Trump Considering Replacing Bolton : Report

[Swordsmyth]

US media reports suggest that President Donald Trump is considering replacing his hawkish National Security Adviser John Bolton over his plans to push the United States towards a military conflict with Iran, Venezuela and North Korea.
Bolton “is headed for the exits, having flown too close to the sun on his regime change efforts for Iran, Venezuela and North Korea,” The National Interest magazine reported Tuesday, citing sources familiar with the matter.
“Hearing that Trump wants him out,” a former senior Trump administration official told the magazine (https://nationalinterest.org/feature/bolton%E2%80%99s-war-iran-becoming-reality-57507).
There is speculation in Washington “that there’s now daylight between Trump and Bolton,” the report added.
The fighting has also expanded to include US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, officials say. A State Department official and a former White House official both report that Bolton and Pompeo are “fighting all the time.”


A former senior official in the State Department said Pompeo is enthusiastic about isolating Iran, but fearful of an actual war that might engulf much of the Middle East.

“John Bolton is the problem … Trump’s national security adviser is getting dangerous…particularly to the president’s ideals,” Douglas Macgregor, a Bolton rival and would-be successor, writes in Spectator USA.
Trump ran his election campaign on the promise to pull the US military out of Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria — unwinnable post-9/11 wars that have consumed American lives and military budgets.
That partial retreat remains one of Trump’s strongest points in his pitch to be the so-called outsider president.
But Bolton is working in exactly the opposite direction.

More at: https://www.globalresearch.ca/trump-considering-replacing-john-bolton-report/5677649

[ATruepatriot]

Good... But will he get any credit for it? no, not here for sure.

[Anti Globalist]

Great if he ends up doing it, but he should have never hired him in the first place.

[Swordsmyth]

It's been a bad year on the job for John Bolton.
https://zh-prod-1cc738ca-7d3b-4a72-b792-20bd8d8fa069.storage.googleapis.com/s3fs-public/inline-images/Ambassador-John-Bolton-NeoCon-Donald-Trump-HR-McMaster-Mad-Dog-Mattis-Geopolitics-VIVISXN-MEDIA-We-love-John-Bolton-Big-Bad-Walrus-Moustache%20%281%29_0.jpg
Whether it is blowing up the Hanoi Summit with a memo (http://archive.is/mOGkN#selection-429.0-437.227), embarrassing the US abroad by backing a Venezuelan coup which fizzled out or getting American forces into a potential war with Iran based solely on non-specific Israeli intelligence (http://archive.is/AcNdI) the National Security Advisor has shown himself to be unable to help President Donald Trump deliver on campaign promises but adept at creating a mess. Since assuming his position in April 2018, Bolton has dragged Trump, who ran on a platform of non-intervention and a re-haul of American foreign policy strategies, into a myriad of problems that have caused him to contradict his own agenda. This is the result of extreme incompetence if not outright sabotage (https://disobedientmedia.com/2019/04/its-time-for-john-bolton-to-go/).
With Trump reportedly growing frustrated (http://archive.is/UEkL9) with Bolton, a new candidate for the job should be suggested. The President ought to consider retired Army Colonel Douglas Macgregor.
Macgregor has an anti-establishment flair that causes him not to get along with the bureaucratic class who Trump popularly clashed with in the 2016 US Presidential election. He was the squadron operations officer responsible for directing US troops on the ground in the legendary Battle of 73 Easting (http://archive.is/rcB2r) during the Gulf War where American armored vehicles defeated a much Iraqi detachment. But his dislike for gamesmanship and blunt demeanor meant that Macgregor did not thrive in the military despite his ability to innovate on the battlefield. A perfect match for Trump, who prefers officials that are not liked by the herd.
"Make Donald Trump Great Again (http://archive.is/ORVF1)" is Macgregor's mantra. It is much needed in an administration where the President often seems to be the only one who still champions foreign policy objectives like the border wall that originally caught the attention of his base. While Bolton lives eternally in the Cold War, Macgregor's focus is on the problems afflicting a United States that is struggling without grace to find its place in the modern world. He rightly calls out Bolton's insistence on an "all or nothing" approach to negotiations with North Korea that have prevented a peace deal and rages about constant attempts by Washington insiders to induce Trump to backtrack on policy announcements that him look weak and self-contradictory in the process.
The strategy pursued by Bolton and his contemporaries seeks to return the United States to the unipolar era of the 1990's when America's dominance was secured by a ruined Russia and a still-developing China. They have not learned from the lessons of the USSR, which collapsed because it was simply unable to keep up with the expenses of running a global empire that an economically dominant United States could once handle.
America's shifting role in the world (http://archive.is/sKmpa) is very much on the mind of Macgregor. It is reflected in his skepticism of NATO (http://archive.is/VrlQt), his calls for reform of the military (http://archive.is/NHBRR) and his criticism of America's wars that drag on for years but no longer result in victories (http://archive.is/thAvY). His distaste for foreign wars (http://archive.is/AlIyn) that sap a nation's global power and do not meaningfully help America achieve its foreign policy objectives is a refreshing change from the hawkish behavior of Bolton, who is currently drawing the United States dangerously close to a conflict with Iran (http://archive.is/DPbhP). Macgregor compares Bolton (http://archive.is/EI6av) to Don Gaspar de Guzmán, the advisor to Spain’s King Philip IV who crashed the debt-ridden Spanish empire by engaging it in sporadic and unhelpful foreign interventions. Philip IV is notorious for this failure while Guzmán is now long forgotten. If Trump does not release Bolton soon his legacy will likely suffer the same fate.
America cannot afford the foolish council of those who are unable or unwilling to see the crisis that the country currently sits in. Take a chance on someone who goes against the grain.


https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-16/bolton-choking-foreign-policy-heres-who-should-replace-him

[Swordsmyth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBa9l5zUlBI

[oyarde]

Bolton should just quit shaving . Get the beard to go with that mustache . It would be good if Trump moved on from him .

[oyarde]

Great if he ends up doing it, but he should have never hired him in the first place.

I would not hire him for that job but maybe a position for him on Border patrol or something .

[Swordsmyth]

U.S. President Donald Trump has told his top advisers he does not want to get the United States involved in a war with Iran, three U.S. officials said on Thursday."He doesn't want to go to war. It's not who he is," one official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.
Trump has communicated to his national security team and other aides that wants to keep tensions with Tehran from boiling over into an armed conflict, the officials said.


Trump told reporters on Thursday that he hoped the United States was not heading to war with Iran as he met with Switzerland President Ueli Maurer, whose nation has served as a liaison conduit between the two countries since they do not have diplomatic relations.
"Hope not," Trump said when asked by reporters if Washington was going to war with Tehran.


"The president has been clear, the United States does not seek military conflict with Iran, and he is open to talks with Iranian leadership. However, Iran’s default option for 40 years has been violence, and we will protect U.S. personnel and interests in the region," said Garrett Marquis, spokesman for the White House National Security Council.
A White House statement said the two leaders discussed "a range of international issues, including the crises in the Middle East and in Venezuela."
Trump has said publicly he wants to pursue a diplomatic route with Iran a year after withdrawing the United States from the 2015 Iran nuclear deal. He has said privately that he was worried that some of his advisers, such as White House national security adviser John Bolton, were pushing for war, two officials said.

More at: https://news.yahoo.com/trump-tells-aides-does-not-want-u-war-000211356.html

[enhanced_deficit]

Assuming is is not fakenews , this could be a blunder and harm Iran sanctions/military escalation effort.

Bolton, Pompeo, Netnyahu , Kushner are some of the strongest foreign policy experts he's surrounded himself with, getting rid of one could create a slippery slope and cause other experts exit also. Do we really want that?

White House Reviews Military Plans Against Iran ; no proof of Israeli hand in pushing war (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?534462-White-House-Reviews-Military-Plans-Against-Iran-no-proof-of-Israeli-hand-in-pushing-war&)
https://s19453.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/001-01.jpg




Confirmed Non-fakenews:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/images/icons/icon14.png Trump: John Bolton is very good (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?534524-Trump-John-Bolton-is-very-good&)

John Bolton Wins “Defender of Israel” Award from Zionist Lobby Group that Helped Appoint Him (https://www.mintpressnews.com/john-bolton-wins-defender-of-israel-award-from-zionist-lobby-group/251729/)
(https://www.mintpressnews.com/john-bolton-wins-defender-of-israel-award-from-zionist-lobby-group/251729/)https://www.mintpressnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Special-Features-Bolton-Declares-article-picture-6-INSTRUCTIONS-CROP-OUT-THE-PIC-OF-THE-MAN-ON-THE-FAR-RIGHT-IN-PHOTO_edited.jpg
The Lobby

The ZOA, Bolton’s enthusiastic sponsor, led the campaign to remove former National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster from his post after railing against McMaster’s “anti-Israel” positions, most notably his support for the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), better known as the Iran nuclear deal.
https://www.mintpressnews.com/john-bolton-wins-defender-of-israel-award-from-zionist-lobby-group/251729/






Fakenews 2017:

Trump Considering Replacing Ivanka and Kushner : Report

By Beatrice Dupuy On 11/22/17

President Donald Trump has told his daughter Ivanka Trump, and her husband, Jared Kushner, to move back to New York, fueling rumors of a strained relationship between his son-in-law and senior adviser, according to a new report.

The latest report follows an earlier story in Politico (https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/29/jared-ivanka-trump-white-house-role-john-kelly-243321) that Trump has mentioned his concerns in front of other staffers, telling his daughter and White House adviser, “Baby, you’re getting killed, this is a bad deal.”
Kushner’s influence in the White House appears to be waning, signaling that the couple could soon be leaving town. Vanity Fair (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/11/jared-kushner-horizons-are-collapsing-within-the-west-wing) reported that chief of staff John Kelly has “clipped his wings.”

Donald Trump Wants Ivanka and Jared Kushner to Move Back Home to NYC (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?517242-quot-Donald-Trump-Wants-Ivanka-and-Jared-Kushner-to-Move-Back-Home-to-NYC-quot&)

[kcchiefs6465]

Good... But will he get any credit for it? no, not here for sure.
Well, he did appoint the demon, right?

[dannno]

U.S. President Donald Trump has told his top advisers he does not want to get the United States involved in a war with Iran, three U.S. officials said on Thursday."He doesn't want to go to war. It's not who he is," one official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.

Ya, that's who Hillary is.

[Champ]

See ya.

[eleganz]

Once you realize what kind of person Trump is and what his motives are, he is pretty predictable. But some idiots here have their heads so far up their asses, linking to garbage like ThinkProgress and Salon to make their point, its sad and the TDS shows.

[ATruepatriot]

Well, he did appoint the demon, right?

Using that same logic, should Ron Paul be hated forever because he hired and trusted campaign officers who ended up throwing him under the bus and making him look bad? Hey... Ron hired them right? His fault right? No... he trusted the wrong people and got screwed. He made a mistake in trusting the wrong people but I can't fault him for this mistake.

Here is the thing. Does anyone actually think a President of the United States of America has the time to fully and personally investigate and do background on everyone he plans to appoint? Like the CEO of a large company he has to depend on a whole boardroom of supposedly trusted advisors to help with this because he just doesn't have the time to do it himself, who would? Being president is a 24-7 very fast paced responsibility and it is very easy for mistakes to made in this extreme environment. He is very dependent on aids and advisors to do a lot of the leg work for him. If he is personally guilty of anything it is trusting the wrong advice and people just like Ron Paul did. I got to have the guy some credit for already getting rid of a whole bunch of people who screwed him over after he thought he could trust them. The fact that he tries to fix his mistakes before they make too much more trouble means quite a bit to me.

It's too bad that no one ever gives any credit for good moves, only perpetual hate forever for even just one bad move. Reality is people are not perfect and make mistakes, learning from them and repairing them is a huge virtue that should be appreciated. Trump is showing the virtue of questioning even his own moves with this one and I personally respect that wisdom and self reflection. More of us should do that.

[ILUVRP]

Bolton, Pompeo, Netnyahu , Kushner are some of the strongest foreign policy experts he's surrounded himself with, getting rid of one could create a slippery slope and cause other experts exit also. Do we really want that?

the easy answer is yes , get rid of pompeo at the same time .

every time i see who trump appoints or does i ask myself would ron paul have done .

[Bern]

Unnamed sources in a story originally published by an Irving Kristol magazine? Sounds legit.

Still... I want to believe

[Superfluous Man]

Good... But will he get any credit for it? no, not here for sure.

Of course. But not before it actually happens. He gets zero credit for just putting out the rumor that he's considering it.

[Superfluous Man]

Using that same logic, should Ron Paul be hated forever because he hired and trusted campaign officers who ended up throwing him under the bus and making him look bad?

I'm not sure that's even an accurate assessment. But to the extent that he did that, and had reason to know the people he hired were going to do that, then yes, of course the buck stops with him for those decisions.

I don't think you really have any examples of his doing that which are comparable to Trump hiring Bolton though, given that Bolton was already not just famous for his hawkish neoconservative views, but so thoroughly identified with them that to hire him could only be intended as a deliberate attempt to incorporate that foreign policy into the administration.

The running theme from Trump defenders since the day he took office is that the buck never stops with him. In all things he is a hapless victim of underlings who are somehow not his responsibility. Either that, or they twist his flaws, such as total dishonesty, lack of civility, and opposition to free trade, into things that we're somehow actually supposed to admire.

[ATruepatriot]

Of course. But not before it actually happens. He gets zero credit for just putting out the rumor that he's considering it.

I absolutely agree... It ain't over until the fat orange man actually does it. Actions speak louder than words in all cases both good and bad.

[ATruepatriot]

I'm not sure that's even an accurate assessment. But to the extent that he did that, and had reason to know the people he hired were going to do that, then yes, of course the buck stops with him for those decisions.

Ron was directly viewed as responsible for his presidential campaign managers Jesse Benton, John Tate and Demetri Kesari who were all found guilty of paying former Iowa State Senator Kent Sorenson $73,000 to switch his support from Rep. Michele Bachmann to Paul. This was a huge and serious campaign violation and he trusted the wrong people and was blamed for what they did because it was HIS campaign.

All I'm saying is that I have to give Trump credit for at least considering the possibility that he may have made a mistake and has indeed made efforts to try and fix the issue including getting rid of people who did him no favors instead of continuing the mistake . Most politicians NEVER make mistakes and never regroup and try to fix them. They just allow the ball to keep rolling and never admit to or take responsibility for their own mistakes no matter what the costs are. At least he considers that he very well might have made a mistake with who he hired and who he trusted. Very few people have the integrity and judgement of self to do this. I don't care who this virtue comes from, even if from my worst enemy, I respect it.

[Anti Globalist]

I would not hire him for that job but maybe a position for him on Border patrol or something .
I wouldn't give him any job at all, not even as a dog walker.

[kcchiefs6465]

Using that same logic, should Ron Paul be hated forever because he hired and trusted campaign officers who ended up throwing him under the bus and making him look bad? Hey... Ron hired them right? His fault right? No... he trusted the wrong people and got screwed. He made a mistake in trusting the wrong people but I can't fault him for this mistake.

Here is the thing. Does anyone actually think a President of the United States of America has the time to fully and personally investigate and do background on everyone he plans to appoint? Like the CEO of a large company he has to depend on a whole boardroom of supposedly trusted advisors to help with this because he just doesn't have the time to do it himself, who would? Being president is a 24-7 very fast paced responsibility and it is very easy for mistakes to made in this extreme environment. He is very dependent on aids and advisors to do a lot of the leg work for him. If he is personally guilty of anything it is trusting the wrong advice and people just like Ron Paul did. I got to have the guy some credit for already getting rid of a whole bunch of people who screwed him over after he thought he could trust them. The fact that he tries to fix his mistakes before they make too much more trouble means quite a bit to me.

It's too bad that no one ever gives any credit for good moves, only perpetual hate forever for even just one bad move. Reality is people are not perfect and make mistakes, learning from them and repairing them is a huge virtue that should be appreciated. Trump is showing the virtue of questioning even his own moves with this one and I personally respect that wisdom and self reflection. More of us should do that.
It is not like John Bolton was some low level nobody that no one had heard of before his appointment or that he was an in law of Trump’s brought aboard the campaign trail.

Poor Trump- he appoints the worst possible people and then gets semi burnt and then goes on to appoint the worst possible people again.

This is ignoring the fact that many of these worst possible people have policy opinions that line up with Trump.

Say John Bolton goes, do you really think a noninterventionist is going to get the position? No, it will be another beholden to Israel salesman of satan.

[ATruepatriot]

Say John Bolton goes, do you really think a noninterventionist is going to get the position? No, it will be another beholden to Israel salesman of satan.

This may very well be. Just sharing that in all my years since my first election for Reagan, this is the first time I have seen a President take a second look at something and consider it as a possible mistake.

[Cap]

It is not like John Bolton was some low level nobody that no one had heard of before his appointment or that he was an in law of Trump’s brought aboard the campaign trail.

Poor Trump- he appoints the worst possible people and then gets semi burnt and then goes on to appoint the worst possible people again.

This is ignoring the fact that many of these worst possible people have policy opinions that line up with Trump.

Say John Bolton goes, do you really think a noninterventionist is going to get the position? No, it will be another beholden to Israel salesman of satan.

This looks like a job for...

https://rightweb.irc-online.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/elliott-abrams1-1.jpg

[angelatc]

Great if he ends up doing it, but he should have never hired him in the first place.

This

[Anti Globalist]

Bolton has been involved in presidential administrations since Reagan and HW Bush. We know exactly what his positions are in term of foreign policy. Trump obviously knew of these positions as well but still decided to hire him. Even if he hired him because he thought that he could keep him in check, he should have known that Bolton was going to fight against him at every turn.

[dannno]

It is not like John Bolton was some low level nobody that no one had heard of before his appointment or that he was an in law of Trump’s brought aboard the campaign trail.

Poor Trump- he appoints the worst possible people and then gets semi burnt and then goes on to appoint the worst possible people again.

This is ignoring the fact that many of these worst possible people have policy opinions that line up with Trump.

Say John Bolton goes, do you really think a noninterventionist is going to get the position? No, it will be another beholden to Israel salesman of satan.

I've been saying for 3 years now what his strategy is, and it seems pretty clear as time goes on that I am right. I mean, I haven't been totally vindicated yet, but it is heading in that direction and everything points to what I've been saying as true.

Trump brought in the worst of the MIC in order to in part reverse years of damage that our foreign interventions have caused.

We all know that the previous administration, and the administration before that were funding and supporting ISIS and Al Qaeda terrorists for various nefarious reasons which were not disclosed by the mainstream media. In fact, they would barely mention it and if they did it would get swept down the memory hole and never brought up again.

Ron Paul's solution would have been to just leave. That is a valid solution, and probably the best solution. However, the problem with that solution is we leave a powerful, evil force who we gave money and weapons to and would not exist had we not funded and supported them. Another valid solution is to go in and actually reverse some of what we did by taking out ISIS, which was devastating the communities there, and then leaving... leaving them in better shape than when Trump got into office.

Trump specifically campaigned on that solution, so it's not like I am even 4D chessing this. Trump said he wanted to take out ISIS and then end the wars and come home in his campaign. Ron Paul said he didn't know if he would accomplish it, but he hoped that he would.

Now you may believe, deep down in your heart, that Trump is a bad guy and that can't possibly be true, he is just going to keep doing the bidding of the MIC. But what Trump has done so far does not go against what he campaigned on, which was to take out ISIS then leave. So you have no more evidence for your position, and probably less, than I do for mine.

I said Trump would start pulling us out within a year or two. TheCount even put it in his signature. Within 2 years, he announced we were leaving. His staff pushed back, begged for more time. Trump knows their thirst for war cannot be quenched, and I knew eventually he would have to get rid of them. It is starting now. But he began the process in under 2 years, and I think we will see the day come when we actually start pulling out of these wars.

Bolton wanted 3 more wars on top of the wars we are already in. Any other establishment President would have gone to work on that. Trump has been great at holding these people back and making them stick to the job he tasked them with. I don't think he has is perfect, but I don't think it can be argued that the world isn't a much safer place, better place with less war with Trump is in office.

[Zippyjuan]

Trump only hires the best people. Bolton must be the best.

[Zippyjuan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGcf28JmJMo

[juleswin]

Trump Resumes Funding for the White Helmets in Syria
It remains an indisputable fact that the group only operates in al-Qaeda and anti-Assad insurgent held territory.

by ZeroHedge.com

In a somewhat surprising but not entirely unpredictable turn, President Trump has authorized new funding for the White Helmets which had previously been put on hold.

A State Department press release puts the initial funding figure at $6.6 million to continue what it calls “the vital, life-saving operations of the Syrian Civil Defense, more commonly known as the White Helmets.” Elsewhere on the State Department’s website the group is referenced as “first responders” in Syria; however, it remains an indisputable fact that the group only operates in al-Qaeda and anti-Assad insurgent held territory.

The statement continues: “The United States Government strongly supports the White Helmets who have saved more than 100,000 lives since the conflict began including victims of Assad’s chemical weapons attacks.”

In early May the Trump State Department froze funding to the controversial aid group which had provided the sole evidence that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad reportedly used chemical weapons on his own people in an April 7 attack on the city of Douma.

The prior funding freeze dealt a huge blow to the group’s reputation, already long under fire after multiple videos emerged proving the White Helmets operate closely alongside know al-Qaeda terrorist groups, and have even participated in al-Qaeda execution videos typically in a support role of disposing the bodies.

Remember when everybody gave credit to Trump for ending the Obama era admin funding of the terror group? well, Trump restarted it last year and everything is good now

[Firestarter]

Maybe get somebody else from the Gatestone Institute?!?
Or at least affiliated with Nina Rosenwald or the Rennerts: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?520558-Trump-Election-Consultant-Firm-Cambridge-Analytica-Execs-Caught-Discussing-Extortion-Fake-News&p=6696871&viewfull=1#post6696871

In 2017, John Bolton (before he became Trump’s NSA) was awarded “The Guardian of Zion Award” by Rennert.
https://archive.is/oWWyJ/0333128854be2eb198471e474162945ebbf64c9d.png

[dannno]

Trump only hires the best people. Bolton must be the best.

He is probably pretty good at knowing how to take out ISIS. He just sucks at leaving after the mission is done. So now he leaves instead.

[dannno]

Remember when everybody gave credit to Trump for ending the Obama era admin funding of the terror group? well, Trump restarted it last year and everything is good now

Did you read what you posted? It said that earlier the problem was they were operating alongside terrorist groups. Those groups are largely gone now.

[juleswin]

I've been saying for 3 years now what his strategy is, and it seems pretty clear as time goes on that I am right. I mean, I haven't been totally vindicated yet, but it is heading in that direction and everything points to what I've been saying as true.

Trump brought in the worst of the MIC in order to in part reverse years of damage that our foreign interventions have caused.

We all know that the previous administration, and the administration before that were funding and supporting ISIS and Al Qaeda terrorists for various nefarious reasons which were not disclosed by the mainstream media. In fact, they would barely mention it and if they did it would get swept down the memory hole and never brought up again.

Ron Paul's solution would have been to just leave. That is a valid solution, and probably the best solution. However, the problem with that solution is we leave a powerful, evil force who we gave money and weapons to and would not exist had we not funded and supported them. Another valid solution is to go in and actually reverse some of what we did by taking out ISIS, which was devastating the communities there, and then leaving... leaving them in better shape than when Trump got into office.

Trump specifically campaigned on that solution, so it's not like I am even 4D chessing this. Trump said he wanted to take out ISIS and then end the wars and come home in his campaign. Ron Paul said he didn't know if he would accomplish it, but he hoped that he would.

Now you may believe, deep down in your heart, that Trump is a bad guy and that can't possibly be true, he is just going to keep doing the bidding of the MIC. But what Trump has done so far does not go against what he campaigned on, which was to take out ISIS then leave. So you have no more evidence for your position, and probably less, than I do for mine.

I said Trump would start pulling us out within a year or two. TheCount even put it in his signature. Within 2 years, he announced we were leaving. His staff pushed back, begged for more time. Trump knows their thirst for war cannot be quenched, and I knew eventually he would have to get rid of them. It is starting now. But he began the process in under 2 years, and I think we will see the day come when we actually start pulling out of these wars.

Bolton wanted 3 more wars on top of the wars we are already in. Any other establishment President would have gone to work on that. Trump has been great at holding these people back and making them stick to the job he tasked them with. I don't think he has is perfect, but I don't think it can be argued that the world isn't a much safer place, better place with less war with Trump is in office.

The problem with Dannno's theory is that we the US only have to stop supporting and funding ISIS to kill it. All you need to do is end the support and funding, pull out of the area and allow Syria, Russia and Iran to finish them off. Withing 3 months of Russia getting into the fight, they completely destroyed ISIS oil making and trading infrastructure, 1000s of lorries carrying oil were destroyed, HQs and ammo depot bomb and ISIS was on the retreat.

But instead of doing the most logical, non interventionist, cheapest and easiest way around this problem, Trump increased sanctions on Syria, Iran and Russia, continued funding of white helmets and increased occupation of Syrian land. This way, virtually all the ISIS that were occupying Deir Ezzor were able to escaped via SDF controlled areas. This is not Trump fighting ISIS instead it is him pretending to be fighting ISIS.

[juleswin]

Did you read what you posted? It said that earlier the problem was they were operating alongside terrorist groups. Those groups are largely gone now.

Al Qaeda is still in Id lib and the US still to this day bitches and moans whenever the anti terrorists groups goes to hunt them. I know u have convinced yourself that Trump is fighting ISIS a little bit more aggressive that Obama fought them but all signs points to him just trying to cover for Obama and the neocons.

There is a line from some article about rape that always comes to mind whenever you try to explain your 3D Trump chess game. It goes like this


it's a circular assertions: rape victims often appear non credible because rape victims often appear non-credible. How do you determine who's a real victim if you can't rely on reliability?

The background to the quote was made when the lawyers tried to explain Cosby's so called victim continuing to act like a non victim to him for decades after the so called rape had occurred

The problem with your side is that Trump does act like a neocon, he appoints them to his cabinet, he continues their wars, he sanctions their enemies. He does just about everything one would expect a neocon to do. Essentially he acts like a non victim but somehow you want people to believe that in actuality, he is a victim. That logic might work on some SJWs but it doesn't work for me. The truth is that is no way to reliably determine that Trump is infact trying to undermine the neocons when he is busy doing their bidding so we should conclude that until such evidence present itself, Trump is a neocon

[enhanced_deficit]

Good... But will he get any credit for it? no, not here for sure.

Tend to agree.

Neither will get any credit from ZOA or his top donor or even Jarvanka probably if OP reported turned out to be non-fakenews:


John Bolton Wins “Defender of Israel” Award from Zionist Lobby Group that Helped Appoint Him (https://www.mintpressnews.com/john-bolton-wins-defender-of-israel-award-from-zionist-lobby-group/251729/)
https://www.mintpressnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Special-Features-Bolton-Declares-article-picture-6-INSTRUCTIONS-CROP-OUT-THE-PIC-OF-THE-MAN-ON-THE-FAR-RIGHT-IN-PHOTO_edited.jpg
The Lobby
The ZOA, Bolton’s enthusiastic sponsor, led the campaign to remove former National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster from his post after railing against McMaster’s “anti-Israel” positions, most notably his support for the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), better known as the Iran nuclear deal.

[RonZeplin]

Maybe President Trump is considering replacing The Stash with Meghan McCain?

https://nypdecider.files.wordpress.com/2018/02/meghan-mccain-donald-trump.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=646&h=431&crop=1

[TheCount]

I've been saying for 3 years now what his strategy is, and it seems pretty clear as time goes on that I am right. I mean, I haven't been totally vindicated yet, but it is heading in that direction and everything points to what I've been saying as true.

Trump brought in the worst of the MIC in order to in part reverse years of damage that our foreign interventions have caused.

How's that going thus far?


You say that's what he's doing, but you have absolutely nothing to show for it. Every word that you say beyond this point is aspirational and based on what Trump has said rather than what Trump has done. Isn't that the thing that you keep telling everyone else not to do?




I said Trump would start pulling us out within a year or two. TheCount even put it in his signature. Within 2 years, he announced we were leaving.

Announced. He announces a lot of things.


It is starting now. But he began the process in under 2 years, and I think we will see the day come when we actually start pulling out of these wars.

If the day has not yet come when we actually start pulling out of these wars, then he hasn't begun the process. This is yet another instance of hardcore Trumpkins pre-celebrating his supposed achievements when all that's happened is that he said that he did something, despite the fact that absolutely no forward process has been made.


From here you dive into your typical 10D chess crystal ball fan fiction fantasy bullshit of what would have happened if not for Trump.


Bolton wanted 3 more wars on top of the wars we are already in. Any other establishment President would have gone to work on that. Trump has been great at holding these people back and making them stick to the job he tasked them with. I don't think he has is perfect, but I don't think it can be argued that the world isn't a much safer place, better place with less war with Trump is in office.


As I said in your last fan fiction thread:


At least half of your Trump posts read like a battered wife explaining why her black eye isn't her husband's fault.

[TheCount]

Hey, dannno, remember when you thought that Trump's national security adviser was secretly running the show from behind the scenes against the President's wishes, but said not to worry because Trump was going to get rid of him?

No, not right now with Bolton; two years ago, when you still believed and said all of the same things, just with a different name to carry the blame for Trump.



That's a very short-sighted comment.. there is a lot more going on here if you are paying attention.


https://medium.com/@Cernovich/president-mcmaster-mcmaster-to-meet-with-trump-to-discuss-who-is-running-the-white-house-f702acaa5be3

[dannno]

How's that going thus far?


You say that's what he's doing, but you have absolutely nothing to show for it. Every word that you say beyond this point is aspirational and based on what Trump has said rather than what Trump has done. Isn't that the thing that you keep telling everyone else not to do?





Announced. He announces a lot of things.



If the day has not yet come when we actually start pulling out of these wars, then he hasn't begun the process. This is yet another instance of hardcore Trumpkins pre-celebrating his supposed achievements when all that's happened is that he said that he did something, despite the fact that absolutely no forward process has been made.


From here you dive into your typical 10D chess crystal ball fan fiction fantasy bullshit of what would have happened if not for Trump.




As I said in your last fan fiction thread:

Thank you TDS for rearing your ugly head..

Gee, I guess getting rid of almost all of the ISIS strongholds (yes, there are a couple left) is not reversing our foreign policy to you, because you were probably one of those people who didn't believe that we were funding ISIS or Al Qaeda. Or maybe you did believe it, but you are evil and you think it was a good thing. I have no idea.

The point is, Trump announced he wants to pull out, he says he has been tempering Bolton a lot, the people in his circle say he doesn't want to start another war because "that isn't who he is". I explained why he hired Bolton, and it wasn't to push his pro-war agenda, it was to reverse our foreign policy mistakes. Which has demonstrably happened, no matter how much you bitch..

And I am the deluded one? You are the TDS fan fiction pusher, I'm just looking at the big picture.

[Sammy]

Trump should fire bolton if he want's my vote again...

[dannno]

Hey, @dannno (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=10908), remember when you thought that Trump's national security adviser was secretly running the show from behind the scenes against the President's wishes, but said not to worry because Trump was going to get rid of him?

No, not right now with Bolton; two years ago, when you still believed and said all of the same things, just with a different name to carry the blame for Trump.

What's your point?

Trump brought on a war monger to get rid of ISIS. He didn't like him so he fired him, and ISIS wasn't gone yet so he brought in another one.

Even though these guys all want to start 10 more wars, we haven't had any.. and ISIS is pretty much wiped out.

Trump is probably tired of all this BS war mongering, so I would hope to see someone a lot better after Bolton, but he still may bring in a military expert. Probably one who is more willing to strategically pull out.

[nikcers]

What's your point?

Trump brought on a war monger to get rid of ISIS. He didn't like him so he fired him, and ISIS wasn't gone yet so he brought in another one.

Even though these guys all want to start 10 more wars, we haven't had any.. and ISIS is pretty much wiped out.

Trump is probably tired of all this BS war mongering, so I would hope to see someone a lot better after Bolton, but he still may bring in a military expert. Probably one who is more willing to strategically pull out.

I thought ISIS was on our side and Russia wiped them out? :confused:

[dannno]

I thought ISIS was on our side and Russia wiped them out? :confused:

Yes, they were, until Trump. Trump fought ISIS, alongside Russia, thus the reversing years of damage our foreign policy caused.

[TheCount]

Trump brought on a war monger to get rid of ISIS. He didn't like him so he fired him, and ISIS wasn't gone yet so he brought in another one.

I would love to hear what role you think the national security adviser has in wiping out ISIS.

[TheCount]

And I am the deluded one?

Yes, you definitely are. And it's pretty hilarious.


How many military boondoggles is your precious Daddy Trump involved in right now?

[juleswin]

Yes, they were, until Trump. Trump fought ISIS, alongside Russia, thus the reversing years of damage our foreign policy caused.

I would like to see evidence of this.

[Firestarter]

This John Bolton (Trump’s new National Security Adviser) is in a league of his own – actually making “hilarious” jokes to “bomb, bomb Iran”...


On 15 April 2005, Melody Townsel sent a letter to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee members to protest against Bolton’s nomination for US ambassador to the UN by President Bush Jr.

Melody Townsel described that in the late summer of 1994 she had worked as the subcontracted leader of a US Agency for International Development (USAID) project in Kyrgyzstan. At the time she was employed Black, Manafort, Stone & Kelly.
Paul Manafort: former Trump campaign chairman; Roger Stone: Clinton basher, Trump advisor and associate of Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel.

Melody Townsel reported directly to Republican leader Charlie Black on the prime contractor's poor performance in Kyrgyzstan. Then she flew from Kyrgyzstan to Moscow where she met John Bolton, whom the prime contractor had hired as legal counsel.
For nearly 2 weeks, Bolton chased Townsel “through the halls of a Russian hotel - throwing things at me, shoving threatening letters under my door and, generally, behaving like a madman”.

John Bolton went to Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan 2 days before Townsel returned where he told other USAID team leaders and US foreign-service officials that Townsel would likely face jail time for misuse of funds. He also made insulting comments about Townsel’s weight, wardrobe and insinueated that she is a lesbian
John Bolton did become UN Ambassador though: http://www.lookingglassnews.org/viewstory.php?storyid=359
(archived here: http://archive.is/NM7o2)


Following is a nice video about what John Bolton stands for (in an interview at the Charles Koch Institute)…
Mass surveillance on everybody;
Bombing of Syria;
War in Iran;
John Bolton lied on WMDs in Iraq and then lied about his lies.

https://youtu.be/ch-1m8l-uHE

[Cap]

And yet he's still in the administration.

[enhanced_deficit]

And yet he's still in the administration.

Sometimes TDS fakenews media operation sends out fakenews too.


Fakenews 2017:

Trump Considering Replacing Ivanka and Kushner : Report

By Beatrice Dupuy On 11/22/17

President Donald Trump has told his daughter Ivanka Trump, and her husband, Jared Kushner, to move back to New York, fueling rumors of a strained relationship between his son-in-law and senior adviser, according to a new report.

The latest report follows an earlier story in Politico (https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/29/jared-ivanka-trump-white-house-role-john-kelly-243321) that Trump has mentioned his concerns in front of other staffers, telling his daughter and White House adviser, “Baby, you’re getting killed, this is a bad deal.”
Kushner’s influence in the White House appears to be waning, signaling that the couple could soon be leaving town. Vanity Fair (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/11/jared-kushner-horizons-are-collapsing-within-the-west-wing) reported that chief of staff John Kelly has “clipped his wings.”

Donald Trump Wants Ivanka and Jared Kushner to Move Back Home to NYC (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?517242-quot-Donald-Trump-Wants-Ivanka-and-Jared-Kushner-to-Move-Back-Home-to-NYC-quot&)

[nikcers]

Sometimes TDS fakenews media operation sends out fakenews too.




so theres a chance?

[RonZeplin]

Yes, you definitely are. And it's pretty hilarious.


How many military boondoggles is your precious Daddy Trump involved in right now?

http://i.imgur.com/hXYYSmW.jpg

[susano]

US media reports suggest that President Donald Trump is considering replacing his hawkish National Security Adviser John Bolton over his plans to push the United States towards a military conflict with Iran, Venezuela and North Korea.
Bolton “is headed for the exits, having flown too close to the sun on his regime change efforts for Iran, Venezuela and North Korea,” The National Interest magazine reported Tuesday, citing sources familiar with the matter.
“Hearing that Trump wants him out,” a former senior Trump administration official told the magazine (https://nationalinterest.org/feature/bolton%E2%80%99s-war-iran-becoming-reality-57507).
There is speculation in Washington “that there’s now daylight between Trump and Bolton,” the report added.
The fighting has also expanded to include US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, officials say. A State Department official and a former White House official both report that Bolton and Pompeo are “fighting all the time.”


A former senior official in the State Department said Pompeo is enthusiastic about isolating Iran, but fearful of an actual war that might engulf much of the Middle East.

“John Bolton is the problem … Trump’s national security adviser is getting dangerous…particularly to the president’s ideals,” Douglas Macgregor, a Bolton rival and would-be successor, writes in Spectator USA.
Trump ran his election campaign on the promise to pull the US military out of Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria — unwinnable post-9/11 wars that have consumed American lives and military budgets.
That partial retreat remains one of Trump’s strongest points in his pitch to be the so-called outsider president.
But Bolton is working in exactly the opposite direction.

More at: https://www.globalresearch.ca/trump-considering-replacing-john-bolton-report/5677649

Douglas Macgregor, a Bolton rival and would-be successor


Maybe Trump has been watching Tucker because Mac Gregor is a regular guest and I like him.

[enhanced_deficit]

Great if he ends up doing it, but he should have never hired him in the first place.

EM.

He was apparently under pressure ( not from likes of notorious Jeffrey Epstein).

[enhanced_deficit]

http://i.imgur.com/hXYYSmW.jpg


That was uncalled for.