Navy illegally spied on accused SEAL and his defense team

[Swordsmyth]

Military prosecutors seeking the source of news leaks in the case of a Navy SEAL accused of murder misled a judge to get permission to track emails sent to defense lawyers and a journalist, an attorney said Tuesday after reviewing newly released investigation documents.
Navy investigators and the prosecutor didn't get warrants or the necessary approval from higher-ups to investigate civilians, attorney Tim Parlatore told The Associated Press. They also snooped on emails of military lawyers and judges in the case.
"Everything I've suspected turned out to be true," Parlatore said. "The prosecutor did participate in the spying on the defense ... the prosecutor did lie to the court."


Parlatore, who represents Special Operations Chief Edward Gallagher at his court-martial, declined to provide details, saying he would do so Wednesday in a San Diego military courtroom.
Gallagher is charged with killing a wounded Islamic State prisoner under his care in Iraq (https://abcnews.go.com/alerts/Iraq) in 2017.
Dozens of Republican congressmen have championed Gallagher's cause, claiming he's an innocent war hero being unfairly prosecuted. President Donald Trump (https://abcnews.go.com/alerts/DonaldTrump) got him moved from the brig to better confinement in a military hospital with access to his lawyers and family.
Revelations about the extent of the leak probe come amid efforts by defense lawyers to have prosecutors and a judge removed just a week before Gallagher is scheduled to face trial at Naval Base San Diego.
The documents — about 180 pages of investigation reports — were turned over to Parlatore in advance of the hearing on whether to put the case on hold while he finds out what prosecutors and the judge knew before allowing the targeting of defense lawyers and Navy Times editor and reporter Carl Prine.

Gallagher has pleaded not guilty to all counts. His lawyers said he did not murder anyone and disgruntled SEALs made the accusations because they wanted to get rid of a demanding platoon leader.


Gallagher's supervisor, Lt. Jacob Portier, is fighting charges of conduct unbecoming an officer for allegedly conducting Gallagher's re-enlistment ceremony next to the corpse.
Parlatore said the leak investigation also targeted Portier's civilian attorney, Jeremiah J. Sullivan III and attorney Brian Ferguson, who represents SEAL witnesses in the case.
The tracking software embedded in an unusual logo of an American flag with a bald eagle perched on the scales of justice beneath the signature of lead prosecutor Cmdr. Christopher Czaplak was discovered two weeks ago by defense lawyers. Two days later, the prosecutor acknowledged the scheme in a closed-door hearing, but refused to provide details.
The discovery has led to criticism that the prosecution trampled on press freedoms and violated the defendants' rights to a fair trial.
Capt. David Wilson, chief of staff for the Navy's Defense Service Offices, wrote a scathing memo this week saying the lack of transparency has led to mistrust by defense lawyers in whether attorney-client communications are secure on the Navy-Marine Corps Intranet. An Air Force lawyer representing Portier had his computer and phone seized for review.
"The Air Force is treating this malware as a cyber-intrusion on their network," Wilson said.
Parlatore said the documents show intelligence specialists conducted deep background checks on the lawyers and Prine, who has broken several stories based on documents under court order not to be shared with news media. The reports he reviewed indicate they found nothing on the lawyers or Prine.
He said most of the leaks have benefited the prosecution's narrative and the likely leakers were on the government side of the case or in the Naval Criminal Investigative Service.
"The leakers are investigating the non-leakers and, funny, they found nothing," Parlatore said.

More at: https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/seals-lawyer-navy-spied-defense-approval-63188294

[Brian4Liberty]

The fact that he has a “defense team” is all the proof that is needed. He is obviously uncooperative, evasive and hindering this investigation. Obstruction charges should be coming next. Welcome to Soviet Amerika.

[Swordsmyth]

The fact that he has a “defense team” is all the proof that is needed. He is obviously uncooperative, evasive and hindering this investigation. Obstruction charges should be coming next. Welcome to Soviet Amerika.
Maybe Amash can call for his head on a pike.
Revealing this is obstruction too, of course.

[UWDude]

Seal team "six" found out what happens when you make a deal with the devil.

[Swordsmyth]

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1134262247696490496

1134262247696490496

[RonZeplin]

If the Trumpkin JBT team gets the judge & prosecutor removed, that will be Obstruction Of Justice for sure.

[angelatc]

Maybe Amash can call for his head on a pike.
Revealing this is obstruction too, of course.

You have ADS.

[r3volution 3.0]

I'd wager that this SEAL didn't give a shit about due process until its absence affected him personally.

...rather like the current President.

If that's so, count me unsypathetic.

[tfurrh]

You have ADS.

Nice

[angelatc]

I barely recognize these forums. Et tu, Brian?


Gallagher is charged with killing a wounded Islamic State prisoner under his care in Iraq in 2017.

This prick is a fucking nut job, the kind of psycho that the GOP worships, I guess. If you're not familiar with the story, a captive was being treated my a medic. Two other SEALS reported that Gallagher said, "He's mine!" over a radio then walked up to the prisoner and stabbed him to death with a hunting knife, then texted his buddy a picture of his "kill."

And SS posted it only to make it about Amash and Trump, because everything that happens now is about how poor little Don is just another Great American being prosecuted by the swamp.

Get a grip.

Gallagher is every bit as nuts as Chris Kyle was.
.

[r3volution 3.0]

I barely recognize these forums. Et tu, Brian?

This prick is a fucking nut job, the kind of psycho that the GOP worships, I guess. If you're not familiar with the story, a captive was being treated my a medic. Two other SEALS reported that Gallagher said, "He's mine!" over a radio then walked up to the prisoner and stabbed him to death with a hunting knife, then texted his buddy a picture of his "kill."

And SS posted it only to make it about Amash and Trump, because everything that happens now is about how poor little Don is just another Great American being prosecuted by the swamp.

Get a grip.

Gallagher is every bit as nuts as Chris Kyle was.
.

You mean, if you don't want to die in a pointless war, you shouldn't sign up?

[RonZeplin]

You mean, if you don't want to die in a pointless war, you shouldn't sign up?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NzFJxX8yoY

By the grace of God, I was able to avoid going to Vietnam even though I was drafted.

[angelatc]

You mean, if you don't want to die in a pointless war, you shouldn't sign up?

I don't think Gallagher was averse to dying in any war. I don't know anything about him, other than the crimes he's accused of, but pretty sure the SEALs don't recruit anybody who isn't full of "Merica."

[r3volution 3.0]

Meanwhile, other poor fuckers who had no choice at all are still alive and still suffering.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7qkQewyubs

[r3volution 3.0]

I don't think Gallagher was averse to dying in any war. I don't know anything about him, other than the crimes he's accused of, but pretty sure the SEALs don't recruit anybody who isn't full of "Merica."

They're not preparing the beaches for the Marine invasion of Okinawa.

They're just fit guys who want to kill people (who would be slaughtered in a real war).

And they're volunteers.

So, they get killed doing the bidding of an evil government, for whom they volunteered their services? Fuck them.

Not one taxpayer penny should be spent; bury them at sea.

[Swordsmyth]

You have ADS.
I don't want him to lose his seat, that proves I have ADS.

[Swordsmyth]

I barely recognize these forums. Et tu, Brian?



This prick is a $#@!ing nut job, the kind of psycho that the GOP worships, I guess. If you're not familiar with the story, a captive was being treated my a medic. Two other SEALS reported that Gallagher said, "He's mine!" over a radio then walked up to the prisoner and stabbed him to death with a hunting knife, then texted his buddy a picture of his "kill."

And SS posted it only to make it about Amash and Trump, because everything that happens now is about how poor little Don is just another Great American being prosecuted by the swamp.

Get a grip.

Gallagher is every bit as nuts as Chris Kyle was.
.
I don't know or care about Gallagher's guilt or innocence, he claims that the witnesses against him are lying but that isn't the point and I didn't post it to make an issue about Amash or I would have said something in the OP instead of only mentioning Amash in a reply.

This is about the government abusing its powers to spy and railroading people whether they are guilty or innocent.
But I guess that is popular around here since Amash endorsed it.

Welcome to Amash Forums where investigatory and prosecutorial misconduct are applauded as long as they target people we don't like.


If you know more about this case than I do and are so sure the SEAL is guilty of a crime and just a horrible human being because he wanted to serve his country then you should be twice as outraged at the misconduct that let him off the hook.

[angelatc]

I don't want him to lose his seat, that proves I have ADS.

Yeah, my father in law didn't believe he had cancer either. The fact that you mentioned Amash in this thread indicates you have ADS.

[angelatc]

I don't know or care about Gallagher's guilt or innocence, he claims that the witnesses against him are lying but that isn't the point and I didn't post it to make an issue about Amash or I would have said something in the OP instead of only mentioning Amash in a reply.

This is about the government abusing its powers to spy and railroading people whether they are guilty or innocent.
But I guess that is popular around here since Amash endorsed it.

Welcome to Amash Forums where investigatory and prosecutorial misconduct are applauded as long as they target people we don't like.


If you know more about this case than I do and are so sure the SEAL is guilty of a crime and just a horrible human being because he wanted to serve his country then you should be twice as outraged at the misconduct that let him off the hook.

This is the government spying on itself. Personally, I don't give a flying fuck.

[Swordsmyth]

This is the government spying on itself.
No it isn't, it is the government spying on a defense team in a n investigation and prosecution.



Personally, I don't give a flying $#@!.
Exactly, you don't care about tyranny if it hits people you don't like.
You don't even have the sense to object to the fact that the government risked undermining the case against someone you believe to be guilty and lost the bet so he gets off.

[Swordsmyth]

Another Navy SEAL steps up at the Gallagher trial, says he killed the prisoner, not Gallagher. (https://www.theepochtimes.com/medic-testifies-that-he-not-navy-seal-edward-gallagher-killed-isis-terrorist_2972125.html) The other SEAL was a prosecution witness, testifying with complete immunity, although the news said since this testimony may differ from previous testimony, he might be open to a perjury charge.

[phill4paul]

Who gives a shit. You unleash the dogs of war you cannot say 'bad dog' when it does your bidding. This isn't My Lai.

And all the libertarians here will cry fowl!

So where does your NAP leave you? Endlessly excoriating others on social media?

If it offends you soooo much. Then fucking do something about it.
Become aggressive.

No? Then you are no different then most here, so fuck off with feelings of superiority.

Because we are all cowards when it comes down to it.

None willing to put life, liberty or property on the line for the gaining of it.

In the end THAT is what it is going to take.

[jmdrake]

I don't want him to lose his seat, that proves I have ADS.

I don't want Trump to be impeached and yet your side repeatedly accuses me of TDS. Quick question. If there is an Amash money bomb will you donate?

[jmdrake]

I don't know or care about Gallagher's guilt or innocence, he claims that the witnesses against him are lying but that isn't the point and I didn't post it to make an issue about Amash or I would have said something in the OP instead of only mentioning Amash in a reply.

This is about the government abusing its powers to spy and railroading people whether they are guilty or innocent.
But I guess that is popular around here since Amash endorsed it.

Welcome to Amash Forums where investigatory and prosecutorial misconduct are applauded as long as they target people we don't like.


If you know more about this case than I do and are so sure the SEAL is guilty of a crime and just a horrible human being because he wanted to serve his country then you should be twice as outraged at the misconduct that let him off the hook.

But you mentioned Amash in reply to a post that had nothing to do with Amash. Interesting. If Galleger now threatens witnesses and suborns pejury is that okay in your opinion just because there's now evidence of prosecutorial misconduct?

[Swordsmyth]

I don't want Trump to be impeached and yet your side repeatedly accuses me of TDS. Quick question. If there is an Amash money bomb will you donate?
I might, I can't commit because my finances are tight but if I didn't it would be because of that and not because of his actions so far. (although I am afraid that he is going to start sliding farther to the left to please his new friends.

[Swordsmyth]

But you mentioned Amash in reply to a post that had nothing to do with Amash. Interesting. If Galleger now threatens witnesses and suborns pejury is that okay in your opinion just because there's now evidence of prosecutorial misconduct?
I mentioned Amash in this thread because I had just been arguing with Angela and others about the same principle regarding Trump/Amash in other threads and then she came here and sided with the corrupt prosecutors again.

The original investigation here was certainly legal and valid so it isn't the same as Trump vs. Mueller and even with an illegal investigation you can't commit acts that are crimes by themselves, you just can't be charged with obstructing justice for acts that aren't criminal but that interfere with the illegal investigation.
Trump hasn't done anything that would be obstruction even against a legal investigation anyway.

[jmdrake]

I might, I can't commit because my finances are tight but if I didn't it would be because of that and not because of his actions so far. (although I am afraid that he is going to start sliding farther to the left to please his new friends.

Fair enough.


I mentioned Amash in this thread because I had just been arguing with Angela and others about the same principle regarding Trump/Amash in other threads and then she came here and sided with the corrupt prosecutors again.

The original investigation here was certainly legal and valid so it isn't the same as Trump vs. Mueller and even with an illegal investigation you can't commit acts that are crimes by themselves, you just can't be charged with obstructing justice for acts that aren't criminal but that interfere with the illegal investigation.
Trump hasn't done anything that would be obstruction even against a legal investigation anyway.

You might be surprised to know this, even though I've said this multiple times, but based on the evidence I'm not convinced Trump obstructed justice. I consider that a complete and separate question as to whether the investigation was legit ab initio. If there was no Steele dossier I would still consider the objection argument shaky. I haven't read the Mueller report itself, but I have read this analysis.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/obstruction-justice-mueller-report-heat-map

Only 4 of the 14 allegations fit evidence of "obstructive act, nexus and intent." Of those 4, I only see 2 that I personally find problematic, "Order to McGann to deny attempt to fire Mueller" and "Conduct toward Manifort (cooperation)." The report hedges on whether Trump believed that reports about whether or not he was trying to fire Mueller were true. And with Manifort there is no evidence of a bribe as an inducement but rather "positive messages" that later turned to "attacks and intimidation." I am assuming all of this happened through Twitter as that is Trumps primary means of communication. Had the "positive messages" and "attacks and intimidation" been through direct contact (email, phone calls etc) that would be a clear case of witness tampering. But making public statements that you know a witness is going to find out about? That's really untested waters IMO. That said, I could see a reasonable person reading the same report and going "Trump asked a witness to lie on his behalf (McGann) and he tried to induce and later intimidate another witness into not cooperating" (Cohen).

I don't think Trump's attempt to fire Mueller counts as obstruction because of the email leaks that showed Mueller had biased people on his investigation team. Yes Mueller ultimately fired them after that information came out, but that does raise questions about Mueller's judgement in a way that the Steele dossier, which happened pre-Mueller, does not.

[Swordsmyth]

Navy SEAL Eddie Gallagher Found Not Guilty Of Murder By Military Court (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-02/navy-seal-eddie-gallagher-found-not-guilty-murder-military-court)

[Swordsmyth]

Navy SEAL Eddie Gallagher (https://www.foxnews.com/us/navy-seal-edward-gallagher-found-not-guilty-on-murder-and-attempted-murder-charges) will have his rank reduced and is sentenced to four months of confinement, which he has already served, for posing with the body of a dead Islamic State fighter, the San Diego jury decided Wednesday.
Gallagher's attorney confirmed to Fox News that he will retire from the U.S. Navy when he becomes eligible in about three weeks as he hits his 20 years of service.
The SEAL was found not guilty Tuesday on six of the most serious counts he was facing, including premeditated murder, willfully discharging a firearm to endanger human life, retaliation against members of his platoon for reporting his alleged actions, obstruction of justice and the attempted murders of two noncombatants.
"I feel fine. It’s all right, you know? The jury came with a verdict. I trust them," Gallagher told Fox News after his sentencing Wednesday, which stipulates his rank will be reduced to an E6 paygrade, affecting both his pay and his benefits. A jury also sentenced the SEAL to pay $2,697 per month for four months.

More at: https://www.foxnews.com/us/navy-seal-eddie-gallagher-sentenced-to-reduced-rank-partial-pay-after-being-cleared-of-murder-charges

[XNavyNuke]

And just think, you read RPF and you're weeks ahead of the award-wininng journalists at Salon.

The curious case of Eddie Gallagher: Did Donald Trump help a Navy SEAL get away with murder?
https://www.salon.com/2019/07/05/the-curious-case-of-eddie-gallagher-did-donald-trump-help-a-navy-seal-get-away-with-murder/


Trump is either taking credit for the outcome of a criminal trial or admitting he interfering with it. Either possibility is deeply concerning.

If only there was SOMEONE is Congress who would call for a Special Counsel to investigate this.

XNN

[Swordsmyth]

The Navy (https://www.foxnews.com/category/us/military/navy) has dismissed charges against Navy SEAL (https://www.foxnews.com/us/navy-seals-top-officer-admits-we-have-a-problem-after-series-of-scandals-memo) Edward Gallagher’s platoon leader and ordered a review of its justice system.
Lt. Jacob Portier was charged with covering up war crimes (https://www.foxnews.com/us/war-criminals-among-us-inside-the-quiet-effort-to-prosecute-and-deport-violators-disguised-as-refugees) in connection with the Gallagher prosecution and faced trial in September.
“Chief of Naval Operations Adm. John Richardson today dismissed all charges in the case of Lt. Jacob Portier,” a Navy statement said Thursday, according to the San Diego News-Tribune. “Richardson took this action in the best interest of justice and the Navy.”


Richardson also ordered a review of the Navy’s Judge Advocate General Corps, which prosecuted Gallagher and Portier.
“Recent events indicate a need to review the leadership and performance of the (JAG) Corps,” Richardson said in a memo, according to the paper.


Richardson intervened a day after President Trump ordered the secretary of the Navy on Wednesday to strip prosecutors of medals they were awarded for their handling of the case despite the fact Gallagher was acquitted on the most serious charges.
The admiral also blocked prosecutors from taking any action against Special Warfare Operator 1st Class Corey Scott who stunned the court when he said he killed the teenage ISIS militant, not Gallagher. The testimony contradicted other SEALS who pointed the finger at Gallagher.

More at: https://www.foxnews.com/us/navy-drops-charges-against-seal-edward-gallaghers-platoon-leader-orders-jag-review

[phill4paul]

The Navy (https://www.foxnews.com/category/us/military/navy) has dismissed charges against Navy SEAL (https://www.foxnews.com/us/navy-seals-top-officer-admits-we-have-a-problem-after-series-of-scandals-memo) Edward Gallagher’s platoon leader and ordered a review of its justice system.
Lt. Jacob Portier was charged with covering up war crimes (https://www.foxnews.com/us/war-criminals-among-us-inside-the-quiet-effort-to-prosecute-and-deport-violators-disguised-as-refugees) in connection with the Gallagher prosecution and faced trial in September.
“Chief of Naval Operations Adm. John Richardson today dismissed all charges in the case of Lt. Jacob Portier,” a Navy statement said Thursday, according to the San Diego News-Tribune. “Richardson took this action in the best interest of justice and the Navy.”


Richardson also ordered a review of the Navy’s Judge Advocate General Corps, which prosecuted Gallagher and Portier.
“Recent events indicate a need to review the leadership and performance of the (JAG) Corps,” Richardson said in a memo, according to the paper.


Richardson intervened a day after President Trump ordered the secretary of the Navy on Wednesday to strip prosecutors of medals they were awarded for their handling of the case despite the fact Gallagher was acquitted on the most serious charges.
The admiral also blocked prosecutors from taking any action against Special Warfare Operator 1st Class Corey Scott who stunned the court when he said he killed the teenage ISIS militant, not Gallagher. The testimony contradicted other SEALS who pointed the finger at Gallagher.

More at: https://www.foxnews.com/us/navy-drops-charges-against-seal-edward-gallaghers-platoon-leader-orders-jag-review

Good.

[Swordsmyth]

Navy admiral who oversaw SEAL prosecution implicated in ‘Fat Leonard’, documents indicate (https://www.stripes.com/news/us/navy-admiral-who-oversaw-seal-prosecution-implicated-in-fat-leonard-documents-indicate-1.593357)

[Swordsmyth]

A review of the Department of the Navy’s legal system has expanded to include the Marine legal community, according to a memo from Secretary of the Navy Richard V. Spencer obtained by USNI News. “Secretary of the Navy Richard V. Spencer, in full coordination with the commandant of the Marine Corps, has directed an expansion of the U.S. Navy’s comprehensive review of the Judge Advocate General Corps to include U.S. Marine Corps Judge Advocates,” read a Thursday Navy statement to USNI News.
“There is value in applying this review and its subsequent recommendations across the Department of the Navy. The review’s purpose is to confirm the uniformed legal community is structurally and organizationally sound and best supporting the good order and discipline our integrated naval force.”
According to a copy of the memo, “these reviews are intended to ensure the Navy JAG and the Marine Corps SJA legal communities are organized, manned, trained and equipped to support the Department’s mission.”

More at: https://news.usni.org/2019/08/22/secnav-spencer-expanding-jag-review-to-include-marine-legal-community

[Swordsmyth]

Friday was a historic day for those who support and defend our rights and who volunteer to go in harm's way on our behalf - Our Nation's Warriors.
Each of the hundreds of thousands of people associated with United American Patriots, regardless of political leaning, is elated President Trump righted the wrongs faced by 1LT Clint Lorance, MAJ Matt Golsteyn, and Chief Eddie Gallagher.
In each of these cases and many others, there is clear evidence of unlawful command influence, prosecutor misconduct, and improper investigative actions.
Those media pundits, politicians, and even military general officers who sound off in disagreement, spouting moral platitudes about how President Trump's actions send a "bad signal (https://www.dailyrepublic.com/all-dr-news/wires/state-nation-world/senior-military-officers-rebel-against-trump-plan-to-pardon-troops-accused-of-war-crimes/comment-page-1/)," will undermine the military justice system, or negatively impact good order and discipline within the Armed Forces, are simply highlighting their own level of ignorance regarding each of these cases.
Our service members take an oath that states: “I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States.”
Among other things, our Constitution specifically serves to protect the rights of every individual American citizen.


Whether it be free speech, protection from unwarranted searches and seizures, due process, impartial and fair trials, or excessive punishment, the Constitution is the defining document that separates American citizens from the rest of the world. It’s the founding accord that has produced the greatest country on the face of the Earth. Many have served and some have died protecting it and the associated lives, liberty, and pursuit of happiness of hundreds of millions both at home and abroad.
The implicit presumption made by our service members, while performing heroic, selfless, and, at times, near-miraculous acts of valor to uphold their oath to our Constitution, is that they themselves will be afforded its benefits.
Unfortunately, all too often, that is not the case.
We at United American Patriots review far too many cases where Warrior's Rights have been violated and honorable servicemembers face wrongful accusations of "war crimes" which lead to unjust convictions.
Whether motivated by politics, self-preservation, or personal promotion, confessions by the accused are coerced; enemy combatants lawfully killed by our Warriors are labeled as "unarmed civilians;" forensic experts with exonerating forensic evidence are dismissed and silenced; witnesses are intimidated and manipulated; attorney-client privilege is violated; exculpatory evidence is withheld from juries; known enemy combatants are used testifying against our Heroes - some enemy combatants have even been flown in to America, given an opportunity to testify, and then taken to Sea World prior to being flown back home and set free in Afghanistan (yes this really happened).



What is worse, senior military leaders make false and inappropriate statements publicly and to Members of Congress to protect their careers and the perception of the institutions they represent as opposed to upholding the Constitution and defending the individual rights of our Warriors.
Putting on display American values, such as due process, the presumption of innocence, and the rights of the accused should be the concern of our military commanders and their civilian leaders, not incarcerating our Warriors to prove political correctness or appease false allegations by foreign leaders.

The Founding Fathers granted the President of the United States the “power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses…” Since President George Washington, tens of thousands of pardons have been granted.
The actions by President Trump to grant full pardons to 1LT Clint Lorance and MAJ Matt Golsteyn and restore the rank to Chief Gallagher is a clear warning to any commanders who consider siding with political correctness, self-preservation, or personal promotion over the wellbeing of our Warriors, it will no longer be tolerated.


The "presumption of innocence" will be maintained and the Rights of our Warriors will be preserved - that is what fosters and reinforces good order and discipline amongst warfighters.
I respectfully welcome any opportunity to discuss or debate the specifics of each of the above-mentioned cases, or any other case with which United American Patriots is involved, face-to-face with any media pundit, politician, general officer, etc.
I will acknowledge, after reviewing all the details associated with each of these warrior's cases, it is possible a few may still be convinced these Warriors are guilty of some wrongdoing.
However, no one will be able to deny each had their Rights violated.

More at: https://townhall.com/columnists/davi...rongs-n2556699 (https://townhall.com/columnists/david%E2%80%9Cbull%E2%80%9Dgurfein/2019/11/19/rights-trump-wrongs-n2556699)

[angelatc]

It's a violation of the forum rules to post specifically just to bump a thread back to the top. We get it - you think Ron Paul's Liberty Report is leftist garbage.

[Swordsmyth]

It's a violation of the forum rules to post specifically just to bump a thread back to the top. We get it - you think Ron Paul's Liberty Report is leftist garbage.
Lots of people bump old threads when they become relevant again.

If you want to get someone banned you should start with e_d because he does it the most and often with only the thinnest justification.

P.S. It's also a violation of forum rules to openly discuss violations of forum rules.

[Swordsmyth]

It's a violation of the forum rules to post specifically just to bump a thread back to the top. We get it - you think Ron Paul's Liberty Report is leftist garbage.


Lots of people bump old threads when they become relevant again.

If you want to get someone banned you should start with e_d because he does it the most and often with only the thinnest justification.

P.S. It's also a violation of forum rules to openly discuss violations of forum rules.
Perhaps you should also concern yourself with the people who keep making multiple new threads about an old topic in order to try and memory hole facts that are inconvenient to them.

[jon4liberty]

This is the government spying on itself. Personally, I don't give a flying $#@!.

Lol you pick and choose your "principled" values
What a nutcase
Why dont you just stick to defending your poison vaccines

[jon4liberty]

Personally in war. Our government created the enemy etc and manufactured it I get it. I dont want war. However if you are actually in war it's not pillow fights and catering steak and lobster to your enemy. Our enemies, like holomodor would hang us by trees and tie our intestine to a limb and have the wind unravel all of it out while your alive.

Too much soy eaten around here.
The GOVERNMENT WAS SPYING ON THE DEFENSE TEAM!!!!!!!!
THE FREAKING 4TH AMMENDMENT YOU DUMB PRINCIPLED LIBERTARIANS JEESE

disclaimer: I consider myself libertarian

[Swordsmyth]

Personally in war. Our government created the enemy etc and manufactured it I get it. I dont want war. However if you are actually in war it's not pillow fights and catering steak and lobster to your enemy. Our enemies, like holomodor would hang us by trees and tie our intestine to a limb and have the wind unravel all of it out while your alive.

Too much soy eaten around here.
The GOVERNMENT WAS SPYING ON THE DEFENSE TEAM!!!!!!!!
THE FREAKING 4TH AMMENDMENT YOU DUMB PRINCIPLED LIBERTARIANS JEESE

disclaimer: I consider myself libertarian
Leftarians don't mind tyranny as long as it hits people they don't like.
And they don't like the military on "principle", being collectivist about the military doesn't seem to bother them even though Ron was in the military.


Does anyone really think that the prosecution had a sure fire case if they had to resort to cheating?

[Swordsmyth]

Top Navy SEAL resigns after Trump row (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/watch/top-navy-seal-resigns-after-trump-row-report/vp-BBZE6d3)