PDA

View Full Version : 55% of women prefer socialism




Anti Federalist
06-11-2019, 05:44 PM
"Axios on HBO" poll: 55% of women prefer socialism

https://www.axios.com/axios-hbo-poll-55-percent-women-prefer-socialism-f70bf87e-34fd-4b63-b1f6-2f2b6900f634.html

A Harris poll for "Axios on HBO" finds that socialism is gaining popularity: 4 in 10 Americans say they would prefer living in a socialist country over a capitalist one.

Why it matters: Socialism is losing its Soviet-era stigma, especially among women.

55% of women between 18 and 54 would prefer to live in a socialist country than a capitalist country.

But a majority of men prefer to live in a capitalist country.

The big picture: "It's been a truth of American politics for decades that women are to the left of men, and I think that's playing out in this poll," Axios' Felix Salmon noted on "Axios on HBO."

Between the lines: As the Harris poll results below show, the public has varying levels of agreement on what exactly constitutes a socialist political system.

Universal healthcare: 76%
Tuition free education: 72%
Living wage: 68%
State-controlled economy: 66%
State control and regulation of private property : 61%
High taxes for the rich: 60%
State-controlled media and communication: 57%
Strong environmental regulations: 56%
High public spending: 55%
Government ’’democratizes’’ private businesses — that is, gives workers control over them — to the greatest extent possible: 52%
System dependent on dictatorship: 49%
Workers own and control their places of employment: 48%
Democratically-elected government: 46%

(LOL - what are they bitching about? We already got all that. I'm assuming they now want a Man of Steel and some gulags. Between woemen and the migrant hordes, this place is fucking toast. - AF)

What's next: "We've seen this pattern of behavior where women are turning out in higher numbers as voters and as candidates than we've ever seen. They're getting elected in higher numbers than before. They're pushing the conversation in different ways," Axios' Alexi McCammond noted on "Axios on HBO."

"They're looking for someone, a candidate on either side, who'll support this idea of a socialist country that they want to live in."
Methodology: This survey was conducted online within the United States by The Harris Poll on behalf of Axios from April 16-18, 2019 among 2,024 adults ages 18 and older.

This online survey is not based on a probability sample and therefore no estimate of theoretical sampling error can be calculated. Results are weighted for age within gender, region, race/ethnicity, household income, education, and size of household where necessary to align them with their actual proportions in the population using U.S census data.

Swordsmyth
06-11-2019, 05:49 PM
It's a propaganda poll but the trends it exaggerates are real.

Women never should have been given the vote.

nikcers
06-11-2019, 05:51 PM
Women want a free lunch? That explains why they always made me pay...

euphemia
06-11-2019, 05:55 PM
Unfortunately those women do not realize that they would not be a special, protected class. Socialism treats women as badly as it treats everyone else.

Working Poor
06-11-2019, 05:57 PM
I wonder what % of that 55% own their own business or live off of a man who does?

RJB
06-11-2019, 06:00 PM
Look at all the "independent" single mothers living off the government.

donnay
06-11-2019, 06:01 PM
I'm with the 45%. Whoo Hoo! I love the underdogs.

PAF
06-11-2019, 06:01 PM
Women want a free lunch? That explains why they always made me pay...

The easy way to overcome that is to think like a woman... think of it as a Private Contract between "two consenting adults" ;-)

PAF
06-11-2019, 06:05 PM
Look at all the "independent" single mothers living off the government.

That is my entire beef. In my experience, living in many areas across the country, while there may be "foreigners" who want a free lunch, the vast majority are American females who will shack up with anybody who is willing to "donate their services", in order to increase the monthly check. 3 or 4 fathers to 5 kids seems the norm. As I stated in another thread, any mention of a job will get you the middle finger and tell you to "f&uck off".

Anti Federalist
06-11-2019, 06:08 PM
Unfortunately those women do not realize that they would not be a special, protected class. Socialism treats women as badly as it treats everyone else.

Worse, actually...just look at Venezuela.

But try and convince these pinheads of that.

PAF
06-11-2019, 06:15 PM
A Harris poll for "Axios on HBO" finds that socialism is gaining popularity: 4 in 10 Americans say they would prefer living in a socialist country over a capitalist one.


I know quite a few woman who have views such as mine. But yes, this number is growing. It is a direct result of lack of education... Common Core, TV shows that promote and glamorize socialism, billboards, etc.

When taught what socialism really does, and real world examples of liberty and freedom are presented, along with accurate historical accounts of how socialism destroys, I think many folks would change their view.

IMO, this is what the r3VOLution is really about. But people got lazy, began taking on a statist view, believing that trump is a savior and that immigrants are the problem. It has not even been 10 short years since Ron Paul ran and people no longer talk about End the Fed, IRS, Central Banking, IMF, and other overwhelming important things. Everything is a compete and utter distraction which is why liberty is dying.

Anti Globalist
06-11-2019, 06:20 PM
Makes sense since more women are Democrats than Republicans.

Anti Federalist
06-11-2019, 06:21 PM
IMO, this is what the r3VOLution is really about. But people got lazy, began taking on a statist view, believing that trump is a savior and that immigrants are the problem. It has not even been 10 short years since Ron Paul ran and people no longer talk about End the Fed, IRS, Central Banking, IMF, and other overwhelming important things. Everything is a compete and utter distraction which is why liberty is dying.

Honestly, what makes you think I don't talk to people about that all the time?

I don't post about here, because, well, how much can you beat a dead horse?

After 12 years, you either understand or you don't.

I also give them the 9/11 speech, assuming they even remember what that was, which is surprisingly few anymore.

juleswin
06-11-2019, 06:28 PM
That makes sense, people with low IQ tend to support socialistic systems with very few exception. What is the solution to this problem? I say we repeal the suffrage laws instead of deporting them

PAF
06-11-2019, 06:32 PM
Honestly, what makes you think I don't talk to people about that all the time?

I don't post about here, because, well, how much can you beat a dead horse?

After 12 years, you either understand or you don't.

I also give them the 9/11 speech, assuming they even remember what that was, which is surprisingly few anymore.


I never said either way whether you do or don't. I was speaking in general terms, fully agree with your OP thread and simply commented why that is.

nikcers
06-11-2019, 06:33 PM
Makes sense since more women are Democrats than Republicans.

Isn't that because Clinton's campaign shamed women into voting for democrats in 2016 because not voting for Clinton was selling out to women? Or is this about abortion and women wanting abortion rights because they empathize with the mother over the baby because they look more like the mother?

euphemia
06-11-2019, 06:34 PM
Stop with the woman hating. Just cut it out. If you believe in liberty, everyone gets a vote.

PAF
06-11-2019, 06:37 PM
Stop with the woman hating. Just cut it out. If you believe in liberty, everyone gets a vote.

By "telling" people what to say and not say?

LOL ;-)

Swordsmyth
06-11-2019, 06:43 PM
Stop with the woman hating. Just cut it out. If you believe in liberty, everyone gets a vote.
If you believe in democracy everybody gets a vote.
If you believe in liberty you restrict some people from voting, women are one category that can reasonably be debated along with government workers and others.

nikcers
06-11-2019, 06:45 PM
If you believe in democracy everybody gets a vote.
If you believe in liberty you restrict some people from voting, women are one category that can reasonably be debated along with government workers and others.

I guess it makes it easy if you are with a woman who wants to vote democrat you can just stay home and its just the same as if no one voted.

euphemia
06-11-2019, 06:46 PM
I’m not sure what you men are afraid of. Women have had the vote for less than 100 years. Who screwed it up before then?

You all get way too wound up by surveys and polls. They are lies with numbers attached. Nobody knows what a majority of women think.

Swordsmyth
06-11-2019, 06:47 PM
I’m not sure what you men are afraid of. Women have had the vote for less than 100 years. Who screwed it up before then?

You all get way too wound up by surveys and polls. They are lies with numbers attached. Nobody knows what a majority of women think.

It wasn't nearly so screwed up before then, the last 100 or so years have been a disaster.

euphemia
06-11-2019, 06:49 PM
Nothing like a bunch of blame-shifting.

nikcers
06-11-2019, 06:51 PM
Stop with the woman hating. Just cut it out. If you believe in liberty, everyone gets a vote.

Sometimes voting can have conflicts of interest though like when congress votes to give themselves a pay raise. It's kind of like letting an illegal immigrant vote for a politician like slow joe to give them citizenship. All citizens should be able to vote for whoever they want though, anything else is kind of shitty.

nikcers
06-11-2019, 06:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BP1akIYj_FM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BP1akIYj_FM

PAF
06-11-2019, 06:54 PM
If you believe in democracy everybody gets a vote.
If you believe in liberty you restrict some people from voting, women are one category that can reasonably be debated along with government workers and others.


Here, I'll fix all of your errors.


If you believe in democracy everybody gets a vote.
If you believe in liberty you abide by contract rights.
women are one category that can reasonably not be understood - because they are women ;-)
government workers do not get a vote, for government is a creature that was created by man (and women).

specsaregood
06-11-2019, 06:59 PM
Stop with the woman hating. Just cut it out. If you believe in liberty, everyone gets a vote.

Almost with you; how about anybody paying more into govt than getting from govt gets a vote? My wife thought she was a socialist until she started earning a paycheck and having to take care of all of society's leeches. Now she votes for whomever I tell her to vote for.

Krugminator2
06-11-2019, 07:00 PM
Just to reiterate, women are mush brains who make the country poorer and less free by having the ability to vote. (excepting the .2% of women who voted for Ron Paul or are libertarians.)

Swordsmyth
06-11-2019, 07:03 PM
Almost with you; how about anybody paying more into govt than getting from govt gets a vote? My wife thought she was a socialist until she started earning a paycheck and having to take care of all of society's leeches. Now she votes for whomever I tell her to vote for.
I'd rather not allow anyone to vote who gets any money from government no matter how much they pay in taxes.

nikcers
06-11-2019, 07:03 PM
Just to reiterate, women are mush brains who make the country poorer and less free by having the ability to vote. (excepting the .2% of women who voted for Ron Paul or are libertarians.)

My girlfriend would take that as a compliment she was a libertarian before I knew what a libertarian was.

nikcers
06-11-2019, 07:10 PM
a third of woman are democrats a little less than a third of woman are republicans and more than a third of woman are independents (https://youtu.be/BP1akIYj_FM?t=64).

tod evans
06-11-2019, 07:15 PM
I'd rather not allow anyone to vote who gets any money from government no matter how much they pay in taxes.

I agree.

tod evans
06-11-2019, 07:17 PM
I’m not sure what you men are afraid of. Women have had the vote for less than 100 years. Who screwed it up before then?

You all get way too wound up by surveys and polls. They are lies with numbers attached. Nobody knows what a majority of women think.

Including the women themselves....

juleswin
06-11-2019, 07:18 PM
a third of woman are democrats a little less than a third of woman are republicans and more than a third of woman are independents (https://youtu.be/BP1akIYj_FM?t=64).

And what percentage of those independent women support socialism? the answer to that lies the problem.

Danke
06-11-2019, 07:19 PM
I’m not sure what you men are afraid of. Women have had the vote for less than 100 years. Who screwed it up before then?

You all get way too wound up by surveys and polls. They are lies with numbers attached. Nobody knows what a majority of women think.

Nothing wrong with women voting, as long as they consult their man first.

PAF
06-11-2019, 07:20 PM
Nothing wrong with women voting, as long as they consult their man first.

Todays men are yesterdays women.

nikcers
06-11-2019, 07:26 PM
And what percentage of those independent women support socialism? the answer to that lies the problem.
Women sort of got Trump elected

Clinton lost the votes of white women overall and struggled to win women voters without a college education in states that could have propelled her to victory.

TheTexan
06-11-2019, 07:34 PM
It wasn't nearly so screwed up before then, the last 100 or so years have been a disaster.

https://media.tenor.com/images/b88aaec19e0ceb4ca47c859f410f6908/tenor.png

eleganz
06-11-2019, 07:34 PM
Bernie really fkd this country up even more than I thought it could get fkd up. The begging for socialism is at new highs.

But I hope he wins the primary.

This country needs to make up its mind and stop flirting with socialism. Up or down vote once and for all and close the book forever on this BS.

r3volution 3.0
06-11-2019, 08:02 PM
According to the latest election results, ~99% of the electorate is rabidly anti-capitalist.

...though about half will insist they aren't.


https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_dDBCv4k4awU/S86ry-2r8bI/AAAAAAAAAdM/zjYDRPHdLHc/s1600/6a00d83451bb2969e20120a5c02dda970c-800wi.jpg

devil21
06-11-2019, 08:06 PM
Women in general fall prey to the emotional manipulation tactics more than men. Having said that, there's a lot of men that are just as easily emotionally manipulated. The difference is the tools used to manipulate. A picture of a suffering child will make the average woman support whatever they are told will make the child stop suffering. A picture of a soldier with a flag will make the average man support whatever they are told will Make America Great Again. So many easily emotionally manipulated people...


This country needs to make up its mind and stop flirting with socialism. Up or down vote once and for all and close the book forever on this BS.

That is the kinda funny part of all of this. We aren't flirting with socialism. It's here and it's been here for 90 years. Most people don't know it but the communist manifesto has already been enacted almost fully already, with the finishing touches in the works. Now, the implementors just want people to openly accept what's already been in place for a long time, but with more overt police state measures that accompany socialist policies. Social security? It's got "social" right in the title. Property ownership? That was abolished a long time ago. No one legally owns anything in this country. We are granted usage rights but that's it. Media and communication is fully controlled and what isn't is being stamped out as I write this. Private transportation is being phased out per Agenda 21 2030 mandates for autonomous cars and dense urban development. Politicians are fully controlled. Income tax and economic centralization...obvious...nuff said there. Inheritance abolition. Less and less is being passed down between generations lately as sky high elderly healthcare costs and things like reverse mortgages eat up all of what would be inherited.

Describes it pretty well:
http://laissez-fairerepublic.com/TenPlanks.html

tfurrh
06-11-2019, 08:14 PM
.2% of women are men

PursuePeace
06-11-2019, 08:16 PM
55% of women are morons.

euphemia
06-11-2019, 08:31 PM
And what percentage of those independent women support socialism? the answer to that lies the problem.

Who invented socialism?

juleswin
06-11-2019, 08:41 PM
According to the latest election results, ~99% of the electorate is rabidly anti-capitalist.

...though about half will insist they aren't.


https://3.bp.blogspot.com/_dDBCv4k4awU/S86ry-2r8bI/AAAAAAAAAdM/zjYDRPHdLHc/s1600/6a00d83451bb2969e20120a5c02dda970c-800wi.jpg

Rabidly? no way. I think about 30% of the country are rabidly socialist and the rest mildly socialist. One on hand they love and want to preserve their medicare and on the other hand resist universal healthcare. I don't think that makes one a rabid socialist

juleswin
06-11-2019, 08:43 PM
Who invented socialism?

Nobody invented it, it probably evolved with the times. But even if it was a man that invented it, it seems like it grew really popular with the female audience. Just saying

r3volution 3.0
06-11-2019, 08:43 PM
Rabidly? no way. I think about 30% of the country are rabidly socialist and the rest mildly socialist. One on hand they love and want to preserve their medicare and on the other hand resist universal healthcare. I don't think that makes one a rabid socialist

Agreed, that's why I said "anti-capitalist," which I meant as a looser term.

Strictly speaking, there are almost no socialists in the US.

There's no significant group in favor of total state ownership of everything.

Everyone (or that 99% anyway) is in favor of very large (and ever larger) government, but not actual socialism.

...yet, it's moving in that direction.

euphemia
06-11-2019, 08:49 PM
You all are really buying this 55% thing? The sample was 2000 people.

This online survey is not based on a probability sample and therefore no estimate of theoretical sampling error can be calculated. Results are weighted for age within gender, region, race/ethnicity, household income, education, and size of household where necessary to align them with their actual proportions in the population using U.S census data.

oyarde
06-11-2019, 09:00 PM
Bernie really fkd this country up even more than I thought it could get fkd up. The begging for socialism is at new highs.

But I hope he wins the primary.

This country needs to make up its mind and stop flirting with socialism. Up or down vote once and for all and close the book forever on this BS.

Yep . Time to see where the cards fall .

oyarde
06-11-2019, 09:02 PM
You all are really buying this 55% thing? The sample was 2000 people.

This online survey is not based on a probability sample and therefore no estimate of theoretical sampling error can be calculated. Results are weighted for age within gender, region, race/ethnicity, household income, education, and size of household where necessary to align them with their actual proportions in the population using U.S census data.

Personally I imagine it is more than 60 percent for females and about 50 percent for the population overall but none of that applies to the women here .

oyarde
06-11-2019, 09:10 PM
I wonder what % of that 55% own their own business or live off of a man who does?

Probably about none of them .

nikcers
06-11-2019, 09:15 PM
I think this has got to eat hillary the worst, Trump got more white women votes than bleach bitch.

Working Poor
06-11-2019, 09:39 PM
I think this has got to eat hillary the worst, Trump got more white women votes than bleach bitch.

https://images.app.goo.gl/ZPat3nvxaK2CrsDD8

juleswin
06-11-2019, 09:43 PM
Agreed, that's why I said "anti-capitalist," which I meant as a looser term.

Strictly speaking, there are almost no socialists in the US.

There's no significant group in favor of total state ownership of everything.

Everyone (or that 99% anyway) is in favor of very large (and ever larger) government, but not actual socialism.

...yet, it's moving in that direction.

This I agree with.

PierzStyx
06-11-2019, 09:46 PM
It's a propaganda poll but the trends it exaggerates are real.

Women never should have been given the vote.

No one should be allowed to vote. Voting is Socialism. If you believe in giving power to a centralize bureaucracy to steal the wealth from one group of people to be spent for the "benefit of the people/nation/volk" then you are engaging in socialism.

Swordsmyth
06-11-2019, 10:30 PM
No one should be allowed to vote. Voting is Socialism. If you believe in giving power to a centralize bureaucracy to steal the wealth from one group of people to be spent for the "benefit of the people/nation/volk" then you are engaging in socialism.
Government is required to protect the rights of individuals and it is much better to have a government in which people have a say by voting than one in which the rulers are not held responsible.

Pauls' Revere
06-11-2019, 11:11 PM
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2019/06/10/house-dems-want-to-give-themselves-a-raise-n2547841

California will soon make history as the state is set to become the first in the nation to give free healthcare to some illegal immigrants.

Gov. Gavin Newsom and Democrats in the state legislature reached an agreement to allow low-income individuals between the ages of 19 and 25 who are in the country illegally to be eligible for Medi-Cal, the state’s Medicaid program.

TheTexan
06-12-2019, 12:12 AM
Government is required to protect the rights of individuals

And what a Great job they do!

Anti Federalist
06-12-2019, 12:17 AM
Nobody knows what a majority of women think.

...

Anti Federalist
06-12-2019, 12:21 AM
You all are really buying this 55% thing? The sample was 2000 people.

This online survey is not based on a probability sample and therefore no estimate of theoretical sampling error can be calculated. Results are weighted for age within gender, region, race/ethnicity, household income, education, and size of household where necessary to align them with their actual proportions in the population using U.S census data.

Valid point, but I can pull up hundreds of others, of much higher accuracy, that show that women prefer more government than men do.

That's not a disputable fact.

So instead of getting angry at me for pointing out the obvious, perhaps some introspection, as a woman, into why this is so, is in order.

TheTexan
06-12-2019, 12:35 AM
Valid point, but I can pull up hundreds of others, of much higher accuracy, that show that women prefer more government than men do.

That's not a disputable fact.

So instead of getting angry at me for pointing out the obvious, perhaps some introspection, as a woman, into why this is so, is in order.

Its because life is easier for most women. They don't have to work as hard to have a good life, because they rely on men to provide for them to some degree or another.

Every woman in this country has at some point accepted free shit from men trying to get laid. Every. Single. One.

Swordsmyth
06-12-2019, 12:39 AM
Its because life is easier for most women. They don't have to work as hard to have a good life, because they rely on men to provide for them to some degree or another.

Every woman in this country has at some point accepted free $#@! from men trying to get laid. Every. Single. One.
It is a natural part of the female psyche to look to be cared for by someone stronger than them and it is far too easy to get them to look to government instead of a husband.

Suzanimal
06-12-2019, 04:25 AM
Its because life is easier for most women. They don't have to work as hard to have a good life, because they rely on men to provide for them to some degree or another.

Every woman in this country has at some point accepted free shit from men trying to get laid. Every. Single. One.

All true for me. Hell, I've made a living off accepting shit off men trying to get laid. :tears:

I've noticed women and men but women especially are being sold socialism in the press. If you google women in socialism, you get a ton of results about how great it is for women and if you google women in capitalism, you still get a bunch of articles about how great socialism is for for women. o_O WTF? We need more gynocentric laissez faire capitalism writers out there.

PAF
06-12-2019, 05:15 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bZmGtaqP68

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bZmGtaqP68

Ender
06-12-2019, 07:39 AM
Women in general fall prey to the emotional manipulation tactics more than men. Having said that, there's a lot of men that are just as easily emotionally manipulated. The difference is the tools used to manipulate. A picture of a suffering child will make the average woman support whatever they are told will make the child stop suffering. A picture of a soldier with a flag will make the average man support whatever they are told will Make America Great Again. So many easily emotionally manipulated people...



That is the kinda funny part of all of this. We aren't flirting with socialism. It's here and it's been here for 90 years. Most people don't know it but the communist manifesto has already been enacted almost fully already, with the finishing touches in the works. Now, the implementors just want people to openly accept what's already been in place for a long time, but with more overt police state measures that accompany socialist policies. Social security? It's got "social" right in the title. Property ownership? That was abolished a long time ago. No one legally owns anything in this country. We are granted usage rights but that's it. Media and communication is fully controlled and what isn't is being stamped out as I write this. Private transportation is being phased out per Agenda 21 2030 mandates for autonomous cars and dense urban development. Politicians are fully controlled. Income tax and economic centralization...obvious...nuff said there. Inheritance abolition. Less and less is being passed down between generations lately as sky high elderly healthcare costs and things like reverse mortgages eat up all of what would be inherited.

Describes it pretty well:
http://laissez-fairerepublic.com/TenPlanks.html

^^^THIS^^^

PAF
06-12-2019, 08:11 AM
Women in general fall prey to the emotional manipulation tactics more than men. Having said that, there's a lot of men that are just as easily emotionally manipulated. The difference is the tools used to manipulate. A picture of a suffering child will make the average woman support whatever they are told will make the child stop suffering. A picture of a soldier with a flag will make the average man support whatever they are told will Make America Great Again. So many easily emotionally manipulated people...



That is the kinda funny part of all of this. We aren't flirting with socialism. It's here and it's been here for 90 years. Most people don't know it but the communist manifesto has already been enacted almost fully already, with the finishing touches in the works. Now, the implementors just want people to openly accept what's already been in place for a long time, but with more overt police state measures that accompany socialist policies. Social security? It's got "social" right in the title. Property ownership? That was abolished a long time ago. No one legally owns anything in this country. We are granted usage rights but that's it. Media and communication is fully controlled and what isn't is being stamped out as I write this. Private transportation is being phased out per Agenda 21 2030 mandates for autonomous cars and dense urban development. Politicians are fully controlled. Income tax and economic centralization...obvious...nuff said there. Inheritance abolition. Less and less is being passed down between generations lately as sky high elderly healthcare costs and things like reverse mortgages eat up all of what would be inherited.

Describes it pretty well:
http://laissez-fairerepublic.com/TenPlanks.html


^^ This should be a THREAD of its own ^^ Would you be so kind?

devil21
06-12-2019, 09:58 AM
^^ This should be a THREAD of its own ^^ Would you be so kind?

I could probably write a tome on that topic, about how the legal system has been used to enact a practically fully Marxist society right under everyone's noses since the Civil War (which was purposely fomented for that exact reason). Americans spend a lot of time lying to themselves about just how socialist/communist/Marxist we already are and have been for a relatively long time. I'll throw up a quick thread starter for now and link it.

PAF
06-12-2019, 10:00 AM
I could probably write a tome on that topic, about how the legal system has been used to enact a practically fully Marxist society right under everyone's noses since the Civil War (which was purposely fomented for that exact reason). Americans spend a lot of time lying to themselves about just how socialist/communist/Marxist we already are and have been for a relatively long time. I'll throw up a quick thread starter for now and link it.


You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to devil21 again.

invisible
06-12-2019, 10:14 AM
Women in general fall prey to the emotional manipulation tactics more than men. Having said that, there's a lot of men that are just as easily emotionally manipulated. The difference is the tools used to manipulate. A picture of a suffering child will make the average woman support whatever they are told will make the child stop suffering. A picture of a soldier with a flag will make the average man support whatever they are told will Make America Great Again. So many easily emotionally manipulated people...



That is the kinda funny part of all of this. We aren't flirting with socialism. It's here and it's been here for 90 years. Most people don't know it but the communist manifesto has already been enacted almost fully already, with the finishing touches in the works. Now, the implementors just want people to openly accept what's already been in place for a long time, but with more overt police state measures that accompany socialist policies. Social security? It's got "social" right in the title. Property ownership? That was abolished a long time ago. No one legally owns anything in this country. We are granted usage rights but that's it. Media and communication is fully controlled and what isn't is being stamped out as I write this. Private transportation is being phased out per Agenda 21 2030 mandates for autonomous cars and dense urban development. Politicians are fully controlled. Income tax and economic centralization...obvious...nuff said there. Inheritance abolition. Less and less is being passed down between generations lately as sky high elderly healthcare costs and things like reverse mortgages eat up all of what would be inherited.

Describes it pretty well:
http://laissez-fairerepublic.com/TenPlanks.html

And of course, another excellent example of emotional manipulation is collectivist labelling and name calling. Calling everyone who disagrees with you a "socialist", "leftist", "communist", etc is an emotional manipulation used to suppress dissent. Always referring to immigrants as "invaders", "socialists", etc is an emotional manipulation used to attempt getting people to accept fear and hate. How often does this occur here on RPF? Who is attempting this sort of emotional manipulation here, and why?

devil21
06-12-2019, 10:16 AM
New thread is up, as requested.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?535579-Socialism-Are-we-flirting-with-it-or-is-it-already-here

jmdrake
06-12-2019, 01:12 PM
Makes sense since more women are Democrats than Republicans.

Freedom is the ability to kill your baby after it is born because his father is a rapist.

juleswin
06-12-2019, 01:19 PM
Freedom is the ability to kill your baby after it is born because his father is a rapist.

As opposed to killing living and independent innocent people because they threaten your "freedom". If I had to choose between people who wanna kill their own offspring and the people who wanna kill other people and destroy their property with bombs, I know who I'll choose.

jmdrake
06-12-2019, 01:25 PM
As opposed to killing living and independent innocent people because they threaten your "freedom". If I had to choose between people who wanna kill their own offspring and the people who wanna kill other people and destroy their property with bombs, I know who I'll choose.

You act like those are mutually exclusive groups. Newsflash. Hillary Clinton supported the New York post birth abortion law, the Iraq war, the ongoing Afghanistan war, the war/regime change in Libya and the attempted war/regime change in Syria.

juleswin
06-12-2019, 02:13 PM
You act like those are mutually exclusive groups. Newsflash. Hillary Clinton supported the New York post birth abortion law, the Iraq war, the ongoing Afghanistan war, the war/regime change in Libya and the attempted war/regime change in Syria.

But Hillary is not the typical liberal pro choice citizen. My guess is that most people who are pro choice are also against for example the Iraq war. This cannot be said for the majority of the pro life republicans who worship the military.

Swordsmyth
06-12-2019, 02:27 PM
But Hillary is not the typical liberal pro choice citizen. My guess is that most people who are pro choice are also against for example the Iraq war. This cannot be said for the majority of the pro life republicans who worship the military.

Respecting the military isn't the same as wanting to kill foreigners, Republicans have to be sold a bill of goods about terrorists or evil dictators or threats to Americans, Demoncrats want to kill children for the convenience.

I know which view of human life I find more evil.

Suzanimal
06-12-2019, 02:48 PM
As opposed to killing living and independent innocent people because they threaten your "freedom". If I had to choose between people who wanna kill their own offspring and the people who wanna kill other people and destroy their property with bombs, I know who I'll choose.

How about neither?:confused:

jmdrake
06-12-2019, 03:58 PM
But Hillary is not the typical liberal pro choice citizen. My guess is that most people who are pro choice are also against for example the Iraq war. This cannot be said for the majority of the pro life republicans who worship the military.

Key words "my guess is." In other words, you don't know. And I don't see the relevance of your point anyway. Correlation != causation. More Democrats were on board for Obama's regime change in Libya and Syria than were republicans. Democrats supported Bill Clinton's regime change war in Bosnia, for "humanitarian" reasons of course. Obama greatly expanded AFRICOM because....it's for the children. (Remember the Michelle Obama "bring back our girls" campaign?) And Jimmy Carter started secretly funding the mujahadeen in Afghanistan for the sole purpose of drawing the Soviet Union into a war it could not win. JFK and LBJ got us into Vietnam and Nixon got us out. Truman got us into Korea. Roosevelt's embargo of Japan let to the attack on Pearl Harbor. Woodrow Wilson's violation of neutrality was the incentive for the German U-boat attacks that got us into World War I. And the unfair treatment of Germany in the treaty of Versailles set the stage for the rise of national socialist Adolf Hitler. (Yes Hitler was actually socialist. It was Mussolini who was the fascist.) So no. I don't accept as true your assertion that Republicans are more likely to bomb people for no good reason than are democrats. It was my realization of this truth that caused me to leave the democratic party.

jmdrake
06-12-2019, 04:00 PM
Respecting the military isn't the same as wanting to kill foreigners, Republicans have to be sold a bill of goods about terrorists or evil dictators or threats to Americans, Demoncrats want to kill children for the convenience.

I know which view of human life I find more evil.

Democrats are just as likely to bomb innocent people to stop "evil dictators" as are Republicans. The murder of Qaddafi happened under Obama's watch at at the insistence of Hillary Clinton.

Swordsmyth
06-12-2019, 04:02 PM
Democrats are just as likely to bomb innocent people to stop "evil dictators" as are Republicans. The murder of Qaddafi happened under Obama's watch at at the insistence of Hillary Clinton.
Just as likely or more likely.

eleganz
06-12-2019, 09:25 PM
Despite some arguments here that America is already a socialist country, which do have some valid points, the essential pillars of socialism have not been executed yet.

Total welfare : possible
Forced social ownership of private companies : won't happen

But with all of the active censorship occurring in social media of conservative personalities going on, it appears the left is terrified of the "other side" of America learning the truth.

PierzStyx
07-08-2019, 01:08 AM
Government is required to protect the rights of individuals and it is much better to have a government in which people have a say by voting than one in which the rulers are not held responsible.

All "government" does is violate the rights of the individual. None of the rulers are ever held responsible. "Government" exists to make it as hard as possible to hold any of the sociopaths in power to account. The most prolific mass murders in history have held the Presidential chair to general acclaim. Your "say" is meaningless.

PierzStyx
07-08-2019, 01:09 AM
Despite some arguments here that America is already a socialist country, which do have some valid points, the essential pillars of socialism have not been executed yet.

Total welfare : possible
Forced social ownership of private companies : won't happen

But with all of the active censorship occurring in social media of conservative personalities going on, it appears the left is terrified of the "other side" of America learning the truth.

Most "conservatives" are socialist-lite, at best. What was it Reagan called himself? A New Deal Democrat? That means a disciple of the socialist FDR. And Reagan's followers have been even worse.

PierzStyx
07-08-2019, 01:11 AM
Democrats are just as likely to bomb innocent people to stop "evil dictators" as are Republicans. The murder of Qaddafi happened under Obama's watch at at the insistence of Hillary Clinton.

There is no difference between the parties.

Swordsmyth
07-08-2019, 01:13 AM
All "government" does is violate the rights of the individual. None of the rulers are ever held responsible. "Government" exists to make it as hard as possible to hold any of the sociopaths in power to account. The most prolific mass murders in history have held the Presidential chair to general acclaim. Your "say" is meaningless.
You will always have sociopaths and they will create governments designed to facilitate their depredations if good people don't create governments designed to restrain them.

Swordsmyth
07-08-2019, 01:15 AM
There is no difference between the parties.
That's a fallacy designed to get people to allow the worst people to take power.

That seems to be what everything you say is designed to facilitate.

PierzStyx
07-08-2019, 01:22 AM
But Hillary is not the typical liberal pro choice citizen. My guess is that most people who are pro choice are also against for example the Iraq war. This cannot be said for the majority of the pro life republicans who worship the military.

What people say is meaningless compared to what they do. They aren't against wars, just Republicans.

PierzStyx
07-08-2019, 01:24 AM
You will always have sociopaths and they will create governments designed to facilitate their depredations if good people don't create governments designed to restrain them.

No good person would ever seek such power and if they did would never be elected. Government exists to rob, maim, rape, and murder. It is its entire purpose. Government exists to eliminate the restraints on individuals that prevents them from raping, maiming, robbing, and murdering others.

timosman
07-08-2019, 01:25 AM
There is no difference between the parties.

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/74911844/i-am-sorry-i-am-just-an-ass.jpg

PierzStyx
07-08-2019, 01:28 AM
That's a fallacy designed to get people to allow the worst people to take power.

That seems to be what everything you say is designed to facilitate.

A system designed to allow people to "take power" is the worst system designed.

The worst people are those who want the office. If the system is designed to get them into office it is therefore the worst system designed.

There are no differences between the parties. None of them are pro-life, pro-liberty, pro-markets, pro-freedom, pro-humanity. They all are power hungry warmongering authoritarian sociopaths.

PierzStyx
07-08-2019, 01:28 AM
https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/74911844/i-am-sorry-i-am-just-an-ass.jpg

You sure are timosman, you sure are.

timosman
07-08-2019, 01:30 AM
No good perosn would ever seek such power and if they did would never be elected. Government exists to rob, maim, rape, and murder. It is its entire purpose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wrPJNrNriA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wrPJNrNriA

Swordsmyth
07-08-2019, 01:31 AM
No good perosn would ever seek such power and if they did would never be elected. Government exists to rob, maim, rape, and murder. It is its entire purpose.
Many good people would seek the power to protect the rights of their fellow citizens and many corrupt people who weren't sociopaths would seek the power and do a better job of respecting the rights of their citizens than the sociopaths in order keep the power.

You are jumping the shark, the correct purpose of government is to protect the rights of men, that is why it was created by many societies and that is the purpose GOD has endorsed it for.

timosman
07-08-2019, 01:32 AM
Many good people would seek the power to protect the rights of their fellow citizens and many corrupt people who weren't sociopaths would seek the power and do a better job of respecting the rights of their citizens than the sociopaths in order keep the power.

You are jumping the shark, the correct purpose of government is to protect the rights of men, that is why it was created by many societies and that is the purpose GOD has endorsed it for.

Styx gets off when people listen to his gospel of doom. :tears:

Swordsmyth
07-08-2019, 01:33 AM
A system designed to allow people to "take power" is the worst system designed.

The worst people are those who want the office. If the system is designed to get them into office it is therefore the worst system designed.

There are no differences between the parties. None of them are pro-life, pro-liberty, pro-markets, pro-freedom, pro-humanity. They all are power hungry warmongering authoritarian sociopaths.
A power vacuum will facilitate the worst people taking power and that is your goal, there are vast differences between parties and you want the worst people to win.

Swordsmyth
07-08-2019, 01:33 AM
Styx gets off when people listen to his gospel of doom. :tears:
Unfortunately nobody ever does.

TheTexan
07-08-2019, 01:43 AM
there are vast differences between parties

The difference is huge.

The democrats want to keep taxes at roughly ~50% of everything earned with a small minority of democrats wanting to increase taxes closer to 52%

The republicans want to cut taxes from 50% to 48% and add 2-4% in tariffs to cover the difference, and a small minority of Republicans want to cut tariffs from 2-4% to 1-2%

TheTexan
07-08-2019, 01:45 AM
Many good people would seek the power to protect the rights of their fellow citizens and many corrupt people who weren't sociopaths would seek the power and do a better job of respecting the rights of their citizens than the sociopaths in order keep the power.

If only this country had more people like Trump willing to run for office, this country would be in Great shape

ThePaleoLibertarian
07-08-2019, 01:50 AM
The 19th Amendment was, and remains, an abomination.

Anti Federalist
07-08-2019, 04:15 AM
All "government" does is violate the rights of the individual. None of the rulers are ever held responsible. "Government" exists to make it as hard as possible to hold any of the sociopaths in power to account. The most prolific mass murders in history have held the Presidential chair to general acclaim. Your "say" is meaningless.

So Thomas Jefferson was full of shit then?

Anti Federalist
07-08-2019, 04:17 AM
There is no difference between the parties.

At the federal level you may have a point.

At the state level you are demonstrably wrong.

ThePaleoLibertarian
07-08-2019, 04:25 AM
There is no difference between the parties.
This has become a totally untenable position.

Swordsmyth
07-08-2019, 04:38 PM
At the federal level you may have a point.

At the state level you are demonstrably wrong.
He's demonstrably wrong at the federal level too, the difference is just smaller. (But it has grown recently and it is far more than a dime's worth)

devil21
07-08-2019, 10:51 PM
This has become a totally untenable position.

Really? Assuming I'm understanding your comment correctly, you don't think it's important that neither party at any level so much as acknowledges Agenda 21 2030? Not a peep from anyone, ever. GOP or Democrat. And the closest even a Dem comes is the new fad label "Green New Deal". When it's the UN pushing major changes down the pipe and no one from either party says a word, don't you think it's fair to say that there's no difference? It's, like, only the biggest, most coordinated societal change in history...

I don't know where you live but if it's not around a major city then you probably don't see much of it yet. The entire political class' silence is deafening to those of us that are watching it being implemented in real-time around us and always under false pretenses.

AngryCanadian
07-08-2019, 11:16 PM
The difference is huge.

The democrats want to keep taxes at roughly ~50% of everything earned with a small minority of democrats wanting to increase taxes closer to 52%

The republicans want to cut taxes from 50% to 48% and add 2-4% in tariffs to cover the difference, and a small minority of Republicans want to cut tariffs from 2-4% to 1-2%
I am sure the democrats would love some Carbon Tax on the stupid.

jct74
07-08-2019, 11:25 PM
Women never should have been given the vote.

How about the blacks? What is your opinion on black people being allowed to vote?

Swordsmyth
07-08-2019, 11:34 PM
How about the blacks? What is your opinion on black people being allowed to vote?
I see no reason to discriminate based on race.

Is this some kind of test?
Is someone trying to get me banned?

I have made my position on race neutrality clear and have even argued with some members who think it makes a significant difference.

Swordsmyth
07-08-2019, 11:35 PM
The 19th Amendment was, and remains, an abomination.


How about the blacks? What is your opinion on black people being allowed to vote?
Why am I being singled out for interrogation?

kcchiefs6465
07-08-2019, 11:40 PM
55% of the liberty movement prefers socialism too.

TheTexan
07-09-2019, 12:07 AM
America is the land of the free, there will never be socialism here :cool:

Swordsmyth
07-09-2019, 12:16 AM
How about the blacks? What is your opinion on black people being allowed to vote?
There are significant innate psychological and brain reasons that women tend towards big government no matter what culture they come from, there is nothing about race that is the same and if I was wrong filtering immigration based on culture would take care of it.

Suzanimal
07-09-2019, 12:35 AM
Don't worry, I don't vote. :)

Swordsmyth
07-09-2019, 12:38 AM
Don't worry, I don't vote. :)

As long as women get to vote I'd prefer it if you did in order to cancel out some leftist woman's vote.
TheTexan

TheTexan
07-09-2019, 12:42 AM
As long as women get to vote I'd prefer it if you did in order to cancel out some leftist woman's vote.
TheTexan

Allowing it for her sets a bad example for the others.

Swordsmyth
07-09-2019, 12:45 AM
Allowing it for her sets a bad example for the others.
At last the Texican doesn't want some people to vote.

What about blacks?:sarcasm:

TheTexan
07-09-2019, 12:55 AM
At last the Texican doesn't want some people to vote.

Women shouldn't vote unless told to by their husbands. Suzanimal just shouldnt vote period because I dont think Mr A has her on a tight enough leash.


What about blacks?:sarcasm:

What's with the interrogation? Just because most black people are drug dealers and shouldn't be voting, doesn't make me a racist.

timosman
07-09-2019, 01:05 AM
Why am I being singled out for interrogation?

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/56417219/every-dog-has-its-day.jpg

Swordsmyth
07-09-2019, 01:13 AM
https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/56417219/every-dog-has-its-day.jpg

https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse4.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP. MKamPS1zgv0Ru8h7t1fVNwHaFE%26pid%3DApi&f=1

Suzanimal
07-09-2019, 01:38 AM
As long as women get to vote I'd prefer it if you did in order to cancel out some leftist woman's vote.
TheTexan

Nah, it's cool. You can have my 19th Amendment, I'm not using it. I plan on just staying home and canceling out a leftist who couldn't find a ride to the poll or get an ID.



Allowing it for her sets a bad example for the others.

I agree. I wouldn't want to set a bad example for any ladies out there.

I recently picked up a purse at the thrift store to resell and was amused to find a bunch of GA Voter stickers. Some chick with great taste in handbags was voting very hard.


Women shouldn't vote unless told to by their husbands. Suzanimal just shouldnt vote period because I dont think Mr A has her on a tight enough leash.

Mr A isn't into leashes. Besides, he's a real man. He votes hard enough for both of us and even wears his sticker.

Anti Globalist
07-09-2019, 07:52 AM
Well I need to find myself a woman who isn't part of the 55% who prefers socialism.