enhanced_deficit
06-01-2019, 11:24 AM
2020: Neocons Swamp Could Be In Big Trouble
Chances seem to be increasing that GOP-neocon wing could get demolished in 2020 but neocons cabal has deep money pockets on top of Adelson's casinos money is not going to go down without a major fight.
Controversial Nigel Farage's big upset in EU elections (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?534978-Major-EU-upset-Nigel-Farage%92s-Brexit-Party-set-to-win-most-UK-seats-in-EU-vote&p=6803388&viewfull=1#post6803388) could also pose very serious risks to MAGA-Nationalist movement's funding in the US.
One more MAGA skeptic Republican in news this week:
Roy Moore says Trump 'doesn't control who votes': Alabamians are 'smarter than that'
By Sam Dorman | Fox News
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/roy...abama-election
By the same token, would your support for any GOP/Libertarian 2020 MAGA's primary challenger depend on who's running against him?
If someone better than MAGA appeared on the scene, would you be open to supporting his challenger?
Yes, I have said so many times.
I have even said I want him to have a challenger that is better than him.
It's still early, so far have not seen strong 2020 MAGA Primary challengers who can forcefully stand up to neocons swamp's deep money pockets... but increasing exposure of neocons puppets and emergence of various fault lines within MAGA-Neocons Cabal Coalition seems to be creating fertile ground for challenges to come ahead before 2020.
Quote:
1129831615952236546?s=21
https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1129831615952236546?s=21
Way to call a spade a spade, even if it means getting the GOP all up in arms. Love his pinned tweet too regarding Washington’s quote on towing the party line.
"Let me now...warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally."
—George Washington
If he really believes that, then it's quite Ron Paul-esque trait, speakig his true beliefs instead of pandering by looking at which way wind is blowing... something that is done by 98-99% of politicians many of whom serve lobbies instead of public.
That said, talk of impeachment at this point is bit disruptive to the smooth working of government that is in the middle of many big domestic and globalist spending projects including foreign interventions. At least let the ongoing military escalation with Iran settle or this risks putting security of our closest allies in Israel, Saudi at risk by distracting commander in chief with obstruction drama at the end of years long Russian collusion hoax.
Granted GOP-neocon/zionism wing funded by a famous liberal democrat neocon may not be perfect for America-First agenda but disturbing the apple cart now would just be just too disruptive for government functioning as we saw during recent gov shutdown. Hopefully others in GOP, Weld etc won't start making similar calls scared by fakenews Foxnews poll just out that shows MAGA losing to 3 leading Dems.
Troubling Fox News poll shows 2020 loss (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?534651-Big-sink-Troubling-Fox-News-poll-shows-2020-loss&)
https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2019/05/640/320/poll1c.jpg?ve=1&tl=1
How again did Trump obstruct justice? Also, I cannot side with nailing someone for obstructing justice when then real crime being investigated is non existent. Precedent be damned.
Rebooting obstruction question at this stage is not helpful. But to answer your question, following was sampling of only some of the things being thrown out by TDS critics regarding obstruction charge, there may be other un-redacted stuff, Flynn tapes etc.
Why Mueller did not exonerate POTUS on Obstruction Of Justice charge? (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?532799-Why-Mueller-did-not-exonerate-POTUS-on-Obstruction-Of-Justice-charge&)
If there was no evidence of Obstruction Of Justice, why he left the door open for the OoJ charge?
Two years of investigations and deliberations ought to be enough, nation really needed a closure on this divisive issue to move on.
Update 1:
This does not seem like obstruction of justice:
March 24, 2019
Barr added that when he and Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein reviewed the full report, the pair concluded that the evidence is “not sufficient”...
Trump retweets meme calling for imprisonment of his own deputy attorney general
By Aaron Rupar Nov 28, 2018
https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/IyRSfHau-jJLUhBrUwKeQ3lso1A=/1400x1050/filters:format(jpeg)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/13586038/2.jpg
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/11/28/18115986/trump-retweets-meme-imprisonment-rosenstein-obama-mueller
Michael Cohen's lawyer accuses Rudy Giuliani of 'witness tampering
He also said that “calling out a man's father-in-law and wife in order to intimidate the witness is not fair game and it needs to be investigated.”
Davis didn’t spare Trump either.
The lawyer said the president “indisputably intimidates and obstructs justice to prevent a witness from testifying.”
https://www.aol.com/article/news/2019/01/24/michael-cohens-lawyer-accuses-rudy-giuliani-of-witness-tampering-calls-him-unhinged/23651875/
On Eve of Michael Cohen’s Testimony, Republican Threatens to Reveal Compromising Information
“Hey @michaelc (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=42954)ohen212 - Do your wife & father-in-law know about your girlfriends? Maybe tonight would be a good time for that chat. I wonder if she’ll remain faithful when you’re in prison. She’s about to learn a lot,” Mr. Gaetz said on Twitter (https://twitter.com/mattgaetz/status/1100503846386835456).
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/26/us/politics/michael-cohen-testimony.html
Mueller refers sex misconduct scheme targeting him to FBI for investigation
Oct. 30, 2018By Brandy Zadrozny, Ben Collins and Tom Winter
Special counsel Robert Mueller last week asked the FBI to investigate a possible scam in which a woman would make false claims that he was guilty of sexual misconduct and harassment, after several political reporters were contacted about doing a story on the alleged misconduct.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/mueller-refers-sex-assault-scheme-targeting-him-fbi-investigation-n926301
Firm Linked to Israeli Intelligence Ran Pro-Trump Propaganda
Oct 10, 2018 - According to the NYT, Special Counsel Robert Mueller who ... had been revealed that Trump's team hired another Israeli spy firm – Black Cube.
(https://www.vox.com/world/2018/5/7/17327278/ben-rhodes-black-cube-iran-deal)
“Morning Joe” co-hosts claim that Jared Kushner attempted to blackmail them
(http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?524380-Leaked-Netanyahu-Tape-((WE))-Made-Trump-Cancel-the-Iran-Deal&p=6676416&viewfull=1#post6676416)
June 30, 2017
Unfortunately, TDS seems to be spreading to conservatives and GOP circles beyond Coulters, GOA leaders, Joe Walshes, Brietbarts, Foxnews etc.
Ex-GOP lawmaker pens op-ed calling for Trump to be impeached (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?534868-Ex-GOP-lawmaker-pens-op-ed-calling-for-Trump-to-be-impeached&)
https://media1.s-nbcnews.com/i/MSNBC/Components/Video/201805/n_ari_treason_180521_1920x1080.jpg
https://agnostic.com/images/posts/68050_d1a247p41xo7s51_full.jpeg?v=2
Chances seem to be increasing that GOP-neocon wing could get demolished in 2020 but neocons cabal has deep money pockets on top of Adelson's casinos money is not going to go down without a major fight.
Controversial Nigel Farage's big upset in EU elections (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?534978-Major-EU-upset-Nigel-Farage%92s-Brexit-Party-set-to-win-most-UK-seats-in-EU-vote&p=6803388&viewfull=1#post6803388) could also pose very serious risks to MAGA-Nationalist movement's funding in the US.
One more MAGA skeptic Republican in news this week:
Roy Moore says Trump 'doesn't control who votes': Alabamians are 'smarter than that'
By Sam Dorman | Fox News
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/roy...abama-election
By the same token, would your support for any GOP/Libertarian 2020 MAGA's primary challenger depend on who's running against him?
If someone better than MAGA appeared on the scene, would you be open to supporting his challenger?
Yes, I have said so many times.
I have even said I want him to have a challenger that is better than him.
It's still early, so far have not seen strong 2020 MAGA Primary challengers who can forcefully stand up to neocons swamp's deep money pockets... but increasing exposure of neocons puppets and emergence of various fault lines within MAGA-Neocons Cabal Coalition seems to be creating fertile ground for challenges to come ahead before 2020.
Quote:
1129831615952236546?s=21
https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/1129831615952236546?s=21
Way to call a spade a spade, even if it means getting the GOP all up in arms. Love his pinned tweet too regarding Washington’s quote on towing the party line.
"Let me now...warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally."
—George Washington
If he really believes that, then it's quite Ron Paul-esque trait, speakig his true beliefs instead of pandering by looking at which way wind is blowing... something that is done by 98-99% of politicians many of whom serve lobbies instead of public.
That said, talk of impeachment at this point is bit disruptive to the smooth working of government that is in the middle of many big domestic and globalist spending projects including foreign interventions. At least let the ongoing military escalation with Iran settle or this risks putting security of our closest allies in Israel, Saudi at risk by distracting commander in chief with obstruction drama at the end of years long Russian collusion hoax.
Granted GOP-neocon/zionism wing funded by a famous liberal democrat neocon may not be perfect for America-First agenda but disturbing the apple cart now would just be just too disruptive for government functioning as we saw during recent gov shutdown. Hopefully others in GOP, Weld etc won't start making similar calls scared by fakenews Foxnews poll just out that shows MAGA losing to 3 leading Dems.
Troubling Fox News poll shows 2020 loss (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?534651-Big-sink-Troubling-Fox-News-poll-shows-2020-loss&)
https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2019/05/640/320/poll1c.jpg?ve=1&tl=1
How again did Trump obstruct justice? Also, I cannot side with nailing someone for obstructing justice when then real crime being investigated is non existent. Precedent be damned.
Rebooting obstruction question at this stage is not helpful. But to answer your question, following was sampling of only some of the things being thrown out by TDS critics regarding obstruction charge, there may be other un-redacted stuff, Flynn tapes etc.
Why Mueller did not exonerate POTUS on Obstruction Of Justice charge? (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?532799-Why-Mueller-did-not-exonerate-POTUS-on-Obstruction-Of-Justice-charge&)
If there was no evidence of Obstruction Of Justice, why he left the door open for the OoJ charge?
Two years of investigations and deliberations ought to be enough, nation really needed a closure on this divisive issue to move on.
Update 1:
This does not seem like obstruction of justice:
March 24, 2019
Barr added that when he and Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein reviewed the full report, the pair concluded that the evidence is “not sufficient”...
Trump retweets meme calling for imprisonment of his own deputy attorney general
By Aaron Rupar Nov 28, 2018
https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/IyRSfHau-jJLUhBrUwKeQ3lso1A=/1400x1050/filters:format(jpeg)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/13586038/2.jpg
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/11/28/18115986/trump-retweets-meme-imprisonment-rosenstein-obama-mueller
Michael Cohen's lawyer accuses Rudy Giuliani of 'witness tampering
He also said that “calling out a man's father-in-law and wife in order to intimidate the witness is not fair game and it needs to be investigated.”
Davis didn’t spare Trump either.
The lawyer said the president “indisputably intimidates and obstructs justice to prevent a witness from testifying.”
https://www.aol.com/article/news/2019/01/24/michael-cohens-lawyer-accuses-rudy-giuliani-of-witness-tampering-calls-him-unhinged/23651875/
On Eve of Michael Cohen’s Testimony, Republican Threatens to Reveal Compromising Information
“Hey @michaelc (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=42954)ohen212 - Do your wife & father-in-law know about your girlfriends? Maybe tonight would be a good time for that chat. I wonder if she’ll remain faithful when you’re in prison. She’s about to learn a lot,” Mr. Gaetz said on Twitter (https://twitter.com/mattgaetz/status/1100503846386835456).
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/26/us/politics/michael-cohen-testimony.html
Mueller refers sex misconduct scheme targeting him to FBI for investigation
Oct. 30, 2018By Brandy Zadrozny, Ben Collins and Tom Winter
Special counsel Robert Mueller last week asked the FBI to investigate a possible scam in which a woman would make false claims that he was guilty of sexual misconduct and harassment, after several political reporters were contacted about doing a story on the alleged misconduct.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/mueller-refers-sex-assault-scheme-targeting-him-fbi-investigation-n926301
Firm Linked to Israeli Intelligence Ran Pro-Trump Propaganda
Oct 10, 2018 - According to the NYT, Special Counsel Robert Mueller who ... had been revealed that Trump's team hired another Israeli spy firm – Black Cube.
(https://www.vox.com/world/2018/5/7/17327278/ben-rhodes-black-cube-iran-deal)
“Morning Joe” co-hosts claim that Jared Kushner attempted to blackmail them
(http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?524380-Leaked-Netanyahu-Tape-((WE))-Made-Trump-Cancel-the-Iran-Deal&p=6676416&viewfull=1#post6676416)
June 30, 2017
Unfortunately, TDS seems to be spreading to conservatives and GOP circles beyond Coulters, GOA leaders, Joe Walshes, Brietbarts, Foxnews etc.
Ex-GOP lawmaker pens op-ed calling for Trump to be impeached (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?534868-Ex-GOP-lawmaker-pens-op-ed-calling-for-Trump-to-be-impeached&)
https://media1.s-nbcnews.com/i/MSNBC/Components/Video/201805/n_ari_treason_180521_1920x1080.jpg
https://agnostic.com/images/posts/68050_d1a247p41xo7s51_full.jpeg?v=2