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EBounding
05-20-2019, 01:53 PM
Just need context when I'm reading others posts.

dannno
05-20-2019, 01:58 PM
That is a retarded question.

Why don't you ask the Democrats to post the portion of the Mueller Report that has evidence Trump and Russia colluded? Because it doesn't exist.

If Trump and Russia didn't collude, then how can their be obstruction? There can't.

dannno
05-20-2019, 02:00 PM
I read a pretty significant portion of the redacted version.

So, if somebody reads the entire report, I guess your next question will be "have you read the unredacted version?".

You really need to stop watching the mainstream media, or whatever bullshit source of information you are getting who is getting their information from the mainstream media.. because it sounds like you have TDS. You just want to get Trump for "something" and you don't care what it is.

Well, Trump is one of the few people in DC who is trying to get us out of wars - who doesn't want to go to war. So you are doing a huge disservice to me and everybody else who doesn't want to go to war anymore and have to pay for it and think about all those innocent people dying by sticking up for the establishment.

Zippyjuan
05-20-2019, 02:07 PM
Just need context when I'm reading others posts.

Not even Congress has seen the entire unredacted report. Only Mueller, Barr, and a few other people have been able to see it in its entirety.

NorthCarolinaLiberty
05-20-2019, 02:07 PM
They have a whole report now? I don't even read the back of their box.



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dannno
05-20-2019, 02:10 PM
Not even Congress has seen the entire unredacted report. Only Mueller, Barr, and a few other people have been able to see it in its entirety.

Ya, it's in there somewhere, they just haven't released it yet..

EBounding, you are on zippy's side right now. You need to wake the fuck up. When you are on zippy's side of an important issue, you need to, at minimum, seriously reconsider your position.

NorthCarolinaLiberty
05-20-2019, 02:30 PM
In 2016--I saw the entire report at Hilary HQ Central. Is there a sequel?

(Okay, I admit I only looked at the pics! :o)







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dannno
05-20-2019, 02:35 PM
So, if somebody reads the entire report, I guess your next question will be "have you read the unredacted version?".


Not even Congress has seen the entire unredacted report. Only Mueller, Barr, and a few other people have been able to see it in its entirety.

Bazinga.

acptulsa
05-20-2019, 02:41 PM
That is a retarded question.

Why don't you ask the Democrats to post the portion of the Mueller Report that has evidence Trump and Russia colluded? Because it doesn't exist.

You said you read those portions not available to the general public. Where'd you get it?

dannno
05-20-2019, 02:52 PM
You said you read those portions not available to the general public. Where'd you get it?


I said I read a significant portion of the redacted version.

Zippyjuan
05-20-2019, 02:54 PM
The whole report is over 300 pages- 40% of which have at least one redaction.

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acptulsa
05-20-2019, 02:58 PM
I said I read a significant portion of the redacted version.

In the poll you said you read more than that. Where'd you get it?

dannno
05-20-2019, 03:02 PM
In the poll you said you read more than that. Where'd you get it?

When I voted, pretty sure the poll read "Have you read the Mueller Report"

Now it reads "Have you read the entire Mueller Report"

dannno
05-20-2019, 03:05 PM
I'm really not sure it matters much though. I don't know why Ebounding puts so much weight on it.

Really all you have to do is see what side the establishment is on. They aren't on Trump's side. Establishment Republicans hated Trump... establishment leftists hated Trump... It's really not too hard to see how it is going to go from there.

oyarde
05-20-2019, 03:06 PM
Just need context when I'm reading others posts.

No , but if you post the unredacted report I will look at it for you .

RJB
05-20-2019, 03:14 PM
I didn't. I figured if they had anything, they would have charged him, or at least pointed it out. From the lack of action, they got nothing on him.

oyarde
05-20-2019, 03:16 PM
Just so everyone knows there are lots of other things I have not done . I never went to law school or worked as a corporate attorney for my Dads business . My Dad did have businesses but I was not employed there . He would have employed me but not as a lawyer even if I had gone to law school :). I also never worked for a company that made products in china , my choice . I did though once run a plant where we sent exhaust tube we made for Buick to china and I like asian bbq. I did read the first two versions of Obamacare but I did not need to read it to know it was shit . I have read the constitutions of multiple countries and Moby Dick . I like Moby Dick better. If I had gone to law school that means I might have an ability to see a boogeyman no other person can .

Zippyjuan
05-20-2019, 03:19 PM
I'm really not sure it matters much though. I don't know why Ebounding puts so much weight on it.

Really all you have to do is see what side the establishment is on. They aren't on Trump's side. Establishment Republicans hated Trump... establishment leftists hated Trump... It's really not too hard to see how it is going to go from there.

Is Justin Amash establishment?

Swordsmyth
05-20-2019, 03:21 PM
Is Justin Amash establishment?

He is selling out to them on this.

dannno
05-20-2019, 03:23 PM
Is Justin Amash establishment?

No, but you are, and you trick good people like EBounding into supporting the establishment all the time. It's like, the reason why Satan put you on the earth. Aren't you familiar with your life purpose?

PierzStyx
05-20-2019, 03:28 PM
That is a retarded question.

Why don't you ask the Democrats to post the portion of the Mueller Report that has evidence Trump and Russia colluded? Because it doesn't exist.

If Trump and Russia didn't collude, then how can their be obstruction? There can't.

I'm not sure you understand how obstruction works. Obstruction of justice occurs whenever someone tries and obstruct an investigation into a crime. By definition it is BEFORE a verdict has been determined and therefore before guilt or innocence has been determined. Therefore it doesn't matter if Trump did or did not "collude" with Russia. You can obstruct justice and be innocent of the crime you're being accused of committing.

NorthCarolinaLiberty
05-20-2019, 03:29 PM
Aren't you familiar with your life purpose?

Zip's purpose--clean up spills in aisle 4.

acptulsa
05-20-2019, 03:30 PM
I'm really not sure it matters much though. I don't know why Ebounding puts so much weight on it.

Really all you have to do is see what side the establishment is on. They aren't on Trump's side. Establishment Republicans hated Trump... establishment leftists hated Trump... It's really not too hard to see how it is going to go from there.

It's such a joy to have you here. You never fail to entertain.

So, it's possible to replace whole planeloads of people with drones and fly them into buildings in New York and Washington, but it's impossible for the media to pretend to hate Trump and for Trump to pretend to hate the media--even though you saw the same thing with Dubya.

And Bill Clinton, who actually was impeached, for that matter. Is Bill Clinton anti-establishment?

Lord. Any and every conspiracy but the ones that are actually possible, obvious and make sense.

Better than Lou Costello.

PierzStyx
05-20-2019, 03:33 PM
No, but you are, and you trick good people like EBounding into supporting the establishment all the time. It's like, the reason why Satan put you on the earth. Aren't you familiar with your life purpose?


He is selling out to them on this.

You people are a joke. There is no more Establishment position than President of the United States. And there has been no one who has sucked the military-industrial complex's dick harder than Donald J. Trump. Trying to paint him as "anti-Establishment" just makes you, to paraphrase danno, look "retarded."

UWDude
05-20-2019, 03:33 PM
I don't care to read one word of it.
I don't care what Trump did to try to get the swarms of deep state witch-hunters off his back, and the backs of anyone who dared to work around him.
I know there was no collusion. Everybody knows it a farce. Van Jones knows it's a farce, half the media knows it is bullshit. The other half is dumb enough to believe it.

In fact, I probably won't read one sentence of John Brennan's defense plea, or any of his statements. I don't have to.
I'm not stupid like the rest of the world. I don't care to read about Meuller's black unicorn witch hunt, and all the magical creatures he encountered along the way.

LONG PRISON SENTENCES

Swordsmyth
05-20-2019, 03:34 PM
I'm not sure you understand how obstruction works. Obstruction of justice occurs whenever someone tries and obstruct an investigation into a crime. By definition it is BEFORE a verdict has been determined and therefore before guilt or innocence has been determined. Therefore it doesn't matter if Trump did or did not "collude" with Russia. You can obstruct justice and be innocent of the crime you're being accused of committing.
You can't obstruct an illegal investigation and Trump didn't even if you could.

Swordsmyth
05-20-2019, 03:35 PM
You people are a joke. There is no more Establishment position than President of the United States. And there has been no one who has sucked the military-industrial complex's dick harder than Donald J. Trump. Trying to paint him as "anti-Establishment" just makes you, to paraphrase danno, look "retarded."
You are the retarded joke.

Nobody is more establishment than the people running the witch hunt and Trump has demonstrably bucked the establishment over and over.

acptulsa
05-20-2019, 03:38 PM
You are the retarded joke.

Nobody is more establishment than the people running the witch hunt and Trump has demonstrably bucked the establishment over and over.

http://66.media.tumblr.com/f5421115052c00e730a906a6aa57e9d1/tumblr_n9t4oo8Lto1s48ed7o6_250.gif

It takes a special kind of person to take kabuki theater seriously.

PierzStyx
05-20-2019, 03:40 PM
I'm not sure you understand how obstruction works. Obstruction of justice occurs whenever someone tries and obstruct an investigation into a crime. By definition it is BEFORE a verdict has been determined and therefore before guilt or innocence has been determined. Therefore it doesn't matter if Trump did or did not "collude" with Russia. You can obstruct justice and be innocent of the crime you're being accused of committing.


You can't obstruct an illegal investigation and Trump didn't even if you could.

Please do yourself a favor and reread my comment up there before you write something else so laughably inane.

You people really are cultists.

PierzStyx
05-20-2019, 03:42 PM
It takes a special kind of person to take kabuki theater seriously.

But then they are special. Really special.

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Swordsmyth
05-20-2019, 03:45 PM
Please do yourself a favor and reread my comment up there before you write something else so laughably inane.

You people really are cultists.
Do yourself a favor and just stop embarrassing yourself, the investigation was illegal from stem to stern and Trump had the authority to terminate it but he chose to cooperate instead.

Swordsmyth
05-20-2019, 03:49 PM
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It takes a special kind of person to take kabuki theater seriously.
The things Trump has done to buck the establishment are definitely not Kabuki but if you are so sure this is all Kabuki then why are you taking it seriously?
And if it is all Kabuki wouldn't that mean Amash is selling out in participating in it? He never called for O'Bummer to be impeached for much worse crimes.


But then they are special. Really special.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/79554672c0e8b959f54f4170482c0f90/tenor.gif

Yes, you are certainly are, not only are you making an absolute fool out of yourself over taking the obstruction garbage seriously but then you agree with Tulsa that it is Kabuki and that anyone who takes it seriously is "special".

acptulsa
05-20-2019, 03:55 PM
The things Trump has done to buck the establishment are...

...print money, continue wars, continue the regulations that are creating windmill farms and electric cars, appoint neocons, screw family farmers...

He has pretty much been Obama Pale so far.

Swordsmyth
05-20-2019, 04:03 PM
...print money, continue wars, continue the regulations that are creating windmill farms and electric cars, appoint neocons, screw family farmers...

He has pretty much been Obama Pale so far.
LOL

There is a long list that many people have pointed out over and over so I won't bother to do it again.

acptulsa
05-20-2019, 04:05 PM
LOL

There is a long list that many people have pointed out over and over so I won't bother to do it again.

Why not? You seem to think you play a key part in the kabuki theater.

No reason to lay down on the job now.

Swordsmyth
05-20-2019, 04:10 PM
Why not? You seem to think you play a key part in the kabuki theater.

No reason to lay down on the job now.
Even my capacity for deriving enjoyment from annoying pigs has limits and your pathetic feigned ignorance of the substantial anti-establishment things Trump has done in addition to the things he has cooperated with them about currently exceeds it.

acptulsa
05-20-2019, 04:16 PM
Even my capacity for deriving enjoyment from annoying pigs has limits and your pathetic feigned ignorance of the substantial anti-establishment things Trump has done in addition to the things he has cooperated with them about currently exceeds it.

My ability to patiently endure your habit of using personal insults and spam as substitutes for reason has limits too.

Swordsmyth
05-20-2019, 04:20 PM
My ability to patiently endure your habit of using personal insults and spam as substitutes for reason has limits too.

:sleeping:

dannno
05-20-2019, 04:59 PM
You people are a joke. There is no more Establishment position than President of the United States. And there has been no one who has sucked the military-industrial complex's dick harder than Donald J. Trump. Trying to paint him as "anti-Establishment" just makes you, to paraphrase danno, look "retarded."

Uh, wow, you are completely clueless.

What you don't realize and what zippy is lying about is that ISIS is apart of the military industrial complex. Our country funded ISIS, so if Trump just left the region, it wouldn't be very nice to the people living there to leave them with that.

So Trump has been doing the opposite of what the military industrial complex wanted, and actually fought ISIS.

Now he wants to go home.



Trump : I'm not somebody that wants to go into war. War hurts economies, war kills people

Trump : Don't kid yourself, you have the military industrial complex. They do like war......I say I wanna bring our troops back home, the place went crazy...you have people here in Washington, they never wanna leave.....If it was up to them, they'd bring thousands of soldiers in.


Someday people will explain it. You do have a group, and they call it, the military industrial complex, they never wanna leave, they always wanna fight. I don't wanna fight.


http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?534714-Trump-discusses-Iran-names-Military-Industrial-Complex-doesn-t-want-war


All you are doing is promoting mainstream media garbage, you are doing as much to promote the military industrial complex as anybody. Who the fuck do you think the media works for??

Trump is by himself as the President, almost all of DC is against him... the establishment is against him, and you have teamed up with the Satanic establishment. I'm not even Christian, but the establishment is still clearly Satanic and you are taking their side.

If you actually got a clue and paid attention, you would be up to speed. But instead all you do is watch leftist nonsense on TV probably.

enhanced_deficit
05-20-2019, 05:22 PM
Have you read the entire Mueller report?

Just need context when I'm reading others posts.

If everything has to be read to have an opinion on it, there would be very few opinions... even among the experts. MAGA appointed AG (who's unbiased and not a 'Mexican Judge') and MAGA appointed/ allegedly prison tweet threatened Deputy AG (who's also unbiased and not a 'Mexican Judge') have read it and gave their verdict, that should be good enough.

This is a dangerous question, wish you had not raised it. There are already signs of alienations and defections over Iran/Venez sanctions & military escalationas , 3D with neocons, 2nd amendment, drain the swamp, path to DACA etc, do we really want to add another item to the list?

dannno
05-20-2019, 05:30 PM
I'm not sure you understand how obstruction works. Obstruction of justice occurs whenever someone tries and obstruct an investigation into a crime. By definition it is BEFORE a verdict has been determined and therefore before guilt or innocence has been determined. Therefore it doesn't matter if Trump did or did not "collude" with Russia. You can obstruct justice and be innocent of the crime you're being accused of committing.

Actually a lot of legal minds disagree with your little theory there.. only if it turns out you or someone committed the crime, then can you obstruct justice. Otherwise there is nothing to obstruct.

ATruepatriot
05-20-2019, 05:47 PM
I'm not sure you understand how obstruction works. Obstruction of justice occurs whenever someone tries and obstruct an investigation into a crime. By definition it is BEFORE a verdict has been determined and therefore before guilt or innocence has been determined. Therefore it doesn't matter if Trump did or did not "collude" with Russia. You can obstruct justice and be innocent of the crime you're being accused of committing.

Not if the warrant and investigation are illegal in the first place. He could obstruct all he wanted to and if the warrant and investigation were illegal everything found with that warrant and investigation gets tossed out including all the obstruction. If it was illegal there was no investigation to even obstruct. If he obstructed anything it would have been obstructing a crime.

enhanced_deficit
05-21-2019, 11:33 AM
Deputy AG Rosenstein read the report and did not find OoJ or any other major offences. He has great credibility, reputation and fitness to serve. Based on Rosenstein's recommendation, Barr told Congress that there was nothing major to see in full Mueller Report being kept secret.

So we should close this case also.




Related

Republican lawmakers led by Meadows, chairman of the House Freedom Caucus one of President Trump’s top allies in Congress, have drafted eight articles of impeachment (http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/385713-rosenstein-knocks-republicans-who-wrote-draft-calling-for-his) against Rosenstein. The articles make a series of charges against Rosenstein and question his credibility, reputation and fitness to serve.
Rosenstein defiant as impeachment talk rises (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?521867-Rosenstein-defiant-as-impeachment-talk-rises&)

EBounding
05-22-2019, 12:32 PM
Ya, it's in there somewhere, they just haven't released it yet..

EBounding, you are on zippy's side right now. You need to wake the $#@! up. When you are on zippy's side of an important issue, you need to, at minimum, seriously reconsider your position.

What is Zippy's side? Am I subscribed to his newsletter or something?

dannno
05-22-2019, 12:38 PM
What is Zippy's side? Am I subscribed to his newsletter or something?

Zippy is on the side of the establishment, and yes, you are essentially subscribed to the establishment newsletter if you are of the opinion that even though Trump was found to have never colluded with Russia and the entire investigation was a hoax, some how Trump discouraging the investigation is obstruction of justice..

Ron Paul has made tons of videos about how the whole Russia hoax nonsense is total BS. You should listen to Ron Paul more than zippy's sources when it comes to Trump/Russia hoax bs.

Rand Paul talks about how the Democrats are the ones who broke the law by spying on Trump's campaign. Even Judge Nap held that position before he got blackmailed.

It's pretty clear what is going on here, I don't know why someone like you can't see it.

EBounding
05-28-2019, 07:16 PM
Justin Amash’s primary opponent has not read the Mueller report.

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Stratovarious
05-28-2019, 07:36 PM
What is Zippy's side? Am I subscribed to his newsletter or something?

Let's see, you arrived here 8 years ago and don't know Zippy's side, do you mind if
I guess your iq , mmmm...... ok not off the scale , not quite on the
scale either.

4000 posts and one green rep dot, have you not yet answered your own question/s?



: )

RJB
05-28-2019, 07:43 PM
I am curious if it is obstruction to stop a cop from planting evidence, murdering someone, searching without a warrant, etc.? This whole investigation was a fraud from the very beginning.

UWDude
05-28-2019, 08:09 PM
Justin Amash’s primary opponent has not read the Mueller report.

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Sounds like somebody that knows better than to waste their time on worthless nonsense.