TSA Says: Illegal Immigrants Allowed To Fly Without Any Photo ID

[Origanalist]

A new report says. the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) has been allowing illegal immigrants to fly without providing any forms of identification.

Since December 2018, TSA has permitted illegal immigrants released from custody to board domestic flights without having any of 15 forms of identification typically required for airline travel, the Washington Examiner reported exclusively on Thursday.

A TSA spokesperson told the Washington Examiner that illegal immigrants could fly without identification as long as they provided Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Form I-862, the “Notice to Appear” form that is provided to immigrants who have applied for asylum, passed a credible fear assessment, and could wait up to five years for a federal judge to decide their case.

The form can serve as identification because it is only issued after a background check has been conducted on the applicant while in federal custody, the spokesperson noted.

The TSA’s website lists 15 forms of identification acceptable to travel, which are:

Driver’s licenses or other state photo identity cards issued by Department of Motor Vehicles (or equivalent)
U.S. passport
U.S. passport card
DHS trusted traveler cards (Global Entry, NEXUS, SENTRI, FAST)
U.S. Department of Defense ID, including IDs issued to dependents
Permanent resident card
Border crossing card
DHS-designated enhanced driver’s license
Federally recognized, tribal-issued photo ID
HSPD-12 PIV card
Foreign government-issued passport
Canadian provincial driver’s license or Indian and Northern Affairs Canada card
Transportation worker identification credential
U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services Employment Authorization Card (I-766)
U.S. Merchant Mariner Credential
However, form I-862 is not listed as an acceptable form of identification, and it isn’t provided until 180 days after approval of a credible fear claim.

A U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) official told the Washington Examiner that Form I-862’s sole purpose is to tell applicants when to appear in court, and it cannot authorize applicants to travel.

“TSA accepts identification documentation issued by other government agencies, which is validated through the issuing agency. All passengers are then subject to appropriate screening measures,” the TSA said in a statement to Washington Examiner.

Union officials representing Border Patrol Agents confirmed Monday that the Transportation Security Administration is allowing illegal immigrants to board airplanes without photo identification in at least two Texas airports.

“The union that represents border patrol agents told KFOX14 their clients have reported seeing the Transportation Security Administration allow illegal immigrants to fly without providing photo identification at two Texas airports, “ reports Fox El Paso.

“Late last week, we were told by border patrol agents in Laredo, Texas that they had observed TSA accepting I-862 notice to appear in court documents from illegal aliens who had just been released from border patrol custody, and allowing them to fly,” said Shawn Moran, vice president of the National Border Patrol Council. “A couple of days ago, we found out the same type of situation was occurring in El Paso, Texas at their airport. We did receive reports that in El Paso, illegal aliens were walked around security, much to the dismay of U.S. citizens who were standing in line waiting to be screened.”

https://defiantamerica.com/tsa-says-illegal-immigrants-allowed-to-fly-without-any-photo-id/?utm_source=minds

[Superfluous Man]

I imagine that since an Form I-862 is not intended to be used for ID it's probably easy to counterfeit. There's a lot of potential here for all of us who do have government issued photo IDs to take advantage of this loophole by showing I-862 forms to be able to fly without showing them.

[jkr]

UNEQUAL OPPRESSION UNDER THE LAW!

HOW IS THIS ACCEPTABLE
WHY ARE WE TREATED LIKE CATTLE AND THEY ARE NOT?

[Origanalist]

UNEQUAL OPPRESSION UNDER THE LAW!

HOW IS THIS ACCEPTABLE
WHY ARE WE TREATED LIKE CATTLE AND THEY ARE NOT?

Lol, this was my fist thought.

We demand equal oppression!

[Superfluous Man]

I imagine that since an Form I-862 is not intended to be used for ID it's probably easy to counterfeit. There's a lot of potential here for all of us who do have government issued photo IDs to take advantage of this loophole by showing I-862 forms to be able to fly without showing them.

In fact, I wonder if it's possible for a citizen to get one of these forms legally, without counterfeiting it, by calling into question our own legal status somehow and arranging a court date to resolve it.

[Origanalist]

In fact, I wonder if it's possible for a citizen to get one of these forms legally, without counterfeiting it, by calling into question our own legal status somehow and arranging a court date to resolve it.

That would great, imagine if everyone did it. :happy:

[PAF]

Nothing to see here, please move along.

And no, in the very near future NOBODY will be permitted the right to travel freely. Once the "illegals" are converted to "legal" by the government slave-owners these "loopholes" will no longer exist.

Be patient, these things take time.

[Anti Globalist]

That doesn't shock me one bit. The government cares more about illegals than its own citizens.

[Brian4Liberty]

The form can serve as identification because it is only issued after a background check has been conducted on the applicant while in federal custody, the spokesperson noted.

This is a thorough and fool-proof check. These poor people have already had to wait in lines. The TSA should have an express lane where these people can bypass the TSA screening completely. It is cruel to make them suffer even more. Think of the children. They should be able to fly anywhere once in the US for free. The government should pay for it. Air travel is a human right.

[specsaregood]

This is a thorough and fool-proof check. These poor people have already had to wait in lines. The TSA should have an express lane where these people can bypass the TSA screening completely. It is cruel to make them suffer even more. Think of the children. They should be able to fly anywhere once in the US for free. The government should pay for it. Air travel is a human right.

Already there apparently:


June 4 2:22 PM catalinatim: EL PASO, Texas -- The union that represents border patrol agents told KFOX14 their clients have reported seeing the Transportation Security Administration allow illegal immigrants to fly without providing photo identification at two Texas airports. "Late last week, we were told by border patrol agents in Laredo, Texas that they had observed TSA accepting I-862 notice to appear in court documents from illegal aliens who had just been released from border patrol custody, and allowing them to fly," said Shawn Moran, vice president of the National Border Patrol Council. "A couple of days ago, we found out the same type of situation was occurring in El Paso, Texas at their airport. "We did receive reports that in El Paso, illegal aliens were walked around security, much to the dismay of U.S. citizens who were standing in line waiting to be screened.

[Brian4Liberty]

Already there apparently:

Good. These poor people have suffered enough. Hopefully they can also bypass the lines when they vote too. When they do get some form of ID in 10 or 20 years after they attend their hearing, they should get an asterisk on their ID to continue to receive the most compassionate and welcoming treatment.

[devil21]

UNEQUAL OPPRESSION UNDER THE LAW!

HOW IS THIS ACCEPTABLE
WHY ARE WE TREATED LIKE CATTLE AND THEY ARE NOT?

You identify as property/asset/employee of the federal corporation, therefore you are treated accordingly. That's what a U.S. Citizen is. Citizens actually have a lower "legal" status than any "illegal" immigrant does.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

in retard america foreigners are given more rights than citizens

[jkr]

sticky this thread

[Anti Federalist]

UNEQUAL OPPRESSION UNDER THE LAW!

HOW IS THIS ACCEPTABLE
WHY ARE WE TREATED LIKE CATTLE AND THEY ARE NOT?

It's not acceptable, not in way shape or form.

But because we, all of us, myself included, lack the stones to do what is needed to rectify this situation, it goes on.

[Anti Federalist]

in retard america foreigners are given more rights than citizens

Exactly right, that is what this, Retard America.

In a sane world, these people would be getting thrown out on their ears, and free Americans would be traveling with no "papers" of any kind.

[fedupinmo]

This is a thorough and fool-proof check. These poor people have already had to wait in lines. The TSA should have an express lane where these people can bypass the TSA screening completely. It is cruel to make them suffer even more. Think of the children. They should be able to fly anywhere once in the US for free. The government should pay for it. Air travel is a human right.
Just think if the pilot came on the PA saying the plane had been diverted to Guatemala.

[AngryCanadian]

That doesn't shock me one bit. The government cares more about illegals than its own citizens.

They are behaving just like the EU go figure.

[Ender]

Exactly right, that is what this, Retard America.

In a sane world, these people would be getting thrown out on their ears, and free Americans would be traveling with no "papers" of any kind.

In a sane world there would be no TSA.

[Anti Federalist]

In a sane world there would be no TSA.

Exactly right.

But it isn't a sane world.

I am prepared to do what it takes to secure an island of sanity in an insane world.

[Superfluous Man]

In a sane world there would be no TSA.

Yes.

I get the feeling that for some here are so zealously in favor of immigration restriction that they would consider closing this loophole so as to prevent undocumented immigrants from being able to fly an improvement of the situation rather than recognizing it for the silver lining that it is (however a thin one it may be).

[Swordsmyth]

How about free helicopter rides?

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

Exactly right.

But it isn't a sane world.

I am prepared to do what it takes to secure an island of sanity in an insane world.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_obeR1OIm8

[devil21]

Yes.

I get the feeling that for some here are so zealously in favor of immigration restriction that they would consider closing this loophole so as to prevent undocumented immigrants from being able to fly an improvement of the situation rather than recognizing it for the silver lining that it is (however a thin one it may be).

I keep saying that the "illegals" are the most free people on this American landmass. They don't know it though, so they clamor to "be like everyone else" and attach their chains as quickly as they can, trading their freedom for privileges like everyone else has.

[Superfluous Man]

I keep saying that the "illegals" are the most free people on this American landmass. They don't know it though, so they clamor to "be like everyone else" and attach their chains as quickly as they can, trading their freedom for privileges like everyone else has.

There may well be some truth to that. But if it's really so, then I don't see what's stopping anyone else, natural-born citizens included, from adopting the life of an "illegal" to take advantage of that freedom.

[Origanalist]

There may well be some truth to that. But if it's really so, then I don't see what's stopping anyone else, natural-born citizens included, from adopting the life of an "illegal" to take advantage of that freedom.

https://i.imgflip.com/330k8v.jpg

[devil21]

There may well be some truth to that. But if it's really so, then I don't see what's stopping anyone else, natural-born citizens included, from adopting the life of an "illegal" to take advantage of that freedom.

There isn't anything stopping, other than mass brainwashing that 99.99% can not and will not shake and an exceedingly difficult process to understand and wade through to remove oneself from the lawfare net that has been cast far and wide. Deprogramming is very time-consuming and, like Morpheus said, most are not ready to be unplugged nor do I think many would, even if they knew. As Jefferson said, "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a degree of it." The conveniences of quiet slavery are somehow an easier path than the inconveniences of freedom.

[invisible]

I keep saying that the "illegals" are the most free people on this American landmass. They don't know it though, so they clamor to "be like everyone else" and attach their chains as quickly as they can, trading their freedom for privileges like everyone else has.


There may well be some truth to that. But if it's really so, then I don't see what's stopping anyone else, natural-born citizens included, from adopting the life of an "illegal" to take advantage of that freedom.

Bingo! This is exactly why there is such an intense propaganda campaign against immigrants. TPTB don't want people being shown that they are able to live freely and not be surveiled and tracked by the government, or any further development of a successful model of agorism. I find it very ironic that most Americans have absolutely no understanding of why I live as I do and find it "strange", yet all the immigrants that I know are amazed that I "live as we do" and highly respect me for it. All this talk of immigrants being "socialists" is just propaganda, complete with phony statistics and fake news, the reality is that they espouse our founding principles much more so than the vast majority of Americans themselves.

[Ender]

Bingo! This is exactly why there is such an intense propaganda campaign against immigrants. TPTB don't want people being shown that they are able to live freely and not be surveiled and tracked by the government, or any further development of a successful model of agorism. I find it very ironic that most Americans have absolutely no understanding of why I live as I do and find it "strange", yet all the immigrants that I know are amazed that I "live as we do" and highly respect me for it. All this talk of immigrants being "socialists" is just propaganda, complete with phony statistics and fake news, the reality is that they espouse our founding principles much more so than the vast majority of Americans themselves.

My experience, as well!

[PAF]

Bingo! This is exactly why there is such an intense propaganda campaign against immigrants. TPTB don't want people being shown that they are able to live freely and not be surveiled and tracked by the government, or any further development of a successful model of agorism. I find it very ironic that most Americans have absolutely no understanding of why I live as I do and find it "strange", yet all the immigrants that I know are amazed that I "live as we do" and highly respect me for it. All this talk of immigrants being "socialists" is just propaganda, complete with phony statistics and fake news, the reality is that they espouse our founding principles much more so than the vast majority of Americans themselves.




My experience, as well!


And mine, as well.

[Swordsmyth]

Bingo! This is exactly why there is such an intense propaganda campaign against immigrants. TPTB don't want people being shown that they are able to live freely and not be surveiled and tracked by the government, or any further development of a successful model of agorism. I find it very ironic that most Americans have absolutely no understanding of why I live as I do and find it "strange", yet all the immigrants that I know are amazed that I "live as we do" and highly respect me for it. All this talk of immigrants being "socialists" is just propaganda, complete with phony statistics and fake news, the reality is that they espouse our founding principles much more so than the vast majority of Americans themselves.
LOL

It must be fun to live in your own little fantasy world.

[Anti Federalist]

Bingo! This is exactly why there is such an intense propaganda campaign against immigrants.

What intense propaganda campaign?

Every single big government institution, every single big government media organ, every single leftist NGO, every single pro big government think tank...every one, is in favor of unlimited migration, acceptance and tolerance of immigrants, even at the expense of your own displacement, and some form of "open borders".

[devil21]

What intense propaganda campaign?

Every single big government institution, every single big government media organ, every single leftist NGO, every single pro big government think tank...every one, is in favor of unlimited migration, acceptance and tolerance of immigrants, even at the expense of your own displacement, and some form of "open borders".

I'm sure he means the intense propaganda campaign by world government advocating interests like Swordsmyth, particularly aimed at the right, to keep people from associating with immigrants. To view them all as "invaders" or "socialists" or some label that invokes a "you don't want to be like XXXXXX, do ya?" mindset. As invisible, PAF, Ender and myself have observed, immigrants do indeed exhibit many more of the rugged individualist traits that actually did Make America Great at one point. Hard-working, untracked commerce, minimal interaction with MSM brainwashing, even down to relatively clean eating habits, family values and religious observation. PRINCIPLES THAT CONSERVATIVES SHOULD BE EMBRACING INSTEAD OF FLEEING FROM! Principles that conservatives actually stood for not very long ago, actually.

As to the government aspect, they have their own reasons for inviting immigrants. Some of which include the anchor babies that mean new "legal" debt and tax slaves for the bankers (freshly minted Birth Certificate babies), the racial dilution agenda, cheap labor and other reasons. The difference is that they are invited for one set of reasons but are demonized to those conservatives that would actually find they have more in common, ideologically, with the immigrants than they do their own party elites, because it's counter-productive to the agenda setter's longer term goals if conservatives are reminded of what used to be their own set of principles.

[Brian4Liberty]

The essential difference between established, native born citizens and illegal immigrants is enforcement. Where a citizen might be aggressively pursued and prosecuted, an illegal immigrant might be completely ignored. The IRS for instance would be much more likely to go after a citizen. Walking away is more difficult once you are on the radar.

[Brian4Liberty]

Just think if the pilot came on the PA saying the plane had been diverted to Guatemala.

If the person needed a lift home, or a visit for a family event, it would be the least that the airline could do to take them home free. The government can pay the airline back, or just take control of the airline entirely to ensure that such flights are provided on demand. The other bourgeoisie passengers can go along for the ride. They deserve to be inconvenienced and punished for their privileged lives.

[Brian4Liberty]

What intense propaganda campaign?

Every single big government institution, every single big government media organ, every single leftist NGO, every single pro big government think tank...every one, is in favor of unlimited migration, acceptance and tolerance of immigrants, even at the expense of your own displacement, and some form of "open borders".

Exactly.

Your deviation from good and approved thought stands out like a sore thumb, and has been noted. Non-conformance is unacceptable, comrade.

[Philhelm]

In fact, I wonder if it's possible for a citizen to get one of these forms legally, without counterfeiting it, by calling into question our own legal status somehow and arranging a court date to resolve it.

Certainly not. One would have to file for asylum within one year of (unlawful) entry into the U.S. or at a port of entry, and as stated within the article, pass a credible fear assessment. Not to mention the individual would need to hail from a foreign nation from which asylum is being claimed. I'm sure a U.S. citizen could attempt to fraudulently do this, but it wouldn't end well.

Also, the way immigration works is that individuals can apply for status, but there is no apparatus to "question" legal status. That would probably need to be done through an immigration attorney who would be able to decide whether someone with questionable status should and/or can apply for status. There have certainly been cases where individuals thought that they were U.S. citizens but later learned that their parents didn't maintain their status, etc.

[Anti Federalist]

I'm sure he means the intense propaganda campaign by world government advocating interests like Swordsmyth, particularly aimed at the right, to keep people from associating with immigrants.

That doesn't make any sense.

Why would a world government organ hire somebody to post on an obscure online forum, propaganda that is in opposition to what they want?

[invisible]

That doesn't make any sense.

Why would a world government organ hire somebody to post on an obscure online forum, propaganda that is in opposition to what they want?

Obscure is not the same as not being a threat. After all, Rand, Amash, Massie, and others in lesser positions have been elected, and TPTB cannot afford to have those efforts built upon and expanded.

It is an attempt to get people to blindly hate a large group of potentially very strong political allies, a group of people who avoid being tracked and spied on by the government, ignore victimless crime laws, distrust the government and it's media organs, start businesses, avoid taxes, detest welfare, avoid any interactions with the government, don't keep their money in banks, pay in cash, and are highly agoristic. After all, it's easier to just hate that guy who came here, started a business, has no interaction with the government whatsoever, and lives anonymously, and call him an "invader" and "socialist", than it is to admit than he's a whole lot smarter and has a lot more balls than someone who willingly submits to additional biometrics to keep their "job" so that they can have the government take a cut of their paycheck before putting it in a bank. The propagandists just want you to keep submitting to the government, and not bother to ally with people who actually live freely.

Instead of actually living freely and working to get Liberty Candidates elected, the propagandists would rather see you blame others for our country's problems, mock those here who do actually live freely and call them names, and turn your back on why you came here to RPF in the first place. Of course they will only mock and call names, and attempt to claim that the reality that I live every day is somehow fantasy. They sure don't want you actually interacting with these people and finding out how much they're lying to you, let alone letting them serve as examples of how to live freely and helping to get Liberty Candidates elected.

[Swordsmyth]

I'm sure he means the intense propaganda campaign by world government advocating interests like Swordsmyth, particularly aimed at the right, to keep people from associating with immigrants. To view them all as "invaders" or "socialists" or some label that invokes a "you don't want to be like XXXXXX, do ya?" mindset. As invisible, PAF, Ender and myself have observed, immigrants do indeed exhibit many more of the rugged individualist traits that actually did Make America Great at one point. Hard-working, untracked commerce, minimal interaction with MSM brainwashing, even down to relatively clean eating habits, family values and religious observation. PRINCIPLES THAT CONSERVATIVES SHOULD BE EMBRACING INSTEAD OF FLEEING FROM! Principles that conservatives actually stood for not very long ago, actually.

As to the government aspect, they have their own reasons for inviting immigrants. Some of which include the anchor babies that mean new "legal" debt and tax slaves for the bankers (freshly minted Birth Certificate babies), the racial dilution agenda, cheap labor and other reasons. The difference is that they are invited for one set of reasons but are demonized to those conservatives that would actually find they have more in common, ideologically, with the immigrants than they do their own party elites, because it's counter-productive to the agenda setter's longer term goals if conservatives are reminded of what used to be their own set of principles.
That's a nice pack of lies.

I oppose world government while you support policies like open borders which will lead to it and immigrants are much more communist and globalist than Americans.

[Swordsmyth]

The essential difference between established, native born citizens and illegal immigrants is enforcement. Where a citizen might be aggressively pursued and prosecuted, an illegal immigrant might be completely ignored. The IRS for instance would be much more likely to go after a citizen. Walking away is more difficult once you are on the radar.
And knowing that they are more equal they happily vote to increase government power.

[Swordsmyth]

That doesn't make any sense.

Why would a world government organ hire somebody to post on an obscure online forum, propaganda that is in opposition to what they want?
devil's lie is based on a false interpretation of Mormon doctrine on a point that is shared with all Christians.
He claims that believing in the Kingdom of GOD after the return of Christ means that you support world government.
He is the one who either stupidly or maliciously supports globalist policies.

[Swordsmyth]

Obscure is not the same as not being a threat. After all, Rand, Amash, Massie, and others in lesser positions have been elected, and TPTB cannot afford to have those efforts built upon and expanded.

It is an attempt to get people to blindly hate a large group of potentially very strong political allies, a group of people who avoid being tracked and spied on by the government, ignore victimless crime laws, distrust the government and it's media organs, start businesses, avoid taxes, detest welfare, avoid any interactions with the government, don't keep their money in banks, pay in cash, and are highly agoristic. After all, it's easier to just hate that guy who came here, started a business, has no interaction with the government whatsoever, and lives anonymously, and call him an "invader" and "socialist", than it is to admit than he's a whole lot smarter and has a lot more balls than someone who willingly submits to additional biometrics to keep their "job" so that they can have the government take a cut of their paycheck before putting it in a bank. The propagandists just want you to keep submitting to the government, and not bother to ally with people who actually live freely.

Instead of actually living freely and working to get Liberty Candidates elected, the propagandists would rather see you blame others for our country's problems, mock those here who do actually live freely and call them names, and turn your back on why you came here to RPF in the first place. Of course they will only mock and call names, and attempt to claim that the reality that I live every day is somehow fantasy. They sure don't want you actually interacting with these people and finding out how much they're lying to you, let alone letting them serve as examples of how to live freely and helping to get Liberty Candidates elected.
Another pack of lies.

Every wave of immigration has increased the power of the state and we will never be able to reduce the power of the state if it is allowed to import millions of socialists who owe it for being allowed to come here and being treated better than the native citizens.

[Zippyjuan]

Another pack of lies.

Every wave of immigration has increased the power of the state and we will never be able to reduce the power of the state if it is allowed to import millions of socialists who owe it for being allowed to come here and being treated better than the native citizens.

Let's build a bigger government to protect us from people who will force us to have a bigger government! (even though they are unable to vote).

(more guidebook cliches!)

[Swordsmyth]

Let's build a bigger government to protect us from people who will force us to have a bigger government! (even though they are unable to vote).

(more guidebook cliches!)
You are the one using guidebook cliches.
They vote, they campaign, they get citizenship when idiots give them amnesty and they raise children who grow up and vote as they teach them to.

It isn't growing government to secure the border and limit immigration, the government is far bigger than it needs to be to do those and they are part of the basic duties of the smallest governments.

[Zippyjuan]

the government is far bigger than it needs to be to do those and they are part of the basic duties of the smallest governments.

So we can cut down on the size of the border patrol and cut funds for the wall since they already have too much money and too many people for that.

[Swordsmyth]

So we can cut down on the size of the border patrol and cut funds for the wall since they already have too much money and too many people for that.
If we put the military on the border and use military funds for any needed construction.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Let's build a bigger government...


But you want bigger government. You actively campaign against Ron and Rand. You rabidly do it.

[invisible]

It must be fun to live in your own little fantasy world.

That's a nice pack of lies.

I oppose world government while you support policies like open borders which will lead to it and immigrants are much more communist and globalist than Americans.

devil's lie is based on a false interpretation of Mormon doctrine on a point that is shared with all Christians.
He claims that believing in the Kingdom of GOD after the return of Christ means that you support world government.
He is the one who either stupidly or maliciously supports globalist policies.

Another pack of lies.

And that's all this person's got, is to call anyone exposing their propaganda a liar. Nevermind that several genuine long-time Ron Paul supporters speak from direct personal experience, observation, and actual interaction with the people they're attempting to demonize.



And knowing that they are more equal they happily vote to increase government power.

Every wave of immigration has increased the power of the state and we will never be able to reduce the power of the state if it is allowed to import millions of socialists who owe it for being allowed to come here and being treated better than the native citizens.

And of course, if you keep repeating this garbage often enough, people just might believe it. With 36+ posts a day pushing trump's propaganda, no history of activism or supporting Ron Paul, and continuous direct opposition to Ron Paul, does anyone actually think that this guy has any credibility whatsoever? If so, I'm sure that PT Barnum would love to meet you!