FLASHBACK: Justin Amash Supported Federally-Funded Transgender Surgeries for Military

[Swordsmyth]

When self-proclaimed constitutionalist Rep. Justin Amash (R-MI) endorsed impeachment (https://bigleaguepolitics.com/following-mueller-report-justin-amash-supports-impeaching-donald-trump/) of President Donald Trump, it shocked many conservative Republicans to see the former tea party favorite join in the Democrats’ witch hunt.
But Amash’s left-ward drift has been a long time in the making. One egregious example in recent years was Amash’s support of federally-funded elective surgery (http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2017/roll369.xml#N) for transgenders in the military.
In 2017, Amash joined 190 Democrats and a handful of liberal anti-Trump Republicans to reject a proposal by Rep. Vicky Hartzler (R-MO) to deny federal funds for the elective surgery of military personnel claiming they are transgender.
“We must confront these challenges by ensuring our defense dollars maximize the military’s readiness and lethality,” Hartlzer said. “That is why I’m offering an amendment to advance these goals by prohibiting taxpayer dollars from funding gender reassignment surgeries and related hormone therapy treatment for members of the military and their dependents.”


The measure could have saved up to $3.7 billion (https://townhall.com/columnists/petersprigg/2017/06/30/trump-congress-should-halt-transgender-military-policy-that-costs-billions-n2349085) over the next decade by refusing to indulge these potentially mentally ill individuals with genital mutilation surgery and other health care services pertaining to their condition. The supposed fiscal conservative voted in effect to expend federal funds on this social project.
After feeling the heat from his constituents regarding this vote, Amash first passed the buck, blaming former Defense Secretary James Mattis (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2017/07/16/rep-amash-blames-gen-mattis-pro-transgender-military-vote/) to his support of military transgenderism.
“Sec. [James] Mattis and the White House urged us not to adopt Hartzler Amendment [and] all the administration wants is three months to review everything,” he said.
The administration never confirmed Amash’s statement. It does not seem plausible that Amash, who has emerged as the top opponent to Trump in the Republican Party, would take orders from his White House.

Always talking out of both sides of his mouth, Amash seemed to endorse the idea of federally funding transgender medical care when addressing his followers on social media.
“Those who serve in our Armed Forces deserve the best medical care,” Amash wrote on his Facebook account (https://www.facebook.com/justinamash/posts/1480080775364657). “One question we must ask and answer, with the aid of the medical community, is which treatments are medically necessary and which are simply elective. With respect to transgender persons, we should focus on the best science, not the political or philosophical opinions of partisans.”
Other times Amash has worked with Democrats have included his vote against Kate’s Law (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2017/06/30/rep-justin-amash-only-republican-to-vote-against-kates-law), his voting down of a resolution (https://bigleaguepolitics.com/republican-justin-amash-explains-why-he-supports-illegal-aliens-voting-in-america/) condemning illegal immigrants voting in elections, and his protection of Planned Parenthood funding (https://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/2012/07/justin_amash_loses_right_to_li.html) with Obama-esque ‘present’ votes.
Two primary challengers have already announced (https://bigleaguepolitics.com/justin-amashs-political-career-is-now-jeopardy-in-with-a-new-primary-challenger-announcement/) that they will be battling against Amash next year to be the Republican U.S. Congressional nominee in Michigan’s third district.

https://bigleaguepolitics.com/flashback-justin-amash-supported-federally-funded-transgender-surgeries-for-military/

I'd still rather see him keep his seat but there is something wrong with him.
I've always said that he votes the wrong way at the weirdest times.

[enhanced_deficit]

Somethig is wrong here, he wants US taxpayers money to be spent same way on US soldiers as US taxpayers money is spent on foreign soldiers?
Does he support US taxpayers funded free abortions for US troops also?


Flashback: GOP-Adelson wing sends $38 Billion US taxpayers aid to Israeli Military (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?529405-U-S-to-give-38-billion-aid-to-Israel&p=6722007&viewfull=1#post6722007)

https://i0.wp.com/www.momentmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Normal-e1348166750891.jpg?fit=404%2C612&ssl=1

The Israeli Defense Forces paid for this soldier's sex reassignment

Carol Hills
April 13, 2017

"I was so nervous. I don't remember anything from this talk."
That's how the first openly transgender officer in the Israel Defense Forces, Lt. Shahar Erez, recalls the time three years ago when he was training to be an officer and told his company he was trans.
"Back home I already identified as a male but enlisted as a female because I was afraid it would affect my service," he says.
" in order for me to have an open and honest relationship with my soldiers," he remembers thinking as he prepared to serve as an officer, "I must be first open and honest with them."
So Erez stood up in front of the 70-plus soldiers he was commanding and told them his story — "not in order for them to better know me," he says, "but to be a better commander, to give them another tool to be the best officer they can be."
The IDF paid for all the costs related to Erez's sexual reassignment. Israel has universal health insurance.
"I did my upper surgery, my chest surgery, actually during my service," he says. "The IDF is my insurance and so it covered all my expenses for my hormones and surgeries."
"Taking testosterone is making me a better soldier, and stronger," Erez says, adding it's been exciting to be able to grow a beard.

https://theweek.com/articles/691629/israeli-defense-forces-paid-soldiers-sex-reassignment



OP, if you consider this wasteful expenditure, have you ever posted a news here exposing US taxpayers money being spent on such surgeries for foreign soldiers?
If not, why not?




[B]Related Flashback:
Mike Pompeo: ‘We want the whole Middle East to look like Israel’ (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?527357-Mike-Pompeo-‘We-want-the-whole-Middle-East-to-look-like-Israel’&)

[Swordsmyth]

OP, if you consider this wasteful expenditure, have you ever posted a news here exposing US taxpayers money being spent on such surgeries for foreign soldiers?
If not, why not?

I have posted many posts opposing ALL foreign aid and many posts specifically opposing ALL foreign aid to Israel so you can take your snark and smoke it.

[enhanced_deficit]

While tirelessly defending the very interests and lobbies that are driving globalist spending projects that you claim to oppose.

On the surface it sounds incredible for any American to prioritize objecting to taxpayers money being spent on US troops surgeries vs objecting to US taxpayers money being spent on foreign soldiers surgeries. This is something that one would expect at an AIPAC or ZOA type Foreign-Firster forum perhaps.

[Swordsmyth]

While tirelessly defending the very interests and lobbies that are driving globalist spending projects that you claim to oppose.
Nope, and when I defend certain people who may be involved it is because I have many different issues I care about because I am actually an American as opposed to you and your obssesion with just one issue.


On the surface it sounds incredible for any American to prioritize objecting to taxpayers money being spent on US troops surgeries vs objecting to US taxpayers money being spent on foreign soldiers surgeries. This is something that one would expect at an AIPAC or ZOA type Foreign-Firster forum perhaps.
LOL

I am not prioritizing anything.

[dannno]

you can take your snark and smoke it.

:confused:

*Best Tommy Chong impression*

That's sour diesel crossed with some weed I bought off a cop, man..

[UWDude]

94% Freedom Index Score!!!

[Swordsmyth]

94% Freedom Index Score!!!
With some of the weirdest bad votes you will ever see.

[loveshiscountry]

94% Freedom Index Score!!!

With some of the weirdest bad votes you will ever see.Wow that 6% must be awful. :confused: Is he voting to increase Federal spending? Is he voting to increase our military presence around the world? 6% Really? Learn what's important.

[Swordsmyth]

Wow that 6% must be awful. :confused: Is he voting to increase Federal spending? Is he voting to increase our military presence around the world? 6% Really? Learn what's important.
Is this weird enough for you?

FLASHBACK: Justin Amash Supported Federally-Funded Transgender Surgeries for Military (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?534778-FLASHBACK-Justin-Amash-Supported-Federally-Funded-Transgender-Surgeries-for-Military)You did read the OP, right?
Does Federally funded tranny surgery not increase Federal spending?

I have never called for him to lose his seat because he is so much better than other members of Congress but he has votes that are definitely not libertarian and aren't even arguable.

[loveshiscountry]

Is this weird enough for you?

FLASHBACK: Justin Amash Supported Federally-Funded Transgender Surgeries for Military (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?534778-FLASHBACK-Justin-Amash-Supported-Federally-Funded-Transgender-Surgeries-for-Military)You did read the OP, right?
Does Federally funded tranny surgery not increase Federal spending?

I have never called for him to lose his seat because he is so much better than other members of Congress but he has votes that are definitely not libertarian and aren't even arguable.

This issue is not important to me in the scheme of things.

Good that you haven't called for him to loose his seat. That is important.

The histrionics over that 6% because it is "weird" is just that. Don't sweat the little things.

[Danke]

Good that you haven't called for him to loose his seat.


He is gay?

[angelatc]

It does not seem plausible that Amash, who has emerged as the top opponent to Trump in the Republican Party, would take orders from his White House.

Always talking out of both sides of his mouth, Amash seemed to endorse the idea of federally funding transgender medical care when addressing his followers on social media.

“Those who serve in our Armed Forces deserve the best medical care,” Amash wrote on his Facebook account (https://www.facebook.com/justinamash/posts/1480080775364657). “One question we must ask and answer, with the aid of the medical community, is which treatments are medically necessary and which are simply elective. With respect to transgender persons, we should focus on the best science, not the political or philosophical opinions of partisans.”[/url]

I'd still rather see him keep his seat but there is something wrong with him.
I've always said that he votes the wrong way at the weirdest times.

There's something more wrong with you. You disagree that we should not pick and choose which treatments are medically necessary based on politics? Because that's pretty horrible.

Another Trejo article. I am starting to think you're actually Shane. Your a dead ringer for him. Anti-vaxxer, faux-anti war, always working to divide the conservative factions.

Let me know when he writes something angrily about the size of the president's budgets and the massive debt we're accumulating under Trump's lead. And before you reply, remember - military spending is constitutional.

[Swordsmyth]

There's something more wrong with you. You disagree that we should not pick and choose which treatments are medically necessary based on politics? Because that's pretty horrible.

Another Trejo article. I am starting to think you're actually Shane. Your a dead ringer for him. Anti-vaxxer, faux-anti war, always working to divide the conservative factions.

Let me know when he writes something angrily about the size of the president's budgets and the massive debt we're accumulating under Trump's lead.

Tranny surgery is NEVER medically necessary.

I am totally anti-war, I do not always work to divide conservative factions and I am not anyone named Shane.

Your TDS is accelerating.

[UWDude]

Is this weird enough for you?

FLASHBACK: Justin Amash Supported Federally-Funded Transgender Surgeries for Military (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?534778-FLASHBACK-Justin-Amash-Supported-Federally-Funded-Transgender-Surgeries-for-Military)You did read the OP, right?
Does Federally funded tranny surgery not increase Federal spending?

I have never called for him to lose his seat because he is so much better than other members of Congress but he has votes that are definitely not libertarian and aren't even arguable.

I recall somebody often pointing out he is Palestinian, so this vote makes sense.

[UWDude]

Tranny surgery is NEVER medically necessary.

I am totally anti-war, I do not always work to divide conservative factions and I am not anyone named Shane.

Your TDS is accelerating.

The IED has introduced great advancements in genital reconstruction surgery.
100's of them have been done, thanks to Iraq.

I happen to know of one who pees through a tube.
Still alive now, I think... it's been years since I talked of him to a family member of his.
But he was alive 6 years after he lost his junk.

[UWDude]

Wow that 6% must be awful. :confused: Is he voting to increase Federal spending? Is he voting to increase our military presence around the world? 6% Really? Learn what's important.

The Russian collusion hoax is of utmost importance.

I know who my enemies are.

[Swordsmyth]

The IED has introduced great advancements in genital reconstruction surgery.
100's of them have been done, thanks to Iraq.

I happen to know of one who pees through a tube.
Still alive now, I think... it's been years since I talked of him to a family member of his.
But he was alive 6 years after he lost his junk.
Repairing combat mutilation (even as the wrong sex) is not the same as elective tranny surgery and was not what was being debated.

[Swordsmyth]

I recall somebody often pointing out he is Palestinian, so this vote makes sense.

How does being Palestinian make Federally funded tranny surgery make sense?

[phill4paul]

I thought Amash was fiscally conservative. Shouldn't transitions be made on a private vs, Federal dime?

[angelatc]

Repairing combat mutilation (even as the wrong sex) is not the same as elective tranny surgery and was not what was being debated.

That's never been how VA health benefits work.

[angelatc]

Tranny surgery is NEVER medically necessary.

.


The bigger point here is you want politicians which deciding medical treatments are medically necessary, while Amash says we should let the doctors make those decisions.

That makes him right, and you wrong.

[donnay]

Doctors shouldn't being making decisions for individuals either.

[juleswin]

Doctors shouldn't being making decisions for individuals either.

I think the idea is for the doctor and patient be the decision makers rather than some politician in DC.

[ATruepatriot]

Doctors shouldn't being making decisions for individuals either.

Man this is a huge one for me. Who granted doctors ownership of us, and why do they actually think they do? Using extortion tactics they do indeed own us and I'm getting sick of it. They have more power over us than even law enforcement, the courts, or the government. They have the extortion power of life or death over us if we do not comply with their every edict.

[donnay]

I think the idea is for the doctor and patient be the decision makers rather than some politician in DC.


Transitioning can be expensive—up to $130,000 per person for numerous body-mutilating and cosmetic procedures over many months (or years) to fashion the body to appear as the opposite sex.

Yet, no matter how skilled the surgeon, or how much money is spent, it is biologically impossible to change a man into a woman or a woman into a man. The change is only cosmetic.

The medical community continues to recommend this radical “treatment” in the absence of scientific evidence that people are better off in the long run. This population attempts suicide at a rate of 40 percent.

Even after the full surgical change, they attempt to end their lives, or tragically succeed.

Over 60 percent of this diverse population suffer from co-existing mental disorders. Consider Bradley Manning (now Chelsea Manning), a former Army soldier who was so psychologically and emotionally unbalanced that he stole confidential documents from the military and forwarded them to WikiLeaks.
https://www.dailysignal.com/2017/07/26/why-forcing-the-military-to-pay-for-sex-changes-would-be-disastrous/

[donnay]

Man this is a huge one for me. Who granted doctors ownership of us, and why do they actually think they do? Using extortion tactics they do indeed own us and I'm getting sick of it. They have more power over us than even law enforcement, the courts, or the government. They have the extortion power of life or death over us if we do not comply with their every edict.

Exactly. The medical mafia is really much more dangerous to individual liberty.

[ATruepatriot]

Exactly. The medical mafia is really much more dangerous to individual liberty.

And because of O-Bro care it has gotten much worse, just try to go find another doctor because you are not happy or want a second opinion concerning something serious. They are either not taking on any new patients or the wait for the first appointment is 3 to 6 months. They know this and absolutely use it to extort you.

This topic would make a good thread in it's self. Bet everyone has a story to share...

[Superfluous Man]

A better way to describe this is not that it's federal funding of transgender surgeries, but that it's federal funding of the military. The medical benefits provided to military personnel are part of their compensation package in exchange for their labor and risks. Currently they are allowed to spend this compensation on elective reassignment surgeries. The bill Amash voted against would have banned that when it comes to how they use their medical benefits.

As a thought experiment consider a hypothetical situation where Congress votes on a similar bill, only this version is a ban on allowing military personnel from spending their own money that they got paid for their military service on sex reassignment surgeries. Would a no vote on that still be called supporting federally funded transgender surgeries for the military?

It probably would be better if there were no medical benefits in their compensation packages (or in anyone else's either), and instead the military (and any other employer) just paid its employees more money and left it to them to shop for the insurance of their choice if they wanted. But as it is, including medical insurance in employees' compensation packages is the norm (and indeed, now the law in most cases).

[donnay]

And because of O-Bro care it has gotten much worse, just try to go find another doctor because you are not happy or want a second opinion concerning something serious. They are either not taking on any new patients or the wait for the first appointment is 3 to 6 months. They know this and absolutely use it to extort you.

This topic would make a good thread in it's self. Bet everyone has a story to share...

That is exactly how the VA worked--if anyone wants a glimpse of how socialize medicine works all they have to do is ask a veteran. Socialized medicine is a doctor making the decisions for you, Angela is correct on that note.

If you don't accept the treatment they suggest, they will bully and scare you into it.

[ATruepatriot]

That is exactly how the VA worked--if anyone wants a glimpse of how socialize medicine works all they have to do is ask a veteran. Socialized medicine is a doctor making the decisions for you, Angela is correct on that note.

If you don't accept the treatment they suggest, they will bully and scare you into it.

It's already that way across the industry now. If you don't do exactly as they dictate they cut off prescriptions threatening your life, make you sign a "refused treatment" form and tell you to not come back even if this might kill you. And if you are caring for an elder or someone mentally disabled and miss an appointment they are not even questioned and are considered expert witnesses when they turn you in to health and human services at will for neglect or abuse just because you just could not make an appointment. Then health and human services invades your home and violates your rights all just because you were unable to make a scheduled appointment. Failure to make just one doctor's appointment is deemed as automatic neglect or abuse at the doctor's discretion. And none of them care why you couldn't make the appointment even if you had a very good reason and it was just absolutely impossible. They have far too much power and authority over the individual and even caretakers. They have the power of life, death. or even criminal charges for the caregivers. Been there.

[donnay]

It's already that way across the industry now. If you don't do exactly as they dictate they cut off prescriptions threatening your life, make you sign a "refused treatment" form and tell you to not come back even if this might kill you. And if you are caring for an elder or someone mentally disabled and miss an appointment they are not even questioned and are considered expert witnesses when they turn you in to health and human services at will for neglect or abuse just because you just could not make an appointment. Then health and human services invades your home and violates your rights all just because you were unable to make a scheduled appointment. Failure to make just one doctor's appointment is deemed as automatic neglect or abuse at the doctor's discretion. And none of them care why you couldn't make the appointment even if you had a very good reason and it was just absolutely impossible. They have far too much power and authority over the individual and even caretakers. They have the power of life, death. or even criminal charges for the caregivers. Been there.

They are the medical mafia, no doubt. That is why I speak out against it all the time. You cannot be free and uninformed. I am for Informed Consent and a free market.

[ATruepatriot]

They are the medical mafia, no doubt. That is why I speak out against it all the time. You cannot be free and uninformed. I am for Informed Consent and a free market.

It is absolutely horrendous. I have four kids in the medical field so I have an inside track on the real mess it has now become. You would just not believe some of what they see and share. The current system is criminal.

[donnay]

It is absolutely horrendous. I have four kids in the medical field so I have an inside track on the real mess it has now become. You would just not believe some of what they see and share. The current system is criminal.

I truly feel for them. It is criminal no doubt. What they are doing to children and the elderly breaks my heart. Breaking up families is a real bone of contention for me.

[ATruepatriot]

I truly feel for them. It is criminal no doubt. What they are doing to children and the elderly breaks my heart. Breaking up families is a real bone of contention for me.

They own the children and elderly as agents for the state who automatically own them as wards of the state. And just like a law enforcement officer, a doctor's discretion is never questioned and absolute. But a law enforcement officer is required to provide some proof and evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. A doctor does not, They can just assume the cause of a bump on the head any way they like without proof or evidence and you are automatically guilty just because they think so even if they are wrong.

[donnay]

They own the children and elderly as agents for the state who automatically own them as wards of the state. And just like a law enforcement officer, a doctor's discretion is never questioned and absolute. But a law enforcement officer is required to provide some proof and evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. A doctor does not, They can just assume the cause of a bump on the head any way they like without proof or evidence and you are automatically guilty just because they think so even if they are wrong.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iURkw0iTgM

[ATruepatriot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iURkw0iTgM

Yep... I'm hip to it. And I don't know if it is true or not... But my SS card is old enough to have that second asset number on it if the conspiracy is true.

[donnay]

Yep... I'm hip to it. And I don't know if it is true or not... But my SS card is old enough to have that second asset number on it if the conspiracy is true.

My mother's SS card (on the back) said it was not to be used for identification and it was voluntary.

[ATruepatriot]

My mother's SS card (on the back) said it was not to be used for identification and it was voluntary.

Mine doesn't say that but it does have a second different number on the back that some claim is my collateral property asset number. I know they stopped using that second number after I got mine. I only had to get mine to legally go to work when I was 14.

[Swordsmyth]

That's never been how VA health benefits work.
Any soldier mutilated in combat will be repaired, that has nothing to do with Federally funding elective tranny surgery.


The bigger point here is you want politicians which deciding medical treatments are medically necessary, while Amash says we should let the doctors make those decisions.

That makes him right, and you wrong.
The bigger point here is that Trans is insanity and it isn't possible for tranny surgery to be medically necessary and my tax dollars shouldn't be paying for insane people to mutilate themselves.

That make me right and Amash wrong.

It is a gross insult to my intelligence for you or Amash to pretend that tranny surgery could ever be medically necessary.

[Swordsmyth]

A better way to describe this is not that it's federal funding of transgender surgeries, but that it's federal funding of the military. The medical benefits provided to military personnel are part of their compensation package in exchange for their labor and risks. Currently they are allowed to spend this compensation on elective reassignment surgeries. The bill Amash voted against would have banned that when it comes to how they use their medical benefits.

As a thought experiment consider a hypothetical situation where Congress votes on a similar bill, only this version is a ban on allowing military personnel from spending their own money that they got paid for their military service on sex reassignment surgeries. Would a no vote on that still be called supporting federally funded transgender surgeries for the military?

It probably would be better if there were no medical benefits in their compensation packages (or in anyone else's either), and instead the military (and any other employer) just paid its employees more money and left it to them to shop for the insurance of their choice if they wanted. But as it is, including medical insurance in employees' compensation packages is the norm (and indeed, now the law in most cases).
Providing coverage for crazy people to have elective surgery to mutilate themselves raises the cost to the taxpayers and is pandering to SJWs and mad men.

It is wrong.

[dannno]

The bigger point here is you want politicians which deciding medical treatments are medically necessary, while Amash says we should let the doctors make those decisions.

That makes him right, and you wrong.

So is it the libertarian position to allow my tax dollars to be spent on plastic surgery for soldiers as well? How about penis and breast enlargements?

[UWDude]

A better way to describe this is not that it's federal funding of transgender surgeries, but that it's federal funding of the military. The medical benefits provided to military personnel are part of their compensation package in exchange for their labor and risks. Currently they are allowed to spend this compensation on elective reassignment surgeries. The bill Amash voted against would have banned that when it comes to how they use their medical benefits.

As a thought experiment consider a hypothetical situation where Congress votes on a similar bill, only this version is a ban on allowing military personnel from spending their own money that they got paid for their military service on sex reassignment surgeries. Would a no vote on that still be called supporting federally funded transgender surgeries for the military?

It probably would be better if there were no medical benefits in their compensation packages (or in anyone else's either), and instead the military (and any other employer) just paid its employees more money and left it to them to shop for the insurance of their choice if they wanted. But as it is, including medical insurance in employees' compensation packages is the norm (and indeed, now the law in most cases).

LOL