an aberration—a ticket good for this day and this train only"




Because the Secretary’s decision to reinstate a citizenship question on the 2020 census was legally sound and a reasoned exercise of his broad discretion, I respectfully dissent from Part V of the opinion of the Court."





The bottom line is, the Roberts’ decision is an outright attack on our democratic system and attempts to overturn the consequences of our last election.



This whole case is summed up as follows:


"For the removal of unwise laws [and in this case a policy making decision] . . . appeal lies, not to the courts, but to the ballot and to the processes of democratic government.” U.S. v. Butler, 297 U.S. 1, 78-79 (1936)



JWK


"The public welfare demands that constitutional cases must be decided according to the terms of the Constitution itself, and not according to judges’ views of fairness, reasonableness, or justice." – Justice Hugo L. Black (U.S. Supreme Court Justice, 1886 - 1971) Source: Lecture, Columbia University, 1968

Swordsmyth
07-09-2019, 07:14 PM
Roberts is a traitor and possibly a blackmail victim, he needs to go.

johnwk
07-12-2019, 07:33 AM
Roberts is a traitor and possibly a blackmail victim, he needs to go.


It may shock American citizens to learn how many extra congressional seats sanctuary states like California have received because they have swelled their population with illegal entrants. Keep in mind these extra votes California gets in Congress cancels out the votes of the representatives of American citizens in other states.

It is estimated California may get between 2 and 3 more seats in Congress because of the massive influx of illegal entrants into this sanctuary state during the past ten years.

But to prevent this type of political motivated population swelling, which is done to receive extra votes in Congress and control our federal treasury, our wise founders also demanded that each states would also have to pay a share of our federal tax burden proportionately equal to its representation in Congress.


The two fair share formulas with respect to each state’s population size are:

.State`s Population_________________X House membership (435) = State`s No. of RepresentativesPopulation of U.S.


and …


.State`s population_________________ X SUM TO BE RAISED = STATE`S SHARE OF TAX BURDENTotal U.S. Population


For an example of this apportioned tax see an Act laying a direct tax for $3 million (https://www.debatepolitics.com/redirect-to/?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fmemory.loc.gov%2Fcgi-bin%2Fampage%3FcollId%3Dllsl%26fileName%3D003%2Fll sl003.db%26recNum%3D94) in which the rule of apportionment is applied.


And then see Section 7 of the direct tax of 1813 (https://www.debatepolitics.com/redirect-to/?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fmemory.loc.gov%2Fcgi-bin%2Fampage%3FcollId%3Dllsl%26fileName%3D003%2Fll sl003.db%26recNum%3D112) allowing states to pay their respective quotas and be entitled to certain deductions in meeting their payment on time.


In the Federalist Papers, Madison explains the purpose of tying representation and taxation by each state’s population, that it:“…will have a very salutary effect.” He observes in this paper . . .


“Were” the various States’ “share of representation alone to be governed by this rule, they would have an interest in exaggerating their inhabitants. Were the rule to decide their share of taxation alone, a contrary temptation would prevail. By extending the rule to both objects, the States will have opposite interests, which will control and balance each other, and produce the requisite impartiality.” See Federalist No. 54



Now, look at our communist socialist states like California who now swell their states with illegal entrants to gain more representation in Congress. Would these sanctuary states continue to do so if they had to pay a proportional share of our federal tax burden relative to their state’s population size?


Communist and socialists have been very active for generations subverting the fundamental principles written into our Constitution for good government. While they have taught our children in government schools the virtues of our Constitution protecting one man, one vote, they ignore and refuse to teach them the value of one vote, one dollar and tying both representation and taxation by population size, which would have a sobering financial effect in that each state will be held accountable for the free cheese their congressional members vote for, and will receive a bill to pay their apportioned share of the free cheese tab.


JWK


The Democrat Leadership is correct! The border crisis has been manufactured. It has been manufactured by the Democrat Leadership in Congress refusing to protect our borders against an ongoing invasion.

TheCount
07-12-2019, 08:40 AM
Are non-citizens people?

PAF
07-12-2019, 09:08 AM
Are non-citizens people?

Yes.

But they do not need to be "documented", in order to help build the central database, receive free stuff, government mandated minimum wage, and/or Fund the Fed.

Freedom is better-er-er-er.

UWDude
07-12-2019, 10:09 AM
Are non-citizens people?

Let's call the democrat's slaves 3/5th of a person, to avoid civil war

brushfire
07-12-2019, 01:55 PM
Im not sure where it matters 1/2 the time. It seems the constitution is just a potted plant for 99% of those in our government.

Just curious - I wonder what percentage of executive orders served are actually constitutional? Seem since lincoln, and especially teddy, its been a catalyst of overreach.

Swordsmyth
07-12-2019, 07:36 PM
Are non-citizens people?
Illegal invaders are not part of "their respective numbers" and they have no right to any influence in our government.

Swordsmyth
07-12-2019, 07:36 PM
Let's call the democrat's slaves 3/5th of a person, to avoid civil war

I'd rather have the civil war.

TheCount
07-13-2019, 12:45 PM
Let's call the democrat's slaves 3/5th of a person, to avoid civil war

That's quite revealing.

Sammy
07-13-2019, 01:07 PM
Roberts is a traitor and possibly a blackmail victim, he needs to go.

He was appointed by George W Bush! Of course he is bad!