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kimosabi
07-03-2007, 02:21 AM
As you may have noticed, I am an Australian, and the Ron Paul message has struck such a cord with me that I will be working to start a system of retaking control of Australia's power centres, based on Ron Pauls Values of Freedom and Liberty along with the Promotion of Sound Money and Small Government.

Now the only way we can stop this Totalitarian Cancer that is threatening us all, is that we all have to become Replica's of Ron Paul.

So not only do we have to support Ron Paul, we should also be organising ourselves to regain Control of the Power Centres within Society.

Now the basis of this was taken from the Freedom Force International website which was started by G. Edward Griffins has already laid out the pillars for taking control the Power Centres back from the NWO.

http://www.freedomforceinternational.org/

Also, please check out his speech, "An Idea whose Time has come" ==> http://www.freedomforceinternational.org/videos/video.cfm?&player=An_Idea_Whose_Time_Has_Come which lays out how structure ourselves organisationally to resist this tyranny that is decending onto all of us throughout the world.

As he says "Don't fight city hall when you can BE city hall."

So not only do we need support Ron Paul, but we need a contigency for the unthinkable if Ron Paul doesn't get elected as President.

The best place to start this campaign to "Retake City Hall" is within each of the Ron Paul Meetup groups, not just in the USA but around the World.

We really don't have much time.

Thank You



Kimosabi

wizardwatson
07-03-2007, 08:22 AM
I've been in this frame of mind for a few weeks now. I'm wondering how we can solidify this into a real worldwide movement.

Project Eternal Vigilance:

A permanent ongoing, decentralized global network of individuals organized for the purpose of promoting freedom and individual liberty. This act itself will draw the venom of tyranny from our planet and its people.

Noodles
07-03-2007, 08:25 AM
I'm glad to see this thread. We do need to create a permanent movement. This is the time.

wizardwatson
07-03-2007, 08:30 AM
I believe the future of money will look something like this:

http://ripple.sourceforge.net/index.html

I believe the future of identification will look like this:

http://openid.net/

Here is a google group of people that are currently working on alternative currency software that can be decentralized and potentially used globally, and will allow people from any country to make transactions across currencies.

http://groups.google.com/group/rippleusers?hl=en

Here is a link to a page within that group that has bunches of links to alternative currency ideas and implementations.

http://groups.google.com/group/rippleusers/web/money-rest-and-alternative-currency-related-links?hl=en

I was working on a program that was to be the framework for my asset backed alternative currency system in all the spare time I had before this Ron Paul thing swept me up. I'm trying to get more organized to where I can help RP and work on my main project some more.

wizardwatson
07-03-2007, 08:32 AM
Mostly geek stuff, but all of it is learnable by anyone with the time and inclination. We need more people who understand exactly what money is, in an IT framework, and I believe OpenID is a technology that can be leveraged and combined with a global decentralized currency system, to speed this whole process along.

Anyway, all nerds and computer geeks should check it out, and join the group if you are a software developer that would like to get involved.

beermotor
07-03-2007, 08:35 AM
Very interesting ideas - but don't you still have to have physical money and storage somewhere?

Dojo
07-03-2007, 08:36 AM
RON-PAULITICS going worldwide :)

DjLoTi
07-03-2007, 08:36 AM
I have friends in Europe who are young and cultured. :P

If Ron Paul wins, there will be a natural progression worldwide ( or at least in Europe ) where the citizens regain their rights and the governments stop being so oppressive and controlling. I promise you. :)

Gee
07-03-2007, 09:03 AM
I was working on a program that was to be the framework for my asset backed alternative currency system in all the spare time I had before this Ron Paul thing swept me up. I'm trying to get more organized to where I can help RP and work on my main project some more.
What sort of backing were you thinking of? I've been giving it some thought myself. The idea of using commodity indexes as currency appeals to me, but then transactions would be centralized on the index's market. I didn't see this as a bad thing, given the fact that in a free market, you'd have multiple competing commodity markets.

Bob Cochran
07-03-2007, 09:08 AM
Very interesting ideas - but don't you still have to have physical money and storage somewhere?

Not at all. Look at the world's current fractional reserve banking. Most money now is electronic numbers in electronically represented accounts. The US gov't, for one, simply produces "money" out of thin air. There is no backing by gold or anything else.

Such a system is a house of cards and is doomed to fall apart, it's only a question of when.

wizardwatson
07-03-2007, 09:19 AM
What sort of backing were you thinking of? I've been giving it some thought myself. The idea of using commodity indexes as currency appeals to me, but then transactions would be centralized on the index's market. I didn't see this as a bad thing, given the fact that in a free market, you'd have multiple competing commodity markets.


I'm interested personally in land-backed currency. Specifically because I see it as a primary mechanism for deflating FRN's out of our local economy. In summary, equity in land property is traded "as" the currency, much the same way gold and silver are supposed to be under the constitution. We use bank mortgaged property as the sink thereby freeing our local economies from over burdensome bankers and the loan interest is then reinvested locally. This is maybe oversimplified, but you can look at my posts in the Google Group referenced above and get a more detailed explanation.

Anyway, that's my preference, and only so because I believe it would doubly serve as a means to directly combat the FRN system. But in theory you could use any thing/asset to back the currency, and if you can grasp what Ryan Fugger has designed (creator of the Ripple System) then you realize that an individual can back his own money with whatever he wants and still be able to transact with someone else who wants his money backed by gold, silver, chickens, guano, etc.


Very interesting ideas - but don't you still have to have physical money and storage somewhere?

In the decentralized network, you must hold some asset, or have rights to some asset via a contract, that is accepted as payment by the payment intermediaries between you and the payee. That is all. It is my guess, that the nature of the thing will cause the most traversed intermediaries to be asset holding LLC's backed by land, gold, and silver.

But the user of the money (owner of the asset) does not have to hold it himself. And the asset reserves are decentralized and belong neither to one company or one government.

wizardwatson
07-03-2007, 09:32 AM
As you may have noticed, I am an Australian, and the Ron Paul message has struck such a cord with me that I will be working to start a system of retaking control of Australia's power centres, based on Ron Pauls Values of Freedom and Liberty along with the Promotion of Sound Money and Small Government.

Now the only way we can stop this Totalitarian Cancer that is threatening us all, is that we all have to become Replica's of Ron Paul.

So not only do we have to support Ron Paul, we should also be organising ourselves to regain Control of the Power Centres within Society.

Now the basis of this was taken from the Freedom Force International website which was started by G. Edward Griffins has already laid out the pillars for taking control the Power Centres back from the NWO.

http://www.freedomforceinternational.org/

Also, please check out his speech, "An Idea whose Time has come" ==> http://www.freedomforceinternational.org/videos/video.cfm?&player=An_Idea_Whose_Time_Has_Come which lays out how structure ourselves organisationally to resist this tyranny that is decending onto all of us throughout the world.

As he says "Don't fight city hall when you can BE city hall."

So not only do we need support Ron Paul, but we need a contigency for the unthinkable if Ron Paul doesn't get elected as President.

The best place to start this campaign to "Retake City Hall" is within each of the Ron Paul Meetup groups, not just in the USA but around the World.

We really don't have much time.

Thank You



Kimosabi

One of my main ideas as far as the Meetup's go is to start a group using one of my other 2 free credits in another country. Like Baghdad, or some other place where there are foreigners as well as many Americans stationed.

Because this message, the message of the founding fathers is truly universal.

Highmesa
07-03-2007, 09:34 AM
There is a revolution coming in money and the only thing that will stop it is if the governments of the world put their foot down on it to stop the deterioration of their fiat currencies.

e-gold, pecunix, e-cache, loom gold, etc. - these things already exist outside the conventional banking industry. There are even ATM cards now (albeit expensive) that you can use anywhere in the world, and the conversion to the local currency is instant. You can hold commidity back currencies without ever have to touch bank notes. These things are somewhat expensive for the average Joe right now, but as they become more popular, the prices and fees will come down.

It's a New World Order of a different kind - one without socialist control.

ARealConservative
07-03-2007, 09:35 AM
The Global Liberation Council. ;)

SeekLiberty
07-03-2007, 09:36 AM
As you may have noticed, I am an Australian, and the Ron Paul message has struck such a cord with me that I will be working to start a system of retaking control of Australia's power centres, based on Ron Pauls Values of Freedom and Liberty along with the Promotion of Sound Money and Small Government.

Now the only way we can stop this Totalitarian Cancer that is threatening us all, is that we all have to become Replica's of Ron Paul.

So not only do we have to support Ron Paul, we should also be organising ourselves to regain Control of the Power Centres within Society.

Now the basis of this was taken from the Freedom Force International website which was started by G. Edward Griffins has already laid out the pillars for taking control the Power Centres back from the NWO.

http://www.freedomforceinternational.org/

Also, please check out his speech, "An Idea whose Time has come" ==> http://www.freedomforceinternational.org/videos/video.cfm?&player=An_Idea_Whose_Time_Has_Come which lays out how structure ourselves organisationally to resist this tyranny that is decending onto all of us throughout the world.

As he says "Don't fight city hall when you can BE city hall."

So not only do we need support Ron Paul, but we need a contigency for the unthinkable if Ron Paul doesn't get elected as President.

The best place to start this campaign to "Retake City Hall" is within each of the Ron Paul Meetup groups, not just in the USA but around the World.

We really don't have much time.

Thank You

Kimosabi

Thank you for posting this. You're right, we emphatically don't have much time!

Yes, not only is a contigency plan a well-informed idea but an absolute necessity!

WE THE PEOPLE need to take permanent Citizen action so our government servants can never, ever attempt to and fool WE THE PEOPLE into their domination.

In America, our Constitution was set up by WE THE PEOPLE ... BY, OF, and FOR The People. WE ARE the Government. That means, WE'RE the BOSS. That's why we call it "self-government.

However, our public servants have "forgotten" about this. So they need a big FAT reminder! :D

G. Edward Griffin is the famous author of "The Creature from Jekyll Island : A Second Look at the Federal Reserve", and the founder of Freedom Force. This is a great organization that everybody should support.

In addition to that, renown Constitutional scholar, Edwin Vieira, Jr, has written a new masterpiece which is a step-by-step ACTION PLAN on how to take back control of our Republic ... in spite of what happens at the ballot box. This new release is called "Constitutional Homeland Security."

It's the only correct, right and proper Constitutional path for WE THE PEOPLE to each take individual responsibility to GUARANTEE we will restore our American Republic without counting on our elected public servants to do it (which Congress has proven they'll never do).

Here's the link: http://www.amazon.com/Constitutional-Homeland-Security-Americans-Revitalize/dp/0967175925/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-8267830-3940011?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1183447348&sr=8-1 (No, it's not an affiliate link, lol.)

A president cannot restore our Constitution by himself. WE THE PEOPLE must show Congress how serious we are about this.

If you really care about Liberty, read and DO Edwin's masterplan for Americans.

I'm glad to hear the message of Liberty, from master statesman Ron Paul, is now "infecting" the world. Now THAT's an "infection" I'd love our planet to have! :)

The world population, in general, I believe is tired of the 4% psychopaths, with no conscience, dominating our mother Earth. It's time Freedom reigned around the globe instead of the globalist-elite collectivist' agenda.

- SL

PS: I'm not that familiar with all the official options of check and balances on Australian government. In America, they were clearly laid out in our Constitution. A big check and balance which has been ignored by generations is our State Militia. It was meant to be a Constitutional check and balance of last resort against tyranny both foreign or domestic. The fact that it existed at one time held a check on government servants by its very existence.

The We The People Foundation, another great organization, has repeatedly, over and over, petitioned our federal government since 1999 without any proper response. What is happening today is a REPEAT of what happened in the 1770's.

As a friendly reminder, I'd like to encourage all Americans to read our Declaration of Independence and reflect WHY we celebrate this tomorrow's coming Independence Day (not the toned down political name "July 4th").

wizardwatson
07-03-2007, 09:46 AM
There is a revolution coming in money and the only thing that will stop it is if the governments of the world put their foot down on it to stop the deterioration of their fiat currencies.

e-gold, pecunix, e-cache, loom gold, etc. - these things already exist outside the conventional banking industry. There are even ATM cards now (albeit expensive) that you can use anywhere in the world, and the conversion to the local currency is instant. You can hold commidity back currencies without ever have to touch bank notes. These things are somewhat expensive for the average Joe right now, but as they become more popular, the prices and fees will come down.

It's a New World Order of a different kind - one without socialist control.

There are already mechanisms in place, ironically, used by almost all medium and large sized companies in order to save money, which can be used to circumvent entirely the banking industry. It is the gift card system. I wrote a rather long piece here about it, in the context of 'how' to implement an alternative currency system on a wider basis without overhauling the point of sale systems for retailers:

http://groups.google.com/group/rippleusers/browse_thread/thread/663a51c732198a62/9cd02539b6de46c8?hl=en#9cd02539b6de46c8

A real world example of this happening right now is www.tradebanktopeka.com

Although I think tradebank is a rip-off because they have 12% transaction fees (yes T-W-E-L-V-E %) they are using a version of this model. For instance, Spangles (a regional restaurant chain) won't accept the local currency directly, but through a broker you can buy a Spangles gift card. Now K-Mart and other bigger chains actually sell prepaid Visa/Mastercard cards. If they could be folded into this model, we would have a direct mechanism to push FRN's out of the system.

Anyway, I've been thinking about how to do this for about a year and a half now, and I really believe this knowledge of how to do these things, and how relatively simple they are will spread fast, and will be a real threat to the attempts to control money supplies, and the monetary system in general.

Gee
07-03-2007, 10:00 AM
Anyway, that's my preference, and only so because I believe it would doubly serve as a means to directly combat the FRN system. But in theory you could use any thing/asset to back the currency, and if you can grasp what Ryan Fugger has designed (creator of the Ripple System) then you realize that an individual can back his own money with whatever he wants and still be able to transact with someone else who wants his money backed by gold, silver, chickens, guano, etc.
The Ripple idea is VERY interesting... I've always thought in a world of purely digital currency, fiat money could never survive. But with the idea of fiat money simply being IOUs without a central force backing it up, I guess it could. You're right, Ripple could easily be the future of currency.

Ugh, its written in Python... I wonder if its worth learning that language to help out with it, heh...

wizardwatson
07-03-2007, 10:09 AM
Ugh, its written in Python... I wonder if its worth learning that language to help out with it, heh...

My program which I'm trying to get going, is going to be a streamlined prototype that is essentially based on the Ripple system and the login infrastructure will be OpenID enabled, and designed to be highly deployable. It is being written in Coldfusion. But I'm building it in the REST architectural style so that it can be easily ported to any platform like PHP, ASP, etc. should it take off.

And I'm trying to keep it as small as possible. Hopefully it won't be more than about 10,000 lines for the framework, and 5000 lines for the money system itself.

Gee
07-03-2007, 10:32 AM
Is OpenID widely used? I hadn't heard of it before you mentioned it. I'm glad to see it has Java libraries available, as I'm working on a market-based application in Java (mostly because my university is very Java-oriented), and I might need to use something like OpenId.

My application is made up of a number of (virtual) markets, each with their own "currency". Somehow I need to arrive on the "exchange rates" between each market's currency. I'm wondering if something similar to Ripple could help with this (I'm very new to economics)... Obviously I'm not talking about real markets here, but something similar which exploits the decentralized ability of markets to find the value of anything traded.

kimosabi
07-03-2007, 10:44 AM
WE THE PEOPLE need to take permanent Citizen action so our government servants can never, ever attempt to and fool WE THE PEOPLE into their domination.

In America, our Constitution was set up by WE THE PEOPLE ... BY, OF, and FOR The People. WE ARE the Government. That means, WE'RE the BOSS. That's why we call it "self-government.

However, our public servants have "forgotten" about this. So they need a big FAT reminder! :D

It's the only correct, right and proper Constitutional path for WE THE PEOPLE to each take individual responsibility to GUARANTEE we will restore our American Republic without counting on our elected public servants to do it (which Congress has proven they'll never do).

A president cannot restore our Constitution by himself. WE THE PEOPLE must show Congress how serious we are about this.

I think we need to go one step further, and this is what G. Edward Griffins recommends:

- WE HAVE TO BECOME CONGRESS
- WE HAVE TO BECOME THE SENATE
- WE HAVE TO BECOME TOWN HALL

It is only when we hold positions of power within the community, that we can make a real difference.

We need people to volunteer or to identify, encourage and support the potential leaders within the Ron Paul Supporter Base, and these people need to Run for Congress, the Senate and Town Hall, etc.

Imagine the Revolution in American Politics, if all these Ron Paul Replica's start appearing throughout the land in positions of power.

Imagine the Revolution throughout the World, if Ron Paul Replica's started appearing throughout the World in positions of Power.

Supporting Ron Paul is only half of this Revolution. The other half of this Revolution is becoming like Ron Paul, spreading his message and taking our Freedom's, Liberty's, Country's and the World back from those that want to enslave us all.

wizardwatson
07-03-2007, 10:46 AM
Is OpenID widely used? I hadn't heard of it before you mentioned it. I'm glad to see it has Java libraries available, as I'm working on a market-based application in Java (mostly because my university is very Java-oriented), and I might need to use something like OpenId.

My application is made up of a number of (virtual) markets, each with their own "currency". Somehow I need to arrive on the "exchange rates" between each market's currency. I'm wondering if something similar to Ripple could help with this (I'm very new to economics)... Obviously I'm not talking about real markets here, but something similar which exploits the decentralized ability of markets to find the value of anything traded.

OpenID is fairly new but is in use by about 700 websites, and is said to be growing by about 7% per month. What is more significant though is that AOL and Microsoft are backing the technology, which is good news since they are backing something which by its nature cannot be centrally controlled by either of them. I think the realization that 1. We need a single sign-on technology now and 2. No one company is ever going to control whatever technology that is (and that isn't even desirable) is finally dawning on even the large companies.

Here's a list of websites that support OpenID currently:

https://www.myopenid.com/directory

wizardwatson
07-03-2007, 10:48 AM
In fact, every AOL user already has an OpenID from AOL if they want to use it. I believe it is,

openid.aol.com/[yourAOLuserid]

This goes for anyone who has an AIM account as well. This is indicative of how fast any consumer website can exploit the userbase of OpenID should they build there websites to where they can use the OpenID infrastructure. AOL has millions of users. And now you don't need to design a specific login for your application if you just use OpenID, you only need to build the interface to the OpenID system.

This also makes it less of a time investment for new and potential users to test out your website services. They don't need to re-register with every single website when maybe all they want to do is leave a comment, or try out a service real quick. Many potential users of web services pass up leaving comments or interacting just because of the sign-up overhead involved.

Here's a video about OpenID for those of you who hate to read:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9VAeegN_W8