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unknown
06-01-2019, 03:40 AM
The Supreme Court Just Made It Easier for Police to Arrest You for Filming Them (https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/05/supreme-court-nieves-police-abuse-case.amp).


The First Amendment makes it unconstitutional for government officials to retaliate against you because they dislike your speech. At the same time, federal law gives you the right to sue state officials for compensation if they violate constitutional rights such as your right to free speech. But on Tuesday, the Supreme Court invented a rule that will often allow police officers to arrest people in retaliation for disfavored speech without liability.

By enabling police officers to target viewpoints they dislike with near impunity, the decision could be catastrophic for protesters and the press. The justices, meanwhile, didn’t even try to ground their decision in the text or history of the statute they were interpreting. Instead, the court was surprisingly frank about its rationale: The justices simply don’t want police officers to have to defend themselves in court against these types of allegations.

In Nieves v. Bartlett, a divided court ruled that individuals can’t sue police officers for retaliatory arrest if those officers had probable cause to arrest them for any crime, no matter how minor—and that’s true even if the real reason for the arrest was speech the officers didn’t like. In other words, if you are jaywalking in violation of a local ordinance, officers can arrest you without fear of liability even if they’re making the arrest only because you’re participating in a Black Lives Matter demonstration or wearing a “Make America Great Again” cap.

The Nieves decision takes a red pen to the statute Congress wrote, based on some justices’ fear that police actions taken “during a legitimate arrest could land an officer in years of litigation.” That objection, though, was already made in the proper forum—Congress—when it debated and passed Section 1983 many years ago. Opponents claimed that “this bill … puts in jeopardy the officers of the States, though in the conscientious discharge of their duties” and would lead to “vexatious, expensive, and protracted litigation.” Those objections failed in the political process. Stepping into Congress’ role nearly a century and a half later, the Roberts court revived them.

Things were clearly headed in this direction during oral argument last fall, where the justices’ questions suggested that they viewed the case as an opportunity to decide what rules would be best for society. Justice Stephen Breyer made no secret of the fact that he was looking for a “compromise” that would sacrifice some First Amendment rights to limit the number of lawsuits against the police. For an hour, the justices debated the merits of various approaches like legislators crafting a bill. Missing was any substantial discussion of the meaning of the First Amendment or the text and history of Section 1983.

In response, the plaintiff’s counsel had to remind the justices of a truism they have often repeated: If a law produces socially undesirable results, it’s the job of Congress—not the court—to amend that law. This prompted a stunning but revealing question from Chief Justice John Roberts: “What law is Congress supposed to change?” Amid all the policy debate, it seemed the chief had completely forgotten this case was about interpreting a federal statute.

Schifference
06-01-2019, 04:04 AM
Judges don't want to work to hard. These types of cases are too much stress on the judicial system. Cops rule. Citizens go to jail.

Bern
06-01-2019, 07:34 AM
Respect my authoritay!

Anti Globalist
06-01-2019, 08:03 AM
Yes giving cops more power is such a good idea.

Warrior_of_Freedom
06-01-2019, 05:36 PM
Take this plea deal for 6 months probation or face 20 years in prison for poking fun at a transgender person on twitter

unknown
06-02-2019, 03:57 AM
Thanks Trump.

Did you mofos read this shit???

The fcking guys are openly legislating from the bench.

Gave zero fcks about the actual law.

We gotta get this article to the Judge.

Danke
06-02-2019, 06:29 AM
Respect my authoritay!

" no matter how minor—and that’s true even if the real reason for the arrest was speech the officers didn’t like. In other words, if you are jaywalking in violation of a local ordinance, officers can arrest you without fear of liability"

Minor? Jaywalking is kind like Marijuana, a slippery slope if left unchecked. Unenforced could lead to more serious crimes. Isn't that right TheTexan ?

nikcers
06-02-2019, 07:04 AM
Wow so they are shutting down our speech online and creating a loophole for police to shut down people who exercise their speech in person and creating loopholes to block phone calls and they censor our emails by abusing spam filter algorithms. They won't need any tanks to install tyranny here I guess because there won't be any opposition. People are even willing to accept that presidential candidates can be treated like a foreigner because orange man bad.

TheTexan
06-02-2019, 07:28 AM
" no matter how minor—and that’s true even if the real reason for the arrest was speech the officers didn’t like. In other words, if you are jaywalking in violation of a local ordinance, officers can arrest you without fear of liability"

Minor? Jaywalking is kind like Marijuana, a slippery slope if left unchecked. Unenforced could lead to more serious crimes. Isn't that right TheTexan ?

+rep

We live in a beautiful world that we enjoy with our families and loved ones. There are police services available, law enforcement is operational, there's gasoline in the gas stations. Food on the supermarket shelves. No big natural disasters that would disrupt the supply of those items.

This is all possible because we live in a world with the Rule of Law. People can go outside to the park and not worry about being attacked, assaulted, raped, killed. All of the things that probably will happen without rule of law.

The moment that we stop taking the law seriously -- any law -- this whole system begins to break down.

Jaywalking is more than just a misdemeanor, it's an attack on the very society that we all have learned to love and enjoy.

nikcers
06-02-2019, 07:44 AM
+rep

We live in a beautiful world that we enjoy with our families and loved ones. There are police services available, law enforcement is operational, there's gasoline in the gas stations. Food on the supermarket shelves. No big natural disasters that would disrupt the supply of those items.

This is all possible because we live in a world with the Rule of Law. People can go outside to the park and not worry about being attacked, assaulted, raped, killed. All of the things that probably will happen without rule of law.

The moment that we stop taking the law seriously -- any law -- this whole system begins to break down.

Jaywalking is more than just a misdemeanor, it's an attack on the very society that we all have learned to love and enjoy.

There's only one solution when words won't work.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson

Swordsmyth
06-02-2019, 07:25 PM
Thanks Trump.
Yes, thank you Trump for Gorsuch:

In a recent dissenting opinion (https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/18pdf/17-1174_m5o1.pdf), Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch warns of the dangers of the modern expansion of criminal law to the point where "almost anyone can be arrested for anything":

History shows that governments sometimes seek to regulate our lives finely, acutely, thoroughly, and exhaustively. In our own time and place, criminal laws have grown so exuberantly and come to cover so much previously innocent conduct that almost anyone can be arrested for something. If the state could use these laws not for their intended purposes but to silence those who voice unpopular ideas, little would be left of our First Amendment liberties, and little would separate us from the tyrannies of the past or the malignant fiefdoms of our own age. The freedom to speak with-out risking arrest is "one of the principal characteristics by which we distinguish a free nation." Houston v. Hill, 482 U. S. 451, 463 (1987).
The immediate point of Gorsuch's argument is to criticize the idea that having "probable cause" for an arrest should automatically invalidate a claim that the arrest violated the First Amendment because it was being used as a tool to punish dissenting speech. He is absolutely right on that point.

As Supreme Court Justice Neil M. Gorsuch puts it (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/03/25/gorsuch-is-right-about-chevron-deference/?utm_term=.cfc48a78c7e2), an agency can "reverse its current view 180 degrees anytime based merely on the shift of political winds and still prevail [in court]."

More at: https://reason.com/2019/05/30/dangers-of-a-world-where-almost-anyone-can-be-arrested-for-something/