Whistleblower Reveals That A UN-Planned Invasion By Refugees Into The US Is Already Underway

[LibertyEagle]

This article is a couple of years old, but I believed pertinent to what is going on currently.



US: A Missouri woman is interviewed by radio-show host, Josh Tolley, and tells how she became involved in her state’s refugee-immigration program and how the program is far more extensive and advanced than most people realize. She describes how the UN, under the heading of Agenda 2030, is planning immigration into the US similar to what is happening in Europe. The goal is to create chaos and lay the foundation for breaking the US into smaller political units with equal UN representation – and the end of America as a sovereign nation. -GEG


(read the rest) Video included. G. Edward Griffin's website:

https://needtoknow.news/2017/04/whistleblower-reveals-un-planned-invasion-refugees-us-already-underway/

[donnay]

This has been in the works for a very long time, no doubt. Trump just made them speed things up.

[Zippyjuan]

Gee- an unnamed woman.....


Her closing comment was that she believes the refugees are a tool of invasion used by the United Nations under Agenda 2030 to remove national borders.

There you go! Documented proof!


If the UN officially recognizes a group of refugees, then UN ‘Peacekeeper’ soldiers may be placed wherever the refugees are located. She said that there have been sightings of UN trucks in her state.

Link?

[Swordsmyth]

Gee- an unnamed woman.....



There you go! Documented proof!
Armed with the power of government.

[AngryCanadian]

This is the same UN plan for Europe which has being happening already in Italy and France.

[Zippyjuan]

Armed with the power of government.

What was her government position?

Hordes of lepers headed your way!


Many refugees are allowed into the US who have communicable diseases such as tuberculosis, leprosy, and smallpox.

It also claims that there are fewer refugees under Trump.

[PAF]

A one-world government does not care one bit where people are located. What they care about are pitting people against people, country against country at the expense of individualism, an education system designed to dumb down populations, and funding police state apparatus to line corporatists pockets and to monitor/control every man woman and child throughout the world as stated in the 2030 agenda.

What was once a temporary measure and to cease right after the world war ended, passports are now mandated in every country throughout the world, along with increasing use of facial recognition. More than 3 oz of body deodorant will be confiscated, not even a sealed bottle of water is permitted, and baby formula screened, scrutinized and sampled if you are somehow able to get away with having it. United States, Europe, Australia, Mexico, it just doesn’t matter. Once the “Land of the Free” mandates police state policy, all other countries follow suit. This government is directly complicit in accomplishing the new world order. And the American citizens in this country allow welcome it to happen.

[Zippyjuan]

A one-world government does not care one bit where people are located. What they care about are pitting people against people, country against country at the expense of individualism, an education system designed to dumb down populations, and funding police state apparatus to line corporatists pockets and to monitor/control every man woman and child throughout the world as stated in the 2030 agenda.

What was once a temporary measure and to cease right after the world war ended, passports are now mandated in every country throughout the world, along with increasing use of facial recognition. More than 3 oz of body deodorant will be confiscated, not even a sealed bottle of water is permitted, and baby formula screened, scrutinized and sampled if you are somehow able to get away with having it. United States, Europe, Australia, Mexico, it just doesn’t matter. Once the “Land of the Free” mandates police state policy, all other countries follow suit. This government is directly complicit in accomplishing the new world order. And the American citizens in this country allow welcome it to happen.

Maybe people should be free to travel to any country they want at any time without being checked at borders for any ID or papers? Kind of "open borders" thing?

[Swordsmyth]

Maybe people should be free to travel to any country they want at any time without being checked at borders for any ID or papers? Kind of "open borders" thing?
So they can spread tyranny everywhere?
We know you want that.

[Swordsmyth]

A one-world government does not care one bit where people are located. What they care about are pitting people against people, country against country at the expense of individualism, an education system designed to dumb down populations, and funding police state apparatus to line corporatists pockets and to monitor/control every man woman and child throughout the world as stated in the 2030 agenda.
And they need to destroy the independence of America to get what they want, in order to do that they are flooding us with foreign invaders and erasing our borders.

And you are on their side.

[Anti Federalist]

A one-world government does not care one bit where people are located.

Yes, it does, and it funds the invaders through any number of NGOs and "Christian" charities.

Catholic Charities being one of the worst. (https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=7587)


What they care about are pitting people against people, country against country at the expense of individualism, an education system designed to dumb down populations, and funding police state apparatus to line corporatists pockets and to monitor/control every man woman and child throughout the world as stated in the 2030 agenda.

Invading migrant hordes are the death of individualism.

There will be no individual in the coming system: just a nameless, faceless, hopeless, moiling, mob of gray humanity, frantically scurrying on a rat wheel of endless debt, consuming their way toward government approved and strictly de-delineated "happiness" all under the watchful eye of the global surveillance state.

That is why government funds the NGOs that facilitate the invasion and why every single government media organ, bar none, are universally in favor of unlimited migrant invasion, from anywhere in the world, especially those people most diametrically foreign and different from the native populations.

[PAF]

Maybe people should be free to travel to any country they want at any time without being checked at borders for any ID or papers? Kind of "open borders" thing?

I’d be a whole happier :) Then maybe I wouldn’t get so upset at airports and cause a scene every time they confiscate my personal belongings that I pay good money for - without a search warrant, or court order to steal from me.

Now, if I or somebody else harms another person or property, I can agree with arrest, a court date and facing the accuser, according to the Bill of Rights which we are all fighting to restore here on RPF.

[Zippyjuan]

Yes, it does, and it funds the invaders through any number of NGOs and "Christian" charities.

Catholic Charities being one of the worst. (https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=7587)



Invading migrant hordes are the death of individualism.

That is why government funds the NGOs that facilitate the invasion and why every single government media organ, bar none, are universally in favor of unlimited migrant invasion, from anywhere in the world, especially those people most diametrically foreign and different from the native populations.

If we enforce everybody being the same by banning those who are not the same as us, does "individualism" actually exist?

[Zippyjuan]

I’d be a whole happier :) Then maybe I wouldn’t get so upset at airports and cause a scene every time they confiscate my personal belongings that I pay good money for - without a search warrant, or court order to steal from me.

Now, if I or somebody else harms another person or property, I can agree with arrest, a court date and facing the accuser, according to the Bill of Rights which we are all fighting to restore here on RPF.

Some prefer the police state. Need the government protect"us" from "them". In the name of "freedom" we have to restrict freedoms. You can't be too careful!

[Anti Federalist]

If we enforce everybody being the same by banning those who are not the same as us, does "individualism" actually exist?

See addendum to my post that addresses that point.

To answer your question, yes of course it does, when those who are "the same" come from an understanding of liberty and the rights of the individual to be sacrosanct.

[PAF]

And they need to destroy the independence of America to get what they want, in order to do that they are flooding us with foreign invaders and erasing our borders.

And you are on their side.

I don’t give a flip about “America’s independence”, until America gives a flip about my independence, which this central government absolutely doesn’t. The old saying, start with yourself, then your family, everything else will work itself out.

[Swordsmyth]

If we enforce everybody being the same by banning those who are not the same as us, does "individualism" actually exist?
They can be tyrants in their own territory.

[Swordsmyth]

I don’t give a flip about “America’s independence”, until America gives a flip about my independence, which this central government absolutely doesn’t. The old saying, start with yourself, then your family, everything else will work itself out.
You are trying to start with the world even though they are much worse than America.

[Zippyjuan]

I don’t give a flip about “America’s independence”, until America gives a flip about my independence, which this central government absolutely doesn’t. The old saying, start with yourself, then your family, everything else will work itself out.

I think it was an old Game of Thrones episode (probably been said many other times as well) but it was something like: "people in power only have power because other people think the have the power."

[Anti Federalist]

I don’t give a flip about “America’s independence”, until America gives a flip about my independence, which this central government absolutely doesn’t. The old saying, start with yourself, then your family, everything else will work itself out.

I am.

That's what has me so worked up.

When the SJW crowd started attacking my family, my posterity.

[PAF]

I am.

That's what has me so worked up.

When the SJW crowd started attacking my family, my posterity.

Your experience seems to be vastly different than mine and I can and do respect that. In my own personal experience, most of the immigrants I know are very good people, good friends, great business owners, and open to the ideals of Ron Paul and fiscal responsibility.

In my own personal experience, corrupt politicians, moron voters and the dumbed down society created by the FedDeptEd are my biggest beef, along with a banking system that is the root of most problems. Until those change, all bets are off. And restricting more rights will not help; it only plays directly into their hands.

[PAF]

I think it was an old Game of Thrones episode (probably been said many other times as well) but it was something like: "people in power only have power because other people think the have the power."

I am not at all familiar with Game of Thrones but I have heard that expression many times and fully agree with it.

[Swordsmyth]

Your experience seems to be vastly different than mine and I can and do respect that. In my own personal experience, most of the immigrants I know are very good people, good friends, great business owners, and open to the ideals of Ron Paul and fiscal responsibility.

In my own personal experience, corrupt politicians, moron voters and the dumbed down society created by the FedDeptEd are my biggest beef, along with a banking system that is the root of most problems. Until those change, all bets are off. And restricting more rights will not help; it only plays directly into their hands.
That is why we must not let in millions of people who will restrict our rights.

[Zippyjuan]

That is why we must not let in millions of people who will restrict our rights.

More police state in the name of protecting rights and freedoms! Yay!

[PAF]

That is why we must not let in millions of people who will restrict our rights.

Not a single immigrant in all my years has ever tried to restrict my freedom to travel, asked for documentation, ordered me to disarm my weapon or gave me a ticket for walking diagonally across the street.

You and your ilk have.

[Swordsmyth]

More police state in the name of protecting rights and freedoms! Yay!
It's not a police state, it's what every nation in history has done.

[Swordsmyth]

Not a single immigrant in all my years has ever tried to restrict my freedom to travel, asked for documentation, ordered me to disarm my weapon or gave me a ticket for walking diagonally across the street.

You and your ilk have.
I never have and many immigrants have voted for those who do.

[Zippyjuan]

Not a single immigrant in all my years has ever tried to restrict my freedom to travel, asked for documentation, ordered me to disarm my weapon or gave me a ticket for walking diagonally across the street.

You and your ilk have.

But we are doing it to protect you and your freedoms! Give us more of your freedoms and we can do an even better job of protecting them!

[Swordsmyth]

But we are doing it to protect you and your freedoms! Give us more of your freedoms and we can do an even better job of protecting them!
That is the line you open borders shills are selling all right.

[PAF]

It's not a police state, it's what every nation in history has done.

^^^ Look here, folks! ^^^

Shill wants to emulate other countries, and so conditioned as not to recognize a police state of which he advocates!

This is def a keeper LOL

[Cleaner44]

Yes, it does, and it funds the invaders through any number of NGOs and "Christian" charities.

Catholic Charities being one of the worst. (https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=7587)



Invading migrant hordes are the death of individualism.

There will be no individual in the coming system: just a nameless, faceless, hopeless, moiling, mob of gray humanity, frantically scurrying on a rat wheel of endless debt, consuming their way toward government approved and strictly de-delineated "happiness" all under the watchful eye of the global surveillance state.

That is why government funds the NGOs that facilitate the invasion and why every single government media organ, bar none, are universally in favor of unlimited migrant invasion, from anywhere in the world, especially those people most diametrically foreign and different from the native populations.

I don't understand why any libertarian would would want open borders and oppose controlling immigration into the U.S.

Libertarian = Individual Rights

Globalism = Collectivism

[Zippyjuan]

I don't understand why any libertarian would would want open borders and oppose controlling immigration into the U.S.

Libertarian = Individual Rights

Globalism = Collectivism

Does "liberty" include freedom of movement? Freedom of association? Freedom to hire whomever you wish?

[Swordsmyth]

Does "liberty" include freedom of movement? Freedom of association? Freedom to hire whomever you wish?
Not beyond borders until the whole world is libertarian.

[Swordsmyth]

^^^ Look here, folks! ^^^

Shill wants to emulate other countries, and so conditioned as not to recognize a police state of which he advocates!

This is def a keeper LOL
Yes, I want to emulate countries that SURVIVED and avoided conquest.
No defending your borders is NOT a police state.

[jkr]

Bar bruh. Sp ector

[PAF]

Does "liberty" include freedom of movement? Freedom of association? Freedom to hire whomever you wish?



Not beyond borders until the whole world is libertarian.


Just testing my new sig addendum out.

[Zippyjuan]

I don't understand why any libertarian would would want open borders and oppose controlling immigration into the U.S.

Libertarian = Individual Rights

Globalism = Collectivism

In "Liberty Defined", Ron Paul said " "In the ideal libertarian world, borders would be blurred and open".

(the following article is NOT by Ron Paul but makes some good arguments)

https://www.libertarianism.org/columns/libertarian-argument-open-borders


The Libertarian Argument for Open Borders

Libertarians should support open borders, with possible exceptions for the exclusion of convicted criminals and people carrying disease.

Introduction

Since its beginnings in the Enlightenment era, libertarianism has been a cosmopolitan ideology. Yet, some people in the libertarian camp have made calls to “secure the border” or to restrict immigration for other reasons, like keeping out people they worry will undermine the cultural foundations of liberty. Today, I’m going to offer a broad overview of immigration policy from a libertarian perspective. First, I will offer several libertarian arguments for open borders. These are the economic gains open borders make possible, the institutional benefits open borders create, and respect for people’s right to free association. Second, I will discuss two objections against open borders commonly raised by critics. These are the question of whether the government should pick and choose, allowing in only beneficial immigrants, and a concern about the effects that open borders would have in concert with the welfare state. After dealing with those specific objections, I will point out some flaws common to those and other objections to free immigration.

The Case for Open Borders

Economic Benefits

Essentially, borders are barriers to trade. Imagine if tomorrow the government declared that to travel or move goods from North Dakota to South Dakota, you had to go through a customs station, show documentation, answer questions, etc. just like you would have to do to travel from New York to Ontario or Montana to Alberta. There would be a lot less travel and commerce between North and South Dakota, right? And both States would be poorer as a result! That thought experiment suggests that existing border controls are doing a lot of economic damage. Some economists have projected that allowing free immigration to any country could, as a median estimation, double world GDP. The more potential trading partners you have, the greater the potential gains from trade. Allowing people to gather where they wish is a way to facilitate realizing those gains.

Institutional Benefits

What can be done to spread freedom around the world? One answer is to make different governments compete for citizens. States with private property protections, low taxes, and something like the rule of law are more attractive places to live than places that lack those institutions. When people leave the jurisdictions of bad governments, it deprives those governments of material support. That only works, though, if other countries are willing to take in the people who have left.

Freedom of Association

One of the fundamental rights all humans have is the right to associate, or not, with whomever they choose. Immigration controls infringe on that right. If you want to meet your friend for coffee, you have a right to do that so long as you do not violate anyone else’s rights in the process. Crossing an international border does not harm anyone’s person or property, so it is a protected action. Preventing you from crossing the border to see your friend, or preventing them from coming to visit you, is no more justifiable than the government erecting roadblocks around a church or other private gathering place to prevent people from meeting there.

Objections to Open Borders

Why Not Pick and Choose?

There’s a line of thought that goes like this. Sure, immigrants may on net be a boon to the economy, but some of them are a drain. Sure, many immigrants assimilate into the American mainstream, but some of them hold political views less libertarian than the median American, or cultural values less conducive to a free society. Why not, then, let in the beneficial immigrants, and keep the harmful ones out?

The thing proponents of this view are missing is this: Why would you ever trust a government, any government, to make that determination? Why would you think a government had an interest in making that determination correctly, or the means to do so?

If the government were capable of determining in advance which immigrants would be economically advantageous, why not also trust it to determine which energy companies are best? And yet we know how the Solyndra fiasco turned out. The whole thing is just economic central planning in disguise.

The possible exceptions to this rule are exclusion on the basis of criminality or for public health reasons. Such restrictions are based on verifiable facts about things that have already happened, rather than speculations about what might happen in the future. This is in line with the libertarian impulse that people’s rights should only be restricted if they have violated the rights of others, as in the case of criminality, or if their action would endanger the lives or property of others, as in the case of quarantine. Even still, there is potential for abuse. Persons the government deems threats not to its citizens but to its own power might be excluded for politically motivated convictions in other countries. If you give the state discretion, experience shows that it may well use that discretion in unjust ways.

What About the Welfare State?

Another common objection is that the arrival of immigrants might lead to the expansion of the welfare state. This is a good argument for abolishing the welfare state and a bad argument for restricting immigration. So long as we live in a mixed economy with socialist elements, libertarian changes in any given area run risks of this type. Those libertarians who are not opposed to taxation in general are typically against special carve-outs, such as special tax breaks for married couples or people with children. Yet, gay marriage and gay adoption expand the number of people eligible for those carve-outs. Is that a good reason to oppose gay marriage and gay adoption? No, it’s a reason to reform the tax code.

John Locke put it in no uncertain terms in his essay “For a General Naturalisation:”

Another objection very apt to be made is that it will increase the number of the poor…If by poor are meant such as want relief and being idle themselves live upon the labour of others; if there be any such poor amongst us already who are able to work and do not, ’tis a shame to the government and a fault in our constitution and ought to be remedied, for whilst that is permitted we must ruin, whether we have many or few people.

The welfare state may be bad, but that’s no reason for libertarians to support immigration restrictions.

Some General Problems with Objections to Immigration

Most objections to free immigration prove more than the person objecting would like. Walter Block and Gene Callahan point out that many arguments leveled against immigrants—they cost taxpayers money, they are permitted on public property, a sufficiently large number of them could wipe out our cultural identity—apply just as readily to domestically bred-and-born infants (p. 55). They might end up on welfare! They have strange customs, an alien culture! They might vote Democrat! Of course, they might do these things, but concerns about negative consequences are hardly reason to give in to statism and exclude peaceful immigrants from our society by force, as Block points out in a different paper (p. 185). Moreover, say Block and Callahan (p. 63), why stop at trans-national border crossings? Most arguments for restricting that sort of movement would also give us reason to prevent intra-national movement of persons.

Conclusion

Libertarianism has a long history of favoring the free movement of goods and persons across government-imposed borders. That history goes back to the Enlightenment and continues today. In the Second Treatise (section 118), Locke says that when a child comes of age, he is “at liberty what government he will put himself under, what body politic he will unite himself to.” In Liberalism, Ludwig von Mises writes “There cannot be the slightest doubt that migration barriers diminish the productivity of human labor.” In his paper on immigration, Michael Huemer concludes “that for the most part, advocates of restriction have failed to satisfy the burden of justification created by the harmful, coercive nature of their favored policy, and that a far more liberal immigration policy is demanded by respect for individual rights.”

[Swordsmyth]

In "Liberty Defined", Ron Paul said " "In the ideal libertarian world, borders would be blurred and open".

(the following article is NOT by Ron Paul but makes some good arguments)

https://www.libertarianism.org/columns/libertarian-argument-open-borders

Let me know when we have an ideal libertarian world because we don't yet.

[Zippyjuan]

Let me know when we have an ideal libertarian world because we don't yet.

So let's stick with dictators and police states and act like them while only pretending to support liberty.


It's not a police state, it's what every nation in history has done.

[euphemia]

Maybe people should be free to travel to any country they want at any time without being checked at borders for any ID or papers? Kind of "open borders" thing?

I can’t get on a plane to fly to Florida without documents, a personal search, a luggage search and a lot of crankiness.

[PAF]

Most objections to free immigration prove more than the person objecting would like. Walter Block and Gene Callahan point out that many arguments leveled against immigrants—they cost taxpayers money, they are permitted on public property, a sufficiently large number of them could wipe out our cultural identity—apply just as readily to domestically bred-and-born infants (p. 55). They might end up on welfare! They have strange customs, an alien culture! They might vote Democrat! Of course, they might do these things, but concerns about negative consequences are hardly reason to give in to statism and exclude peaceful immigrants from our society by force, as Block points out in a different paper (p. 185). Moreover, say Block and Callahan (p. 63), why stop at trans-national border crossings? Most arguments for restricting that sort of movement would also give us reason to prevent intra-national movement of persons.


And with the TSA Domestic Blueprint right here in our own Land of the Free country, all the more reason to heed these words.

[Swordsmyth]

So let's stick with dictators and police states and act like them while only pretending to support liberty.
No, let's keep out people like that until they copy our domestic example of liberty.

[PAF]

No, let's keep out people like that until they copy our domestic example of liberty.

Seriously, are you completely strung out on dope? You want to restrict liberty so that they can copy our domestic example of liberty.

Please. Seek serious, serious help. Please.

[Swordsmyth]

Seriously, are you completely strung out on dope? You want to restrict liberty so that they can copy our domestic example of liberty.

Please. Seek serious, serious help. Please.
You are the one whose brain is addled, you want to let unlimited numbers of people from anti-liberty cultures into the US and claim that liberty will increase as a result, you want to pretend that the whole world is already a libertarian paradise.

Seek help.

We can create as much liberty within the country as possible while keeping out people who will destroy it until they copy our example or we can let the natural forces of tyranny reduce us to the lowest common denominator of tyranny like everywhere else and see liberty go extinct.

[PAF]

You are the one whose brain is addled, you want to let unlimited numbers of people from anti-liberty cultures into the US and claim that liberty will increase as a result, you want to pretend that the whole world is already a libertarian paradise.

Seek help.

We can create as much liberty within the country as possible while keeping out people who will destroy it until they copy our example or we can let the natural forces of tyranny reduce us to the lowest common denominator of tyranny like everywhere else and see liberty go extinct.

There are roughly 7.7 Billion people on this planet. Including me, (not you) +/- 3% understand true liberty and actually strive to live it as best we can, everywhere we can. That leaves 97% of the worlds population who either succumb to and/or support government baureocrats - like you.

And whatever psychotic drugs you may or may not be on, you actually believe that I am going to personally restrict MY own freedom and liberty to help the government in their ultimate objective while waiting for the entire planet of stupid sheep to play catch up?

Do you actually believe for a moment, that with my experience, intellect and Agorist lifestyle, that I am going to fall for what you are spewing?

Do you ever leave your basement, even for a few minutes a day, to get a little fresh air?

:tears: :tears: :tears:

[Swordsmyth]

There are roughly 7.7 Billion people on this planet. Including me, (not you) +/- 3% understand true liberty and actually strive to live it as best we can, everywhere we can. That leaves 97% of the worlds population who either succumb to and/or support government baureocrats - like you.

And whatever psychotic drugs you may or may not be on, you actually believe that I am going to personally restrict MY own freedom and liberty to help the government in their ultimate objective while waiting for the entire planet of stupid sheep to play catch up?

Do you actually believe for a moment, that with my experience, intellect and Agorist lifestyle, that I am going to fall for what you are spewing?

Do you ever leave your basement, even for a few minutes a day, to get a little fresh air?

:tears: :tears: :tears:
Keep raving, maybe it will help your therapy.

You are the one who wants to allow in millions of people who will restrict your freedom and mine.

[Cleaner44]

Does "liberty" include freedom of movement? Freedom of association? Freedom to hire whomever you wish?

It does to an extent. My right to swing my fist ends where your nose begins.



In "Liberty Defined", Ron Paul said " "In the ideal libertarian world, borders would be blurred and open".

(the following article is NOT by Ron Paul but makes some good arguments)

https://www.libertarianism.org/columns/libertarian-argument-open-borders

It has been quite a few years since I read Liberty Defined, but I will accept your quote. I will say that we don't live in an ideal libertarian world and never will as much as I wish it to be so. Here on Earth we have non-libertarian idiots to deal with... yes you Zippy.

[RonZeplin]

Never forget, Abe Lincoln was an illegal alien invader at Appomattox Court House, Virginia, Confederate States of America.

Reconquista Republicans from the start. The GOP has had no regard for borders or national sovereignty, ever. :redflag:

[Anti Globalist]

This has been in the works for a long time now. I doubt its reversible at this point.

[Champ]

What I'm seeing in this thread is a debate about the merits/benefits of open borders immigration vs. closed borders. Been there, done that x1000.

The 2 year old article and video in the op are about a coming wave of people through a UN program to essentially destroy the country. Would be more interested to hear commentary on this aspect rather than the age old debate we keep rehashing, plenty of other threads for that.

It seems like aspects of what this whistle blower said are playing out, whether you support these events happening or not. The caravans have felt artificially created since day 1, with people being handed out money to start their journey here, ignoring offered job opportunities and safer existence in areas of Mexico, and instead pushing past to make it to the US border. The whistle blower's statements would explain why the feeling of artificiality has existed, because this was not some spontaneously created event where war stricken, impoverished individuals were looking to cash in on an over bloated welfare system, which is a large incentivizing problem in itself, but to get here and create chaos through border camps, disease, and the flooding of cities, first sanctuary cities, then all major cities.

The people coming up here are not at fault and should not be blamed, nor should the concerned citizens that don't like what they are seeing unfold, whether pro/anti illegal immigration, they are all being used, like any other group in history, to do the bidding of other collective interests of unseen/unheard groups that they may be completely unaware of. The focus should be on the unseen and unheard and what they are up to, and not getting caught in the quagmire of intense debate about how good/bad open immigration may be. If the attention remains away from those that plan events like this, then everyone loses in the end, regardless of which side you fall on right now.

[Swordsmyth]

What I'm seeing in this thread is a debate about the merits/benefits of open borders immigration vs. closed borders. Been there, done that x1000.

The 2 year old article and video in the op are about a coming wave of people through a UN program to essentially destroy the country. Would be more interested to hear commentary on this aspect rather than the age old debate we keep rehashing, plenty of other threads for that.

It seems like aspects of what this whistle blower said are playing out, whether you support these events happening or not. The caravans have felt artificially created since day 1, with people being handed out money to start their journey here, ignoring offered job opportunities and safer existence in areas of Mexico, and instead pushing past to make it to the US border. The whistle blower's statements would explain why the feeling of artificiality has existed, because this was not some spontaneously created event where war stricken, impoverished individuals were looking to cash in on an over bloated welfare system, which is a large incentivizing problem in itself, but to get here and create chaos through border camps, disease, and the flooding of cities, first sanctuary cities, then all major cities.

The people coming up here are not at fault and should not be blamed, nor should the concerned citizens that don't like what they are seeing unfold, whether pro/anti illegal immigration, they are all being used, like any other group in history, to do the bidding of other collective interests of unseen/unheard groups that they may be completely unaware of. The focus should be on the unseen and unheard and what they are up to, and not getting caught in the quagmire of intense debate about how good/bad open immigration may be. If the attention remains away from those that plan events like this, then everyone loses in the end, regardless of which side you fall on right now.
I agree but whenever those of us who see what is happening try to move on to what we can do about it the anarchists start telling us we are NAZIs and we arrive back at the old open borders/immigration control debate.

[Zippyjuan]

We don't have open borders anyways.

[Swordsmyth]

We don't have open borders anyways.
We have 20+ million invaders and a flood of new invaders coming every day.

Semantic games don't change that.

[Zippyjuan]

We have 20+ million invaders and a flood of new invaders coming every day.

Semantic games don't change that.

Speaking of semantic games...

[Swordsmyth]

Speaking of semantic games...
Yes, you want to play more of them and deny it's an invasion, we know.

[Zippyjuan]

Yes, you want to play more of them and deny it's an invasion, we know.

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[Swordsmyth]

1075732375169060869

:sleeping:

[Stratovarious]

I don’t give a flip about “America’s independence”, until America gives a flip about my independence, ....


Bring on the NWO, we all knew why you were here, now you publish it.

Precious.

:frog:

[A Son of Liberty]

To answer your question, yes of course it does, when those who are "the same" come from an understanding of liberty and the rights of the individual to be sacrosanct.

WHERE - OH, WHERE! - THE EVER LOVING MOTHER FUCK ARE THESE PEOPLE!?

My LIFE, my fortune, for THESE PEOPLE!

[AngryCanadian]

Does "liberty" include freedom of movement? Freedom of association? Freedom to hire whomever you wish?

freedom of movement? You mean that movement where you also welcome in potential criminals as well?

[phill4paul]

Not a single immigrant in all my years has ever tried to restrict my freedom to travel, asked for documentation, ordered me to disarm my weapon or gave me a ticket for walking diagonally across the street.

You and your ilk have.

Lucky you. Local news as of 8 hrs. ago...

https://860wacb.com/wp-content/uploads/Areli-Aguirre-Aveliz-288x360.jpg


A man charged with three Alexander County murders is an undocumented illegal alien. Sheriff Chris Bowman confirmed today that 30-year old Areli Aguirre-Aveliz has been named in an ICE detainer by the Office of Homeland Security.
Aguirre-Aveliz and 16-year old Heidi Wolfe of Wilkesboro are each facing three counts of murder and charges of arson. The bodies of Angel E Pacheco, age 10 and his sister 12-year America Pacheco were found in a burned mobile home in Northern Alexander County on June 15th. According to search warrants, both children had been shot and left in the home after it was set ablaze. That information was submitted to investigators by Heidi Wolfe who says Calderon was able to escape the home after being shot. She claims that Aguirre-Aleliz told her to “run over her” which she claims she did. Wolfe says Calderon’s body was taken to and dumped in the Catawba River. Multiple searches has yet to locate the body.

Aguirre-Aveliz has also been charged with a count of statutory rape. Sheriff Bowman says the victim of the alleged rape was not one of the murder victims.

B86 Radio will talk with Sheriff Bowman Thursday morning on the radio and streaming online at 7:45am.

https://860wacb.com/breaking-news-murder-suspect-in-country-illegally/

[Zippyjuan]

freedom of movement? You mean that movement where you also welcome in potential criminals as well?

Everybody is a potential criminal. Including you and me. Just ban all humans from the planet and that will end crime.

[Anti Federalist]

But we are doing it to protect you and your freedoms! Give us more of your freedoms and we can do an even better job of protecting them!

How free is Uni-Party California?

Enjoying your new gas taxes?

Or do you pedal around on a Chairman Mao bicycle?

[AngryCanadian]

Everybody is a potential criminal. Including you and me. Just ban all humans from the planet and that will end crime.

Hm not really when you have actually documents. Undocumention is bad. Not to mention many of those migrants are coming with fake papers, fake names.

[Anti Federalist]

In "Liberty Defined", Ron Paul said " "In the ideal libertarian world, borders would be blurred and open".

And we do not have that world.

Not even close.

Ron Paul also said that the troops should be brought home and used to defend our border.

I still agree with that.

Why don't you?

[Anti Federalist]

So let's stick with dictators and police states and act like them while only pretending to support liberty.

Defending your borders, defending your home against invasion, does not equal dictators and police states.

It is the invaders gaining political clout that has turned California into a police state with a governor that for all intents and purposes is a dictator.

The freest states in the nation are those that have the least amount of migrant invaders.

[Anti Federalist]

And with the TSA Domestic Blueprint right here in our own Land of the Free country, all the more reason to heed these words.

If you believe the party line about 9/11 then it makes the case for border control:

If there had been stricter control of migrants entering and staying in the country, the 9/11 hijackers would not even have been here, would not have been able to take flight training that was so obviously a front for a plane takeover and terrorist op that it was reported by flight instructors to the Feds who took no action because "racism", would not have taken over planes and used them as missiles to kill thousands of people.

Therefore there would have been no justification for TSA and all its associated bullshit.

Open borders created the justification for a police state.

It will make this current police state worse...visit a Mexican or Ukrainian or Honduran jail sometime.

Why do you want to live in a police state?

[Anti Federalist]

Freedom of Association

One of the fundamental rights all humans have is the right to associate, or not, with whomever they choose. Immigration controls infringe on that right.

Yes it is.

And I choose not to live in New Kinshasa or New El Salvador or New Kiev.

I have that right, I have the right to band together with similar minded folks and I/we have the right to advocate for policies that would prevent that.

[phill4paul]

If you believe the party line about 9/11 then it makes the case for border control:

If there had been stricter control of migrants entering and staying in the country, the 9/11 hijackers would not even have been here, would not have been able to take flight training that was so obviously a front for a plane takeover and terrorist op that it was reported by flight instructors to the Feds who took no action because "racism", would not have taken over planes and used them as missiles to kill thousands of people.

Therefore there would have been no justification for TSA and all its associated bullshit.

Open borders created the justification for a police state.

It will make this current police state worse...visit a Mexican or Ukrainian or Honduran jail sometime.

Why do you want to live in a police state?

^^ THIS^^. ALL of this.

Just wait until 20 Islamic radicals cross over undetected and obtain weapons and explosives from home grown terrorists and hit 4 different malls or amusement parks all on one day, commemorating such and such.
Not everyone that crosses turns themselves in. Of, course that is what the Zippy's of the world would have you believe.

[phill4paul]

Yes it is.

And I choose not to live in New Kinshasa or New El Salvador or New Kiev.

I have that right, I have the right to band together with similar minded folks and I/we have the right to advocate for policies that would prevent that.

Ayup. THAT'S "freedom of association."

[phill4paul]

Yes it is.

And I choose not to live in New Kinshasa or New El Salvador or New Kiev.

I have that right, I have the right to band together with similar minded folks and I/we have the right to advocate for policies that would prevent that.

How can you be opposed from people from Kiev? They are Euro-centric white people? That totally goes against the notion of racism. This racist xenophobia has got to end! ;)

[Danke]

If you believe the party line about 9/11 then it makes the case for border control:

If there had been stricter control of migrants entering and staying in the country, the 9/11 hijackers would not even have been here, would not have been able to take flight training that was so obviously a front for a plane takeover and terrorist op that it was reported by flight instructors to the Feds who took no action because "racism", would not have taken over planes and used them as missiles to kill thousands of people.

Therefore there would have been no justification for TSA and all its associated bullshit.

Open borders created the justification for a police state.

It will make this current police state worse...visit a Mexican or Ukrainian or Honduran jail sometime.

Why do you want to live in a police state?

This

[ATruepatriot]

This

Agreed...

[Anti Federalist]

How can you be opposed from people from Kiev? They are Euro-centric white people? That totally goes against the notion of racism. This racist xenophobia has got to end! ;)

Fuck them too, we have enough piece of shit, self loathing white Bolsheviks to deal with as it is...

That asshole from Ukraine, that should not have even been here, just wiped out seven folks up here in NH.

The loss of life is bad enough, but the clamor for more restrictions and regulations on motorcycles, EVEN THOUGH THE BIKERS DID NOTHING WRONG, will be enough to deafen you, you wait and see.

All because some migrant trash, junkie, fuck that should have been deported months ago, decided that it was a good morning to get high and nodded out behind the wheel.

[phill4paul]

Fuck them too, we have enough piece of shit, self loathing white Bolsheviks to deal with as it is...

That asshole from Ukraine, that should not have even been here, just wiped out seven folks up here in NH.

The loss of life is bad enough, but the clamor for more restrictions and regulations on motorcycles, EVEN THOUGH THE BIKERS DID NOTHING WRONG, will be enough to deafen you, you wait and see.

All because some migrant trash, junkie, fuck that should have been deported months ago, decided that it was a good morning to get high and nodded out behind the wheel.

I'm not a RACIST xenophobe. I'm just a xenophobe. Right there with you.

[Swordsmyth]

I'm not a RACIST xenophobe. I'm just a xenophobe. Right there with you.
The Xenophiles have nearly destroyed civilization.

[Anti Federalist]

I'm not a RACIST xenophobe. I'm just a xenophobe. Right there with you.

I don't even care anymore if the "racist" label is slapped on me...not a fan of the diversity, which creates it's own justification for a police state:

When you cram millions of people who despise each other into close quarters and demand they all hold hands and sing Kum-Bye-Ya with each other, it takes a heavy handed police state to keep a lid on things.

[phill4paul]

I don't even care anymore if the "racist" label is slapped on me...not a fan of the diversity, which creates it's own justification for a police state:

When you cram millions of people who despise each other into close quarters and demand they all hold hands and sing Kum-Bye-Ya with each other, it takes a heavy handed police state to keep a lid on things.

Absolutely, 10 yr. moratorium in migrants. Across the board, as in all.

But, it ain't gonna happen. You and I both know it.

[Brian4Liberty]

A one-world government does not care one bit where people are located. What they care about are pitting people against people, ...

That’s it. Pit people against each other to break down society, and break down nations. For instance, look at a nation like Japan. Just too hard to break that society down. Those Japanese have a strong majority, and they stick together.

Let’s destroy Japan. How do you pit people against each other? Lots of ways. People like to group themselves together, so use that against them. Group 1 is evil because of A,B,C. Group 2 is evil because of D, E, F. And that other group hates you!

How to divide Japan? Race is a classic. Use that. Ethnicity works too. Religion! Sexes. Class. Rich vs. poor. Sexual orientation, straights against everyone else!

Which of those divides can be created or enhanced via importation of other groups? Pretty easy. Import other races. Other ethnicities. Other religions. Poor people, lots of poor people! Keep them divided. Make sure they are constantly told that their differences are the most important thing, and that the other groups hate them. Always emphasize differences, create divides where there wouldn’t naturally be division. Tell all of the new groups that the key to taking control is to continue to import more of their own group. Japan will be broken down in just a few generations! Bye, bye Japan. Hello global government to take over.

Now the male vs female battle, and sexual orientation wars are hard to specifically import, but just keep agitating, and those divides can be created and maintained well enough.

Immigration is a key tool in “pitting people against other people”. That can not be ignored.

[PAF]

That’s it. Pit people against each other to break down society, and break down nations. For instance, look at a nation like Japan. Just too hard to break that society down. Those Japanese have a strong majority, and they stick together.

Let’s destroy Japan. How do you pit people against each other? Lots of ways. People like to group themselves together, so use that against them. Group 1 is evil because of A,B,C. Group 2 is evil because of D, E, F. And that other group hates you!

How to divide Japan? Race is a classic. Use that. Ethnicity works too. Religion! Sexes. Class. Rich vs. poor. Sexual orientation, straights against everyone else!

Which of those divides can be created or enhanced via importation of other groups? Pretty easy. Import other races. Other ethnicities. Other religions. Poor people, lots of poor people! Keep them divided. Make sure they are constantly told that their differences are the most important thing, and that the other groups hate them. Always emphasize differences, create divides where there wouldn’t naturally be division. Tell all of the new groups that the key to taking control is to continue to import more of their own group. Japan will be broken down in just a few generations! Bye, bye Japan. Hello global government to take over.

Now the male vs female battle, and sexual orientation wars are hard to specifically import, but just keep agitating, and those divides can be created and maintained well enough.

Immigration is a key tool in “pitting people against other people”. That can not be ignored.


$4.5 Billion.


It would have been easier for a "republican" president, when he had a "republican" controlled congress/senate to rally up the voter base and end the incentives WITHOUT creating the need for bigger, expansive and anti-liberty government "solutions". As it stands, people figured what the hell there is no difference and let the dems take over.

The easiest, cheapest, most freedom oriented solutions are always at the bottom of an endless pit.

[devil21]

The OP is exactly why there will be no wall, no immigrant round-ups, nothing of the sort and despite Trump's rhetoric he and Congress actually will do squat about it. He's on board with Agenda 21 2030 and is there to run interference for the globalists, by keeping the right pacified, while it continues.


I'm a globalist and a nationalist.

This is why I suggest that the most practical option for keeping libertarian/conservative ideals alive is to reach out to immigrants instead of demonizing them and staying away from them. NO ONE is going to stop this from continuing, as the orders come down from much higher than Trump's station. Sitting around calling immigrants names and complaining that nothing is happening to stop it, will ensure the outcome that the name-callers claim to want to avoid.

[Anti Federalist]

Absolutely, 10 yr. moratorium in migrants. Across the board, as in all.

But, it ain't gonna happen. You and I both know it.

Yeah, I know it...god damn it...:mad:

[devil21]

Yeah, I know it...god damn it...:mad:

Perhaps now it is clear what Dr. Paul was talking about when he stated the famous quote in my sig line. I doubt he meant name calling and complaining to ultimately no avail. It must also make one wonder about the authenticity of those that advocate for that as an appropriate response, while it is ongoing.

[Anti Federalist]

This is why I suggest that the most practical option to keeping libertarian/conservative ideals alive is to reach out to immigrants instead of demonizing them and staying away from them. NO ONE is going to stop this from continuing, as the orders come down from much higher than Trump's station. Sitting around calling immigrants names and complaining that nothing is happening to stop it, will ensure the outcome that the name-callers claim to want to avoid.

What makes you think I don't do that?

I've got a naturalized citizen from Ghana that works for me...I've got him convinced, and he, having jumped through all the hoops and all the waiting and all the tests, is none too happy at people just waltzing in whenever they feel like it either.

But that's a drop in the ocean, compared to the propaganda juggernaut arrayed against the voices of limited government, individual liberty and non intervention.

Consider what the enemies of the Republic have at their fingertips:

They have the all the major media organs, print, TV, internet.

They have the social network platforms, not just where they are the dominant voice but contrary voices are being actively shut out.

They have the major trans national corporations.

They have the education system, from infancy to grown adult...20 plus years of captive audience propaganda, which is what government schools were created for in the first place.

They have the bureaucracy, the un-elected ayatollahs, that never leave, never get the bum's rush by election, and who rule us, by regulatory fatwa, and control every aspect of our lives, right down to how much water we are allowed to have in our toilets.

And they have the churches, who will get us all killed with weak willed Christian "charity".

That's a pretty impressive array...one that "talking" is not going alter one single iota, in the great grand warp and woof of things.

[Anti Federalist]

Perhaps now it is clear what Dr. Paul was talking about when he stated the famous quote in my sig line. I doubt he meant name calling and complaining to ultimately no avail. It must also make one wonder about the authenticity of those that advocate for that as an appropriate response, while it is ongoing.

I'm all for action...I'm all about doing something more than just running our mouths in endless philosotarian navel gazing.

The time is long past for the remnant to collect itself, gather itself and demand secession and self determination.

And be prepared to back that demand up when it gets refused, as we all know it will be.

Dr. Paul also said what is in my sig line...

[devil21]

What makes you think I don't do that?

I don't know what you do or don't do, AF. Many of my posts are more generalized to whoever happens to read them instead of directed specifically at who I am replying to. So try not to think I'm accusing you of anything in particular as I don't necessarily mean to.



I've got a naturalized citizen from Ghana that works for me...I've got him convinced, and he, having jumped through all the hoops and all the waiting and all the tests, is none too happy at people just waltzing in whenever they feel like it either.

But that's a drop in the ocean, compared to the propaganda juggernaut arrayed against the voices of limited government, individual liberty and non intervention.

Consider what the enemies of the Republic have at their fingertips:

They have the all the major media organs, print, TV, internet.

They have the social network platforms, not just where they are the dominant voice but contrary voices are being actively shut out.

They have the major trans national corporations.

They have the education system, from infancy to grown adult...20 plus years of captive audience propaganda, which is what government schools were created for in the first place.

They have the bureaucracy, the un-elected ayatollahs, that never leave, never get the bum's rush by election, and who rule us, by regulatory fatwa, and control every aspect of our lives, right down to how much water we are allowed to have in our toilets.

And they have the churches, who will get us all killed with weak willed Christian "charity".

That's a pretty impressive array...one that "talking" is not going alter one single iota, in the great grand warp and woof of things.

Indeed it is a daunting task but you can only do as much as you can do. And at least it's not nothing and maybe gives a good reason to get out of bed in the morning.



I'm all for action...I'm all about doing something more than just running our mouths in endless philosotarian navel gazing.

The time is long past for the remnant to collect itself, gather itself and demand secession and self determination.

And be prepared to back that demand up when it gets refused, as we all know it will be.

Dr. Paul also said what is in my sig line...

I'm working on a LP Congressional campaign that's making a point to include latino outreach, though admittedly with extremely limited resources compared to the R/D duopoly so the effectiveness remains to be seen (www.jeffscottforcongress.com)

Remember that capturing hearts and minds is a central point of any military campaign. Win the people in the middle of it all, win the war. Lose the people, lose the war.

[Anti Federalist]

Remember that capturing hearts and minds is a central point of any military campaign. Win the people in the middle of it all, win the war. Lose the people, lose the war.

Yeah...that's what they said in VietNam...and we know what happened there.

I don't think there was any effort to win the hearts and minds of the Japanese people in our victory during WWII.

Just bomb them into utter, total, complete, absolute submission, killing however many millions it took, to secure victory, and then occupy their nation.

Modern day soyboy sensibilities fall away in a dead faint when confronted with that simple fact.

But we were a more robust people then, who still believed in ourselves.

[Anti Federalist]

I don't know what you do or don't do, AF. Many of my posts are more generalized to whoever happens to read them instead of directed specifically at who I am replying to. So try not to think I'm accusing you of anything in particular as I don't necessarily mean to

I understand, I just thought I'd make it clear that I do what I can on all fronts.


Indeed it is a daunting task but you can only do as much as you can do. And at least it's not nothing and maybe gives a good reason to get out of bed in the morning

Very overwhelming, and it's one reason why I have such a bad attitude these days.


I'm working on a LP Congressional campaign that's making a point to include latino outreach, though admittedly with extremely limited resources compared to the R/D duopoly so the effectiveness remains to be seen (www.jeffscottforcongress.com)

I wish you the very best of luck, and I mean that sincerely.

[devil21]

I understand, I just thought I'd make it clear that I do what I can on all fronts.

Very overwhelming, and it's one reason why I have such a bad attitude these days.

I wish you the very best of luck, and I mean that sincerely.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWJ34YANTYU


full last floor speech

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAOR77sUS88

[Anti Federalist]

full last floor speech

Well, you know
We're doing what we can.

But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

not defcon 5 until they make it illegal to have a gun

[PAF]

full last floor speech
[video=youtube;MAOR77sUS88]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAOR77sUS88


It has been a while since I have watched that fantastic speech, thank you for resurrecting it.

If nobody has seen it, it is worth the time to view it in its entirety, including Ron’s closing remarks.