Thank you Trump for $300 billion worth of tariffs on Chinese poisoned goods

[kahless]

The Trump administration is preparing tariffs on $300 billion worth of Chinese goods. Here are all the products that will get hit.
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/trump-china-trade-war-list-of-300-billion-of-chinese-goods-tariffs-2019-5-1028200711

Looking at the list most of this stuff I would not want to put on my dinner table considering where it is coming from and their piss poor record in food safety. This will be a boon for American producers and for the health our people.

The free trade traitors on Wall Street and the news media can piss off. They do not give a damn about the health and prosperity of the people in our country first. As far as I am concerned fuck Communist China and their shills.

[Swordsmyth]

The collapse of China will save the world from a nightmare.

[oyarde]

RPF's free trade crowd may not realize there really may not be free trade . Since those leftist sympathizers shop exclusively in cheap chinese products here are some of what they can expect to pay more for , phones , mules , buffalo ,sheep , goats , primates , camels , horse meat , whales , dolphins , porpoises , dugongs , walruses , cheese substitutes , hair , guts , bladders , stomachs , moss & lichens , chickpeas , brussel sprouts , pigeon peas , asparagus , egg plant , human hair wigs , umbrellas , curry , dill , thyme , sulfates , uranium , perfume , peppermint oil , warships , grenades , bombs , mines, torpedos , missiles and swords . Oyarde will continue to live like a king without any increase in prices . Enjoy your hair & cheese substitute sandwiches , LOL

[nikcers]

The collapse of China will save the world from a nightmare.

Does that mean all of the countries under the Chinese debt trap will be free?

[nikcers]

RPF's free trade crowd may not realize there really may not be free trade . Since those leftist sympathizers shop exclusively in cheap chinese products here are some of what they can expect to pay more for , phones , mules , buffalo ,sheep , goats , primates , camels , horse meat , whales , dolphins , porpoises , dugongs , walruses , cheese substitutes , hair , guts , bladders , stomachs , moss & lichens , chickpeas , brussel sprouts , pigeon peas , asparagus , egg plant , human hair wigs , umbrellas , curry , dill , thyme , sulfates , uranium , perfume , peppermint oil , warships , grenades , bombs , mines, torpedos , missiles and swords . Oyarde will continue to live like a king without any increase in prices . Enjoy your hair & cheese substitute sandwiches , LOL

muh hummus

[ATruepatriot]

RPF's free trade crowd may not realize there really may not be free trade . Since those leftist sympathizers shop exclusively in cheap chinese products here are some of what they can expect to pay more for , phones , mules , buffalo ,sheep , goats , primates , camels , horse meat , whales , dolphins , porpoises , dugongs , walruses , cheese substitutes , hair , guts , bladders , stomachs , moss & lichens , chickpeas , brussel sprouts , pigeon peas , asparagus , egg plant , human hair wigs , umbrellas , curry , dill , thyme , sulfates , uranium , perfume , peppermint oil , warships , grenades , bombs , mines, torpedos , missiles and swords . Oyarde will continue to live like a king without any increase in prices . Enjoy your hair & cheese substitute sandwiches , LOL

Now that's funny shit! lol

[James_Madison_Lives]

Does that mean all of the countries under the Chinese debt trap will be free?

Agree about health. All Chinese food including green tea branded as organic, consistently tests positive in toxic heavy metals like lead, mercury. Never eat anything from China until you have googled what toxic heavy metals tests are available. You'll be shocked. It is a criminal government with no regulations and they'll shove any poison at you and lie about it.

[ATruepatriot]

RPF's free trade crowd may not realize there really may not be free trade . Since those leftist sympathizers shop exclusively in cheap chinese products here are some of what they can expect to pay more for , phones , mules , buffalo ,sheep , goats , primates , camels , horse meat , whales , dolphins , porpoises , dugongs , walruses , cheese substitutes , hair , guts , bladders , stomachs , moss & lichens , chickpeas , brussel sprouts , pigeon peas , asparagus , egg plant , human hair wigs , umbrellas , curry , dill , thyme , sulfates , uranium , perfume , peppermint oil , warships , grenades , bombs , mines, torpedos , missiles and swords . Oyarde will continue to live like a king without any increase in prices . Enjoy your hair & cheese substitute sandwiches , LOL

I was looking at a list and the biggest thing we buy is electronic toys we just can't live without. :)

[nikcers]

Agree about health. All Chinese food including green tea branded as organic, consistently tests positive in toxic heavy metals like lead, mercury. Never eat anything from China until you have googled what toxic heavy metals tests are available. You'll be shocked. It is a criminal government with no regulations and they'll shove any poison at you and lie about it.

no seriously that whole belt and road thing is a scam, they bribe corrupt politicans into signing on to a debt trap that the country can't pay off. China will probably end up owning those countries if they don't collapse.

[oyarde]

Looks like Zip's deep fried chicken feet may be exempt but the insects are on the list .

[TheCount]

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[oyarde]

I am sure before trump there were free markets and RPF's got great deals on dog food , dry wall , stomachs , hair and cheese substitute .

[Zippyjuan]

RPF's free trade crowd may not realize there really may not be free trade . Since those leftist sympathizers shop exclusively in cheap chinese products here are some of what they can expect to pay more for , phones , mules , buffalo ,sheep , goats , primates , camels , horse meat , whales , dolphins , porpoises , dugongs , walruses , cheese substitutes , hair , guts , bladders , stomachs , moss & lichens , chickpeas , brussel sprouts , pigeon peas , asparagus , egg plant , human hair wigs , umbrellas , curry , dill , thyme , sulfates , uranium , perfume , peppermint oil , warships , grenades , bombs , mines, torpedos , missiles and swords . Oyarde will continue to live like a king without any increase in prices . Enjoy your hair & cheese substitute sandwiches , LOL

Not my walruses! I need more ivory and skins for my life-sized Alaskan boat.

[oyarde]

Not my walruses! I need more ivory and skins for my life-sized Alaskan boat.

Secretly , having my own team of walruses seems kind of cool if I get a Poseidon fork too but no need to bring the crazy animal rights people out of the basement .

[Zippyjuan]

Secretly , having my own team of walruses seems kind of cool if I get a Poseidon fork too but no need to bring the crazy animal rights people out of the basement .

I gave up on trying to raise them myself. They eat too much fish and smell. We used to race them.

[phill4paul]

Think of it as a consumer tax. Totally voluntary. Don't want to pay the tax? Don't buy Chinese shit. Buy American. Buy local.

[oyarde]

Think of it as a consumer tax. Totally voluntary. Don't want to pay the tax? Don't buy Chinese shit. Buy American. Buy local.

The best policy for quality.

[Zippyjuan]

Think of it as a consumer tax. Totally voluntary. Don't want to pay the tax? Don't buy Chinese $#@!. Buy American. Buy local.

Local producers raised the price of washing machines the same amounts that importers subject to tariffs did. You didn't avoid any tariffs by buying local- you still had to pay the higher price. Less competition lets them raise prices more.

[phill4paul]

Local producers raised the price of washing machines the same amounts that importers subject to tariffs did. You didn't avoid any tariffs by buying local- you still had to pay the higher price. Less competition lets them raise prices more.

I haven't paid a higher cost on any product I have bought of any significance. Buying is voluntary.

[ATruepatriot]

Local producers raised the price of washing machines the same amounts that importers subject to tariffs did. You didn't avoid any tariffs by buying local- you still had to pay the higher price. Less competition lets them raise prices more.

Actually you are right, but it's OK if it is propping up the correct economy, domestic. I remember when the steel workers union bitched because the price of Asian tires were being sold cheap. So O-Bro put a huge tariff on tires to bring them up to a more competitive price margin. What did the American companies do? Raised their prices right back up to the the same difference it was before the tariffs. Fucking greedy unions...

[Zippyjuan]

Actually you are right, but it's OK if it is propping up the correct economy, domestic. I remember when the steel workers union bitched because the price of Asian tires were being sold cheap. So O-Bro put a huge tariff on tires to bring them up to a more competitive price margin. What did the American companies do? Raised their prices right back up to the the same difference it was before the tariffs. $#@!ing greedy unions...

Not sure about the connection between steel workers and tires, but OK. Protecting one industry though can hurt others. The tariffs on steel and aluminum help workers in those industries but make it harder on industries which use steel and aluminum to produce things- and there are many more of them than there are steel and aluminum workers.

Iron and steel jobs total about 145,000. There are 2.5 million employed just in making cars.

[ATruepatriot]

Not sure about the connection between steel workers and tires, but OK. Protecting one industry though can hurt others. The tariffs on steel and aluminum help workers in those industries but make it harder on industries which use steel and aluminum to produce things- and there are many more of them than there are steel and aluminum workers.

They are all Steel Belted Radials. Big truck tires are all both steel belt tread and steel sidewalls. A lot of steel in a tire.

[Zippyjuan]

They are all Steel Belted Radials. Big truck tires are all both steel belt tread and steel sidewalls. A lot of steel in a tire.

Gotcha. I figured it would be the automakers more concerned about tire costs. As a percent of the steel market, I would imagine that tires are not a major component of demand?

[ATruepatriot]

Gotcha. I figured it would be the automakers more concerned about tire costs. As a percent of the steel market, I would imagine that tires are not a major component of demand?

Huge... Every tire made has steel in it, from car tires to heavy equipment tires. The steel in one set of four tires for only one big loader is the same as it would be to make a car. On an earthmover/scraper it would equal two cars. The 18 tires on one big rig and trailer equals the steel in an automobile. I don't know and never have checked but the tire steel industry is probably twice or three times what the auto industry is easy.

[ATruepatriot]

I would imagine that tires are not a major component of demand?

Are you kidding?

[Swordsmyth]

Does that mean all of the countries under the Chinese debt trap will be free?

It depends on the nature of their collapse and whether the countries involved try to renounce the debt.

[Zippyjuan]

Are you kidding?

I meant as a part of all uses of steel. The production of entire cars (including tires) is about ten percent of steel production. Tires are a small part of that.

[Swordsmyth]

Local producers raised the price of washing machines the same amounts that importers subject to tariffs did. You didn't avoid any tariffs by buying local- you still had to pay the higher price. Less competition lets them raise prices more.
I'd rather that the money go to American companies and workers instead of the ChiComs.

[Swordsmyth]

Think of it as a consumer tax. Totally voluntary. Don't want to pay the tax? Don't buy Chinese $#@!. Buy American. Buy local.
Or don't buy at all and pay down debt or build up savings.

[Zippyjuan]

Is ChiCom your new "commie"?

[ATruepatriot]

I meant as a part of all uses of steel. The production of entire cars (including tires) is about ten percent of steel production. Tires are a small part of that.

Absolutely not... lol

[Swordsmyth]

I am sure before trump there were free markets and RPF's got great deals on dog food , dry wall , stomachs , hair and cheese substitute .
I know you are joking but it needs to be repeated that Chinese government intervention doesn't make a free market.

[Swordsmyth]

Is ChiCom your new "commie"?
It's an old but accurate term of CHInese COMmunists.

[ATruepatriot]

It's an old but accurate term of CHInese COMmunists.

Sure is... Historical. And I'm starting to think Zippyjuan is not a Speedy Gonzales. His loyalty to China is far stronger than his loyalty to the southern countries.

[nikcers]

Trumps tarrif money should go directly towards funding the wall. It would be the greatest wall ever.

[oyarde]

I know you are joking but it needs to be repeated that Chinese government intervention doesn't make a free market.
I have never thought of anything in china in a positive light . Shit products are low priority to me and they have nothing else going for them either .

[Swordsmyth]

Sure is... Historical. And I'm starting to think Zippyjuan is not a Speedy Gonzales. His loyalty to China is far stronger than his loyalty to the southern countries.
There is a massive Chinese propaganda operation in this country and I wouldn't be at all surprised if Zippy is on their payroll.

[Brian4Liberty]

The Trump administration is preparing tariffs on $300 billion worth of Chinese goods. Here are all the products that will get hit.
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/trump-china-trade-war-list-of-300-billion-of-chinese-goods-tariffs-2019-5-1028200711

Looking at the list most of this stuff I would not want to put on my dinner table considering where it is coming from and their piss poor record in food safety. This will be a boon for American producers and for the health our people.

The free trade traitors on Wall Street and the news media can piss off. They do not give a damn about the health and prosperity of the people in our country first. As far as I am concerned fuck Communist China and their shills.

I would never intentionally buy anything edible, for humans or animals, from China. But they hide it sometimes, and sometimes you just have no idea. IIRC, some international trade negotiations required that the source of products be kept secret. Was it the US-EU deal?

[ATruepatriot]

There is a massive Chinese propaganda operation in this country and I wouldn't be at all surprised if Zippy is on their payroll.

It's starting to feel possible with my internet Zen.

[ATruepatriot]

I would never intentionally buy anything edible, for humans or animals, from China. But they hide it sometimes, and sometimes you just have no idea. IIRC, some international trade negotiations required that the source of products be kept secret. Was it the US-EU deal?

They have been caught many times over the years selling us dangerous products. They were once caught disposing of lead by adding it to products they were selling us. Ceramic and stoneware plates if I remember right.

[Swordsmyth]

It's starting to feel possible with my internet Zen.
He's not the only one around here either and then there are the victims of the propaganda who repeat it for free.

[ATruepatriot]

He's not the only one around here either and then there are the victims of the propaganda who repeat it for free.

It's not the Libertarians I started to hang with 10 years ago. When I started to hang with the movement at Nystrom's site they were all pretty much strict consitutionalists who would never ever support liberal Communist Socialistic ideology and aligned more with conservative values except war and Jackboots. All this pro-leftist anti-Constitution propaganda is new for me and sad to see. They even used to like and care about kids and the next generations. I now see very little of that compassion for the long term future anymore.

[Swordsmyth]

It's not the Libertarians I started to hang with 10 years ago. When I started to hang with the movement at Nystrom's site they were all pretty much strict consitutionalists who would never ever support liberal Communist Socialistic ideology and aligned more with conservative values except war and Jackboots. All this pro-leftist anti-Constitution propaganda is new for me and sad to see. They even used to like and care about kids and the next generations. I now see very little of that compassion for the long term future anymore.
The movement was hijacked by the left when we made the mistake of treating them as more than allies on the anti-war plank of the platform and the anarchists when they were tolerated because they wanted to reduce the size of government too, now they act like they own and get to define the movement and they try to browbeat conservertarians into silence, I hate to say it but they have been extremely successful.

[kona]

Can President Trump please put tariffs on all vegan foods??!?!?!?

[nikcers]

Can President Trump please put tariffs on all vegan foods??!?!?!?

Wouldn't that just increase the price of other foods because of supply?

[TheCount]

Think of it as a consumer tax. Totally voluntary. Don't want to pay the tax? Don't buy Chinese shit. Buy American. Buy local.

Like property tax. Don't want to pay property tax? Don't buy property.

And sales tax.

And income tax.

And capital gains tax.



And estate tax. Just don't die. Totally voluntary.

[tfurrh]

Wouldn't that just increase the price of other foods because of supply?

No, it would free the world.

[Pauls' Revere]

The left should be pleased with this. I remember some years back the mantra from the left was to reject this Chinese crap. This was during the anti-Walmart phase that we all had to endure.

[tfurrh]

The left should be pleased with this. I remember some years back the mantra from the left was to reject this Chinese crap. This was during the anti-Walmart phase that we all had to endure.

I'm no leftist, but not liking tariffs, while also hating cheap Chinese crap can both happen inside the heart of a man.

[ATruepatriot]

Like property tax. Don't want to pay property tax? Don't buy property.

And sales tax.

And income tax.

And capital gains tax.



And estate tax. Just don't die. Totally voluntary.

Don't like tariffs... Don't buy Chinese junk. :)

[Superfluous Man]

RPF's free trade crowd

RPF's free trade crowd = RPF.

Zippy is closer to the mission of this website by far than anyone who comes here opposing free trade.

[ATruepatriot]

The left should be pleased with this. I remember some years back the mantra from the left was to reject this Chinese crap. This was during the anti-Walmart phase that we all had to endure.

I remember that. Many were full of it too. They were shopping there anyways because they were tightwads.

[ATruepatriot]

RPF's free trade crowd = RPF.

Zippy is closer to the mission of this website by far than anyone who comes here opposing free trade.

You may be confused, Zippy's "free trade" is universal global poverty equality.

[Superfluous Man]

You may be confused, Zippy's "free trade" is universal global poverty equality.

I am not confused. I haven't seen Zippy say anything about global poverty equality, but I have heard Ron Paul talk about tariffs, both in general and every iteration of Trump tariffs specifically, he's against them. We also have a site mission that is against them.

A person can come here and be for tariffs, just like they can come here and support other similar statist ideas like the Federal Reserve. But they should understand they do that as outsiders. And to speak of "the RPF free trade crowd" as if they're the outliers here is mistaken. This whole website is an RPF free trade website. Trolls are generally welcome, but they're still trolls.

[specsaregood]

I am not confused. I haven't seen Zippy say anything about global poverty equality, but I have heard Ron Paul talk about tariffs, both in general and every iteration of Trump tariffs specifically, he's against them. We also have a site mission that is against them.

A person can come here and be for tariffs, just like they can come here and support other similar statist ideas like the Federal Reserve. But they should understand they do that as outsiders. And to speak of "the RPF free trade crowd" as if they're the outliers here is mistaken. This whole website is an RPF free trade website. Trolls are generally welcome, but they're still trolls.

And yet almost all of us predate you. So don't think you can come here telling us what RPF is. Besides we didn't have free trade before trump either. We have had managed trade. Not many here are against true "free trade" but that isn't what you are getting if you remove these tariffs and you aren't ever going to get as long as we have a global fiat currency.

[Superfluous Man]

So don't think you can come here telling us what RPF is.

Sure I can. There's a page on the website that does just that. All I or you need to do is read it.


Besides we didn't have free trade before trump either. We have had managed trade. Not many here are against true "free trade" but that isn't what you are getting if you remove these tariffs and you aren't ever going to get as long as we have a global fiat currency.

Ron Paul supporters realize that none of those points change the basic fact that raising tariffs is wrong 100% of the time.

The term "free trade crowd" was introduced to the discussion in the post by oyarde that I was replying to. I just went with it.

[specsaregood]

Sure I can. There's a page on the website that does just that. All I or you need to do is read it.
Hell, most of us had input in putting it there. And I see RPF's as a community, not just some website. So if anything you are the odd man out.



Ron Paul supporters realize that none of those points change the basic fact that raising tariffs is wrong 100% of the time.

Incorrect, most of us supported him well before you and were pro-tariff way back then. "Ron Paul Supporters" is not a homogenous crowd. Most of us are capable of independent thought and discrimination. It is our diversity of thought and opinion that made us both strong and weak. If you want an echo chamber where people act as mindless automatons that think Ron Paul is always right, you should look elsewhere.

[Ender]

RPF's free trade crowd = RPF.

Zippy is closer to the mission of this website by far than anyone who comes here opposing free trade.

Yup.

Free trade is liberty- most do not want that

As far as Zippy goes, I've never had a problem with him. He never calls names or insults like many here do. And I don't have a problem if I disagree with his posts- saves me time having to look up other POVs to put mine in perspective & also really see what's going on. Everyone should always look at all sides because that's where you begin to see all the lies & subterfuge happening globally & at home.

[Superfluous Man]

Incorrect, most of us supported him well before you and were pro-tariff way back then.

You've played this game before. Once you told me that you'd always supported a border wall. Then I found posts from you back during RP's presidential campaigns where you said you weren't. I did the same with Antifederalist and Danno. My guess is that I could do the same with your position on tariffs. I'm actually surprised to see you come out for them.

You're a phony.

Maybe you changed your views. Maybe you're just lying. I don't know. Either way, it doesn't change the fact that if you're here now supporting Trump's tariff hikes, you're the odd man out, at least as far as this website is concerned, even if not among the community of marxists that now makes up a large part of its active membership. But that community, no matter how large it may make itself appear here is still the trolls. And those of us who still stand for the things you stood for, or at least pretended to, back when you joined aren't.

[ATruepatriot]

Sure I can. There's a page on the website that does just that. All I or you need to do is read it.

OK, let's do that...

Mission:
This site is dedicated to facilitating discussion and initiatives that aim to advance society in a civil manner for the betterment of all. We seek to:
...Secure individual liberty (Supporting Socialistic ideology is forcing collectivism on individuals and erodes the constitutional protections of the individual)
...Seek justice (This does not imply anarchy with absolutely no laws. no accountability, no personal responsibility, and no punishment)
...Promote honest and free markets (When one party is not honest is it wrong to then seek justice? Or do business elsewhere?See above)

To support these pillars we aim to:
...Develop excellence within society and governmental bodies (Uh Oh, a collective. Eroding a moral society and supporting more socialistic government control is not excellence)
...Build up local communities (Not destroy them, this implies more than Me, My, Mine and screw the community as a collective)
...Strengthen families (Well this is out, because to strengthen families it takes sharing and personal sacrifices above self and a family is also a collective)
...Foster individual excellence (Which includes Introspect, honesty, integrity, and self responsibility)

We do so for ourselves and our posterity.

[nobody's_hero]

RPF's free trade crowd = RPF.

Zippy is closer to the mission of this website by far than anyone who comes here opposing free trade.

https://media.giphy.com/media/iQEOg3zGJBXLa/giphy.gif

[kahless]

More good news.

Chinese investors buy more U.S. residential real estate than any other country, but Trump’s trade war could soon end that
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/chinese-investors-buy-more-us-residential-real-estate-than-any-other-country-but-trumps-trade-war-could-soon-end-that-2019-05-15

a retreat of Chinese buyers could be good news for Americans looking to purchase a home, especially in the Golden State. Markets like San Francisco, Los Angeles and San Diego. They are among the most expensive in the entire country, and their popularity had contributed to double-digit home price appreciation in recent years.

The rate at which home prices are climbing has recently slowed as buyers have struggled with affordability. The lack of competition from foreign buyers, who typically make competitive all-cash purchases, could provide an opportunity to get a better deal on a home for locals looking to buy.

Americans first!

[ATruepatriot]

More good news.

Chinese investors buy more U.S. residential real estate than any other country, but Trump’s trade war could soon end that
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/chinese-investors-buy-more-us-residential-real-estate-than-any-other-country-but-trumps-trade-war-could-soon-end-that-2019-05-15


Americans first!

Good... Go and try to buy real-estate in China. It's a one way market.

[Swordsmyth]

RPF's free trade crowd = RPF.

Zippy is closer to the mission of this website by far than anyone who comes here opposing free trade.
ChiCom managed trade isn't free.

[Swordsmyth]

Ron Paul supporters realize that none of those points change the basic fact that raising tariffs is wrong 100% of the time.


LOL

You can say that as many times as you want and it won't be true.

[Swordsmyth]

OK, let's do that...

Mission:
This site is dedicated to facilitating discussion and initiatives that aim to advance society in a civil manner for the betterment of all. We seek to:
...Secure individual liberty (Supporting Socialistic ideology is forcing collectivism on individuals and erodes the constitutional protections of the individual)
...Seek justice (This does not imply anarchy with absolutely no laws. no accountability, no personal responsibility, and no punishment)
...Promote honest and free markets (When one party is not honest is it wrong to then seek justice? Or do business elsewhere?See above)

To support these pillars we aim to:
...Develop excellence within society and governmental bodies (Uh Oh, a collective. Eroding a moral society and supporting more socialistic government control is not excellence)
...Build up local communities (Not destroy them, this implies more than Me, My, Mine and screw the community as a collective)
...Strengthen families (Well this is out, because to strengthen families it takes sharing and personal sacrifices above self and a family is also a collective)
...Foster individual excellence (Which includes Introspect, honesty, integrity, and self responsibility)

We do so for ourselves and our posterity.
You must spread some reputation around...............

[Zippyjuan]

More good news.

Chinese investors buy more U.S. residential real estate than any other country, but Trump’s trade war could soon end that
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/chinese-investors-buy-more-us-residential-real-estate-than-any-other-country-but-trumps-trade-war-could-soon-end-that-2019-05-15


Americans first!

From that article, three percent of home sales were to foreign buyers- and China bought about 15% of that or 0.045% of all homes sold. Losing them won't have much impact on the housing market.


As of 2018, foreign buyers in aggregate accounted for just 3% of U.S. home sales, the association added.


Of the 284,000 properties sold to foreign buyers last year, some 40,400, or 15%, were bought by Chinese nationals.


Long before the current trade dispute, the Chinese government had been creating hurdles for its citizens who wanted to invest abroad. The country started restricting outbound investments in 2016, allowing residents to take only the equivalent of $50,000 out of the country, as a means of propping up the country’s currency. This not only made it more difficult to purchase real estate in America but prompted some Chinese investors to sell their U.S. assets.

[ATruepatriot]

From that article, three percent of home sales were to foreign buyers- and China bought about 15% of that or 0.045% of all homes sold. Losing them won't have much impact on the housing market.

I'm going to give you kudos for being straight up about that and not try to twist it Sir. :)

[kahless]

From that article, three percent of home sales were to foreign buyers- and China bought about 15% of that or 0.045% of all homes sold. Losing them won't have much impact on the housing market.

Across the entire US. Specific areas of the US tells a different story.



https://www.marketwatch.com/story/chinese-investors-buy-more-us-residential-real-estate-than-any-other-country-but-trumps-trade-war-could-soon-end-that-2019-05-15
Unlike foreign buyers from other countries who spread their investments more evenly across the U.S., Chinese residential real-estate investment is highly concentrated on the Pacific Coast. Nearly 40% of Chinese buyers have purchased in California, home to a large Asian community.

But California isn’t the only place where a fall in Chinese buyers would make a difference. Chinese nationals represent a significant share of the foreign buyers of residential real estate in the New York City metropolitan area and growing shares of buyers in states including Florida and Texas.

Chinese buyers also play a big role in the residential-real-estate markets of college towns, as more Chinese students have opted to study at American universities, Yun said.

However, a retreat by Chinese buyers could be good news for Americans looking to purchase a home, especially in such costly Golden State markets as San Francisco, Los Angeles and San Diego. These are among the most expensive in the entire country, and their popularity had contributed to double-digit home-price appreciation in recent years.

The rate at which home prices are climbing has recently slowed as buyers have struggled with affordability. The lack of competition from foreign buyers, who typically enter competitive all-cash offers, could provide an opportunity to get a better deal on a home for locals looking to buy.

[specsaregood]

You've played this game before. Once you told me that you'd always supported a border wall. Then I found posts from you back during RP's presidential campaigns where you said you weren't. I did the same with Antifederalist and Danno. My guess is that I could do the same with your position on tariffs. I'm actually surprised to see you come out for them.

You're a phony.

Maybe you changed your views. Maybe you're just lying. I don't know. Either way, it doesn't change the fact that if you're here now supporting Trump's tariff hikes, you're the odd man out, at least as far as this website is concerned, even if not among the community of marxists that now makes up a large part of its active membership. But that community, no matter how large it may make itself appear here is still the trolls. And those of us who still stand for the things you stood for, or at least pretended to, back when you joined aren't.

I'm not sure what posts you think you found, but sure in a perfect world there would be no need for a wall. This happens to be dr. Paul's position as well. and while I am protariff now, I've stated many times that it wouldn't be necessary if we were on a gold standard or similar system, let me know when that happens. what I am is pragmatic, pretty much always have been. Sure I can dream about perfect ideology, but the world doesn't work that way.

[Zippyjuan]

Across the entire US. Specific areas of the US tells a different story.

Difficult to measure their impact in the state. But based on the two articles you posted, the first saying that 40,000 homes were bought by Chinese in the US and 40% of those were in California that is 16,000 units. Out of about 400,000?

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/california-home-sales-close-year-on-downward-trend-as-home-prices-post-mild-gains-car-reports-300780469.html


As a result, while the statewide median home price surpassed its previous peak and set a new record in 2018, annual home sales fell for the first time in four years to a preliminary 402,750 closed escrows in California, down from 2017's pace of 424,890.

That would be about four percent of home sales in the state. Real figures are hard to come by: https://calmatters.org/articles/data-dig-are-foreign-investors-driving-up-real-estate-in-your-california-neighborhood/


So what percentage of California’s housing stock is owned by foreign investors?

Let’s start with this major caveat: Foreign buyer real estate data is not good. California sales deeds don’t require a buyer or seller to disclose citizenship or residency status. So analysts rely on rough proxies for foreign ownership.

The house the Rothenbergs tried to buy is a good example. You can verify that the transaction was all cash, which is a good flag for a foreign buyer. You can verify that the tax address for the buyer is outside California, which is also a good flag. You can see the buyer’s surname, but given California’s demographic diversity, that’s hardly evidence foreign ownership.

But that’s all you can really say. Judging by the records, the owner of the Rothenbergs’ dream house could be a foreign-based investment buyer—or he might just be a wealthy Chinese-American who lives outside California and wants to invest in Sacramento real estate. (Attempts to contact the owners and the management company of the property were unsuccessful).

The California Association of Realtors estimates that 3 percent of last year’s purchases went to international buyers. Their data even suggests the share of international buyers has been on a downward trajectory since 2008—but that data relies on a survey of realtors, and could be undercounting.

"foreign buyers" includes not just Chinese.


Why are the Chinese so enamored with California real estate? First, it’s important to understand what we mean by “foreign.” Those statistics include recently arrived immigrants, of which California has quite a few. There’s legitimate debate over whether those immigrants should be counted as “foreign.”

Many of the recently arrived Chinese snapping up California properties are holders of EB-5 visas—a U.S. program granting green cards to foreigners who invest $500,000 in U.S. business.

“The wife and kids are in the U.S., some of the husbands are here some of the time and some are not, they have a portion of their money here and they have a portion of their money in China,” says Lin He, a real estate investor and developer who courts Chinese property speculators in places like Newport Beach and Irvine.

The number of Chinese diaspora already settled in areas such as Orange County and the San Gabriel Valley attract a great deal of foreign investment because cultural and language similarities make the purchase process easier.

Much of that money goes towards primary residences—Chinese visa holders living with their family in a U.S. home. But after getting a foothold in California, many recently arrived Chinese view residential real estate as an attractive investment strategy—one that was not readily available to them in China, either because of government policy or exorbitant cost.

[oyarde]

RPF's free trade crowd = RPF.

Zippy is closer to the mission of this website by far than anyone who comes here opposing free trade.

I always thought I would support free trade but I do not expect to see it in my lifetime . The people who oppose it do not bother me as much as the people who pretend they had it . Sometimes it is better to just be honest .

[PAF]

I'm not sure what posts you think you found, but sure in a perfect world there would be no need for a wall. This happens to be dr. Paul's position as well. and while I am protariff now, I've stated many times that it wouldn't be necessary if we were on a gold standard or similar system, let me know when that happens. what I am is pragmatic, pretty much always have been. Sure I can dream about perfect ideology, but the world doesn't work that way.

As long as people make compromises and excuses because of the way things “currently are” tptb will continue the same practice. Only when people, starting here, begin to stand firmly on principle/ground, make it known and teach others, will a chance happen to turn the tide. Ending Common Core in Florida, eliminating red light cameras in areas of Ohio, etc are but a couple of examples.

How anybody especially on this site could even mutter support of tariffs just because “that is the way things are” is beyond me.

[PAF]

I am not confused. I haven't seen Zippy say anything about global poverty equality, but I have heard Ron Paul talk about tariffs, both in general and every iteration of Trump tariffs specifically, he's against them. We also have a site mission that is against them.

A person can come here and be for tariffs, just like they can come here and support other similar statist ideas like the Federal Reserve. But they should understand they do that as outsiders. And to speak of "the RPF free trade crowd" as if they're the outliers here is mistaken. This whole website is an RPF free trade website. Trolls are generally welcome, but they're still trolls.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Superfluous Man again.

[Swordsmyth]

As long as people make compromises and excuses because of the way things “currently are” tptb will continue the same practice. Only when people, starting here, begin to stand firmly on principle/ground, make it known and teach others, will a chance happen to turn the tide. Ending Common Core in Florida, red might cameras in areas of Ohio, etc are but a couple of examples.

How anybody especially on this site could even mutter support of tariffs just because “that is the way things are” is beyond me.

Would you be willing to kill tyrants in a revolution?
Is killing people part of liberty?
It's the same thing with tariffs.

[r3volution 3.0]

The title reminds of all the talk in Britain now about how leaving the EU will force them to eat "chlorinated American chicken" (...because they expect that, in negotiations between post-Brexit Britain and the US, the US will demand exemption from Britain's restrictive food purity laws). Thank god for government regulation of what we eat; can't have consumers making their own decisions, now can we?

[TheCount]

Would you be willing to kill tyrants in a revolution?
Is killing people part of liberty?
It's the same thing with tariffs.
You are the tyrant in this scenario.

[Swordsmyth]

You are the tyrant in this scenario.

LOL

That would be the ChiComs.

[Zippyjuan]

LOL

That would be the ChiComs.

Sounds like the name of a hip-hop group.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxOBInMi3l0

[PAF]

Would you be willing to kill tyrants in a revolution?
Is killing people part of liberty?
It's the same thing with tariffs.


If you did a 180 and actually supported liberty and free markets, I’m sure there would be some who could learn from you.

http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2018/march/12/tariffs-are-not-the-answer/

[tfurrh]

Sounds like the name of a hip-hop group.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxOBInMi3l0

We always need something to be scared of. Now there's a ChiCom under every bed.

[Swordsmyth]

If you did a 180 and actually supported liberty and free markets, I’m sure there would be some who could learn from you.

http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2018/march/12/tariffs-are-not-the-answer/
I support liberty and free markets, ChiCom managed trade is not either and the only way to get closer to them is to use defensive tariffs.

[Zippyjuan]

We always need something to be scared of. Now there's a ChiCom under every bed.

It is a Nixon- era term.

[Swordsmyth]

It is a Nixon- era term.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXTGlvjBejQ

[ATruepatriot]

It is a Nixon- era term.

1962

[Zippyjuan]

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Chicom


Chicom

Short for Chinese Communist and sometimes Chinese Communications (military intel, not normal language), and also widely used in military terms to describe something Chinese such as a Type-56 assault rifle or a Chicom Bag and sometimes in general to things which pertain to asian communism. Chicom originated out of the Vietnam War and was first used as slang for tiny burlap bags or packets which usually contained Chinese, NVA, or Vietcong made communist propaganda as well as intel, ammo, food, medical supplies, etc.

[ATruepatriot]

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Chicom

Yep... 1962

[tfurrh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXTGlvjBejQ


1962


It is a Nixon- era term.

So these are the ChiComs my parents warned me about. Dammit if my mom ain't always right.

[TheCount]

LOL

That would be the ChiComs.

They're not imposing taxes on me or growing my government.

You are.


Taxes unilaterally imposed by the whim of the executive to favor some at the expense of others. Sounds like a tyrant to me.

[Zippyjuan]

They're not imposing taxes on me or growing my government.

You are.


Taxes unilaterally imposed by the whim of the executive to favor some at the expense of others. Sounds like a tyrant to me.

It's to promote liberty. Part of ChiCom 4-D Chess.

[Swordsmyth]

They're not imposing taxes on me or growing my government.
They are destroying our economy in order to increase Americans dependence on government and China in order to subject us to communism and world government.


You are.
LOL



Taxes unilaterally imposed by the whim of the executive to favor some at the expense of others. Sounds like a tyrant to me.
Congress gave the President the power to impose tariffs for national security reasons and his tariffs reverse the ChiCom market intervention that favors some at the expense of others.

[Zippyjuan]

There's the guidebook cliches again. Repeat things often for subliminal effect and they will eventually start to believe them.

[Swordsmyth]

There's the guidebook cliches again. Repeat things often for subliminal effect and they will eventually start to believe them.
:sleeping:

[Pauls' Revere]

I'm no leftist, but not liking tariffs, while also hating cheap Chinese crap can both happen inside the heart of a man.

True that, wonder how many?

[oyarde]

I wish people got this upset over shit like the Pittman Robertson act 11 percent ammo tax and increasing federal duck stamps by 100 percent .

[Swordsmyth]

I wish people got this upset over $#@! like the Pittman Robertson act 11 percent ammo tax and increasing federal duck stamps by 100 percent .
Some of us do.

But some of us care more about protecting globalists and ChiComs than protecting Americans.

[PAF]

Some of us do.

But some of us care more about protecting globalists and ChiComs than protecting Americans.

I take it you are not attending Anarchapulco then, to help Ron Paul, Mark Passio, Judge Nap, Ben Swann, Eric July, Larken Rose, Cynthia McKinney, Ed Griffin, Carey Welder, Avens O’Brien, Ernest Hancock, Gina Carr, Charlie Robinson, and a slew of others including me, to help spread the message of liberty, not just to Americans, but all people?

I’ll be the one with an umbrella in my drink - if I can get past that stupid wall and facial scans at the airport.

https://anarchapulco.com/

[kahless]

I take it you are not attending Anarchapulco then, to help Ron Paul, Mark Passio, Judge Nap, Ben Swann, Eric July, Larken Rose, Cynthia McKinney, Ed Griffin, Carey Welder, Avens O’Brien, Ernest Hancock, Gina Carr, Charlie Robinson, and a slew of others including me, to help spread the message of liberty, not just to Americans, but all people?

I’ll be the one with an umbrella in my drink - if I can get past that stupid wall and facial scans at the airport.

https://anarchapulco.com/

Years ago I would have been excited to hear Judge Swamp since I believed Judge Nap was genuine rather than just another scam artist.

They all read the script whether they believe it or not. Prominent libertarians know the real deal when it comes to applying the philosophy cross border in the actual world we live in. However the elite backers that pay for these events and fund them typically expect their script to be read verbatim regardless whether it is counter-intuitive to achieving the philosophy within our borders.

The elites funding them are not libertarian and rather just use these figures as a tool to advance their own wealth at the expense of expanding and achieving the philosophy at home and abroad. In turn for funding and getting to maintain a national presence in return these figures compromise some of their values to be heard. It is a trade off.

[nobody's_hero]

I'm not sure what posts you think you found, but sure in a perfect world there would be no need for a wall. This happens to be dr. Paul's position as well. and while I am protariff now, I've stated many times that it wouldn't be necessary if we were on a gold standard or similar system, let me know when that happens. what I am is pragmatic, pretty much always have been. Sure I can dream about perfect ideology, but the world doesn't work that way.

I've said that libertarians get an A++ in being philosophically correct, but terrible at fighting battles in reality and maintaining, much less gaining, ground. I've been wondering lately if it is possible to believe in the N.A.P. to the extreme that it becomes self-defeating. You get no credit for being nobler or taking the high road. Meanwhile, your enemies will use every tool at their disposal to inflict cheap shots and accomplish their goals, and from the looks over the overall picture, they're winning.


I was raised to 'turn the other cheek.' When I got older, I realized God only gave me two of them.

Changing your views just means you're capable of adapting.. It's a survival mechanism.


I take it you are not attending Anarchapulco then, to help Ron Paul, Mark Passio, Judge Nap, Ben Swann, Eric July, Larken Rose, Cynthia McKinney, Ed Griffin, Carey Welder, Avens O’Brien, Ernest Hancock, Gina Carr, Charlie Robinson, and a slew of others including me, to help spread the message of liberty, not just to Americans, but all people?

I’ll be the one with an umbrella in my drink - if I can get past that stupid wall and facial scans at the airport.

https://anarchapulco.com/

I hope you guys are able to accomplish a lot sitting around talking to each other. Not trying to be harsh, but that's all we've been doing for at least half a century and at some point, you'll realize that preaching to the choir doesn't do much.

[ATruepatriot]

I've said that libertarians get an A++ in being philosophically correct, but terrible at fighting battles in reality and maintaining, much less gaining, ground. I've been wondering lately if it is possible to believe in the N.A.P. to the extreme that it becomes self-defeating. You get no credit for being nobler or taking the high road. Meanwhile, your enemies will use every tool at their disposal to inflict cheap shots and accomplish their goals, and from the looks over the overall picture, they're winning.


I was raised to 'turn the other cheek.' When I got older, I realized God only gave me two of them.

Changing your views just means you're capable of adapting.. It's a survival mechanism.



I hope you guys are able to accomplish a lot sitting around talking to each other. Not trying to be harsh, but that's all we've been doing for at least half a century and at some point, you'll realize that preaching to the choir doesn't do much.

Hey! A logical rational realist and visionary who understands the true bigger picture!

[PAF]

I hope you guys are able to accomplish a lot sitting around talking to each other. Not trying to be harsh, but that's all we've been doing for at least half a century and at some point, you'll realize that preaching to the choir doesn't do much.

Each time we attend an event like this, such as FreeYourMindConference, etc., we have had the opportunity to take newcomers along. The key is to have fun and help educate. “Preaching to the choir” helps others know that they are not alone :-)

[PierzStyx]

The Trump administration is preparing tariffs on $300 billion worth of Chinese goods. Here are all the products that will get hit.
https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/trump-china-trade-war-list-of-300-billion-of-chinese-goods-tariffs-2019-5-1028200711

Looking at the list most of this stuff I would not want to put on my dinner table considering where it is coming from and their piss poor record in food safety. This will be a boon for American producers and for the health our people.

The free trade traitors on Wall Street and the news media can piss off. They do not give a damn about the health and prosperity of the people in our country first. As far as I am concerned $#@! Communist China and their shills.

I love it when Progressive shills just out themselves like this, when they admit they hate freedom and economic wealth so much and believe they, and everyone else, is too stupid to manage their own lives so they need the Almighty God State to protect them. It makes it easier tor recognize the enemies of humanity for what they are and who they are as well as the idol they worship.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/020/360/462.jpg

[PierzStyx]

They are destroying our economy in order to increase Americans dependence on government and China in order to subject us to communism and world government.


Well first of all, that is stupidly wrong. Secondly, even if true teh solution wouldn't be, "Beat them at their own game by unilaterally increasing taxes on every human in the nation through fiat order tariffs!" That Progressive bullshit doesn't fly with anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of economics or human liberty.


Congress gave the President the power to impose tariffs for national security reasons and his tariffs reverse the ChiCom market intervention that favors some at the expense of others.

That isn't how the Constitution works, child. Branches of government do not have the authority to delegate its power to another. The only body of people with the power to change what powers each branch has is the organization that gave the branches their individual powers- i.e. the people assembled in a constitutional convention. If you understood even the basics of the Constitution you would know that. But, then again, actually understanding things would mean you would have to give up your idiotic Leftist ideals and abandon National Socialism.


And of course, its large Special Economic Zones mean that China is more of a capitalist country than any other nation on the planet, including the USA.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2015/08/19/chinas-the-most-viciously-free-market-economy-on-the-planet-right-now/#66ffe850659e

[kahless]

I love it when Progressive shills just out themselves like this, when they admit they hate freedom and economic wealth so much and believe they, and everyone else, is too stupid to manage their own lives so they need the Almighty God State to protect them. It makes it easier tor recognize the enemies of humanity for what they are and who they are as well as the idol they worship.

Who is the Progressive here?

A. Kahless, the person that advocates for policy that advances or moves us in the direction of a more libertarian form of government or society within the borders of US.

or

B. PiezStyx, the person that consistently advocates for globalist policies that diminish our ability to achieve a more libertarian form of government within the borders of the US while advancing the interests of Communists and various other groups that are the enemy of individual liberty - libertarian belief system.

[Swordsmyth]

Each time we attend an event like this, such as FreeYourMindConference, etc., we have had the opportunity to take newcomers along. The key is to have fun and help educate. “Preaching to the choir” helps others know that they are not alone :-)
You educate a handful while allowing millions of enemies to invade and the ChiComs to make millions more dependent on government.

That will ensure our failure.

[Swordsmyth]

Well first of all, that is stupidly wrong. Secondly, even if true teh solution wouldn't be, "Beat them at their own game by unilaterally increasing taxes on every human in the nation through fiat order tariffs!" That Progressive bull$#@! doesn't fly with anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of economics or human liberty.

If China didn't exist we could have a free market without them so if they insist on perverting the market then anything we do to rectify that up to an absolute ban on them selling things in America gets us closer to a free market.




That isn't how the Constitution works, child. Branches of government do not have the authority to delegate its power to another. The only body of people with the power to change what powers each branch has is the organization that gave the branches their individual powers- i.e. the people assembled in a constitutional convention. If you understood even the basics of the Constitution you would know that. But, then again, actually understanding things would mean you would have to give up your idiotic Leftist ideals and abandon National Socialism.


That's a nice argument but the Constitution doesn't say that and the opposition has run roughshod over the Constitution for so long that we can't afford to hold ourselves to it excessively while the country falls off the cliff.

If you want Congress to control trade policy then they need to take back the delegation of power.



And of course, its large Special Economic Zones mean that China is more of a capitalist country than any other nation on the planet, including the USA.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2015/08/19/chinas-the-most-viciously-free-market-economy-on-the-planet-right-now/#66ffe850659e
LOL

The Communist Party and the ChiCom government are intricately intertwined with the entire Chinese economy and their trade barriers are ridiculous.

[Swordsmyth]

Who is the Progressive here?

A. Kahless, the person that advocates for policy that advances or moves us in the direction of a more libertarian form of government or society within the borders of US.

or

B. PiezStyx, the person that consistently advocates for globalist policies that diminish our ability to achieve a more libertarian form of government within the borders of the US while advancing the interests of Communists and various other groups that are the enemy of individual liberty - libertarian belief system.
B

Pierz is a communist that pretends to be an anarchist in order to subvert the liberty movement and America.

[Brian4Liberty]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?534585-The-Tariff-Poll


This is a multi-choice poll. You can pick more than one option.

Tariffs are acceptable...

- as a source of revenue.
- as a new or increased source of revenue only in combination with lowering some other tax.
- as a source of revenue in combination with totally abolishing individual income tax.
- to punish or sanction another nation or entity.
- to match tariffs imposed by another nation or entity.
- as part of trade negotiations.
- during negotiations with a goal of zero tariffs.
- to protect US jobs.
- to protect specific industries.
- when they are flat, low and across the board without any exceptions.
- never by the US.
- never by anyone.

[ATruepatriot]

Who is the Progressive here?

A. Kahless, the person that advocates for policy that advances or moves us in the direction of a more libertarian form of government or society within the borders of US.

or

B. PiezStyx, the person that consistently advocates for globalist policies that diminish our ability to achieve a more libertarian form of government within the borders of the US while advancing the interests of Communists and various other groups that are the enemy of individual liberty - libertarian belief system.

Exactly. I think I got a shot across the bow this morning for asking this very same question. This is what they do... Spin opposition ideology exactly 180 degrees with polar definition and labels. Therefore confusing what the true definition and reality is because they pinned it on someone who they know is opposite. It's a tactic that is getting real ignorant and real old. As soon as you see this you know you are dealing with a spin control operative.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

There's the guidebook cliches again. Repeat things often for subliminal effect and they will eventually start to believe them.


That's kinda what you do here!

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

It's to promote liberty.


But you're radically opposed to Ron and Rand. What gives?? :confused:

[Superfluous Man]

But you're radically opposed to Ron and Rand. What gives?? :confused:

Can you find a post where he opposes either of them?

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Can you find a post where he opposes either of them?


I sure can!

[Swordsmyth]

...


Without independence you can't have liberty and you can't have independence without the means to produce your needs.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd7oftWOo8M

Aside from the direct threat of conquest there is also the fact that allowing the destruction of your economy will create millions of voters that are dependent on government for their needs while impoverishing and thereby disempowering millions more.

Political power (and therefore liberty) flows out of gun barrels and bank accounts.


It has been said (and seemingly forgotten) that even if you believe in open borders you can't have them while the welfare state exists and it is just as true that even if you want free trade or something as close to it as possible you can't have it while the regulatory state exists.

Tariffs are also simply the best form of taxation and as much of the cost of the legitimate functions of government should be shifted to them as possible.

[Swordsmyth]

Can you find a post where he opposes either of them?

Have you never read his posts?

He supports the Fed and opposes the gold standard every time.

And those are just the easy examples.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Sounds like a tyrant to me.


But you voted Obama 2x. Right?

[TheCount]

They are destroying our economy in order to increase Americans dependence on government and China in order to subject us to communism and world government.

Says Wormtongue, while simultaneously praising the state of the economy in other threads.




Congress gave the President the power to impose tariffs for national security reasons

What does that have to do with anything, Wormtongue? Are you saying that Congress can't be tyrannical?



and his tariffs reverse the ChiCom market intervention that favors some at the expense of others.

Reversing taxes with more taxes. It's magical.

[kahless]

B

Pierz is a communist that pretends to be an anarchist in order to subvert the liberty movement and America.

There is allot of that here and within the movement. Total scammers pretending to be something they are not. I suspect allot of them are paid. Average people can see the truth of what I wrote with simple logic.

[Swordsmyth]

Says Wormtongue, while simultaneously praising the state of the economy in other threads.
Trump has just barely begun to turn the economy around but it has been being systematically destroyed for a long time, smeagol.






What does that have to do with anything, Wormtongue? Are you saying that Congress can't be tyrannical?
It has plenty to do with it, smeagol.





Reversing taxes with more taxes. It's magical.
:rolleyes:

[Swordsmyth]

There is allot of that here and within the movement. Total scammers pretending to be something they are not. I suspect allot of them are paid. Average people can see the truth of what I wrote with simple logic.

The deepstate and their ChiCom allies have deep pockets.

[TheCount]

It has plenty to do with it, smeagol.

Do go on. Tell us how democratically elected leaders cannot be tyrannical.

[Swordsmyth]

Do go on. Tell us how democratically elected leaders cannot be tyrannical.
That's not what I said.

[TheCount]

That's not what I said.

Go on then. Elaborate. I'll help you start.

It's not tyrannical because Congress __________

[Swordsmyth]

Go on then. Elaborate. I'll help you start.

It's not tyrannical because Congress __________
:sleeping:

[PAF]

You educate a handful while allowing millions of enemies to invade and the ChiComs to make millions more dependent on government.

That will ensure our failure.

I do not “allow” anything. That is you and your ilk doing that...

SwordShillLogic: “Well, a wall is not my first choice but we need to build one anyway. Well, we must defend and protect the Bill of Rights but they only apply to “legal” people who are documented with the FedGov.” And so on and so forth.

[Swordsmyth]

I do not “allow” anything.
You do, you are advocating for it right here.


That is you and your ilk doing that...
LOL


SwordShillLogic: “Well, a wall is not my first choice but we need to build one anyway.
I would do something else that you would hate more but the wall is better than doing nothing.



Well, we must defend and protect the Bill of Rights but they only apply to “legal” people who are documented with the FedGov.” And so on and so forth.
That is garbage, the BoR does not give foreigners the right to invade anymore than it gives me the right to invade their country.

[Swordsmyth]

https://twitter.com/PolishPatriotTM/status/1126829681108451328

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