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KEEF
06-27-2019, 09:15 AM
June 27, 2019, 10:48 AM EDTBy Pete Williams
WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court ruled Thursday that the Trump administration cannot include a question about citizenship on the 2020 census form that goes to every U.S. household, giving a win to mostly Democratic populous states that said the question would discourage legal and illegal immigrants from responding and make the population count less accurate.

The court was deeply fractured on the issue, but on the section that essentially eliminated (https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/18pdf/18-966_bq7c.pdf)the citizenship question, the vote was 5-4, with Chief Justice John Roberts joining the four-member liberal wing of the court.

more at https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/supreme-court-tosses-citizenship-question-2020-census-forms-victory-democratic-n1014651?cid=sm_npd_nn_fb_ma&fbclid=IwAR1cpPMSLh1nr8h_haWsipPdEbbAQUHb1WOAx2Opj Fx2riYbOc29M5rF5wk

spudea
06-27-2019, 09:43 AM
they literally admit in court they need non-citizens for political power for the democrats, yikes, country is lost for sure

AngryCanadian
06-27-2019, 10:51 AM
they literally admit in court they need non-citizens for political power for the democrats, yikes, country is lost for sure

It seems America is in the position as Italy with Judges who don't care about the laws. But agendas.

Anti Federalist
06-27-2019, 10:51 AM
But they think they have the right to question me about my life, in detail...

Fuck them, the next census counter that comes around here is gonna see the business end of a black rifle.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twuiF2Ft8bk

Brian4Liberty
06-27-2019, 12:53 PM
I am shocked, shocked that it was John Roberts.

Zippyjuan
06-27-2019, 01:02 PM
they literally admit in court they need non-citizens for political power for the democrats, yikes, country is lost for sure

The Constitution says "all persons" should be counted.

RJB
06-27-2019, 01:05 PM
The Constitution says "all persons" should be counted.

The census would count them, but as foreigners.

PAF
06-27-2019, 01:06 PM
But they think they have the right to question me about my life, in detail...

$#@! them, the next census counter that comes around here is gonna see the business end of a black rifle.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twuiF2Ft8bk


No, they do not have ANY natural right to document, record or otherwise. It is not left versus right, it is liberty versus tyranny. But some folks around here are picking sides again.

It is more pitting to get more people on board, citing immigrants as an excuse. They know this will rile people, as we dig ourselves deeper into slavery.



https://youtu.be/fbI1eJ_zAB8

Zippyjuan
06-27-2019, 01:22 PM
Trump seeking to delay the Census until the Supreme Court changes their mind. Not gonna happen and the Constitution requires it be done every ten years. They need to start getting the forms ready next week.

1144298731887628288

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RJB
06-27-2019, 01:24 PM
Trump seeking to delay the Census until the Supreme Court changes their mind. Not gonna happen and the Constitution requires it be done every ten years. They need to start getting the forms ready next week.

1144298731887628288

1144298734311878657
Why are you against them asking if they are citizens, Zippy?

euphemia
06-27-2019, 01:35 PM
The census would count them, but as foreigners.

This is exactly what was done in the past. Up through the 1940 Census there was a place to indicate place of birth and citizenship. This is the latest census available online. Anyone can go look.

Adding, the census forms used vary from count to count, and the information documented from census to census to census varied. Age, race, marital status, gender, how many children/live children a mother had/disabilities/place of birth, citizenship/language spoken/parents’ places of birth, and so on. Prisons, hospitals, and institutions were counted, not just private homes.

RJB
06-27-2019, 01:42 PM
This is exactly what was done in the past. Up through the 1940 Census there was a place to indicate place of birth and citizenship. This is the latest census available online. Anyone can go look.

Adding, the census forms used vary from count to count, and the information documented from census to census to census varied. Age, race, marital status, gender, how many children/live children a mother had/disabilities/place of birth, citizenship/language spoken/parents’ places of birth, and so on. Prisons, hospitals, and institutions were counted, not just private homes.

That's why I am curious about his and others' disagreement.

euphemia
06-27-2019, 02:04 PM
It would be interesting to know how the number of children/number of living children would be answered in this day of #nochildbornalive.

My daughter has had 9 children, 5 living. Four miscarriages, two were late stage.

Anti Federalist
06-27-2019, 02:31 PM
That's why I am curious about his and others' disagreement.

Because, I suspect, that Zip is part of the "No borders no walls no USA at all crowd"

Swordsmyth
06-27-2019, 02:59 PM
The Constitution says "all persons" should be counted.
As part of "their respective numbers", foreigners are not "theirs".

Swordsmyth
06-27-2019, 03:03 PM
It's time to drive out the invaders before they can be counted.

Swordsmyth
06-27-2019, 03:04 PM
The decision makes it difficult for the Commerce Department to justify the question and make it part of the census before the forms have to be printed in only a few weeks. But it leaves the door open for the government to try again, and some legal experts believe the government could succeed.

“It’s almost a toss up, but I think in the end the census question probably will make it on. If the Census Bureau simply says it wants the question on to get a complete count, the Supreme Court will say that’s OK in the coming weeks,” said Tom Goldstein, publisher of the SCOTUSblog website and a lawyer who argues frequently before the court.


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euphemia
06-27-2019, 03:48 PM
As part of "their respective numbers", foreigners are not "theirs".

Please don’t make this the basis of your argument. I have looked at thousands of census images because I am an amateur genealogist. Every census has it’s own schedule of records. There were several with slave schedules, Indian schedules, etc. they were counted separately, and are listed separately. Your idea of “foreigners” were counted right along with everyone else, if they lived in some kind of town. The specific question of citizenship is there, and you can go look at anything you want up through 1940.

RJB
06-27-2019, 03:49 PM
Because, I suspect, that Zip is part of the "No borders no walls no USA at all crowd"

Oh I know. Him unable to answer comes across much louder. These guys don't really care if their socialist Utopias go broke due to an influx of sponges. They want a mob of voters to sink the 1st, 2nd Amendments and anything else that stands in the way of globalism.

Swordsmyth
06-27-2019, 03:52 PM
Please don’t make this the basis of your argument. I have looked at thousands of census images because I am an amateur genealogist. Every census has it’s own schedule of records. There were several with slave schedules, Indian schedules, etc. they were counted separately, and are listed separately. Your idea of “foreigners” were counted right along with everyone else, if they lived in some kind of town. The specific question of citizenship is there, and you can go look at anything you want up through 1940.
Slaves were considered the property of their owners who were part of the state, "indians not taxed" were not counted and those taxed were natives who had become part of the white man's civilization.

euphemia
06-27-2019, 04:04 PM
Slaves were considered the property of their owners who were part of the state, "indians not taxed" were not counted and those taxed were natives who had become part of the white man's civilization.

“Foreigners” have always been counted in their own Census districts. Your argument is based on a faulty premise. I agree with you in principle, I just wish you would frame the argument in a way that represents the truth of history.

Swordsmyth
06-27-2019, 04:10 PM
“Foreigners” have always been counted in their own Census districts. Your argument is based on a faulty premise. I agree with you in principle, I just wish you would frame the argument in a way that represents the truth of history.
For much of our history we had no immigration control, all foreigners were here legally.
Counting illegal invaders is something relatively new and wrong, illegals are not "theirs" even if legal visitors are.

euphemia
06-27-2019, 04:17 PM
That is not the point and never was the point. You can’t tell from a Census whether a noncitizen is legal or not. I am not going to talk to you about this any more. I gave you some advice to help you and you didn’t take it. Done.

Swordsmyth
06-27-2019, 04:25 PM
That is not the point and never was the point. You can’t tell from a Census whether a noncitizen is legal or not. I am not going to talk to you about this any more. I gave you some advice to help you and you didn’t take it. Done.
Only the illegals will be scared of answering, why should a legal immigrant be afraid to answer?
All they are doing is asking their citizenship status, if the illegal volunteers the information that they are illegal then they shouldn't be counted and if they avoid the census taker they shouldn't be counted.

PAF
06-27-2019, 04:38 PM
Only the illegals will be scared of answering, why should a legal immigrant be afraid to answer?
All they are doing is asking their citizenship status, if the illegal volunteers the information that they are illegal then they shouldn't be counted and if they avoid the census taker they shouldn't be counted.


And don’t forget: If you see something, say something.

:facepalming:

Swordsmyth
06-27-2019, 04:41 PM
And don’t forget: If you see something, say something.

:facepalming:
:sleeping:

eleganz
06-27-2019, 05:31 PM
I am shocked, shocked that it was John Roberts.

Wasn't Roberts the deciding vote (when he was originally opposed to it) to implement ACA as a tax? I always thought that was blackmail, and I think this one is too.



Why are you against them asking if they are citizens, Zippy?

You know the answer to this. Zip has TDS and whatever Trump is for, there is a >insert socialist propaganda< answer for that.


The citizenship question must be enacted and I expect Trump to do it, his success in office will count on it. Honestly, they should've just slipped it in without saying anything and let the questions be asked later.

PAF
06-27-2019, 05:39 PM
Honestly, they should've just slipped it in without saying anything and let the questions be asked later.

Gotcha.

Nancy Pelosi DOES have influence after all, even on RPF.

Interestingly enough, Trump said the same thing about due process.


I swear I am in a twilight zone on this forum anymore.

Swordsmyth
06-27-2019, 05:47 PM
Gotcha.

Nancy Pelosi DOES have influence after all, even on RPF.

Interestingly enough, Trump said the same thing about due process.


I swear I am in a twilight zone on this forum anymore.
:sleeping:

They have the authority and it isn't a "due process" issue, nobody is being convicted of or punished for anything.

eleganz
06-27-2019, 05:49 PM
Gotcha.

Nancy Pelosi DOES have influence after all, even on RPF.

Interestingly enough, Trump said the same thing about due process.


I swear I am in a twilight zone on this forum anymore.

Due process is needed to be asked whether or not you are a citizen? We are asked this on so many forms for both public and private sector, its not even funny.

The left is only making a big deal out of this because
1) Trump supports it
2) Trump supports it
3) They will be exposed for allowing so many illegals to enter, once American people find out, dems will lose popularity.

If anybody here is Nancy Pelosi, its actually just you.

The citizenship question has absolutely nothing to due with due process and liberty.



My last encounter with you, I thought you were an idiot savant so I didn't continue to engage you but now I am convinced of it.

Can't stand the fake ass libertarians.

PAF
06-27-2019, 05:55 PM
:sleeping:

They have the authority and it isn't a "due process" issue, nobody is being convicted of or punished for anything.

You just do not get it. It is the principle. One thing that we have always promoted and fought for is transparency, whether the issue is right or wrong, different or indifferent.

I should not even have to explain this to you.

Swordsmyth
06-27-2019, 05:57 PM
You just do not get it. It is the principle. One thing that we have always promoted and fought for is transparency, whether the issue is right or wrong, different or indifferent.

I should not even have to explain this to you.
Nonsense, there is no need to give Trump a proctological exam about asking people to declare their citizenship status and there is nothing in the Constitution that requires it.

You show yourself to be a liberal LARPing as an anarchist more and more.

PAF
06-27-2019, 06:03 PM
Due process is needed to be asked whether or not you are a citizen? We are asked this on so many forms for both public and private sector, its not even funny.

The left is only making a big deal out of this because
1) Trump supports it
2) Trump supports it
3) They will be exposed for allowing so many illegals to enter, once American people find out, dems will lose popularity.

If anybody here is Nancy Pelosi, its actually just you.

The citizenship question has absolutely nothing to due with due process and liberty.



My last encounter with you, I thought you were an idiot savant so I didn't continue to engage you but now I am convinced of it.

Can't stand the fake ass libertarians.


Well the one thing that needs to come off the table is this new-found "illegal" that is trendy hot and popular. Which WILL result in more people being documented with Fed.gov, enabling them to receive "legal" handouts, mandated government minimum wage, and when receiving a pay check Fund the Fed.

Don't consider me a libertarian then. Shill calls me a anarchist. When convenient he sometimes he call me a lib. Whatever floats yer boat is fine with me. The fact remains, I can not stand STATISTS.

Swordsmyth
06-27-2019, 06:10 PM
Well the one thing that needs to come off the table is this new-found "illegal" that is trendy hot and popular. Which WILL result in more people being documented with Fed.gov, enabling them to receive "legal" handouts, mandated government minimum wage, and when receiving a pay check Fund the Fed.

Don't consider me a libertarian then. Shill calls me a anarchist. When convenient he sometimes he call me a lib. Whatever floats yer boat is fine with me. The fact remains, I can not stand STATISTS.
Invaders is a much better word.
Collaborators and Traitors also comes to mind for some mysterious reason.

eleganz
06-27-2019, 06:15 PM
Well the one thing that needs to come off the table is this new-found "illegal" that is trendy hot and popular. Which WILL result in more people being documented with Fed.gov, enabling them to receive "legal" handouts, mandated government minimum wage, and when receiving a pay check Fund the Fed.

Don't consider me a libertarian then. Shill calls me a anarchist. When convenient he sometimes he call me a lib. Whatever floats yer boat is fine with me. The fact remains, I can not stand STATISTS.

Why did you run away from your "due process" argument?

If you can't put up, why even quote me?

fcreature
06-27-2019, 06:24 PM
Is this fake news?

My understanding is that the Supreme Court did not make a ruling on the Constitutionality of the question. From what I can tell, all they did is question the motives of Secretary Wilbur Ross (interesting, Roberts ignored the motives in the ACA to twist it into a tax). That and punt this issue back to the lower courts, where it will be drawn out and appealed back to the Supreme Court.

What am I missing here?

Swordsmyth
06-27-2019, 06:25 PM
Is this fake news?

My understanding is that the Supreme Court did not make a ruling on the Constitutionality of the question. From what I can tell, all they did is question the motives of Secretary Wilbur Ross (interesting, Roberts ignored the motives in the ACA to twist it into a tax). That and punt this issue back to the lower courts, where it will be drawn out and appealed back to the Supreme Court.

What am I missing here?
From the article:

The decision makes it difficult for the Commerce Department to justify the question and make it part of the census before the forms have to be printed in only a few weeks. But it leaves the door open for the government to try again, and some legal experts believe the government could succeed.

“It’s almost a toss up, but I think in the end the census question probably will make it on. If the Census Bureau simply says it wants the question on to get a complete count, the Supreme Court will say that’s OK in the coming weeks,” said Tom Goldstein, publisher of the SCOTUSblog website and a lawyer who argues frequently before the court.

PAF
06-27-2019, 06:29 PM
Why did you run away from your "due process" argument?

If you can't put up, why even quote me?


I didn't run away, eleganz. I'm just edgy tonight and your comment didn't sit well with me. It was not anything to do with "due process" but more about the statement: "Honestly, they should've just slipped it in without saying anything and let the questions be asked later."

Call me a lib this time around but I do not subscribe to census, so in this case the decision is fine by me. The problem becomes, whatever they decide now can be decided later, giving "Rule by 5" power over the people. And for the record, while I believe we should return to the Constitution in this current climate, there are parts that I do not agree with.

eleganz
06-27-2019, 10:42 PM
I didn't run away, eleganz. I'm just edgy tonight and your comment didn't sit well with me. It was not anything to do with "due process" but more about the statement: "Honestly, they should've just slipped it in without saying anything and let the questions be asked later."

Call me a lib this time around but I do not subscribe to census, so in this case the decision is fine by me. The problem becomes, whatever they decide now can be decided later, giving "Rule by 5" power over the people. And for the record, while I believe we should return to the Constitution in this current climate, there are parts that I do not agree with.

If they can and should ask your age, they can and should ask your citizenship. What is the point of a census if there is absolutely no idea who is a citizen and who is not?

Completely ridiculous to say that its bad to ask a basic citizenship question on a national census (of all things) simply because you want to >insert libertarian/constitutional principle here<

This would not have even been an issue if the democrats weren't flooding the country with illegals to pad their election results.

PAF
06-28-2019, 05:42 AM
If they can and should ask your age, they can and should ask your citizenship. What is the point of a census if there is absolutely no idea who is a citizen and who is not?

Completely ridiculous to say that its bad to ask a basic citizenship question on a national census (of all things) simply because you want to >insert libertarian/constitutional principle here<

This would not have even been an issue if the democrats weren't flooding the country with illegals to pad their election results.

You will be very pleased to know that my opinion does not matter and you may continue to propagate this "illegal" trash talk. The government will do whatever is required to grow itself at any cost. If it gets buy-in from folks like you, fine. If not from folks like me, still fine. Welcome to the grand illusion.

Philhelm
06-28-2019, 08:02 AM
I am shocked, shocked that it was John Roberts.

He probably knows that Scalia was wetworked in the vineyard.

timosman
06-30-2019, 07:25 PM
https://twitter.com/TeamCavuto/status/1144346136028860419

1144346136028860419

oyarde
06-30-2019, 07:32 PM
As part of "their respective numbers", foreigners are not "theirs".

Thats how I see it .

brushfire
06-30-2019, 09:11 PM
Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States whichmay be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall bedetermined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound toService for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all otherPersons. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meetingof the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, insuch Manner as they shall by Law direct. The Number of Representatives shall notexceed one for every thirty Thousand, but each State shall have at Least oneRepresentative; and until such enumeration shall be made, the State of New Hampshireshall be entitled to chuse three, Massachusetts eight, Rhode-Island and ProvidencePlantations one, Connecticut five, New-York six, New Jersey four, Pennsylvania eight,Delaware one, Maryland six, Virginia ten, North Carolina five, South Carolina five, andGeorgia three

"Free Persons" - anyone see one of those in a while?

Looks like we're all 3/5ths.

aGameOfThrones
07-01-2019, 07:10 PM
Fed paper 58

There is a peculiarity in the federal Constitution which insures a watchful attention in a majority both of the people and of their representatives to a constitutional augmentation of the latter. The peculiarity lies in this, that one branch of the legislature is a representation of citizens

Zippyjuan
07-01-2019, 07:15 PM
"Free Persons" - anyone see one of those in a while?

Looks like we're all 3/5ths.

The law was changed so former slaves now are full persons.

Swordsmyth
07-01-2019, 07:18 PM
The law was changed so former slaves now are full persons.
I don't think he is calling us "former" slaves.

Pauls' Revere
07-01-2019, 07:36 PM
I guess this means you can forget the notion of requiring I.D. to vote.

aGameOfThrones
07-01-2019, 07:38 PM
You have to prove you’re a citizen(or legal)to buy a firearm, but not for the purpose of apportionment of house reps

Swordsmyth
07-01-2019, 07:39 PM
I guess this means you can forget the notion of requiring I.D. to vote.
It doesn't affect that, SCOTUS didn't say the question was not allowed, it quibbled about the reasons given for putting it back.
It will probably be on the 2020 census when all is said and done.

Zippyjuan
07-01-2019, 08:42 PM
You have to prove you’re a citizen(or legal)to buy a firearm, but not for the purpose of apportionment of house reps

The Constitutions says count people- free and unfree- (except Native Americans- the law was changed on that too), not just citizens.

Swordsmyth
07-01-2019, 09:42 PM
The Constitutions says count people- free and unfree- (except Native Americans- the law was changed on that too), not just citizens.
But it never said invaders counted, invaders are not "their respective numbers".

aGameOfThrones
07-02-2019, 07:48 AM
But it never said invaders counted, invaders are not "their respective numbers".

I’ve never been counted for the purpose of apportionment with regards to congressional House of Representatives... and I’m a citizen. I wouldn’t even want legal immigrants counted for that purpose, I’m not against them being counted as a Puerto Rican is counted who lives in PR, but not for congressional house seats.

Citizenship should mean something and have some value to it... I think.

Swordsmyth
07-02-2019, 01:38 PM
I’ve never been counted for the purpose of apportionment with regards to congressional House of Representatives... and I’m a citizen. I wouldn’t even want legal immigrants counted for that purpose, I’m not against them being counted as a Puerto Rican is counted who lives in PR, but not for congressional house seats.

Citizenship should mean something and have some value to it... I think.
I agree but there is room for legitimate debate on Constitutional intent and historical precedent for legal immigrants, there is no excuse for illegals, its the same situation with birthright citizenship.

aGameOfThrones
07-02-2019, 02:33 PM
I agree but there is room for legitimate debate on Constitutional intent and historical precedent for legal immigrants, there is no excuse for illegals, its the same situation with birthright citizenship.




I’m just amazed that people think the founders thought of counting illegal aliens for the purpose of apportionment of House Representatives. If only citizens are the only ones who should be voting—then only citizens should be the only ones counted for the purpose of apportionment of house seats.

And before someone complains, I know some citizens were excluded from voting at the start of this country.


The only difference discoverable between the two cases is, that each representative of the United States will be elected by five or six thousand citizens. Fed paper 57

Swordsmyth
07-02-2019, 02:42 PM
I’m just amazed that people think the founders thought of counting illegal aliens for the purpose of apportionment of House Representatives. If only citizens are the only ones who should be voting—then only citizens should be the only ones counted for the purpose of apportionment of house seats
The founders had relatively open borders and so they didn't have to deal with illegals (the reasons for that and the question of whether it was a good idea are a different subject) but they gave the government power to enact immigration controls and those who violate the controls we have are no different legally than an invading barbarian horde and the law is clear that invaders would not be counted nor would their children be granted citizenship.

Zippyjuan
07-02-2019, 05:49 PM
Printing process has begun. No "citizenship" question. No delay in the census as Trump threatened (another threat backed down from).

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/02/census-will-print-without-citizenship-question-trump-administration.html


Trump administration says it will print census without citizenship question

The Trump administration on Tuesday said it will print the 2020 census without a question about citizenship, bringing to an apparent close a contentious legal battle over that aspect of the decennial survey.

The announcement comes after the Supreme Court effectively blocked the addition of the question on Thursday. Chief Justice John Roberts, who authored the opinion of the court, wrote that the administration’s explanation for adding the question — that it would bolster efforts to enforce the Voting Rights Act — appeared “contrived.”

But after that decision was announced, it was not clear whether government lawyers would seek to present another rationale for the question. Any attempt to do so faced a tight deadline. The Census Bureau said it had to begin printing by July 1 or additional resources would be required.

“The Supreme Court’s ruling left little opportunity for the administration to cure the defects with its decision to add a citizenship question and, most importantly, they were simply out of time given the impending deadline for printing forms,” Kristen Clarke, the executive director of the Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, which successfully challenged the question in federal court in California, said in a statement.

Critics of the question argued that including it would reduce the accuracy of the census and undercount minority populations, including immigrants. Census data is used to allocate billions of dollars in federal funding and allocate representation in Congress. A citizenship question has not been posed to all U.S. households in decades.

“We can confirm that the decision has been made to print the 2020 Decennial Census questionnaire without a citizenship question, and that the printer has been instructed to begin the printing process,” Kate Bailey, an attorney with the Department of Justice, wrote in an email that was sent to challengers of the citizenship question Tuesday and provided to CNBC.

Swordsmyth
07-02-2019, 05:55 PM
Printing process has begun. No "citizenship" question. No delay in the census as Trump threatened (another threat backed down from).

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/02/census-will-print-without-citizenship-question-trump-administration.html

There are much better ways to drive the invaders out, Trump doesn't need to waste time and effort on this one.

Swordsmyth
07-02-2019, 11:12 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1146245459268263938

1146245459268263938


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1146245460035850241

1146245460035850241

Zippyjuan
07-03-2019, 12:27 PM
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1146245459268263938

1146245459268263938


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1146245460035850241

1146245460035850241

He folded. Time ran out.

Swordsmyth
07-03-2019, 04:54 PM
He folded. Time ran out.
Nope, there is still time.


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1146435093491277824

1146435093491277824

Swordsmyth
07-03-2019, 06:08 PM
Also another source says the forms currently being printed can be trashed, if the litigation which Trump is continuing pans out. (https://twitter.com/justinjm1/status/1146174441451339777)

Zippyjuan
07-03-2019, 06:23 PM
Nope, there is still time.


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1146435093491277824

1146435093491277824

Supreme Court ended their current session June 27th. It will have to wait until they start up again to try to get them to re-hear the case. That won't be until October at the earliest. They have to get the census forms out before then.

Swordsmyth
07-03-2019, 06:26 PM
Supreme Court ended their current session June 27th. It will have to wait until they start up again to try to get them to re-hear the case. That won't be until October at the earliest. They have to get the census forms out before then.
They don't need SCOTUS.
SCOTUS only said they had to provide a good reason NOT that they couldn't ask the question.

Swordsmyth
07-03-2019, 06:57 PM
A day after pledging that the 2020 census would not ask respondents about their citizenship, Justice Department officials reversed course on Wednesday and said they were hunting for a way to restore the question on orders from President Trump.

More at: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/03/us/politics/census-citizenship-question.html

Zippyjuan
07-05-2019, 06:03 PM
Nope, there is still time.


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1146435093491277824

1146435093491277824

Yet another deadline passed. And it was the Trump Administration's fault. They failed to show up in court to try to get the ruling appealed in a Maryland court.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48890233


It appeared settled when government lawyers indicated they had dropped the question, and officials began printing the census without it.

That reportedly infuriated President Trump, who announced that his administration would pursue the issue.

But a deadline of 14:00 (18:00 GMT) on Friday set by a Maryland district judge came and went, with no clear indication from the administration on how they planned to add the citizenship question.

Government lawyers said only that the justice and commerce departments had been "instructed to examine whether there is a path forward".

President Trump said on Friday an executive order was among the options he was considering to force the question on to the census.

"We have four or five ways we can do it," Mr Trump told reporters, suggesting the administration could "maybe do an addendum" after getting a positive decision.

But legal experts say executive orders could not override Supreme Court decisions.


The Trump administration said it wanted to ask about citizenship to better enforce a law that protects the voting rights of minorities, but the Supreme Court dismissed that justification.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-census/white-house-faces-court-deadline-to-reveal-us-census-citizenship-plan-idUSKCN1U01LG


Trump on Friday said the “number one” reason for adding the question was for the drawing of electoral districts, which is not the legal reason the administration originally gave for adding it.


The administration had originally told the courts the question was needed to better enforce a law that protects the voting rights of racial minorities.


A group of states including New York and immigrant rights organizations challenged the legality of the citizenship question, arguing among other things that the U.S. Constitution requires congressional districts to be distributed based on a count of “the whole number of persons in each state” with no reference to citizenship. Three different federal judges blocked the administration before the Supreme Court intervened.

Swordsmyth
07-05-2019, 06:06 PM
Yet another deadline passed. And it was the Trump Administration's fault.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48890233

Thanks for your concern but I'm not concerned, Trump has this.

Swordsmyth
07-08-2019, 08:51 PM
Cue the meltdown because one looks like one could hit liberal America very soon. We’ve been haggling over the citizenship question in the 2020 census. It’s been asked before in past surveys. As the Department of Justice was ordered to look into ways to include the key question, AG Barr recently announced that a path might have been found (via Post and Courier (https://www.postandcourier.com/news/attorney-general-barr-tells-sc-reporters-he-s-found-a/article_76547b6e-a18c-11e9-a2e7-b7256bab1021.html)):

AG William Barr told reporters he's found a "pathway" for getting the #CitizenshipQuestion (https://twitter.com/hashtag/CitizenshipQuestion?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) back onto the #2020Census (https://twitter.com/hashtag/2020Census?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw). This comes a day after the DOJ reassigned the lawyers who have handled the case for more than a year.
— Michael Macagnone (@mikemacagnone) July 8, 2019 (https://twitter.com/mikemacagnone/status/1148322502902505472?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)In a visit to South Carolina on Monday, U.S. Attorney General William Barr said the Trump administration will present a legal work-around that will allow a question on citizenship to be added to the 2020 Census.
Speaking to reporters after a scheduled stop at a federal prison, Barr said, “I think over the next day or two you’ll see what approach we’re taking and I think it does provide a pathway for getting the question on the census.”
He did not provide details in his brief remarks.
Barr also expressed little concern for the pending testimony of former special counsel Robert Mueller to federal lawmakers next week on his investigation into U.S. election interference by the Russian government.
[…]
While Barr would not detail the administration’s plans regarding the census questionnaire, a senior official said President Donald Trump is expected to issue a memorandum to the Commerce Department instructing it to require census respondents to say whether they are citizens, the Associated Press reported Monday.


More at: https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2019/07/08/ag-barr-census-n2549719