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Swordsmyth
07-02-2019, 04:14 PM
Dunkin’ Donuts (who we’re technically supposed to just call “Dunkin” now, but that’s not going to happen) has been on a bit of a blitz campaign over the past few months. They’ve been canceling their franchise agreements with a number of franchisees, primarily in the northeast, and moving to boot them out of the premises. Why would they do that? Because an internal review found that several of those outlets were failing to properly verify the citizenship status and legal right to work of their employees. Those found to not be using E-Verify as is specified in the franchise agreements were targeted for removal (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/dunkin-dumps-store-owners-for-hiring-undocumented-workers).
More at: https://hotair.com/archives/2019/07/02/dunkin-donuts-cracks-illegal-workers/
Anti Globalist
07-02-2019, 04:25 PM
My dad used to work for Dunkin Donuts. Owned a store back in the 80s before he sold it and then worked for them again to find new locations to open up new stores. He would be proud of this.
Zippyjuan
07-02-2019, 05:56 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEf0utNqvNU
oyarde
07-02-2019, 06:00 PM
Don't they have to fill out an I 9 form on employees in the northeast ?
Swordsmyth
07-02-2019, 06:09 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEf0utNqvNU
If it isn't mandatory it doesn't threaten anyone.
Ron never opposed it except as a mandate.
If it isn't mandatory it doesn't threaten anyone.
Ron never opposed it except as a mandate.
eVerify checks against a government database. What may be “optional”, until it is fully rolled out, will eventually be mandated, unless people take a hard stand to reject it now - not later.
Ron Paul expressly objects to eVerify, stating that it is a tool of an authoritarian government.
SwordShill’s statement: “Ron never opposed it except as a mandate.” is simply a full blown statist lie. If you have not watched The Liberty Report video above, take it from Ron himself and not some liar who abhors liberty.
Swordsmyth
07-02-2019, 08:34 PM
eVerify checks against a government database. What may be “optional”, until it is fully rolled out, will eventually be mandated, unless people take a hard stand to reject it now - not later.
Ron Paul expressly objects to eVerify, stating that it is a tool of an authoritarian government.
SwordShill’s statement: “Ron never opposed it except as a mandate.” is simply a full blown statist lie. If you have not watched The Liberty Report video above, take it from Ron himself and not some liar who abhors liberty.
I listened to the video, he objects to it being a government mandate, he keeps talking about "MANDATORY" e-verify over and over.
I listened to the video, he objects to it being a government mandate, he keeps talking about "MANDATORY" e-verify over and over.
Intelligent people will listen to Ron speaking in the video above, not some liar who twists words and meanings. For cripes sake, the video is right there and you still try to spew your statist garbage.
Swordsmyth
07-02-2019, 08:45 PM
Intelligent people will listen to Ron speaking in the video above, not some liar who twists words and meanings. For cripes sake, the video is right there and you still try to spew your statist garbage.
LOL
Intelligent people certainly can listen to Ron say "Mandatory" over and over.
If it isn't mandatory it can't be abused in the ways he talks about the "Mandatory" version being abused.
dannno
07-02-2019, 08:52 PM
Intelligent people will listen to Ron speaking in the video above, not some liar who twists words and meanings. For cripes sake, the video is right there and you still try to spew your statist garbage.
If he was against e-verify as an information service for private companies, he probably would have specified that. It's probably even Constitutional. As he referred to it as mandatory e-verify several times, that means that companies would be required to use it, and that is obviously far more egregious.
LOL
Intelligent people certainly can listen to Ron say "Mandatory" over and over.
If it isn't mandatory it can't be abused in the ways he talks about the "Mandatory" version being abused.
You are so full of sh|t it really is pathetic. “Optional” eVerify — any retarded monkey would know that once rolled out it would absolutely be mandated by this government - give it time and buy-in by folks like you - AND Duncan Donuts which I am certain you creamed-puffed over.
Swordsmyth
07-02-2019, 09:01 PM
You are so full of sh|t it really is pathetic. “Optional” eVerify — any retarded monkey would know that once rolled out it would absolutely be mandated by this government - give it time and buy-in by folks like you - AND Duncan Donuts which I am certain you creamed-puffed over.
LOL
It has been around for a very long time and it isn't mandatory.
Stop trying to twist Ron's words, he made his position against MANDATORY e-verify quite clear.
If he was against e-verify as an information service for private companies, he probably would have specified that. It's probably even Constitutional. As he referred to it as mandatory e-verify several times, that means that companies would be required to use it, and that is obviously far more egregious.
Companies can not obtain private information from private individuals without a government database which compiles and houses all of that data. Oh yes, U.N. has a detailed paper how it wants to maintain all of that data from all countries around the globe. Look it up.
oyarde
07-02-2019, 09:09 PM
So northeastern liberals are purposely staffing donut shops with illegals . Not really sure it would be that surprising . Last one I went to was on Stop 11 Road in Indianapolis , all americans in there .
dannno
07-02-2019, 09:14 PM
Companies can not obtain private information from private individuals without a government database which compiles and houses all of that data. Oh yes, U.N. has a detailed paper how it wants to maintain all of that data from all countries around the globe. Look it up.
As far as the information is limited to criminal background and immigration status, I'm not sure that is considered private information.
devil21
07-02-2019, 09:23 PM
I listened to the video, he objects to it being a government mandate, he keeps talking about "MANDATORY" e-verify over and over.
Yes, right after he says immigration hardliners are sure to push MANDATORY E-VERIFY INTO ANY IMMIGRATION REFORM BILL. He's telling you that Congress will MAKE it mandatory so best to oppose it now while it's still optional.
PAF is right. Your spin comments are getting more dishonest by the day. But to be expected from a theocratic world government supporter.
Swordsmyth
07-02-2019, 10:36 PM
Yes, right after he says immigration hardliners are sure to push MANDATORY E-VERIFY INTO ANY IMMIGRATION REFORM BILL. He's telling you that Congress will MAKE it mandatory so best to oppose it now while it's still optional.
PAF is right. Your spin comments are getting more dishonest by the day. But to be expected from a theocratic world government supporter.
You and PAF are the dishonest ones, he warns us to stop MANDATORY e-verify and he warns us they will try to put it in an immigration bill but he never calls for ending the voluntary program or tells anyone not to use it.
If Ron was against the voluntary version he wouldn't have kept using the word "mandatory" and he would have called for an end to the current voluntary program.
devil21
07-02-2019, 10:42 PM
You and PAF are the dishonest ones, he warns us to stop MANDATORY e-verify and he warns us they will try to put it in an immigration bill but he never calls for ending the voluntary program or tells anyone not to use it.
If Ron was against the voluntary version he wouldn't have kept using the word "mandatory" and he would have called for an end to the current voluntary program.
So you think Dr. Paul supports government databases for tracking information about Americans, whether voluntary or mandatory? Wouldn't he call that an overreach of Constitutional government and ask you where in the Constitution it is authorized as a legitimate role of government?
Swordsmyth
07-02-2019, 10:48 PM
So you think Dr. Paul supports government databases for tracking information about Americans, whether voluntary or mandatory? Wouldn't he call that an overreach of Constitutional government and ask you where in the Constitution it is authorized as a legitimate role of government?
I know what he said and what he didn't say, you are putting words in his mouth.
devil21
07-02-2019, 10:54 PM
I know what he said and what he didn't say, you are putting words in his mouth.
You must be new to Dr. Paul's positions on the role of Constitutional government. Please visit this thread to familiarize yourself with the namesake of this forum:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?339132-***-New-to-Ron-Paul-***-Start-here
Swordsmyth
07-02-2019, 11:01 PM
You must be new to Dr. Paul's positions on the role of Constitutional government. Please visit this thread to familiarize yourself with the namesake of this forum:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?339132-***-New-to-Ron-Paul-***-Start-here
:sleeping:
Stop trying to change the subject and read Ron's mind, everyone can hear for themselves what he said and what he didn't say.
:sleeping:
Stop trying to change the subject and read Ron's mind, everyone can hear for themselves what he said and what he didn't say.
Ron knows that it is already in voluntary use, and in the article refers to it as such. That does not mean that he supports it. Ron is principled enough to not tell a business what to do or not do, but it is clear by the language he is using that he opposes anybody being recorded in a government/federal database, regardless if they are immigrant or American.
6576
E-Verify is a (currently) voluntary program where businesses check job applicants’ Social Security numbers and other Information — potentially including “biometric” identifiers like fingerprints — against information stored in a federal database to determine if the job applicants are legally in the United States.
_______________________
Ron Paul Warns 'E-Verify' Threatens Us All
Authored by Ron Paul via The Ron Paul Institute for Peace & Prosperity
In addition to funding for a border wall and other border security measures, immigration hardliners are sure to push to include mandatory E-Verify in any immigration legislation considered by Congress. E-Verify is a (currently) voluntary program where businesses check job applicants’ Social Security numbers and other Information — potentially including “biometric” identifiers like fingerprints — against information stored in a federal database to determine if the job applicants are legally in the United States.
Imagine how much time would be diverted from serving consumers and growing the economy if every US business had to comply with E-Verify. Also, collecting the relevant information and operating the mandatory E-Verify system will prove costly to taxpayers.
Millions of Americans could be denied jobs because E-Verify mistakenly identifies them as illegal immigrants. These Americans would be forced to go through a costly and time-consuming process to force the government to correct its mistake. It is doubtful employers could afford to keep jobs open while potential hires went through this process.
A federal database with Social Security numbers and other identifying information is an identify thief’s dream. Given the federal government’s poor track record for protecting personal information, is there any doubt mandatory E-Verify would put millions of Americans at risk for identity theft?
Some supporters of E-Verify deny the program poses any threat to civil liberties, as it will only be used to verify citizenship or legal residency. They even claim a system forcing individuals to have their identities certified by the government is not a national ID system.
These individuals are ignoring the history of government programs sold as only affecting a particular group or being used for a limited purpose being expanded beyond initial targets.
For example, Americans were promised that only the wealthiest Americans would ever pay income taxes. And some of the PATRIOT Act’s worst provisions that we were told would only be used against terrorists are routinely used to investigate drug crimes.
E-Verify almost certainly will be used for purposes unrelated to immigration. One potential use of E-Verify is to limit the job prospects of anyone whose lifestyle displeases the government. This could include those accused of failing to pay their fair share in taxes, those who homeschool or do not vaccinate their children, or those who own firearms.
Unscrupulous government officials could use E-Verify against those who practice antiwar, anti-tax, anti-surveillance, and anti-Federal Reserve activism. Those who consider this unlikely should remember the long history of the IRS targeting the political enemies of those in power and the use of anti-terrorism laws to harass antiwar activists. They should also consider the current moves to outlaw certain types of “politically incorrect” speech, such as disputing the alleged “consensus” regarding climate change.
Claiming that mandatory E-Verify is necessary to stop illegal immigration does not make it constitutional. Furthermore, having to ask the federal government for permission before obtaining a job is a characteristic of authoritarian societies, not free ones. History shows that mandatory E-Verify’s use will expand beyond immigration enforcement and could be used as a tool of political repression. All those who value liberty should oppose mandatory E-Verify.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-12/ron-paul-warns-e-verify-threatens-us-all
donnay
07-03-2019, 06:44 AM
Dunkin’ Donuts (who we’re technically supposed to just call “Dunkin” now, but that’s not going to happen) has been on a bit of a blitz campaign over the past few months. They’ve been canceling their franchise agreements with a number of franchisees, primarily in the northeast, and moving to boot them out of the premises. Why would they do that? Because an internal review found that several of those outlets were failing to properly verify the citizenship status and legal right to work of their employees. Those found to not be using E-Verify as is specified in the franchise agreements were targeted for removal (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/dunkin-dumps-store-owners-for-hiring-undocumented-workers).
More at: https://hotair.com/archives/2019/07/02/dunkin-donuts-cracks-illegal-workers/
I bet they are mostly in Massachusetts.
specsaregood
07-03-2019, 06:47 AM
If this is about the Northeast then most of these illegals are probably Indians, related to others here on a H1b or alike.
I bet they are mostly in Massachusetts.
Ron Paul: "Claiming that mandatory E-Verify is necessary to stop illegal immigration does not make it constitutional. Furthermore, having to ask the federal government for permission before obtaining a job is a characteristic of authoritarian societies, not free ones."
donnay
07-03-2019, 06:52 AM
Ron knows that it is already in voluntary use, and in the article refers to it as such. That does not mean that he supports it. Ron is principled enough to not tell a business what to do or not do, but it is clear by the language he is using that he opposes anybody being recorded in a government/federal database, regardless if they are immigrant or American.
6576
E-Verify is a (currently) voluntary program where businesses check job applicants’ Social Security numbers and other Information — potentially including “biometric” identifiers like fingerprints — against information stored in a federal database to determine if the job applicants are legally in the United States.
_______________________
Ron Paul Warns 'E-Verify' Threatens Us All
Authored by Ron Paul via The Ron Paul Institute for Peace & Prosperity
In addition to funding for a border wall and other border security measures, immigration hardliners are sure to push to include mandatory E-Verify in any immigration legislation considered by Congress. E-Verify is a (currently) voluntary program where businesses check job applicants’ Social Security numbers and other Information — potentially including “biometric” identifiers like fingerprints — against information stored in a federal database to determine if the job applicants are legally in the United States.
Imagine how much time would be diverted from serving consumers and growing the economy if every US business had to comply with E-Verify. Also, collecting the relevant information and operating the mandatory E-Verify system will prove costly to taxpayers.
Millions of Americans could be denied jobs because E-Verify mistakenly identifies them as illegal immigrants. These Americans would be forced to go through a costly and time-consuming process to force the government to correct its mistake. It is doubtful employers could afford to keep jobs open while potential hires went through this process.
A federal database with Social Security numbers and other identifying information is an identify thief’s dream. Given the federal government’s poor track record for protecting personal information, is there any doubt mandatory E-Verify would put millions of Americans at risk for identity theft?
Some supporters of E-Verify deny the program poses any threat to civil liberties, as it will only be used to verify citizenship or legal residency. They even claim a system forcing individuals to have their identities certified by the government is not a national ID system.
These individuals are ignoring the history of government programs sold as only affecting a particular group or being used for a limited purpose being expanded beyond initial targets.
For example, Americans were promised that only the wealthiest Americans would ever pay income taxes. And some of the PATRIOT Act’s worst provisions that we were told would only be used against terrorists are routinely used to investigate drug crimes.
E-Verify almost certainly will be used for purposes unrelated to immigration. One potential use of E-Verify is to limit the job prospects of anyone whose lifestyle displeases the government. This could include those accused of failing to pay their fair share in taxes, those who homeschool or do not vaccinate their children, or those who own firearms.
Unscrupulous government officials could use E-Verify against those who practice antiwar, anti-tax, anti-surveillance, and anti-Federal Reserve activism. Those who consider this unlikely should remember the long history of the IRS targeting the political enemies of those in power and the use of anti-terrorism laws to harass antiwar activists. They should also consider the current moves to outlaw certain types of “politically incorrect” speech, such as disputing the alleged “consensus” regarding climate change.
Claiming that mandatory E-Verify is necessary to stop illegal immigration does not make it constitutional. Furthermore, having to ask the federal government for permission before obtaining a job is a characteristic of authoritarian societies, not free ones. History shows that mandatory E-Verify’s use will expand beyond immigration enforcement and could be used as a tool of political repression. All those who value liberty should oppose mandatory E-Verify.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-12/ron-paul-warns-e-verify-threatens-us-all
Problem, reaction--solution. E-Verify is a threat to liberty, no doubt. People like Mitt Romney were pushing it for all. The way to stop it from happening is end welfare. That would end the incentive for many people wanting to come here.
Warrior_of_Freedom
07-03-2019, 10:32 AM
A ton of businesses request your ssn just to apply to a job nowadays. You can protest it but then you won't have a job. What's worse is a lot of them use online applications, so your information gets immediately stolen. I don't think people comprehend to what extent everything is hacked. You hear about major hacks every once in a while, but what about all the hacks that are never caught?
They weren't lying when saying your SSN is a tax slave number. You don't exist without it. I wish my parents never got me one.
And the background check/credit report or whatever companies abuse your SSN with is not far off from the Chinese social points system they are using, except here it's just private companies doing it.
Superfluous Man
07-03-2019, 11:18 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEf0utNqvNU
"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Zippyjuan again."
devil21
07-03-2019, 12:34 PM
A ton of businesses request your ssn just to apply to a job nowadays. You can protest it but then you won't have a job. What's worse is a lot of them use online applications, so your information gets immediately stolen. I don't think people comprehend to what extent everything is hacked. You hear about major hacks every once in a while, but what about all the hacks that are never caught?
They weren't lying when saying your SSN is a tax slave number. You don't exist without it. I wish my parents never got me one.
And the background check/credit report or whatever companies abuse your SSN with is not far off from the Chinese social points system they are using, except here it's just private companies doing it.
Tax slave yes but more directly it is the federal corporation employee ID number and your signature on the SS card establishes an employment contract, with your agreement upon reaching age of majority, enabling the federal corporation to act as trustee (owner and controller) of your estate and the legal trust that was created from your birth certificate (the ALL CAPS NAME on the SS card is the legal name of the trust, it is not you). A full power of attorney given to the federal corporation that you work for, simply put. The legal rabbit hole on this stuff is deep and most people don't have a clue about any of it.
Zippyjuan
07-03-2019, 12:45 PM
Tax slave yes but more directly it is the federal corporation employee ID number and your signature on the SS card establishes an employment contract, with your agreement upon reaching age of majority, enabling the federal corporation to act as trustee (owner and controller) of your estate and the legal trust that was created from your birth certificate (the ALL CAPS NAME on the SS card is the legal name of the trust, it is not you). A full power of attorney given to the federal corporation that you work for, simply put. The legal rabbit hole on this stuff is deep and most people don't have a clue about any of it.
Fake internet meme. There is no "trust" based on your Social Security number or birth certificate.
devil21
07-03-2019, 12:53 PM
Fake internet meme. There is no "trust" based on your Social Security number or birth certificate.
Triggered.
Anti Federalist
07-03-2019, 01:00 PM
Gee...imagine how much better off we all would be if we stopped the invaders at the border, using the organized and unorganized militia, instead of subjecting everybody, guilty and innocent alike, to police state nonsense like this.
But wait a minute...if it is not mandatory, if it is not required, then why does anybody have a problem with what a private business does during it's hiring process?
I thought private business could not tyrannize anybody.
Anti Federalist
07-03-2019, 01:01 PM
I remember I got into trouble with Libertarians because I said there may well be a time when immigration is like an invasion and we have to treat it differently.
Ron Paul on Meet The Press 23 Dec 2007
Gee...imagine how much better off we all would be if we stopped the invaders at the border, using the organized and unorganized militia, instead of subjecting everybody, guilty and innocent alike, to police state nonsense like this.
But wait a minute...if it is not mandatory, if it is not required, then why does anybody have a problem with what a private business does during it's hiring process?
I thought private business could not tyrannize anybody.
Individuals are free to negotiate a wage. Or seek other employment. Or start their own business. If they do not, it is their problem, not mine. I negotiated my wage.
Next up folks, mandatory government minimum wage, mandatory unions, tribunals set forth by the International Labour Organization ie USMCA, et al. !
Anti Federalist
07-03-2019, 01:46 PM
Individuals are free to negotiate a wage. Or seek other employment. Or start their own business. If they do not, it is their problem, not mine. I negotiated my wage.
Next up folks, mandatory government minimum wage, mandatory unions, tribunals set forth by the International Labour Organization ie USMCA, et al. !
OK, so, if it's not mandatory, and the property owner decides it is in his best interest to vet prospective employees this way, you have no issue with this?
OK, so, if it's not mandatory, and the property owner decides it is in his best interest to vet prospective employees this way, you have no issue with this?
I am Agorist. I do not participate in national elections anymore knowing how they work. I have been involved for decades, committees, etc, my uncle councilman, my cousin ex-congressman now governor, republican to boot...
Anyway, while “voluntary”, I would never set foot into a place that utilizes this practice. If/when it becomes mandated, I will look at my options then. But no, I will never help accomplish what authoritarians want to do along side government. Perhaps you would, but I won’t.
Swordsmyth
07-03-2019, 04:47 PM
Ron knows that it is already in voluntary use, and in the article refers to it as such. That does not mean that he supports it. Ron is principled enough to not tell a business what to do or not do, but it is clear by the language he is using that he opposes anybody being recorded in a government/federal database, regardless if they are immigrant or American.
6576
E-Verify is a (currently) voluntary program where businesses check job applicants’ Social Security numbers and other Information — potentially including “biometric” identifiers like fingerprints — against information stored in a federal database to determine if the job applicants are legally in the United States.
_______________________
Ron Paul Warns 'E-Verify' Threatens Us All
Authored by Ron Paul via The Ron Paul Institute for Peace & Prosperity
In addition to funding for a border wall and other border security measures, immigration hardliners are sure to push to include mandatory E-Verify in any immigration legislation considered by Congress. E-Verify is a (currently) voluntary program where businesses check job applicants’ Social Security numbers and other Information — potentially including “biometric” identifiers like fingerprints — against information stored in a federal database to determine if the job applicants are legally in the United States.
Imagine how much time would be diverted from serving consumers and growing the economy if every US business had to comply with E-Verify. Also, collecting the relevant information and operating the mandatory E-Verify system will prove costly to taxpayers.
Millions of Americans could be denied jobs because E-Verify mistakenly identifies them as illegal immigrants. These Americans would be forced to go through a costly and time-consuming process to force the government to correct its mistake. It is doubtful employers could afford to keep jobs open while potential hires went through this process.
A federal database with Social Security numbers and other identifying information is an identify thief’s dream. Given the federal government’s poor track record for protecting personal information, is there any doubt mandatory E-Verify would put millions of Americans at risk for identity theft?
Some supporters of E-Verify deny the program poses any threat to civil liberties, as it will only be used to verify citizenship or legal residency. They even claim a system forcing individuals to have their identities certified by the government is not a national ID system.
These individuals are ignoring the history of government programs sold as only affecting a particular group or being used for a limited purpose being expanded beyond initial targets.
For example, Americans were promised that only the wealthiest Americans would ever pay income taxes. And some of the PATRIOT Act’s worst provisions that we were told would only be used against terrorists are routinely used to investigate drug crimes.
E-Verify almost certainly will be used for purposes unrelated to immigration. One potential use of E-Verify is to limit the job prospects of anyone whose lifestyle displeases the government. This could include those accused of failing to pay their fair share in taxes, those who homeschool or do not vaccinate their children, or those who own firearms.
Unscrupulous government officials could use E-Verify against those who practice antiwar, anti-tax, anti-surveillance, and anti-Federal Reserve activism. Those who consider this unlikely should remember the long history of the IRS targeting the political enemies of those in power and the use of anti-terrorism laws to harass antiwar activists. They should also consider the current moves to outlaw certain types of “politically incorrect” speech, such as disputing the alleged “consensus” regarding climate change.
Claiming that mandatory E-Verify is necessary to stop illegal immigration does not make it constitutional. Furthermore, having to ask the federal government for permission before obtaining a job is a characteristic of authoritarian societies, not free ones. History shows that mandatory E-Verify’s use will expand beyond immigration enforcement and could be used as a tool of political repression. All those who value liberty should oppose mandatory E-Verify.
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-12/ron-paul-warns-e-verify-threatens-us-all
The only thing he attacks is MANDATORY e-verify and the idea of FORCING people to use it.
No matter how many times you quote him that won't change.
Stop putting words in his mouth.
Swordsmyth
07-03-2019, 04:50 PM
Problem, reaction--solution. E-Verify is a threat to liberty, no doubt. People like Mitt Romney were pushing it for all. The way to stop it from happening is end welfare. That would end the incentive for many people wanting to come here.
We must also secure the border because welfare is only part of what they come for.
We must also secure the border because welfare is only part of what they come for.
Oh. It’s you again.
6585
Swordsmyth
07-03-2019, 05:01 PM
Oh. It’s you again.
6585
Honk, Honk.
The only thing he attacks is MANDATORY e-verify and the idea of FORCING people to use it.
No matter how many times you quote him that won't change.
Stop putting words in his mouth.
Take a stab:
1. How many times have you sat and conversed with Ron?
Answer here:
How many times have I sat and conversed with Ron?
Answer here:
Swordsmyth
07-03-2019, 05:20 PM
Take a stab:
1. How many times have you sat and conversed with Ron?
Answer here:
How many times have I sat and conversed with Ron?
Answer here:
Irrelevant.
Show me one place he attacks voluntary e-verify or stop putting words in his mouth.
Anti Federalist
07-03-2019, 05:27 PM
I am Agorist. I do not participate in national elections anymore knowing how they work. I have been involved for decades, committees, etc, my uncle councilman, my cousin ex-congressman now governor, republican to boot...
Anyway, while “voluntary”, I would never set foot into a place that utilizes this practice. If/when it becomes mandated, I will look at my options then. But no, I will never help accomplish what authoritarians want to do along side government. Perhaps you would, but I won’t.
Why not?
Are you tacitly admitting that private enterprise, especially when colluding with government, CAN tyrannize you?
Anti Federalist
07-03-2019, 05:29 PM
Take a stab:
1. How many times have you sat and conversed with Ron?
Answer here:
How many times have I sat and conversed with Ron?
Answer here:
Three times.
I had dinner and drinks with Harry Browne as well.
Very very pleasant fellow.
Irrelevant.
Show me one place he attacks voluntary e-verify or stop putting words in his mouth.
Post #22.
Now you tell me where he actually wrote or said that SUPPORTS/ENDORSES it.
And then please answer Post #41 due to it being very relevant. Else accept your tail between your legs.
oyarde
07-03-2019, 05:31 PM
Fake internet meme. There is no "trust" based on your Social Security number or birth certificate.
Don't be such a downer , I am hoping on getting something for yours and Danke's .
Anti Federalist
07-03-2019, 05:31 PM
Oh. It’s you again.
6585
Heil Honkler!!!
C'mon, seriously...Reductio ad Hitlerum?
You're better than that.
Why not?
Are you tacitly admitting that private enterprise, especially when colluding with government, CAN tyrannize you?
Which is why I do not subscribe to eVerify.
As of now, I have the freedom to refuse a job if it requires it and look for another job that doesn’t require it.
Heil Honkler!!!
C'mon, seriously...Reductio ad Hitlerum?
You're better than that.
Anybody who advocates “papers please”, and wants me to fund it with MY hard-earned, though pretty much worthless, frn’s, they immediately get the business end of a buggy whip ;-)
Swordsmyth
07-03-2019, 05:42 PM
Post #22.
Nope, he doesn't attack voluntary e-verify, stop putting words in his mouth.
Now you tell me where he actually wrote or said that SUPPORTS/ENDORSES it.
I never claimed he did so I don't have to, you are the one who is putting words in his mouth.
The only thing we know about his position is that he opposes MANDATORY e-verify and I agree with him about that.
And then please answer Post #41 due to it being very relevant. Else accept your tail between your legs.
It is totally irrelevant, I once got to shake Pat Buchanan's hand but that doesn't qualify me to speak on his behalf.
Nope, he doesn't attack voluntary e-verify, stop putting words in his mouth.
I never claimed he did so I don't have to, you are the one who is putting words in his mouth.
The only thing we know about his position is that he opposes MANDATORY e-verify and I agree with him about that.
It is totally irrelevant, I once got to shake Pat Buchanan's hand but that doesn't qualify me to speak on his behalf.
I do not speak on anybody’s behalf, but like hanging out with good friends and conversing with them long enough you get a pretty good idea of what they are about.
Take for instance you and I. You know that I stand on my very own, reject personal/corporate welfare, and can not stand when anybody says “government help me save me please!”. I mean that is just so wrong on so many levels. It’s like a gateway to becoming a democrat!
devil21
07-03-2019, 10:47 PM
Don't be such a downer , I am hoping on getting something for yours and Danke's .
We all know Zippy is so truthful about banking topics. His track record is impeccable. :rolleyes:
Any way, it's almost like SS likes federal tracking databases. He's spending a lot of energy defending E-Verify, voluntary or otherwise. I guess we're supposed to wait until Congress makes it mandatory before saying anything about it instead of heading off the federal tracking database before it gets to the point of being mandatory. It becomes clearer every day that SS has no business being on this forum. Even the pretense of not being an authoritarian statist has disappeared entirely.
Swordsmyth
07-03-2019, 11:06 PM
We all know Zippy is so truthful about banking topics. His track record is impeccable. :rolleyes:
Any way, it's almost like SS likes federal tracking databases. He's spending a lot of energy defending E-Verify, voluntary or otherwise. I guess we're supposed to wait until Congress makes it mandatory before saying anything about it instead of heading off the federal tracking database before it gets to the point of being mandatory. It becomes clearer every day that SS has no business being on this forum. Even the pretense of not being an authoritarian statist has disappeared entirely.
:sleeping:
Origanalist
07-03-2019, 11:14 PM
Individuals are free to negotiate a wage. Or seek other employment. Or start their own business. If they do not, it is their problem, not mine. I negotiated my wage.
Next up folks, mandatory government minimum wage, mandatory unions, tribunals set forth by the International Labour Organization ie USMCA, et al. !
I already negotiated a wage (non union), which was a bit lower than others in a comparable situation but our finished product was not quite on quite as high a level so I was ok with that.
I was finishing for .20 a foot when GW let the first wave in. Been there for over ten years, knew the owner for twenty and was running their biggest crew. He gave over operations to his kid who promptly hired unqualified illegals to come in for .14 a foot. Suddenly I was out of work.
Well low and behold about a month later they wanted to hire me back hourly to "touch up" the illegal work. I told them to shove it up their ass. It was a nightmare. I don't really know how it all turned out because I didn't stick around.
Long story short, I also negotiate my wage now. But I don't do it legally because the 'cans made that impossible, I had a business for a while but I do much better now that I don't.
My girl had the same thing happen to her, she was a house cleaner and the "immigrants" just took over the company to the point they were blackmailing the owners that they would get them shut down if they didn't get rid of the white girls.
You can say fine, adapt, change. I did, she wasn't able too. And one day the IRS is going to fuck me hard for it. The people with fake SS numbers will skate, but not me because my name has a distinct non spanish sound to it.
Anti Federalist
07-04-2019, 12:26 AM
Which is why I do not subscribe to eVerify.
As of now, I have the freedom to refuse a job if it requires it and look for another job that doesn’t require it.
Uh huh...and when they all do?
Anti Federalist
07-04-2019, 12:27 AM
I already negotiated a wage (non union), which was a bit lower than others in a comparable situation but our finished product was not quite on quite as high a level so I was ok with that.
I was finishing for .20 a foot when GW let the first wave in. Been there for over ten years, knew the owner for twenty and was running their biggest crew. He gave over operations to his kid who promptly hired unqualified illegals to come in for .14 a foot. Suddenly I was out of work.
Well low and behold about a month later they wanted to hire me back hourly to "touch up" the illegal work. I told them to shove it up their ass. It was a nightmare. I don't really know how it all turned out because I didn't stick around.
Long story short, I also negotiate my wage now. But I don't do it legally because the 'cans made that impossible, I had a business for a while but I do much better now that I don't.
My girl had the same thing happen to her, she was a house cleaner and the "immigrants" just took over the company to the point they were blackmailing the owners that they would get them shut down if they didn't get rid of the white girls.
You can say fine, adapt, change. I did, she wasn't able too. And one day the IRS is going to fuck me hard for it. The people with fake SS numbers will skate, but not me because my name has a distinct non spanish sound to it.
This is the real world, where the rubber meets the road.
I owe ya a rep.
Swordsmyth
07-04-2019, 12:36 AM
This is the real world, where the rubber meets the road.
I owe ya a rep.
Covered.
The invaders are treating it like an invasion and so must we.
Uh huh...and when they all do?
I have noticed that you have a distinct habit of omitting portions of my posts when you respond. Context is important in order to derive at solutions.
We all know Zippy is so truthful about banking topics. His track record is impeccable. :rolleyes:
Any way, it's almost like SS likes federal tracking databases. He's spending a lot of energy defending E-Verify, voluntary or otherwise. I guess we're supposed to wait until Congress makes it mandatory before saying anything about it instead of heading off the federal tracking database before it gets to the point of being mandatory. It becomes clearer every day that SS has no business being on this forum. Even the pretense of not being an authoritarian statist has disappeared entirely.
Liberty usually doesn’t die overnight, but it does die nonetheless. This is a perfect example of why.
Anti Federalist
07-04-2019, 09:58 AM
I have noticed that you have a distinct habit of omitting portions of my posts when you respond. Context is important in order to derive at solutions.
Below is my question, based on your post, which is quoted in its entirety, omitting not a single jot or tittle.
Which is why I do not subscribe to eVerify.
As of now, I have the freedom to refuse a job if it requires it and look for another job that doesn’t require it.
Uh huh...and when they all do?
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