Alabama Legislature Passes Bill Requiring Chemical Castration of Child Molestors

[Swordsmyth]

Alabama lawmakers passed a bill Tuesday that would require convicted child molesters to be chemically castrated prior to being released from prison.
“If Gov. Kay Ivey signs the bill, it would require offenders aged 21 and older to be chemically castrated before leaving prison,” according to WHNT (https://whnt.com/2019/06/05/alabama-lawmakers-pass-bill-requiring-chemical-castration-of-child-molesters/). “The bill, known as HB 379, was introduced by Republican State Rep. Steve Hurst of Calhoun County, which is in the northeast part of the state.”
“They have marked this child for life and the punishment should fit the crime.” Hurst reportedly (https://www.cbs42.com/top-stories/alabama-considers-chemical-castration/2050636492) said.
But he also hopes the bill will deter would-be child sex offenders.


One Alabama attorney said the law – if signed – will likely be challenged in court.
“There [sic] going to challenge it under the 8th Amendment Constitution,” Raymond Johnson reportedly said. “There [sic] going to claim that it is cruel and unusual punishment for someone who has served there time and for the rest of there life have to be castrated.”

More at: https://bigleaguepolitics.com/alabama-legislature-passes-bill-requiring-chemical-castration-of-child-molestors/

[dannno]

Ya this is a bad idea. There are always going to be people who are falsely accused and convicted. This is irreversible.

I will say, that I wouldn't be completely against making it optional, with the state paying for the treatment. The only bad part about that is the state paying for it, but if it's something that the perp thinks will help them and they have served their time, then it's far from the first government program I would abolish.

The other issue of course is that allegedly it doesn't work very well. It seems like it should, but apparently it doesn't.

[Grandmastersexsay]

So when a 21 year old gets caught banging his 17 year old girlfriend, a judge will be forced by this mandate to sentence him to chemical castration? Mandatory sentences are never a good idea. Judges should be able to apply some common sense.

[dannno]

So when a 21 year old gets caught banging his 17 year old girlfriend, a judge will be forced by this mandate to sentence him to chemical castration? Mandatory sentences are never a good idea. Judges should be able to apply some common sense.

Ya that's another good point. My logical brain still doesn't always make the connection that a 21 year old banging a 17 year old is "child molestation", no matter how often it gets repeated.

[Swordsmyth]

Ya this is a bad idea. There are always going to be people who are falsely accused and convicted. This is irreversible.

I will say, that I wouldn't be completely against making it optional, with the state paying for the treatment. The only bad part about that is the state paying for it, but if it's something that the perp thinks will help them and they have served their time, then it's far from the first government program I would abolish.

The other issue of course is that allegedly it doesn't work very well. It seems like it should, but apparently it doesn't.


So when a 21 year old gets caught banging his 17 year old girlfriend, a judge will be forced by this mandate to sentence him to chemical castration? Mandatory sentences are never a good idea. Judges should be able to apply some common sense.
If this was limited to those who choose to accept it or to those who have absolute red-handed proof that they raped a child I would say they should go for surgical castration but as things stand your concerns are absolutely valid.

[Swordsmyth]

Ya this is a bad idea. There are always going to be people who are falsely accused and convicted. This is irreversible.

I will say, that I wouldn't be completely against making it optional, with the state paying for the treatment. The only bad part about that is the state paying for it, but if it's something that the perp thinks will help them and they have served their time, then it's far from the first government program I would abolish.

The other issue of course is that allegedly it doesn't work very well. It seems like it should, but apparently it doesn't.


So when a 21 year old gets caught banging his 17 year old girlfriend, a judge will be forced by this mandate to sentence him to chemical castration? Mandatory sentences are never a good idea. Judges should be able to apply some common sense.


Ya that's another good point. My logical brain still doesn't always make the connection that a 21 year old banging a 17 year old is "child molestation", no matter how often it gets repeated.

The bill, known as HB 379 (https://legiscan.com/AL/text/HB379/id/1987931/Alabama-2019-HB379-Introduced.pdf), was introduced by Republican state Rep. Steve Hurst and targets child sex offenders (https://www.foxnews.com/us/u-s-census-bureau-under-fire-for-hiring-registered-child-sex-offender-as-a-manager) whose offenses involve anyone under 13, according to the legislation.

The offenders would be required to foot the bill for the procedure. Refusing to undergo the castration would constitute a violation of parole, the bill reads.

More at: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/alabama-passes-bill-requiring-chemical-castration-for-certain-child-molesters

[Stratovarious]

The bill, known as HB 379 (https://legiscan.com/AL/text/HB379/id/1987931/Alabama-2019-HB379-Introduced.pdf), was introduced by Republican state Rep. Steve Hurst and targets child sex offenders (https://www.foxnews.com/us/u-s-census-bureau-under-fire-for-hiring-registered-child-sex-offender-as-a-manager) whose offenses involve anyone under 13, according to the legislation.

The offenders would be required to foot the bill for the procedure. Refusing to undergo the castration would constitute a violation of parole, the bill reads.

More at: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/alabama-passes-bill-requiring-chemical-castration-for-certain-child-molesters

I would venture that this word 'Targets' is not exactly a legal term nor does it articulate what that is
even supposed to mean in practice.

What constitutes molestation? What are the actual qualifications? Is that defined?

Is everyone that is executed for murder actually guilty?

Is this safe from the 'he said' 'she said' cases?

What / how exactly does chemical castration work , what is the procedure?

Is it ridiculous to ask that career welfare recipients be chemically castrated?


Is it ridiculous to ask that socialist Liberals be castrated?

[Swordsmyth]

I would venture that this word 'Targets' is not exactly a legal term nor does it articulate what that is
even supposed to mean in practice.

What constitutes molestation? What are the actual qualifications? Is that defined?

Is everyone that is executed for murder actually guilty?

Is this safe from the 'he said' 'she said' cases?

What / how exactly does chemical castration work , what is the procedure?

Is it ridiculous to ask that career welfare recipients be chemically castrated?


Is it ridiculous to ask that socialist Liberals be castrated?

Good questions.

[DamianTV]

Can we legally castrate half of Congress and Hollyweird too while we are at it?

[euphemia]

Nope. Not a good plan. This is not how Americans treat criminals. Violent offenders go to jail.

[Swordsmyth]

Nope. Not a good plan. This is not how Americans treat criminals. Violent offenders go to jail.
In cases where the proof is absolute these criminals should be executed, surgical castration would be going lightly on them.

[Stratovarious]

Good questions.

Thanks, the more 'serious' questions I posed, are the ones that the 'jockeys' riding the bill will
never talk about, they probably don't even know nor care.

[Anti Globalist]

Can we legally castrate half of Congress and Hollyweird too while we are at it?
That is a brilliant idea.

[DamianTV]

That is a brilliant idea.

Well, you know how it goes. If they impose a law on us, they are themselves exempt from that same law!

[specsaregood]

Ya this is a bad idea. There are always going to be people who are falsely accused and convicted. This is irreversible.


It is chemical castration, not physical castration. When they stop taking the drugs it reverses. Of course there can be sideeffects, but that's the norm.

[Anti Globalist]

Well, you know how it goes. If they impose a law on us, they are themselves exempt from that same law!
Similar to how all of Congress is exempt from Obamacare?

[PierzStyx]

Fascists are going to be fascists.

[KEEF]

“There [sic] going to challenge it under the 8th Amendment Constitution,” Raymond Johnson reportedly said. “There [sic] going to claim that it is cruel and unusual punishment for someone who has served there time and for the rest of there life have to be castrated.”

More at: https://bigleaguepolitics.com/alabama-legislature-passes-bill-requiring-chemical-castration-of-child-molestors/
...and that was my question about it too. I am all for public castrations for sick people like that, but then make that their punishment. If the whole idea for prison is to “modify” the behavior then I’d say the time they are sentenced for is enough. If they are a huge threat to the public, then lock them up and throw away the key.

And as danno said, what happens with wrongfully the convicted? Or what @Grandmastersexsat said about a 21 year old banging a 17 year old?

i just don’t like this.

[Working Poor]

I think child rapist need long sentences. Anyone who rapes and murders a child ought never be allowed to exit prison. I recently saw an account about a man who had been convicted of murdering and raping a child and with in weeks of getting out he raped and murdered another child.

There is some kind of pedophile group that wants sex with children to be legal I hope I never live to see that day...

[Swordsmyth]

...and that was my question about it too. I am all for public castrations for sick people like that, but then make that their punishment. If the whole idea for prison is to “modify” the behavior then I’d say the time they are sentenced for is enough. If they are a huge threat to the public, then lock them up and throw away the key.

And as @dann (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=19002)o said, what happens with wrongfully the convicted? Or what @Grandmastersexsat said about a 21 year old banging a 17 year old?

i just don’t like this. dannno has 3 "n"s Grandmastersexsay

Provided absolute proof is required I would support execution for rapists so surgical castration would be more than acceptible and we could save the expense of housing and feeding them .

The law only applies to crimes involving those less than 13 but there are still major problems it presents.

[DamianTV]

Similar to how all of Congress is exempt from Obamacare?

Exactly. Oh, and they can probably literally get away with Murder too.

There are two sets of books (of rules), and they only let you know about ONE. The "other" book is when they eat their own, such as doing things that expose them to the public eye. You know, what we used to call Privacy! Yeah, they still get Privacy, and FREE INSURANCE FOR LIFE, and everything else they damn well want while you offer your work and are spat on and called "lazy"!

[Intoxiklown]

The issue with these types of proposals is due to the fact that castration doesn't necessarily do away with sex drive, nor the ability to achieve an erection and/or climax. Now....it'll definitely make those harder (no pun intended) to achieve, but stop completely? No. It's made worse since rapists more times than not have mental defects that makes the rape more about power than sex. So all that will really do is add frustrations to them, and most likely cause serious anger. So the risk of them graduating to rape / murder is heightened.

In other words....they really should be treated as a threat to public safety and given either life imprisonment sentences (requiring substantial evidence) or we should revisit the Supreme Court case where they decided states could no longer issue the death penalty for rape deemed as "with force" (usually based on the child's age in pedophile cases. I know one state held that threshold at the age of 10 if I remember correctly) and allow those states to reinstate that option for sentence.

[enhanced_deficit]

Although AL conservatives may have had some grudges against GOP MAGA-Adelson wing after media campaign against GOP's Roy Moore and his subsequent defeat, hopefully politics has nothing to do with current debate.


Former Federal Prosecutor Behind Jeffrey Epstein Deal Is Now Trump’s Secretary of Labor (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?528876-Former-Federal-Prosecutor-Behind-Jeffrey-Epstein-Deal-Is-Now-Trump’s-Secretary-of-Labor&)

Despite some new chatter in social media over old photos in the aftermath Miami Herald expose of accused child rapist JE and role of Acosta in securing sweetheart deal, surfacing of these photo would not damage her political career in any major way. Even if conservative supporters of GOP Alabama Senate Roy Moore who lost after Ivanka's attacks may see things differently.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jDPzW9COsU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jDPzW9COsU

How a future Trump Cabinet member gave a serial sex abuser the deal of a lifetime

BY Julie K. Brown
Nov. 28, 2018
A decade before #MeToo, a multimillionaire sex offender from Florida got the ultimate break.

On a muggy October morning in 2007, Miami’s top federal prosecutor, Alexander Acosta, had a breakfast appointment with a former colleague, Washington, D.C., attorney Jay Lefkowitz.

It was an unusual meeting for the then-38-year-old prosecutor, a rising Republican star who had served in several White House posts before being named U.S. attorney in Miami by President George W. Bush.
Instead of meeting at the prosecutor’s Miami headquarters, the two men — both with professional roots in the prestigious Washington law firm of Kirkland & Ellis — convened at the Marriott in West Palm Beach, about 70 miles away. For Lefkowitz, 44, a U.S. special envoy to North Korea and corporate lawyer, the meeting was critical.
His client, Palm Beach multimillionaire Jeffrey Epstein, 54, was accused of assembling a large, cult-like network of underage girls — with the help of young female recruiters — to coerce into having sex acts behind the walls of his opulent waterfront mansion (https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article221404845.html) as often as three times a day, the Town of Palm Beach police found.
At this home on El Brillo Way in Palm Beach, young girls, recruited by other young girls, would arrive by car or taxi, be greeted in the kitchen by a member of Jeffrey Epstein’s staff and ascend a staircase. They were met by Epstein, clad in a towel.


Alexander Acosta, now President Donald Trump’s secretary of labor, was the U.S. attorney for Southern Florida when he negotiated an end to the federal investigation of Jeffrey Epstein.

Indeed, one lawsuit, still pending in New York, alleges that Epstein used an international modeling agency to recruit girls as young as 13 from Europe, Ecuador and Brazil. The girls lived in a New York building owned by Epstein, who paid for their visas, according to the sworn statement of Maritza Vasquez, the one-time bookkeeper for Mc2, the modeling agency.

Mike Fisten, a former Miami-Dade police sergeant who was also a homicide investigator and a member of the FBI Organized Crime Task Force, said the FBI had enough evidence to put Epstein away for a long time but was overruled by Acosta.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article220097825.html




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[Working Poor]

The issue with these types of proposals is due to the fact that castration doesn't necessarily do away with sex drive, nor the ability to achieve an erection and/or climax. Now....it'll definitely make those harder (no pun intended) to achieve, but stop completely? No. It's made worse since rapists more times than not have mental defects that makes the rape more about power than sex. So all that will really do is add frustrations to them, and most likely cause serious anger. So the risk of them graduating to rape / murder is heightened.

In other words....they really should be treated as a threat to public safety and given either life imprisonment sentences (requiring substantial evidence) or we should revisit the Supreme Court case where they decided states could no longer issue the death penalty for rape deemed as "with force" (usually based on the child's age in pedophile cases. I know one state held that threshold at the age of 10 if I remember correctly) and allow those states to reinstate that option for sentence.

I think a tattoo right in the middle of their forehead would do much to warn people abut a convicted child rapist. Single mothers are very vulnerable because a lot of men don't want anything to do with a woman who has children and pedophiles seek out women who have children.

But I still am for long sentencing and no parole for murder/rapes ever no matter what the age of the victim or the perp. I do feel bad for men who have to register as a sex offender if they get caught peeing behind a dumpster or if they had sex with a 17 year old with only a year or two of age difference.

[euphemia]

As much as I despise molesters and rapists, this is not the 16th century. We don’t brand people for their wrongs. We either imprison or execute them. This is one of the purposes of the state. The individual does not exact vengeance. The state does. As bad as crimes against the person are, vengeance eats at the soul. We don’t want to be a people without a soul.

[Created4]

As much as I despise molesters and rapists, this is not the 16th century. We don’t brand people for their wrongs. We either imprison or execute them. This is one of the purposes of the state. The individual does not exact vengeance. The state does. As bad as crimes against the person are, vengeance eats at the soul. We don’t want to be a people without a soul.

Well said.

I am not a fan of using pharmaceutical products as punishment, including lethal injection. Bring back the firing squad, or start hanging again....