Trump administration prepares to release Central American migrants 'across the entire nation'

[voter1]

Trump administration prepares to release Central American migrants 'across the entire nation'
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/05/17/border-patrol-cbp-release-central-american-migrants-across-entire-nation/3710025002/

[PAF]

Back in the old days before the FED was all powerful, human beings came by boat to Ellis Island and then had to work/fend for themselves. It did not matter what nationality one was... Irish, Italian, Polish, Mexican, German, etc. They homesteaded, and made a life for themselves and their families if they wanted to survive.

Now, trump and company want to ensure that those coming in are controlled by the Fed, provided transportation, in order to become "documented", so that they are part of a massive database, eligible for Freebies, and if they work, government minimum wage to Fund the Fed (federal income tax), etc.

But in order to do so, the Government must GROW - DHS, ICE, Border Control "facilities", Agencies, Computer Systems, etc. on OUR tax dime.

This is the unintended consequence of "republicans" buying the "legal versus illegal" bullsh|t and now actually promote reporting companies to Federal Agencies.

Pelosi and her party may make public stinks about it (made for TV drama), but under their breath they are applauding it because - it GROOOOWWWWWWS government.

All one has to do - "as president" - is make a TV appearance/tweet and clue the voting base in on the Bill of Rights and Ending Incentives, and the problem will resolve on its own.

[voter1]

This feels like Obama's 3rd term.

[ATruepatriot]

Back in the old days before the FED was all powerful, human beings came by boat to Ellis Island and then had to work/fend for themselves. It did not matter what nationality one was... Irish, Italian, Polish, Mexican, German, etc. They homesteaded, and made a life for themselves and their families if they wanted to survive.

You don't think things have changed since? They changed long before Trump. That was when most people in civilization had courtesy and respect for each other. They had a general moral practice of hard work and honesty. The country was empty and needed people. And everyone could legally carry a firearm to protect themselves and make sure everyone respected each other.

How can ideology from over a hundred years ago even get close to being applied to current times? Absolutely no way... Those days are long gone and never coming back. Human civilization has now rotted past the point of no return. And it started happening before anyone now alive was even born, let alone Trump.

[voter1]

Would China be a threat if the US had a billion people?

[Superfluous Man]

You don't think things have changed since?

It looks to me like PAF's point is that they have changed, and that we should favor changing them back, rather than doubling down on progressivism.

[PAF]

You don't think things have changed since? They changed long before Trump. That was when most people in civilization had courtesy and respect for each other. They had a general moral practice of hard work and honesty. The country was empty and needed people. And everyone could legally carry a firearm to protect themselves and make sure everyone respected each other.

How can ideology from over a hundred years ago even get close to being applied to current times? Absolutely no way... Those days are long gone and never coming back. Human civilization has now rotted past the point of no return. And it started happening before anyone now alive was even born, let alone Trump.

What you seem to be strongly suggesting and supportive of, is that President Trump, and/or any other republican, is off the hook. No need to fire-side, tweet, etc. to "Set the Tone".

And that communism is the only way, and the Bill of Rights are indeed dead, so we may as well embrace Restrictionism, report companies to the Fed, and continue building the Great Empire to "register" (document) more people, so that in turn they can Fund more of the Fed.

Hmmm. Sorry, I do not support that route. I will continue my current path and hope to wake others up.

[PAF]

It looks to me like PAF's point is that they have changed, and that we should favor changing them back, rather than doubling down on progressivism.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Superfluous Man again.

[ATruepatriot]

It looks to me like PAF's point is that they have changed, and that we should favor changing them back, rather than doubling down on progressivism.

It will never happen unless we have a reset and return to a stone age lifestyle, kill off about 2/3rds of the population, and start over. It's now a runaway train that won't be stopped until it crashes. Rome will have to burn before it can ever be so again.

[voter1]

The US used to love personal responsibility, freedom, morality, peace, and balanced budgets.

Americans are now embracing welfare, tyranny, immorality, war, and debt.

Some Americans are not adjusting well to the changes and the hypocrisy.

You just need to go outside to see the insanity. Have you noticed the panhandlers, the illegal immigrants, the cashier high on drugs, a black man using his fingers while pretending to shoot you, the homosexual in the gym shower leering at you, the white man spitting, the fat girl wearing pajamas at the supermarket, and the old lady driving slow on purpose in the parking lot talking to herself?

People living in the US would think this was normal, but Americans don’t realize how far the USA has fallen until they travel abroad.

Being a fat, tattooed single mother in Vietnam would be shameful.

http://www.peopleofwalmart.com

How can Americans sleep at night while the US collapses or look in the mirror now without feeling disgusted?

[ATruepatriot]

What you seem to be strongly suggesting and supportive of, is that President Trump, and/or any other republican, is off the hook. No need to fire-side, tweet, etc. to "Set the Tone".

And that communism is the only way, and the Bill of Rights are indeed dead, so we may as well embrace Restrictionism, report companies to the Fed, and continue building the Great Empire to "register" (document) more people, so that in turn they can Fund more of the Fed.

Hmmm. Sorry, I do not support that route. I will continue my current path and hope to wake others up.

Don't put words in my mouth and twist it to politics, that is not at all what I'm saying and politics have nothing to do with it. I'm simply pointing out that what you want is just never going to be again ever. Those were times when we were a low population density Meritocracy and if you didn't sustain your own self you starved to death, in fact many did. I am purely looking at it from an objective historical perspective based on reality and examples of civilizations and cultures throughout history as a novice anthropologist. For it to ever go back to an environment you are wanting to see you will first have to change human nature across the board and this is never going to happen without a complete global reset...

[PAF]

Don't put words in my mouth and twist it to politics, that is not at all what I'm saying and politics have nothing to do with it. I'm simply pointing out that what you want is just never going to be again ever. Those were times when we were a low population density Meritocracy and if you didn't sustain your own self you starved to death, in fact many did. I am purely looking at it from an objective historical perspective based on reality and examples of civilizations and cultures throughout history as a novice anthropologist. For it to ever go back to an environment you are wanting to see you will first have to change human nature across the board and this is never going to happen without a complete global reset...

I did not mean to put words into your mouth.

The "Tone" has to change. I understand that this will never happen the way things are currently; Slanted Media, republicans who are NO different than democrats, Public Education, etc.

But it is up to us, and folks like Justin, Tom, Rand, and others to keep plugging away. And certainly End the FedDeptEd.

[ATruepatriot]

What you seem to be strongly suggesting and supportive of, is that President Trump, and/or any other republican, is off the hook. No need to fire-side, tweet, etc. to "Set the Tone".

And that communism is the only way, and the Bill of Rights are indeed dead, so we may as well embrace Restrictionism, report companies to the Fed, and continue building the Great Empire to "register" (document) more people, so that in turn they can Fund more of the Fed.

Hmmm. Sorry, I do not support that route. I will continue my current path and hope to wake others up.

But if you want to talk politics... You apparently have no knowledge of real history, 95% of socialistic (what you twist into republican "communistic") policy and violation of the bill of rights was implemented by the liberal democrats.

[ATruepatriot]

I did not mean to put words into your mouth.

The "Tone" has to change. I understand that this will never happen the way things are currently; Slanted Media, republicans who are NO different than democrats, Public Education, etc.

But it is up to us, and folks like Justin, Tom, Rand, and others to keep plugging away. And certainly End the FedDeptEd.

It is a valiant and righteous effort that I agree with. But it is still based on changing human nature for it to be successful. And this is just not going to happen, it has been tried for thousands of years now still with no success. It is based on everyone being honest and courteous to each other, this has to change first and good luck with that one.

[PAF]

But if you want to talk politics... You apparently have no knowledge of real history, 95% of socialistic (what you twist into republican "communistic") policy and violation of the bill of rights was implemented by the liberal democrats.

Here is what I know about history: The Centralists wanted a Centralized Government with a Central Constitution. The anti-feds warned against it, and the Central Constitution could not be ratified - that is until the 10 Bills of Rights were "stuck on" as an after thought.

The Bill of Rights are merely an outline of our Natural Rights. But the writers of the Constitution saw to it that "loopholes" would be slyly inserted into the Bill of Rights in order to yield power to the Fed.

While I believe the U.S. Constitution is better than most in the world, and that we must return to it, only when the people fully understand Natural Rights and actually embrace them can we truly have liberty.

[voter1]

Does anyone get the feeling that the Uniparty has been bought off by the elites?

[ATruepatriot]

Here is what I know about history: The Centralists wanted a Centralized Government with a Central Constitution. The anti-feds warned against it, and the Central Constitution could not be ratified - that is until the 10 Bills of Rights were "stuck on" as an after thought.

The Bill of Rights are merely an outline of our Natural Rights. But the writers of the Constitution saw to it that "loopholes" would be slyly inserted into the Bill of Rights in order to yield power to the Fed.

While I believe the U.S. Constitution is better than most in the world, and that we must return to it, only when the people fully understand Natural Rights and actually embrace them can we truly have liberty.

As a strict Constitutionalist I absolutely agree. But a study of real history will prove that these were respected and upheld until the Democrat party was formed. This was when the charter became a "living and fexible" charter and slowly these basic rights were diluted and redefined from that point up to date by the democrat party.

[Superfluous Man]

As a strict Constitutionalist I absolutely agree. But a study of real history will prove that these were respected and upheld until the Democrat party was formed. This was when the charter became a "living and fexible" charter and slowly these basic rights were diluted and redefined from that point up to date by the democrat party.

The Democrat Party goes all the way back to the founders. Jefferson was our first Democrat president. It's the Republican Party that was founded later, and it, indeed, was founded in part as a home here in America for displaced European socialists.

[PAF]

As a strict Constitutionalist I absolutely agree. But a study of real history will prove that these were respected and upheld until the Democrat party was formed. This was when the charter became a "living and fexible" charter and slowly these basic rights were diluted and redefined from that point up to date by the democrat party.


I agree also. The Centralists COUNTED on that happening - having had foresight and knowledge about most of history, and of course, sheep.

[ATruepatriot]

The Democrat Party goes all the way back to the founders. Jefferson was our first Democrat president. It's the Republican Party that was founded later, and it, indeed, was founded in part as a home here in America for displaced European socialists.

Do some background on socialist policies in this country... In fact check up on historical immigration bans. You will find that most of it came from the Democrats. The most shared immigration ban as being so wrong by the Democrats was the 1800s ban on the Chinese. It is always painted on the Republicans when in reality it was all implemented and passed by Ca liberal Democrat unions and politicians along with a Democrat President. It was actually the polar opposite of what the liberals now spout. Just like the slavery argument, slave owners and those supporting slavery were Democrats, in fact they are still slave owners through social manipulation, deception, and fraud. History is being twisted, distorted, or removed to further an end and far too many are trusting in this false historical narrative.

[ATruepatriot]

I agree also. The Centralists COUNTED on that happening - having had foresight and knowledge about most of history, and of course, sheep.

And now the Centralists are going global and we are embracing it. They are using us against ourselves because they know human nature can always be predicted and will not be changed.

[Ender]

Here is what I know about history: The Centralists wanted a Centralized Government with a Central Constitution. The anti-feds warned against it, and the Central Constitution could not be ratified - that is until the 10 Bills of Rights were "stuck on" as an after thought.

The Bill of Rights are merely an outline of our Natural Rights. But the writers of the Constitution saw to it that "loopholes" would be slyly inserted into the Bill of Rights in order to yield power to the Fed.

While I believe the U.S. Constitution is better than most in the world, and that we must return to it, only when the people fully understand Natural Rights and actually embrace them can we truly have liberty.

Yep.

^^^^THIS^^^^ is real history.

The CONstitution was a Hamiltonian coup to bring on a strong central government. The Anti-Federalists were correct.

People are "schooled" to worship the CONstitution without ever understanding what & why about the BoR or what real liberty is. The greatest American document, IMHPOV is the Declaration.

[PAF]

Yep.

^^^^THIS^^^^ is real history.

The CONstitution was a Hamiltonian coup to bring on a strong central government. The Anti-Federalists were correct.

People are "schooled" to worship the CONstitution without ever understanding what & why about the BoR or what real liberty is. The greatest American document, IMHPOV is the Declaration.


BINGO

[Ender]

Do some background on socialist policies in this country... In fact check up on historical immigration bans. You will find that most of it came from the Democrats. The most shared immigration ban as being so wrong by the Democrats was the 1800s ban on the Chinese. It is always painted on the Republicans when in reality it was all implemented and passed by Ca liberal Democrat unions and politicians along with a Democrat President. It was actually the polar opposite of what the liberals now spout. Just like the slavery argument, slave owners and those supporting slavery were Democrats, in fact they are still slave owners through social manipulation, deception, and fraud. History is being twisted, distorted, or removed to further an end and far too many are trusting in this false historical narrative.

Both parties used to be completely different than they are now-

Lincoln was a Republican & he destroyed what was left of state's rights, making the central gov the power it is now, exactly as Hamilton had planned.

[PAF]

And now the Centralists are going global and we are embracing it. They are using us against ourselves because they know human nature can always be predicted and will not be changed.

I am not embracing it.

I am not a Restrictionist. I do not endorse government Eminent Domain. I believe and endorse Private Contract Rights and will never turn a company in when engaged in such private contracts between consenting adults. I do not subscribe to "legal" documenting people so that they may gain access to free handouts, government imposed minimum wage and paying federal taxes to Fund the Fed.

I also do not endorse "FEMA Alerts" and do not want them on my personal phone. I do not endorse USMCA, "emergency" spending bills, catch all Omnibus, or minimum age to defend and protect oneself.

Today's "republican party" may endorse those communistic things. Pelosy and company does in fact behind closed doors. But I do not.

[ATruepatriot]

Both parties used to be completely different than they are now-

Lincoln was a Republican & he destroyed what was left of state's rights, making the central gov the power it is now, exactly as Hamilton had planned.

I will absolutely agree with this Ender. And this brings it right back full circle, it will never be as it was, human nature is far too predictable and they will always adapt as needed to manipulate this fact unless there is a reset. Look at how easy they do this. Until they become honest or we make them honest it's never going to happen. And the only way to truly make them honest is with a violent physical house cleaning. The train is steaming at full speed and cannot be stopped without very drastic action to crash it. Is this what we would want? because NAP sure ain't going to do it, realistically there is no peaceful way to stop this train. All we can hope to do if we want to slow it down peacefully is switch tracks and steer the train in a slightly better direction one switch at a time until it's direction is finally correct. And each switch takes a majority and great effort to pull and lock into place.

[ATruepatriot]

I am not embracing it.

I am not a Restrictionist. I do not endorse government Eminent Domain. I believe and endorse Private Contract Rights and will never turn a company in when engaged in such private contracts between consenting adults. I do not subscribe to "legal" documenting people so that they may gain access to free handouts, government imposed minimum wage and paying federal taxes to Fund the Fed.

I also do not endorse "FEMA Alerts" and do not want them on my personal phone. I do not endorse USMCA, "emergency" spending bills, catch all Omnibus, or minimum age to defend and protect oneself.

Today's "republican party" may endorse those communistic things. Pelosy and company does in fact behind closed doors. But I do not.

I'm not talking about you. I'm talking about our civilization and culture as a whole. You and I have absolutely no measurable influence on this human nature in whole and they are embracing it. As much as I hate it, I know that in the bigger picture there is very little I can do and will be forced to ride along. All I can do is try to pick a more comfortable seat for this unwanted train ride. The option to jump off was gone years ago, it's just moving too fast now.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

Good luck when someone who doesn't speak any English replaces you

[tfurrh]

If I was caught, the last thing I'd want would be to be flown to Oregon. Yuck

[enhanced_deficit]

MAGA is not perfect but critics like Coulter are too politically incorrect and go too far :


Ann Coulter: Trump Failing. Don't ask me to lie about it (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?531757-Ann-Coulter-Trump-Failing-Don-t-ask-me-to-lie-about-it&)
Coulter: Trump Will Not Finish Current Term, "joke presidency who scammed the American people"
As the Daily Caller (https://dailycaller.com/2018/12/19/trump-blowing-wall-opportunity/) details, President Donald Trump’s language regarding the wall he promised has been shifting in tone and he has seemingly backed off his assertion that he was willing to shut down the government this week if he didn’t get his wall funding. This change in tone is not going over well with some conservatives, and Ann Coulter didn’t hesitate to share her thoughts.
This isn’t the first time that Coulter has been critical of the president. However, her latest blast toward Trump does shake things up to an extent and some are stunned to see what kind of prediction she’s making about the president’s political future as a result of what’s happening with the wall now.
“Either Trump never intended to build a wall and was scamming voters from the beginning or he hasn’t the first idea in how to get it done and no interest in finding out. My prediction is his support will evaporate and Trump will very likely not finish his term and definitely not be elected to a second term.”




Other conservative voices are speaking out with criticism directed toward both Trump as well. However, the president isn’t the only target of their disdain at the moment. There is also anger directed toward more establishment Republicans in Congress who aren’t stepping up to fight for the wall funding that the president wants.
According to the Daily Beast (https://www.thedailybeast.com/ann-coulter-trump-will-have-no-legacy-whatsoever-without-wall), Coulter additionally noted that this current decision of Trump’s to back away from a shutdown over the border wall could permanently dismantle his legacy.“Trump will just have been a joke presidency who scammed the American people, amused the populists for a while, but he’ll have no legacy whatsoever.”

https://www.inquisitr.com/5216330/ann-coulter-predicts-donald-trump-will-not-finish-current-term-no-second-term-over-wall/


Ofcourse media is not passing any opportunity to add insult to injury:

Donald Trump's border wall may have just crumbled forever
Chris Cillizza, CNN Editor-at-large
https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/19/politics/donald-trump-border-wall/index.html

Worried about Trump’s fragile ego, Republicans negotiate the terms of his surrender
By Greg Sargent
December 19
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2018/12/19/worried-about-trumps-fragile-ego-republicans-negotiate-terms-his-surrender/


Conservative leader on Trump: 'He's a fraud and has betrayed us twice now' (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?519979-Conservative-leader-on-Trump-He-s-a-fraud-and-has-betrayed-us-twice-now&)



(http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?529411-MAGA-bends-to-Dems&p=6722300&viewfull=1#post6722300)
WALL FUNDING OFF TABLE
USA GIVING $4.8 BILLION TO MEXICO
(http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?529411-MAGA-bends-to-Dems&p=6722300&viewfull=1#post6722300) https://www.drudgereport.com/i/logo9.gif (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?529411-MAGA-bends-to-Dems&p=6722300&viewfull=1#post6722300)




Ann Coulter attacks Adelson on immigration and banning online gambling (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?449311-Ann-Coulter-attacks-Adelson-on-immigration-and-banning-online-gambling)

[ATruepatriot]

MAGA is not perfect but critics like Coulter are too politically incorrect and go too far :


Ann Coulter: Trump Failing. Don't ask me to lie about it (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?531757-Ann-Coulter-Trump-Failing-Don-t-ask-me-to-lie-about-it&)
Coulter: Trump Will Not Finish Current Term, "joke presidency who scammed the American people"
As the Daily Caller (https://dailycaller.com/2018/12/19/trump-blowing-wall-opportunity/) details, President Donald Trump’s language regarding the wall he promised has been shifting in tone and he has seemingly backed off his assertion that he was willing to shut down the government this week if he didn’t get his wall funding. This change in tone is not going over well with some conservatives, and Ann Coulter didn’t hesitate to share her thoughts.
This isn’t the first time that Coulter has been critical of the president. However, her latest blast toward Trump does shake things up to an extent and some are stunned to see what kind of prediction she’s making about the president’s political future as a result of what’s happening with the wall now.
“Either Trump never intended to build a wall and was scamming voters from the beginning or he hasn’t the first idea in how to get it done and no interest in finding out. My prediction is his support will evaporate and Trump will very likely not finish his term and definitely not be elected to a second term.”




Other conservative voices are speaking out with criticism directed toward both Trump as well. However, the president isn’t the only target of their disdain at the moment. There is also anger directed toward more establishment Republicans in Congress who aren’t stepping up to fight for the wall funding that the president wants.
According to the Daily Beast (https://www.thedailybeast.com/ann-coulter-trump-will-have-no-legacy-whatsoever-without-wall), Coulter additionally noted that this current decision of Trump’s to back away from a shutdown over the border wall could permanently dismantle his legacy.“Trump will just have been a joke presidency who scammed the American people, amused the populists for a while, but he’ll have no legacy whatsoever.”

https://www.inquisitr.com/5216330/ann-coulter-predicts-donald-trump-will-not-finish-current-term-no-second-term-over-wall/


Ofcourse media is not passing any opportunity to add insult to injury:

Donald Trump's border wall may have just crumbled forever
Chris Cillizza, CNN Editor-at-large
https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/19/politics/donald-trump-border-wall/index.html

Worried about Trump’s fragile ego, Republicans negotiate the terms of his surrender
By Greg Sargent
December 19
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2018/12/19/worried-about-trumps-fragile-ego-republicans-negotiate-terms-his-surrender/


Conservative leader on Trump: 'He's a fraud and has betrayed us twice now' (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?519979-Conservative-leader-on-Trump-He-s-a-fraud-and-has-betrayed-us-twice-now&)



(http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?529411-MAGA-bends-to-Dems&p=6722300&viewfull=1#post6722300)
WALL FUNDING OFF TABLE
USA GIVING $4.8 BILLION TO MEXICO
(http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?529411-MAGA-bends-to-Dems&p=6722300&viewfull=1#post6722300) https://www.drudgereport.com/i/logo9.gif (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?529411-MAGA-bends-to-Dems&p=6722300&viewfull=1#post6722300)




Ann Coulter attacks Adelson on immigration and banning online gambling (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?449311-Ann-Coulter-attacks-Adelson-on-immigration-and-banning-online-gambling)

She is an outright extreme radical racist and only mad at Trump because he is not stopping the brown people fast enough for her liking.

[freespeak]

Just like prison inmates, Americans are turning on each other rather than attacking the prison guards that are enslaving us.

Part of the reason the US is collapsing now is that Americans have tunnel vision and are being distracted and divided about what the biggest problem is.

Some Americans think the main issue is illegal immigrants, homosexuals, statues, or Russian election hacking when the real problem is that the elites control the corporations, the media, and the government and have turned the USA into a bankrupt warmongering police state.

Unless the 99% unites and agrees the real enemy is the ruling class that has rigged and corrupted the US, the 1% will continue their destruction until there is an economic crash, civil war, WWIII, and Americans end up in concentration camps.

Wake up.

Think.

Spread the word.

[enhanced_deficit]

She is an outright extreme radical racist and only mad at Trump because he is not stopping the brown people fast enough for her liking.

Wait, are you implying all critics of MAGA not happy with his performance on the border issue are racially motivated or just Coulter?

From various reports, impression one gets is that large part of conservative base on border issue aligns with Coulter, Tucker Carlson, Breitbart views.

[Swordsmyth]

Wait, are you implying all critics of MAGA not happy with his performance on the border issue are racially motivated or just Coulter?

From various reports, impression one gets is that large part of conservative base on border issue aligns with Coulter, Tucker Carlson, Breitbart views.
Anyone with any brains who isn't a never-Trumper or taking money from them knows he is doing the best he can.

[freelibertarian]

If Obamacare has not been repealed, the trade deficit is rising, the debt is increasing, the US is still at war, the Bill of Rights has not been restored, there is no wall, and Assange is in jail, but Clinton isn't, is Trump any different from Obama?

WTF?

3D chess, right?

[ATruepatriot]

Wait, are you implying all critics of MAGA not happy with his performance on the border issue are racially motivated or just Coulter?

From various reports, impression one gets is that large part of conservative base on border issue aligns with Coulter, Tucker Carlson, Breitbart views.

I can only say Coulter is purely racially motivated for sure. Her racism started way back when she wanted to nuke the whole middle east and has just gotten worse since to include all brown people period. The only reason she gets mad at Trump is because he keeps getting blocked and obstructed from securing the borders and not stopping brown people fast enough for her liking. She is happy with him when something is getting done, and then unhappy with him when it is delayed for some reason. She is a pure radical "stop all brown people right now and throw them all out" kind of racist who doesn't even want any brown "legal" immigration let alone "illegal" immigration. As for the others, I have only observed a dislike for "illegal" immigration like myself. Unlike many, I am actually intelligent enough to understand that there is a difference between legal and illegal no matter the origin or race or culture.

[libertychick]

Americans used to believe in freedom.


http://www.naplesnews.com/story/opinion/contributors/2017/07/01/commentary-land-free-and-home-brave/427082001/

Now Americans would need to be mentally ill to think tyranny won’t get worse.

Who would have thought in 1980 that the USA would soon have curfews, gun bans, NSA wiretapping, checkpoints, forfeiture, the end to the right to silence, free speech bans, torture, kill lists, no fly lists, searches without warrants, private prisons, mandatory minimums, 3 strikes laws, DNA databases, CISPA, SOPA, NDAA, IMBRA, FBAR, FATCA, TSA groping, secret FISA courts, and Jade Helm?

During the Wild West in the US, everyone could carry guns, businesses were not licensed, no one had Social Security numbers, there were no sales, income, or property taxes, and drugs, alcohol, smoking, gambling, and prostitution were legal.

There was little government, yet people lived and had freedom.

http://www.harrybrowne.com/GLO/DrugWar.htm (http://www.harrybrowne.com/GLO/DrugWar.htm)

The government today is regulating every area of everyone’s life.

The government wants to tell us what to do, what to think, where to live, how to live, what to wear, and what to eat. Saying you live in a free country with a straight face is difficult when everything is illegal.

How can anyone take the moral high ground on anything when we are all criminals?

In the US, your body is not your body, your property is not your property, and your kid is not your kid.

Government is not the solution to problems. Government IS the problem.

Alcohol prohibition failed. The Soviet Union failed.

http://www.bradford-delong.com/2008/02/why-the-soviet.html (http://www.bradford-delong.com/2008/02/why-the-soviet.html)

Anyone who supports the police state is just a tool for the elites.

Too bad Americans are surrendering liberty so easily.

Why did the USA fight for freedom against the British, Hitler, and Saddam if America just ended up as a police state? All those American soldiers died in vain.

The elites are trying to weaken and divide Americans by race, gender, handicap, penalizing hard work, encouraging welfare use, and pushing immorality while using fear, terrorism, drugs, false flags, discrimination, hate speech, Russian propaganda, and fake news laws, and wars on cash to make Americans give up their free speech rights, religious freedom, guns, right to silence, privacy, property, right to trials, freedom from torture, and the freedom from extrajudicial assassination.

https://fee.org/articles/the-growth-of-government-in-america/ (https://fee.org/articles/the-growth-of-government-in-america/)

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Wake up.

Think.

Pass the word.

https://www.godlikeproductions.com

[Swordsmyth]

Americans used to believe in freedom.


http://www.naplesnews.com/story/opinion/contributors/2017/07/01/commentary-land-free-and-home-brave/427082001/

Now Americans would need to be mentally ill to think tyranny won’t get worse.

Who would have thought in 1980 that the USA would soon have curfews, gun bans, NSA wiretapping, checkpoints, forfeiture, the end to the right to silence, free speech bans, torture, kill lists, no fly lists, searches without warrants, private prisons, mandatory minimums, 3 strikes laws, DNA databases, CISPA, SOPA, NDAA, IMBRA, FBAR, FATCA, TSA groping, secret FISA courts, and Jade Helm?

During the Wild West in the US, everyone could carry guns, businesses were not licensed, no one had Social Security numbers, there were no sales, income, or property taxes, and drugs, alcohol, smoking, gambling, and prostitution were legal.

There was little government, yet people lived and had freedom.

http://www.harrybrowne.com/GLO/DrugWar.htm (http://www.harrybrowne.com/GLO/DrugWar.htm)

The government today is regulating every area of everyone’s life.

The government wants to tell us what to do, what to think, where to live, how to live, what to wear, and what to eat. Saying you live in a free country with a straight face is difficult when everything is illegal.

How can anyone take the moral high ground on anything when we are all criminals?

In the US, your body is not your body, your property is not your property, and your kid is not your kid.

Government is not the solution to problems. Government IS the problem.

Alcohol prohibition failed. The Soviet Union failed.

http://www.bradford-delong.com/2008/02/why-the-soviet.html (http://www.bradford-delong.com/2008/02/why-the-soviet.html)

Anyone who supports the police state is just a tool for the elites.

Too bad Americans are surrendering liberty so easily.

Why did the USA fight for freedom against the British, Hitler, and Saddam if America just ended up as a police state? All those American soldiers died in vain.

The elites are trying to weaken and divide Americans by race, gender, handicap, penalizing hard work, encouraging welfare use, and pushing immorality while using fear, terrorism, drugs, false flags, discrimination, hate speech, Russian propaganda, and fake news laws, and wars on cash to make Americans give up their free speech rights, religious freedom, guns, right to silence, privacy, property, right to trials, freedom from torture, and the freedom from extrajudicial assassination.

https://fee.org/articles/the-growth-of-government-in-america/ (https://fee.org/articles/the-growth-of-government-in-america/)

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Wake up.

Think.

Pass the word.

https://www.godlikeproductions.com


Brian4Liberty

dcliberty has yet another sockpuppet.

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I can only say Coulter is purely racially motivated for sure. Her racism started way back when she wanted to nuke the whole middle east and has just gotten worse since to include all brown people period. The only reason she gets mad at Trump is because he keeps getting blocked and obstructed from securing the borders and not stopping brown people fast enough for her liking. She is happy with him when something is getting done, and then unhappy with him when it is delayed for some reason. She is a pure radical "stop all brown people right now and throw them all out" kind of racist who doesn't even want any brown "legal" immigration let alone "illegal" immigration. As for the others, I have only observed a dislike for "illegal" immigration like myself. Unlike many, I am actually intelligent enough to understand that there is a difference between legal and illegal no matter the origin or race or culture.

Assuming from above that you're pretty anti-racism.
If so, curious what is your stance on MAGA, do you see his stances racially motivated also?



https://images.dailykos.com/images/546369/large/birther1.jpg?1527306437
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Or do you find credible some conspiracy theories reported in media recently (apparently also being subscribed by some Far Right anti-semitic groups (https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2018/10/repost.png) also) that he only pretended to be 'racist' as some sort of voter outreach to Far Right before elections / is a 'fake racist' etc?

[Swordsmyth]

Assuming from above that you're pretty anti-racism.
If so, curious what is your stance on MAGA, do you see his stances racially motivated also?



https://images.dailykos.com/images/546369/large/birther1.jpg?1527306437
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/05/25/10/34992BC400000578-3608359-image-a-19_1464169137802.jpg
https://storage1.grabien.com/clipsbank/0314/framelarge/314455.jpg





Or do you find credible some conspiracy theories reported in media recently (apparently also being subscribed by some Far Right anti-semitic groups (https://heavyeditorial.files.wordpress.com/2018/10/repost.png) also) that he only pretended to be 'racist' as some sort of voter outreach to Far Right before elections / is a 'fake racist' etc?

There is nothing racist about Trump's statements.

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https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/05/25/10/34992BC400000578-3608359-image-a-19_1464169137802.jpg

There is nothing racist about Trump's statements.


If Coulter, Steve Bannon or some 'anti-nepotism' activist not happy with MAGA's son-in-law's role in US foreign/domestic policies said following, this would not be racist/collectivist?



Racist Or not: "He did such a bad job on xyz issue, America would not elect another President with Jewish son-in-law" for generations?

[Swordsmyth]

If Coulter, Steve Bannon or some 'anti-nepotism' activist not happy with MAGA's son-in-law's role in US foreign/domestic policies said following, this would not be racist/collectivist?
No, it would be an opinion on the public being racist/collectivist just like what Trump said.

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No, it would be an opinion on the public being racist/collectivist just like what Trump said.

So, you're saying MAGA sees US public as racist.. and you agree with his view?

By extension, do you think he exploited/used to his adavantage such racist attitudes to win election?

Lastly, do you see him as racist?

[Swordsmyth]

So, you're saying MAGA sees US public as racist.. and you agree with his view?
His statement implies that and I never endorsed his statement.


By extension, do you think he exploited/used to his adavantage such racist attitudes to win election?
Hitlery is Black?


Lastly, do you see him as racist?
No.

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There is nothing racist about Trump's statements.


His statement implies that and I never endorsed his statement.


In a nutshell, there is nothing wrong with his statements that you don't endorse... am I reading your view correctly?

[Swordsmyth]

In a nutshell, there is nothing wrong with his statements that you don't endorse... am I reading your view correctly?
LOL

Don't play stupid games.
I said there wasn't anything racist about the statement NOT that there was nothing wrong with it, he can be wrong without being racist.

[enhanced_deficit]

LOL

What specifically is wrong with MAGA's above statement?

Anyway thanks for playing, if needed we can continue splitting hairs another time :)

[Swordsmyth]

LOL

What specifically is wrong with MAGA's above statement?
The implication that Americans are racist/collectivist.

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The implication that Americans are racist/collectivist.

Ok thanks for very nuanced explanation to help sort this out.

So in conclusion, if Steve Bannon, Coulter or some other anti-nepotism GOP activist made following statement, it won't be racist but would be just wrong:


Racist Or not: "He did such a bad job on xyz issue, America would not elect another President with Jewish son-in-law for generations" ?

[Swordsmyth]

Ok thanks for very nunaced explanation to help sort this out.

So in conclusion, if Steve Bannon, Coulter or some other anti-nepotism GOP activist made following statement, it won't be racist but would be just wrong:
Exactly.

[Galt9]

Defending the government just gets tougher everyday.

[invisible]

How can ideology from over a hundred years ago even get close to being applied to current times? Absolutely no way... Those days are long gone and never coming back.

This is exactly what every liberal, neocon, trumpette, and shyll says whenever they argue for shredding the Constitution and Bill Of Rights, and rejecting the principles that our country was founded on.

[PAF]

This is exactly what every liberal, neocon, trumpette, and shyll says whenever they argue for shredding the Constitution and Bill Of Rights, and rejecting the principles that our country was founded on.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++ REP

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This is exactly what every liberal, neocon, trumpette, and shyll says whenever they argue for shredding the Constitution and Bill Of Rights, and rejecting the principles that our country was founded on.

Perhaps they want updates to the Constitution for today's liberal, socialist leaning society.

Neocons two favorite lines during Iraqi freedom war used to be :

1- Constitution is not a death warrant
2- Fight them over there so we don't have to figh them over here


But to give credit where due, brilliant political craftsmanship by Dems/neocons financiers the way they have taken over both major parties. Probably the best 3D political acrobats in modern history.

[nyvoter]

When our overlords make a decree, they always sell it as a minor temporary law that only affects Muslims, junkies, sex offenders, homosexuals, illegal immigrants, or blacks. The 1% doesn’t mention that the law will become permanent and more draconian.


No one cares if owning cows are illegal, yoga pants are illegal, teen driving is illegal, or smoking is illegal. The problem is what happens when your job is banned, the government steals your house, tortures your family, or sends you to the concentration camps.

Are you just going to take it?

Do you want to lose your free speech rights because prostitutes exist?

Do you want to lose your right to protest because protesters might break windows?

Do you want newspapers closed by the government because fake news exists?

Do you think US drones killing civilians in Syria is acceptable because drones will never be used in the US?

Do you want to lose your gun rights because a black person might buy one?

Do you want a wall that will be used to keep you IN?

Do you want Trump to become a dictator to kick out illegal immigrants?

Do you think mass arrests of illegal aliens won't be used against Americans?

Do you like being wiretapped, tortured, and TSA groping because of Muslims?

Do you think losing your property rights is acceptable to stop drugs?

Think.