Ross Perot dead at 89 years old [Archive] - Ron Paul Forums / Liberty Forest

Brian4Liberty

07-09-2019, 09:11 AM

Ross Perot, billionaire former presidential candidate, has died at age 89 (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ross-perot-billionaire-former-presidential-candidate-dead-age-89-cause-of-death-not-released-2019-07-09/)
July 9, 2019

Perot died in Texas, the state where he was born, surrounded by family.

"Mr. Perot was a true patriot and a dedicated humanitarian. He will be missed greatly," Ross Mulford of Petrus Asset Management Company said in a statement.

In 1992, Perot made a name for himself when he became the most successful non-major party presidential candidate in 80 years, amassing 19 percent of the popular vote, running against President George H.W. Bush and Arkansas Gov. Bill Clinton.

As a boy in Texarkana, Texas, Perot delivered newspapers from the back of a pony. He earned his billions in a more modern way, however — by building Electronic Data Systems Corp., which helped other companies manage their computer networks.

Yet the most famous event in his career didn't involve sales and earnings; he financed a private commando raid in 1979 to free two EDS employees who were being held in a prison in Iran. The tale was turned into a book and a movie.

Perot first became known to Americans outside of business circles by claiming that the U.S. government left behind hundreds of American soldiers who were missing or imprisoned at the end of the Vietnam War. Perot fanned the issue at home and discussed it privately with Vietnamese officials in the 1980s, angering the Reagan administration, which was formally negotiating with Vietnam's government.

Perot's wealth, fame and confident prescription for the nation's economic ills propelled his 1992 campaign against President George H.W. Bush and Democratic challenger Bill Clinton. Some Republicans blamed him for Bush's lost to Clinton as Perot garnered the largest percentage of votes for a third-party candidate since former President Theodore Roosevelt's 1912 bid.

During the campaign, Perot spent $63.5 million of his own money and bought up 30-minute television spots. He used charts and graphs to make his points, summarizing them with a line that became a national catchphrase: "It's just that simple."

Former President George W. Bush called Perot a patriot.

"Texas and America have lost a strong patriot," Bush said in a statement. "Ross Perot epitomized the entrepreneurial spirit and the American creed. He gave selflessly of his time and resources to help others in our community, across our country, and around the world. He loved the U.S. military and supported our service members and veterans. Most importantly, he loved his dear wife, children, and grandchildren. Laura and I send our heartfelt condolences to the entire Perot family as they celebrate a full life."

...Perot's ideas on trade and deficit reduction remained part of the political landscape. He blamed both major parties for running up a huge federal budget deficit and letting American jobs to be sent to other countries. The movement of U.S. jobs to Mexico, he said, created a "giant sucking sound."

Perot continued to speak out about federal spending for many years. In 2008, he launched a website to highlight the nation's debt with a ticker that tracked the rising total, a blog and a chart presentation.
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More: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ross-perot-billionaire-former-presidential-candidate-dead-age-89-cause-of-death-not-released-2019-07-09/

Sammy

07-09-2019, 09:20 AM

RIP he was the Best Candidate in 92!

Anti Globalist

07-09-2019, 09:22 AM

RIP. Has Ron ever talked about Ross Perot?

Brian4Liberty

07-09-2019, 09:29 AM

Step into the time machine and see the first debate...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD_cXN9O9ds

kahless

07-09-2019, 09:39 AM

If only he had won the Presidency our world would be in a much better place. If I had been old enough at the time I would have voted for him.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/business/2019/07/09/ross-perot-self-made-billionaire-patriot-philanthropist-dies-89 (https://www.dallasnews.com/business/business/2019/07/09/ross-perot-self-made-billionaire-patriot-philanthropist-dies-89?fbclid=IwAR0uAZKLSgEKrIiJ-aqM7dcr0cIKIwwNui2foNPpLILdn2DQ8ZB3njvYIqc)

I agree and voted for him. RIP.

Stratovarious

07-09-2019, 09:43 AM

RIP

PAF

07-09-2019, 09:55 AM

Step into the time machine and see the first debate...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD_cXN9O9ds

Thanks for the trip down memory lane... truly worth the watch.

One thing then that stands true now - most people look to government to solve their problems, because they more than usually ask themselves the wrong the questions.

Much like the Indians in another thread, you sell your soul (or your property) and believe that there is no accountability. Now that government has grown so exponentially large, there is little ability by the people to hold it back.

PursuePeace

07-09-2019, 10:00 AM

:(

I was just a youngin' back then and not involved in politics at all, but I loved this guy.
He definitely captured my attention. Something no other politician ever did when I was at that age.

RIP Ross Perot

Brian4Liberty

07-09-2019, 10:07 AM

Perot could have won if he had run in the GOP primary.

PAF

07-09-2019, 10:13 AM

Perot could have won if he had run in the GOP primary.

Perot's second campaign four years later was far less successful. He was shut out of presidential debates when organizers said he lacked sufficient support. He got just 8% of the vote, and the Reform Party that he founded and hoped to build into a national political force began to fall apart.

He would have been steamrolled like Ron Paul. Along the way, and down in Tampa.

Party politics is not the answer; changing the hearts and minds of the American people is.

UWDude

07-09-2019, 10:15 AM

RIP.
I thought he was crazy. (was not old enough to vote), because that's what my tv said, and that's what all the kids in school said.

A real missed chance for America.

Even so, him talking about America needing to make tangible items always stuck with me.

Brian4Liberty

07-09-2019, 10:17 AM

Perot’s VP pick (Stockdale) had a hard time with debating and public speaking. It was not his profession.

Here’s a fair discussion featuring Doug Wead:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Um8ApsMh9A

Brian4Liberty

07-09-2019, 10:21 AM

He would have been steamrolled like Ron Paul. Along the way, and down in Tampa.

Party politics is not the answer; changing the hearts and minds of the American people is.

That quote is about his second run. He had no chance the second time. Some of the media (Larry King) liked and covered Perot. He could have won the Primary the first time he ran. Bush was not popular.

Ron ran in the GOP primary. He would have had zero coverage without that. Trump also learned that lesson from the Perot run.

kahless

07-09-2019, 10:28 AM

Perot was ahead in the polls and sabotaged himself by dropping out in July, only to return in October. If he had not done that I think he would have won.

People felt his excuse that the Bush's were trying to sabotage his daughters wedding was not good enough. The Bush's probably were but you stay in and fight them.

How the media covered it below.

Perot Charges Plot Forced Him Out; 'Loony,' GOP Says : Campaign: He accuses Bush camp of plan to smear daughter and disrupt her wedding, and says he quit race to protect her. Texan offers no proof for allegations.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-10-26-mn-761-story.html

Independent presidential candidate Ross Perot accused President Bush's campaign Sunday of plotting to fake a photograph to smear his youngest daughter, of conspiring to disrupt her wedding and of hiring an ex-CIA employee to wiretap his computerized stock trading program and ruin him.

Perot said the plotting was the real reason he dropped out of the campaign for 11 weeks. He said he wanted to spare his daughter, Caroline, the pain that such dirty tricks could cause. After her wedding in August, Perot said, he told her what he had done. He said she replied: "Get back into the race." He did, on Oct. 1.

PAF

07-09-2019, 10:35 AM

That quote is about his second run. He had no chance the second time. Some of the media (Larry King) liked and covered Perot. He could have won the Primary the first time he ran. Bush was not popular.

The duopoly would not have permitted that. Which is why Ross ran third party.

Ron ran in the GOP primary. He would have had zero coverage without that. Trump also learned that lesson from the Perot run.

Unfortunately, so did the "2-party" system. Thus trump.

Matt Collins

07-09-2019, 11:06 AM

Party politics is not the answer; changing the hearts and minds of the American people is.
Uh no..... the "educating everyone" route is a guaranteed way to fail.

One doesn't have to be involved in party politics in order to win, but trying to educate others on the issues is a losing strategy.

Zippyjuan

07-09-2019, 11:20 AM

Perot on the issues (according to the Heritage Foundation): https://www.heritage.org/budget-and-spending/report/guide-the-presidential-candidates-economic-plans

Among the central features of the Perot plan:

Spending Cuts. Perot claims that over five years he will cut at least $352 billion, including $141 billion through Medicare and Medicaid reform, $108 billion in wasteful spending and programs, $50 billion in farm and other subsidies, and $40 billion in defense.

Tax Hikes. Perot over five years would raise $408 billion in new revenue, including $158 billion with a 50 cent per gallon increase in the gasoline tax, $72.9 billion by limiting mortgage interest deductions, $66 billion through higher taxes on Medicare and higher premium payments, $33 billion through a hike in the top individual tax rate from 31 percent to 33 percent, and $30 billion by increasing from 50 percent to 85 percent the share of Social Security benefits for better off recipients subject to taxes.

Tax Cuts for Businesses. Perot would reduce the capital gains tax for long-term investments and eliminate it on small business, and change the tax code to stimulate investment. He also favors investment tax credits and the research and development tax credit.

Anti-Trust Reform. Perot calls for amendments to the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust Act, which restricts cooperation between American enterprises facing foreign competition. This is an especially welcome proposal -- one not found among the proposals of the other candidates.

Environmental Regulation. While denouncing "overregulation" of the economy by the government, Perot surprisingly advocates a massive increase in federal government control of the economy in the name of ill-defined environmental concerns.

Brian4Liberty

07-09-2019, 11:25 AM

Zippyjuan

07-09-2019, 11:27 AM

Perot was a head in the polls and sabotaged himself by dropping out in July, only to return in October. If he had not done that I think he would have won.

People felt his excuse that the Bush's were trying to sabotage his daughters wedding was not good enough. The Bush's probably were but you stay in and fight them.

How the media covered it below.

Perot Charges Plot Forced Him Out; 'Loony,' GOP Says : Campaign: He accuses Bush camp of plan to smear daughter and disrupt her wedding, and says he quit race to protect her. Texan offers no proof for allegations.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-10-26-mn-761-story.html

Perot led only one month's polls. He was declining when he withdrew. Some blamed Perot for Clinton getting elected. Others blame Bush's "Read my lips- No New Taxes" pledge failure. Or the 1991 recession- unemployment peaked at 7.7% in June of 1992.

http://media.gallup.com/ELECTION2004/electionHistory_1992_1.gif
http://media.gallup.com/ELECTION2004/electionHistory_1992_2.gif

http://www.city-data.com/forum/elections/2596367-1992-presidential-election-perot-did-not.html

Brian4Liberty

07-09-2019, 11:30 AM

We can always depend on Zippy to give us the establishment perspective. It was as predictable as the sun rising that you would come here to s*** in this thread.

kahless

07-09-2019, 12:09 PM

Perot led only one month's polls. He was declining when he withdrew.

http://media.gallup.com/ELECTION2004/electionHistory_1992_1.gif
http://media.gallup.com/ELECTION2004/electionHistory_1992_2.gif

http://www.city-data.com/forum/elections/2596367-1992-presidential-election-perot-did-not.html

The Gallop poll shows he was one point behind Bush and ahead of Clinton. The two other June polls he was ahead of both of them. That is pretty good for a 3rd party candidate.

The Pew Research poll that month had Perot ahead in ages 25-49 and 65+. He tied Bush with ages 50-65 and was behind Bush by 2 points for 18-24. Remove Blacks from 18-24 and he was ahead. If you remove blacks completely from the poll Perot was way ahead of Bush and Clinton when he dropped out.

https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/legacy-pdf/19920708.pdf

I am guessing the news media hyping the "you people" comment early that month hurt him with blacks in the June polls.

buck000

07-09-2019, 12:17 PM

My dad worked on his campaign in Delray Beach FL, was totally into him. He and I both voted for Perot. RIP.

PursuePeace

07-09-2019, 02:55 PM

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Krugminator2

07-09-2019, 03:17 PM

Perot on the issues (according to the Heritage Foundation): https://www.heritage.org/budget-and-spending/report/guide-the-presidential-candidates-economic-plans

Glad you pointed that out. Perot is like Tucker Carlson, a social democrat. Right man won in hindsight. Bill froze the regulatory state. Cut the capital gains rate. Passed welfare reform. Expanded trade. And spending didn't grow very much. Not perfect but better than Bush Sr and Perot.

Krugminator2

07-09-2019, 03:23 PM

We can always depend on Zippy to give us the establishment perspective. It was as predictable as the sun rising that you would come here to s*** in this thread.
Is he wrong though. Perot was a big government guy. Sure he was anti-establishment but he wasn't a friend of liberty.

PAF

07-09-2019, 03:27 PM

Is he wrong though. Perot was a big government guy. Sure he was anti-establishment but he wasn't a friend of liberty.

He was also a proponent of the "War on Drugs", among other things.

Swordsmyth

07-09-2019, 03:34 PM

PAF

07-09-2019, 03:41 PM

It's funny reading all the posts praising him from people who would have demonized him if he had won just like they do Trump.

Perot would probably have been better than Clinton or Bush but he was no anarcho-libertarian, I guess as long as you lose instead of win purity doesn't matter.
Anarcho-libertarians, putting the LOSER in losertarian.

Screw your "losertarian" BS, it is getting old.

I agree with you about Perot being much, much better than bush and clinton, had he won. Not only that, he would have been FAR better than that NY Lib you support.

kahless

07-09-2019, 03:42 PM

Glad you pointed that out. Perot is like Tucker Carlson, a social democrat. Right man won in hindsight. Bill froze the regulatory state. Cut the capital gains rate. Passed welfare reform. Expanded trade. And spending didn't grow very much. Not perfect but better than Bush Sr and Perot.

Welfare reform my ass. The so called "welfare reform" subjected every American by law to be entered into the new hires database upon hire for tracking. It was and is a cancer on families and marriage with the child support income shares model. It establishes an incentive for women to divorce men and keep the children. Takes away occupational licensing and passports from poor people that are unable to pay which further made it more difficult for them to pay creating a new class of criminal fathers, many through no fault of their own.

Expanded trade, yeah that giant sucking sound Perot talked about became a reality. Clinton betrayed the American workforce and decimated US manufacturing.

Treasonous, yet of course celebrated by some on RPF. (sometimes I wonder how many of these people here are actually American since very few Americans benefited from these polices). Clinton benefited from being in office during the federal reserve boom cycle and the tech boom, a false boom that of course eventually came crashing down.

Swordsmyth

07-09-2019, 03:45 PM

Screw your "losertarian" BS, it is getting old.

I agree with you about Perot being much, much better than bush and clinton, had he won. Not only that, he would have been FAR better than that NY Lib you support.
Did I touch a nerve?

PAF

07-09-2019, 03:53 PM

Did I touch a nerve?

Curious how you claim you advocate liberty, but I have noticed that you keep far and away from posts such as this:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?536555-Northrop-Captures-95M-DHS-Biometrics-ID-Contract-(Drain-the-Swamp-)

You are decent at gathering some mainstream information and posting multitudes of it here on the forum, how about putting some of that effort into what is actually causing our shift toward a totalitarian state? Or does the MIC turning on its own "subjects" who "fund" them not bother you?

Swordsmyth

07-09-2019, 03:55 PM

Curious how you claim you advocate liberty, but I have noticed that you keep far and away from posts such as this:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?536555-Northrop-Captures-95M-DHS-Biometrics-ID-Contract-(Drain-the-Swamp-)

You are decent at gathering some mainstream information and posting multitudes of it here on the forum, how about putting some of that effort into what is actually causing our shift toward a totalitarian state? Or does the MIC turning on its own "subjects" who "fund" them not bother you?
I post where I feel like and where my input is needed.

Why don't you post in every thread?

PAF

07-09-2019, 03:58 PM

I post where I feel like and where my input is needed.

Of course. Like the holy rosary in The Exorcist.

Here, try it:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?536555-Northrop-Captures-95M-DHS-Biometrics-ID-Contract-(Drain-the-Swamp-)

Swordsmyth

07-09-2019, 04:04 PM

Of course. Like the holy rosary in The Exorcist.

Here, try it:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?536555-Northrop-Captures-95M-DHS-Biometrics-ID-Contract-(Drain-the-Swamp-)

I don't need to preach to the choir on subjects we all agree on.

But losertarians like you just love wasting time beating dead horses.

You posted it, that's good, now we know about it, just don't expect everyone to spend all day agreeing with eachother, we have better things to do.

Swordsmyth

07-09-2019, 04:06 PM

RIP Ross, you may have lost but at least you didn't have to endure being stabbed in the back for not being pure enough.

PAF

07-09-2019, 04:12 PM

I don't need to preach to the choir on subjects we all agree on.

But losertarians like you just love wasting time beating dead horses.

You posted it, that's good, now we know about it, just don't expect everyone to spend all day agreeing with eachother, we have better things to do.

You are right, of course, please accept my childish antics. Rather than to bump the thread to keep it up top, share it elsewhere, and perhaps contacting Reps with associated bill numbers, it is MUCH better to let little things like this just go away by themselves - all while discussing sex scandals that are already in the forefront.

PursuePeace

07-09-2019, 04:23 PM

https://www.azquotes.com/vangogh-image-quotes/132/6/Quotation-Ross-Perot-In-business-people-are-held-accountable-In-Washington-nobody-is-132-6-0670.jpg

UWDude

07-09-2019, 04:27 PM

You are right, of course, please accept my childish antics. Rather than to bump the thread to keep it up top, share it elsewhere, and perhaps contacting Reps with associated bill numbers, it is MUCH better to let little things like this just go away by themselves - all while discussing sex scandals that are already in the forefront.

pizzagate is not in the forefront, nor is it just a "sex scandal".

and lolita express is only in the forefront if it is talkng about Trump. Wikipedia was edited almost immediately once Epstein was arrested.. ...to remove all names except Trump.

And of course, you and your pals posting every piece of unsubstantiated mud you can on Trump and Epstein is surely "advancing the cause of liberty".

Brian4Liberty

07-09-2019, 07:26 PM

Glad you pointed that out. Perot is like Tucker Carlson, a social democrat. Right man won in hindsight. Bill froze the regulatory state. Cut the capital gains rate. Passed welfare reform. Expanded trade. And spending didn't grow very much. Not perfect but better than Bush Sr and Perot.

He was also a proponent of the "War on Drugs", among other things.

He died, he did not announce a run for office. There is no way to know where he would stand on some of the issues today. That information was from 1992. How many candidates today want to stand where they did in 1992? Joe Biden? Kamala Harris?

Clinton? Do we need to detail what he wanted to do and what he actually did? He wanted to increase the top personal income tax rate from 31 percent to 36 percent. He and Gore would have been pushing the Green New deal back then, working hand in hand with Goldman Sachs. They were stopped by Gingrich and a GOP controlled Congress.

dannno

07-09-2019, 07:49 PM

Perot led only one month's polls. He was declining when he withdrew.

He was tied for the lead when he withdrew.

Zippyjuan

07-09-2019, 07:54 PM

He was tied for the lead when he withdrew.

After leading by eight points just a couple of weeks before (39%- 31%). His share had declined from 39% of voters to 32% in that same timeframe.

dannno

07-09-2019, 07:58 PM

After leading by eight points just a couple of weeks before (39%- 31%). His share had declined from 39% of voters to 32% in that same timeframe.

That's called "normalizing" voter demographic. They realized that the wrong guy was ahead, and he never had a chance of winning, so they needed to reduce his percentage.That is how polling companies operate.

PAF

07-09-2019, 07:59 PM

He died, he did not announce a run for office. There is no way to know where he would stand on some of the issues today. That information was from 1992. How many candidates today want to stand where they did in 1992? Joe Biden? Kamala Harris?

Clinton? Do we need to detail what he wanted to do and what he actually did? He wanted to increase the top personal income tax rate from 31 percent to 36 percent. He and Gore would have been pushing the Green New deal back then, working hand in hand with Goldman Sachs. They were stopped by Gingrich and a GOP controlled Congress.

Why the federal issue over this? I knew Ross when I worked for him and had the pleasure of getting to know him. Great guy, very personable, and a good sense of humor. Ross was a stickler and knew where he stood. He was a proponent of the War on Drugs - when he ran. Whether he changed his position later in life is irrelevant since he did not run for office later in life.

Ross will be missed, my sympathies go to his family and friends.

Zippyjuan

07-09-2019, 08:02 PM

That's called "normalizing" voter demographic. They realized that the wrong guy was ahead, and he never had a chance of winning, so they needed to reduce his percentage.That is how polling companies operate.

Polling companies want to produce the most reliable data they can so that customers will want to use their services.

Swordsmyth

07-09-2019, 08:13 PM

Polling companies want to produce the most reliable data they can so that customers will want to use their services.

https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2FHqk8lQq i8ECsw%2Fgiphy.gif&f=1

UWDude

07-09-2019, 08:27 PM

Ross loved his country. He wan't running for president to reward his crony friends like the Bush/Clinton dynasties.
He really cared. And that counts for a lot.

I also will note he was the only candidate opposed to the first Iraq war.

Brian4Liberty

07-09-2019, 08:29 PM

Why the federal issue over this? I knew Ross when I worked for him and had the pleasure of getting to know him. Great guy, very personable, and a good sense of humor. Ross was a stickler and knew where he stood. He was a proponent of the War on Drugs - when he ran. Whether he changed his position later in life is irrelevant since he did not run for office later in life.

Ross will be missed, my sympathies go to his family and friends.

It was directed more at the Clinton fans. I would hope that by now Perot would have modernized his view on marijuana at least. Being a money hawk, he certainly should have noticed the amount of wasted money on the WOD between 1992 and 2019.

PAF

07-09-2019, 08:33 PM

It was directed more at the Clinton fans. I would hope that by now Perot would have modernized his view on marijuana at least. Being a money hawk, he certainly should have noticed the amount of wasted money on the WOD between 1992 and 2019.

I am pretty confident that once he looked at the data he would have changed his tune. Ross never let emotion get in the way of things, he always looked at facts.

kahless

07-09-2019, 08:34 PM

That's called "normalizing" voter demographic. They realized that the wrong guy was ahead, and he never had a chance of winning, so they needed to reduce his percentage.That is how polling companies operate.

He was only slightly behind Bush by 1% in that very last poll but still ahead of Clinton. Looking at that poll it looks like if you remove blacks from the polling he was way ahead both in that last poll. It would seem the "you people" statement he made earlier in June caught up with him and brought his numbers with blacks down.

The Pew Research poll that month had Perot ahead in ages 25-49 and 65+. He tied Bush with ages 50-65 and was behind Bush by 2 points for 18-24.
https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/legacy-pdf/19920708.pdf

UWDude

07-09-2019, 08:36 PM

It was directed more at the Clinton fans. I would hope that by now Perot would have modernized his view on marijuana at least. Being a money hawk, he certainly should have noticed the amount of wasted money on the WOD between 1992 and 2019.

in 1992, saying marijuana should be legalized wasnt even an option. It was a crazy idea back then. All the movies, culture, and PSA were making marijuana out to be the worst drug int he world, and all the bad guys were Drug dealers being hunted down by the mighty FBI or rogue cop or DEA. I am quite sure Ross held a majoritarian view on the subject.

Fast forward 20 years, and Ross may have changed his tune, since it was not so unacceptable, but really, this is all pure speculation.

oyarde

07-09-2019, 08:47 PM

Rest In Peace .

Anti Globalist

07-09-2019, 09:05 PM

It sucks that after 92 and 96 Perot faded into obscurity and never mentioned again.

PAF

07-09-2019, 09:13 PM

It sucks that after 92 and 96 Perot faded into obscurity and never mentioned again.

Even GM got rid of him and managed to get a 10 year anti-competition before he was able to start Perot Systems, which he did.

Pauls' Revere

07-09-2019, 09:16 PM

Voted for him.

Warrior_of_Freedom

07-09-2019, 09:17 PM

We can always depend on Zippy to give us the establishment perspective. It was as predictable as the sun rising that you would come here to s*** in this thread.

I think the only reason you haven't banned zippy after 10 years is because then the rest would attack each other

Swordsmyth

07-09-2019, 09:19 PM

I think the only reason you haven't banned zippy after 10 years is because then the rest would attack each other
If that is the plan it isn't working.

Pauls' Revere

07-09-2019, 09:23 PM

Who is the closest thing to Ross Perot we have today?

PAF

07-09-2019, 09:24 PM

Who is the closest thing to Ross Perot we have today?

McAfee

Swordsmyth

07-09-2019, 09:25 PM

Who is the closest thing to Ross Perot we have today?
Trump.

PAF

07-09-2019, 09:27 PM

Trump.

I owe you one:
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LOL

Ain't NO way he would have passed that pathetic Omnibus, for starters.

LOL

PAF

07-09-2019, 09:28 PM

Double post

Swordsmyth

07-09-2019, 09:31 PM

I owe you one:
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LOL

Ain't NO way he would have passed that pathetic Omnibus, for starters.

LOL
Maybe, he also wouldn't have done good things that Trump has done.
And there is nobody closer, there are people much better than both though.

ATruepatriot

07-09-2019, 09:33 PM

I agree, I was born just before Kennedy was shot and have followed what I could understand as I grew up.... And this is a Perot/Ron Paul "wrench in the works" happening right now... Dig it... It's rocking the boat on both sides of the aisle.

Pauls' Revere

07-09-2019, 09:42 PM

there are people much better than both though.

List please: I'm at a loss.

Swordsmyth

07-09-2019, 09:50 PM

List please: I'm at a loss.
Rand, Massie, Buchanan, possibly others.

PAF

07-09-2019, 09:52 PM

Maybe, he also wouldn't have done good things that Trump has done.
And there is nobody closer, there are people much better than both though.

I do not dis trump for the hell of it. I hold ALL of their feet to the fire. Whether trump is over his head and he is playing chess (or not), he is not good for the republican sheep who lose all sense of principle.

I knew Ross. He was a straight shooter. I may have disagreed with some things, such as WoD, but you knew exactly where you stood with him. Property rights for one, Ross would NEVER muck with that. He would have called for an end to welfare right from the get go, because he simply did not believe in it. Perhaps he would have been shot, but Republicans would have respected him - AND his core principles.

When you get right down to it, whether trump is trying (or not), the MIC is simply too powerful. Court battles here, pulling out there, nominating a judge or pro-gold Judy - the MIC is simply too powerful because it has existed far too long and involved in every aspect of life. Try telling the millions who are employed that they will lose their jobs, where they manufacture weapons, biometric and other technology.

Take a peek:

https://www.dhs.gov/prime-contractors

donnay

07-09-2019, 09:52 PM

RIP my former boss, I will remember all of the good times down in Plano :-)

I worked in the North Central EDS office. He was quirky and would not let men wear tassle shoes. Overall he was a good man. May he RIP.

PAF

07-09-2019, 09:58 PM

I worked in the North Central EDS office. He was quirky and would not let men wear tassle shoes. Overall he was a good man. May he RIP.

ASIMS, Federal Systems Division, RDC Atlanta, Secret Clearance. I flew in to Plano and always wore tassels. Maybe he never looked at my feet :D

Swordsmyth

07-09-2019, 09:58 PM

I do not dis trump for the hell of it. I hold ALL of their feet to the fire. Whether trump is over his head and he is playing chess (or not), he is not good for the republican sheep who lose all sense of principle.

I knew Ross. He was a straight shooter. I may have disagreed with some things, such as WoD, but you knew exactly where you stood with him. Property rights for one, Ross would NEVER muck with that. He would have called for an end to welfare right from the get go, because he simply did not believe in it. Perhaps he would have been shot, but Republicans would have respected him - AND his core principles.

When you get right down to it, whether trump is trying (or not), the MIC is simply too powerful. Court battles here, pulling out there, nominating a judge or pro-gold Judy - the MIC is simply too powerful because it has existed far too long and involved in every aspect of life. Try telling the millions who are employed that they will lose their jobs, where they manufacture weapons, biometric and other technology.

Take a peek:

https://www.dhs.gov/prime-contractors
Perot had a company that processed welfare checks.

PAF

07-09-2019, 10:05 PM

Perot had a company that processed welfare checks.

If'n you count the Pentagons Federal Systems Division as Welfare, THAT we agree on.

ATruepatriot

07-09-2019, 10:09 PM

Perot had a company that processed welfare checks.

I think now it is Visa? Twice the taxpayers dollars to make sure no one cheats. We would have been better off with the stamps. Much cheaper and we cut out the middle man no matter how many cheat... As it is now Visa profits from poverty. Sorry, but there is something wrong with that connection.

Swordsmyth

07-09-2019, 10:12 PM

I think now it is Visa? Twice the taxpayers dollars to make sure no one cheats. We would have been better off with the stamps. Much cheaper and we cut out the middle man no matter how many cheat... As it is now Visa profits from poverty. Sorry, but there is something wrong with that connection.
Yes, not all privatization is healthy no matter what the AnCaps think.

Zippyjuan

07-09-2019, 10:12 PM

McAfee

McAfee was going to run for president. Instead he ran away and fled the country.

PAF

07-09-2019, 10:16 PM

Yes, not all privatization is healthy no matter what the AnCaps think.

I don't think ANYBODY on this forum believes all privatization is healthy due to the fact that government is so deeply imbedded. That is where the term corporatist comes to play.

There are businesses around me that absolutely will not deal with credit - it is cash only. Inconvenient for some, but it is a much better way to do business. Credit, I owe you's - debt = slavery.

ATruepatriot

07-09-2019, 10:17 PM

McAfee was going to run for president. Instead he ran away and fled the country.

He got caught implanting viruses and charging to remove them. Scam. I personally was part of that exposure.

PAF

07-09-2019, 10:18 PM

McAfee was going to run for president. Instead he ran away and fled the country.

Right wrong or indifferent, maybe he's the smart one. Taxation is theft plain and simple.

https://www.coinliker.com/news/u-s-presidential-candidate-john-mcafee-flees-the-country-for-alleged-tax-fraud-KJ1r2h

Zippyjuan

07-09-2019, 10:19 PM

He got caught implanting viruses and charging to remove them. Scam. I personally was part of that exposure.

IRS is looking for him too.

ATruepatriot

07-09-2019, 10:23 PM

McAfee was going to run for president. Instead he ran away and fled the country.

In fact... I caught Norton doing the same and then they stopped when McAfee got busted...

Swordsmyth

07-09-2019, 10:24 PM

He got caught implanting viruses and charging to remove them. Scam. I personally was part of that exposure.
You must spread some reputation around..........................

Now he goes around acting like a madman to discredit liberty people by pretending to be part of the movement.

ATruepatriot

07-09-2019, 10:28 PM

IRS is looking for him too.

I would not doubt it. I know the only time I ever had a virus was when I had an antivirus installed. Almost 15 years now no viruses at all, and none installed. How does that work? Only share with those I love... :)

ATruepatriot

07-09-2019, 10:29 PM

You must spread some reputation around..........................

Now he goes around acting like a madman to discredit liberty people by pretending to be part of the movement.

Crook...

Zippyjuan

07-09-2019, 10:30 PM

I would not doubt it. I know the only time I ever had a virus was when I had an antivirus installed. Almost 15 years now no viruses at all, and none installed. How does that work? Only share with those I love... :)

Most operating systems include anti-virus.

ATruepatriot

07-09-2019, 10:44 PM

Most operating systems include anti-virus.

No they don't, get rid of that MS crap and the kernel fixes the problem. Linux all the way man... Can't crack the kernel, can't virus it. OK, I will share why it s safer not having antivirus. A virus has to first find and identify the antivirus software you are using, if it finds none, it becomes confused and doesn't know how to proceed from there because they are written to pass software that it cannot even find in the first place.

Swordsmyth

07-10-2019, 01:01 AM

Who is the closest thing to Ross Perot we have today?

Trump.

I agree, I was born just before Kennedy was shot and have followed what I could understand as I grew up.... And this is a Perot/Ron Paul "wrench in the works" happening right now... Dig it... It's rocking the boat on both sides of the aisle.

I do not dis trump for the hell of it. I hold ALL of their feet to the fire. Whether trump is over his head and he is playing chess (or not), he is not good for the republican sheep who lose all sense of principle.

I knew Ross. He was a straight shooter. I may have disagreed with some things, such as WoD, but you knew exactly where you stood with him. Property rights for one, Ross would NEVER muck with that. He would have called for an end to welfare right from the get go, because he simply did not believe in it. Perhaps he would have been shot, but Republicans would have respected him - AND his core principles.

When you get right down to it, whether trump is trying (or not), the MIC is simply too powerful. Court battles here, pulling out there, nominating a judge or pro-gold Judy - the MIC is simply too powerful because it has existed far too long and involved in every aspect of life. Try telling the millions who are employed that they will lose their jobs, where they manufacture weapons, biometric and other technology.

Take a peek:

https://www.dhs.gov/prime-contractors
In his last documented political act, self-made billionaire and two-time presidential candidate Ross Perot (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/billionaire-ross-perot-who-ran-twice-for-president-dead-at-89) wrote out two checks to President Trump’s (https://www.foxnews.com/category/person/donald-trump) re-election campaign before succumbing to his battle with leukemia at the age of 89, according to a report.

In March, Perot wrote two checks of the maximum legal limit to Trump’s reelection campaign, including next year’s general election, the Boston Globe reported (https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2019/07/09/how-ross-perot-paved-way-for-donald-trump/c5nVo4Je1CIRcFYEAHqHiI/story.html?event=event25).

More at: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ross-perot-donated-to-trumps-reelection-campaign-before-death-report

donnay

07-10-2019, 07:13 AM

Ross Perot donated to Trump’s re-election campaign before death: report

By Bradford Betz | Fox News

In his last documented political act, self-made billionaire and two-time presidential candidate Ross Perot wrote out two checks to President Trump’s re-election campaign before succumbing to his battle with leukemia at the age of 89, according to a report.

Perot, who ran for president as a third-party candidate in 1992 and 1996, is largely credited with providing a road map for Trump's presidential campaign.

Like Trump, Perot ran as a billionaire populist against the Republican establishment. His focus on the North American Free Trade Agreement – rather than the national debt – and his use of cable news for laying out his agenda were both familiar elements of Trump’s campaign.

As Democratic strategist James Carville put it in a 2016 podcast: “If Donald Trump is the Jesus of the disenchanted, displaced non-college white voter, then Perot was the John the Baptist of that sort of movement.”

In 2000, Trump briefly considered running for president in Perot’s Reform Party before scrapping the idea. Perot’s model, of running as a third-party candidate in a two-party political system, taught Trump that he needed to run as a Republican in 2016 – a lesson that ultimately led to his victory.

n March, Perot wrote two checks of the maximum legal limit to Trump’s re-election campaign, including next year’s general election, the Boston Globe reported.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ross-perot-donated-to-trumps-reelection-campaign-before-death-report?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%20foxnews%2Fpolitics%20%28Int ernal%20-%20Politics%20-%20Text%29

donnay

07-10-2019, 08:20 AM

David Knight's Tribute to Ross Perot:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ShhrwVnSgE

Zippyjuan

07-10-2019, 10:43 AM

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ross-perot-donated-to-trumps-reelection-campaign-before-death-report?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A%20foxnews%2Fpolitics%20%28Int ernal%20-%20Politics%20-%20Text%29

Story was updated to show that it was not Perot but his son who donated to Trump's campaign.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ross-perot-donated-to-trumps-reelection-campaign-before-death-report

Ross Perot’s son donated to Trump’s re-election campaign before dad’s death

Editor’s Note: A previous version of this report wrongly attributed the Trump donation to Ross Perot Sr.

The populist campaigns of Ross Perot, who died Tuesday at the age of 89, were widely seen as having paved the way for the eventual election victory of Donald Trump.

But his family boosted Trump in other ways – earlier this year, his son Ross Perot Jr. donated to Trump’s re-election campaign.

A Boston Globe report initially attributed those donations to Perot Sr. but a family spokesman confirmed they came from his son.

The maximum amount an individual can donate is $2,800 but they can donate for the primary in addition to the general election so a maximum of $5,600.

In March, Perot wrote two checks of the maximum legal limit to Trump’s re-election campaign, including next year’s general election, the Boston Globe reported.