Why the Democrat Leadership, and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, embrace socialism

[johnwk]

In every socialist country, those who hand out government cheese live large, while those receiving “free” government cheese are trapped in poverty and forced to prostitute their vote to socialist leaders to survive.


Witness Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez who now lives large with an annual salary of $174,000 and about another $110,000 in fringe benefits [retirement plans, top of the shelf medical, paid vacations, etc.] bringing her annual earnings up to about $285,000. And what is the average salary of her congressional district’s constituents? It’s under $60,000. But even with such a huge difference between AOC’s salary and her constituents, one of the first things AOC wanted as a member of Congress was to give herself and members of Congress a $4,500 cost of living increase and increase her constituents’ taxes to pay for it.


While Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and the rest of the Democrat Leadership promises free socialist cheese to get elected, its seems quite clear they are the only ones who receive that cheese which is financed by confiscatory taxes imposed on their constituents.


JWK


The Democrat Party Leadership has been angry, stupid and obnoxious ever since the Republican Party Leadership freed democrat owned slaves. ___ Author unknown

[juleswin]

In every socialist country, those who hand out government cheese live large, while those receiving “free” government cheese are trapped in poverty and forced to prostitute their vote to socialist leaders to survive.


Witness Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez who now lives large with an annual salary of $174,000 and about another $110,000 in fringe benefits [retirement plans, top of the shelf medical, paid vacations, etc.] bringing her annual earnings up to about $285,000. And what is the average salary of her congressional district’s constituents? It’s under $60,000. But even with such a huge difference between AOC’s salary and her constituents, one of the first things AOC wanted as a member of Congress was to give herself and members of Congress a $4,500 cost of living increase and increase her constituents’ taxes to pay for it.


While Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and the rest of the Democrat Leadership promises free socialist cheese to get elected, its seems quite clear they are the only ones who receive that cheese which is financed by confiscatory taxes imposed on their constituents.


JWK


The Democrat Party Leadership has been angry, stupid and obnoxious ever since the Republican Party Leadership freed democrat owned slaves. ___ Author unknown

Don't you think it would be much easier taking brides from wealthy capitalists for govt favors? If its money they are after, AOC could push bills that favor the MIC and take a cushy job with them after she retires. I bet it would pay more than the 285k she gets right now from congress.

[ATruepatriot]

Don't you think it would be much easier taking brides from wealthy capitalists for govt favors?

Yep... Nothing more sexy that gubment cheese... Provide for the addiction and you got it made... :)

[johnwk]

Yep... Nothing more sexy that gubment cheese... Provide for the addiction and you got it made... :)


You bet Alexandria-Ocasio-Cortez has it made, especially when it comes to her health care.


Members of Congress get a gold-level Obamacare policy and receive federal subsidies that cover 72 percent of the cost of their health insurance premiums. Additionally, free or low-cost care is available to them from the Office of the Attending Physician, and they also have access to free outpatient care at military facilities in the Washington, D.C., area.

Sure pays to be a socialist administrator in government.


JWK



The unavoidable truth is, the Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sander’s and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s socialist plan for “free” college tuition will be paid for by taxing millions of college graduates who worked for and paid their own way through college and are now trying to finance their own economic needs.

[ATruepatriot]

You bet Alexandria-Ocasio-Cortez has it made, especially when it comes to her health care.


Members of Congress get a gold-level Obamacare policy and receive federal subsidies that cover 72 percent of the cost of their health insurance premiums. Additionally, free or low-cost care is available to them from the Office of the Attending Physician, and they also have access to free outpatient care at military facilities in the Washington, D.C., area.

Sure pays to be a socialist administrator in government.


JWK



The unavoidable truth is, the Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sander’s and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s socialist plan for “free” college tuition will be paid for by taxing millions of college graduates who worked for and paid their own way through college and are now trying to finance their own economic needs.


Let alone the back door for lobbying, They do not pay a dime out of their pockets copay. Their providers "write it off" and WE pay for it.... Thieves...

[johnwk]

Let alone the back door for lobbying, They do not pay a dime out of their pockets copay. Their providers "write it off" and WE pay for it.... Thieves...

And then she claims how she cares about hard working wage earners.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez claims to be an advocate of hard working people living in the Bronx. If that is so, why is she not advocating an end to the unconstitutional direct “Temporary Victory Tax” of 1943, which began federal confiscation of the property which working people have earned by the sweat of their labor, which is then redistributed by the hand of government?

JWK



”If, by calling a tax indirect when it is essentially direct, the rule of protection could be frittered away, one of the great landmarks defining the boundary between the nation and the states of which it is composed, would have disappeared, and with it one of the bulwarks of private rights and private property.”__ POLLOCK v. FARMERS' LOAN & TRUST CO., 157 U.S. 429 [1895]

[shakey1]

You think she’s dangerous now, just wait a few years when she’s entrenched in the system... calling the shots. :eek:

[Sammy]

Don't be politically correct my Friend...Democrats embrace Communism...

[johnwk]

Don't be politically correct my Friend...Democrats embrace Communism...

Actually, it's the Democrat Party Leadership which embraces socialism/communism.


JWK


Socialist democrats running for office will promise food on the table, free public housing, health care for all, guaranteed income, free college tuition, and other niceties by taxing the so called rich; and if by chance they ever do gain political power because of such promises made, their socialist iron-fisted dependency will enslave the very fools who elected them.

[Superfluous Man]

Don't forget about Trump and the GOP leadership.

[timosman]

Don't forget about Trump and the GOP leadership.

https://i.imgur.com/TCIwxu9.jpg

[Anti Globalist]

You think she’s dangerous now, just wait a few years when she’s entrenched in the system... calling the shots. :eek:
Thats why we got to make sure she loses her reelection.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

I have an acquaintance that argues with me all the time over healthcare said she would have died without obama care, which is false because hospitals receiving government money are forced to treat you and most states, including mine, already have a medicaid program. I try to explain to her that they're just putting an expensive patch on the problem government regulations created that sent healthcare costs skyrocketing, but these retards can't comprehend anything more than 2 steps away.

Also she thinks healthcare is a right and I informed her that would mean she believes she's entitled to the labor of private doctors and she just freaked out and almost broke out into a "racist/nazi" name-calling rage.

[johnwk]

Also she thinks healthcare is a right and I informed her that would mean she believes she's entitled to the labor of private doctors and she just freaked out and almost broke out into a "racist/nazi" name-calling rage.

She apparently does not believe that the property everyone has in their own labor is really not their property. You should have asked her if she agreed with the enslavement of African Americans during our nation's early days.

JWK

"The property which every man has in his own labor, as it is the original foundation of all other property, so it is the most sacred and inviolable. The patrimony of the poor man lies in the strength and dexterity of his own hands; and to hinder him from employing this strength and dexterity in what manner he thinks proper, without injury to his neighbor, is a plain violation of this most sacred property." ___ Butchers’ Union Co. v. Crescent City Co., 111 U.S. 746 (1884)

[Zippyjuan]

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/is-socialism-still-an-effective-political-bogeyman/


Is Socialism Still An Effective Political Bogeyman?

<snip>

Socialism’s definition is shifting

Now almost 30 years after the end of the Cold War, Americans don’t view socialism the same way they once did. In 1949, the fear of communism had gripped the U.S., and Gallup asked Americans what they thought “socialism” meant. The pollster found that 34 percent of Americans thought socialism signified “government ownership or control” — of businesses, utilities and “everything.” At that time, 12 percent of respondents associated socialism with “equality” — equal standing for everyone.4 But when Gallup asked the same question in September 2018, it found that the percentage of respondents who associated socialism with equality had climbed to 23 percent, while only 17 percent said they viewed socialism as signifying government ownership or control.5 And in 2018, 10 percent of Americans associated socialism with benefits like free social services and universal access to medicine, which was much higher than the 2 percent who said the same in 1949.

That said, Republicans in 2018 were more likely to view socialism as government ownership or control than Democrats were,6 23 percent to 13 percent; Democrats were slightly more likely than Republicans to view socialism as signifying equality, 26 percent to 23 percent. The parties’ different opinions of socialism may stem from different ideas of what a socialist country looks like. For example, Trump and Republicans have used Venezuela as an example of a failed socialist government that has fallen into economic collapse and chaos. Democrats and Sanders, meanwhile, often cite Nordic countries with strong social safety nets as examples of socialism.

All in all, Trump may want to use socialism as a cudgel against Democrats in 2020. It could help him shore up the GOP base and perhaps turn some anti-socialist Democrats and independents against his opponents. But it’s 2019, not 1949; socialism doesn’t automatically evoke the Iron Curtain anymore, and fewer Americans now associate socialism with government control or ownership. Trump’s anti-socialist message may find less success than he hopes.

[nikcers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYXwZDODkAI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYXwZDODkAI

[oyarde]

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/is-socialism-still-an-effective-political-bogeyman/

It still evokes the iron curtain to me and it should to everyone if demons like bernie and AO cortez the killer get what they want .

[Zippyjuan]

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/03/americans-mixed-message-for-2020-presidential-candidates-keep-your-socialist-hands-off-our-government-programs.html


Americans’ mixed message for 2020 presidential candidates: Keep your socialist hands off our government programs

Twenty months before Election Day, Americans have a clear message for 2020 presidential candidates: keep your socialist hands off our government programs.

That paradoxical verdict emerges from the new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll. And it underscores the challenges facing both President Donald Trump and his Democratic adversaries.

As a philosophical label, socialism fares dismally alongside capitalism in public sentiment. Just 18 percent of Americans react positively to the mention of socialism, while 50 percent react negatively. Capitalism draws almost exactly the inverse reaction: 50 percent positive and 19 percent negative.

Those contrasting views explain why President Trump and fellow Republicans seek to slap that label on Democrats across the board. They also explain why most Democratic presidential candidates, apart from the self-styled Democratic socialist Bernie Sanders, reject the label and call themselves capitalists.

As a practical matter, however, average Americans who have long suffered from slow-growing wages want more help from their representatives in Washington. So the poll shows that a 55-percent majority says government should do more to solve problems and meet their needs, compared to 41 percent who say government is doing too many things already. Americans have expressed a desire for more government help by double-digit margins throughout Trump’s presidency.

Thus Democratic candidates have gravitated toward proposals to expand health care coverage through “Medicare for All,” lower the costs of college and prescription drugs, and replace tax cuts for the affluent with cuts for working and middle class voters. They have also embraced government action to curb climate change.

Those divergent views outline the test facing each side in the 2020 campaign. Republicans need to champion capitalism without conveying unwillingness to help average families; Democrats need to tout the assistance they’d provide without affirming the charge that they seek a fundamental transformation toward a socialist system.

The poll shows that Americans across the partisan divide express positive views of capitalism — Republicans by overwhelming margins, independents and Democrats by narrower ones. Democrats marginally express positive views of socialism, independents and Republicans strongly negative views.

On the role of government, Republicans say government is already doing too much by more that a two-to-one margin. Democrats by four-to-one say government should do more; independents side with the Democratic view by a comparatively slim 54 percent to 44 percent margin.

Support for additional government help follows the demographic contours of each party’s core supporters. Woman, non-whites, and residents of urban areas want more by lopsided margins. Opinion among men, whites, suburbanites and rural residents divides more evenly.

The strongest opposition to more government help, by a 56 percent to 41 percent margin, comes from white men without college degrees — the staunchest supporters of the Trump-era GOP. College-educated white women reverse those numbers, with 54 percent supporting more government help and 41 percent opposing it.

[nikcers]

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/03/americans-mixed-message-for-2020-presidential-candidates-keep-your-socialist-hands-off-our-government-programs.html

You don't have to poll people to figure out that people who went to college and can't afford to pay back their student loans are more likely to vote for the government to pay for their student loans.

[Zippyjuan]

You don't have to poll people to figure out that people who went to college and can't afford to pay back their student loans are more likely to vote for the government to pay for their student loans.

Trump has a plan too.

https://www.studentdebtrelief.us/student-loan-forgiveness/trump/


Trumps Stated Viewpoints on Student Loan Forgiveness


Eliminate the Public Service Loan Forgiveness program in place of a less biased loan forgiveness program

Consolidate all current repayment plans into a single income-driven repayment program (IBR) to simplify the loan repayment process

Lower federal spending accordingly to account for the cost of his new income-driven repayment plan


Extend Loan Forgiveness to Everyone

Given the recent hiccups with the Public Service Loan Forgiveness program, President Trump proposes that Congress should extend loan forgiveness to all undergraduate student loan borrowers. Borrowers would become eligible for forgiveness after 180 months (15 years) of repayment on an income-driven repayment plan. This proposal eliminates the career eligibility criteria associated with the Public Service Loan Forgiveness program. It would also make it easier for the government to carry out the application and forgiveness process.

[Swordsmyth]

Don't you think it would be much easier taking brides from wealthy capitalists for govt favors? If its money they are after, AOC could push bills that favor the MIC and take a cushy job with them after she retires. I bet it would pay more than the 285k she gets right now from congress.
As government controls more and more the need to bribe them gets ever larger.

Socialism is good for corruption.

[nikcers]

Trump has a plan too.

https://www.studentdebtrelief.us/student-loan-forgiveness/trump/

Trump took a lot of populist positions on things in order to get elected a lot of them contradictory.. He is still by far better than the available opposition that we have a choice of voting for that have a chance at winning.

[Zippyjuan]

Trump on Universal Healthcare


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPJfKdp3bDs

[nikcers]

As government controls more and more the need to bribe them gets ever larger.

Socialism is good for corruption.

That's why I wonder if some of this social media driven movement isn't being sponsored by foreign countries. It's just a conpiracy theory though. Everyone knows globalists aren't real.

[nikcers]

Trump on Universal Healthcare


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPJfKdp3bDs

Obamacare was a poison pill designed to make healthcare so bad that people demanded socialized medicine in the same way that the Iran deal was designed for Iran to get a nuclear weapon so they would have an excuse to go to war with Iran.

[Zippyjuan]

Trump took a lot of populist positions on things in order to get elected a lot of them contradictory.. He is still by far better than the available opposition that we have a choice of voting for that have a chance at winning.

True- he does often contradict himself so it is difficult to know what he actually thinks or if he is just making things up as he goes along. But having multiple positions on an issue means people can assume he means the one you like.

[nikcers]

True- he does often contradict himself so it is difficult to know what he actually thinks or if he is just making things up as he goes along. But having multiple positions on an issue means people can assume he means the one you like.

Businesses do it all the time, I definitely think he is a capitalist at heart though can't say that for many lifelong politicians or professed socialists.