Man Arrested After More Than 1,000 Guns Found in Bel-Air Home During Investigation Into Sellin

[Zippyjuan]

https://ktla.com/2019/05/08/hundreds-of-guns-found-after-search-warrant-served-in-bel-air-area-home-lapd/

Sounds like he was a very serious gun collector.


A man was arrested after more than 1,000 guns were recovered from a Bel-Air home Wednesday during an investigation into the illegal selling and manufacturing of weapons, officials said.

Girard Saenz, 57, of Los Angeles, was arrested on suspicion of distributing, transporting, importing, selling, or lending an assault weapon, the Los Angeles Police Department said.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D6FII9FUcAAkQug.jpg

LAPD and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives officials were conducting a joint investigation when a search warrant was served at the home on the 100 block of North Beverly Glen Boulevard at about 4 a.m., police said.

Aerial video from Sky5 showed federal agents and police examining thousands of guns laid out in a courtyard area of the home. The property is in an upscale area of multimillion-dollar homes.

LAPD Lt. Chris Ramirez said the guns are of all makes, calibers and models, and that more than 1,000 rounds of live ammunition were also recovered from the home. The weapons will be itemized and booked into evidence, the lieutenant said.

"This is a big stash," Ramirez said. "It's beyond comprehension that somebody can have so many weapons in a residence like this, in a neighborhood like this."

He added that the incident appears to be isolated and that there is no threat to the public, but the weapons could have ended up in the wrong hands.

Video showed officers taking a bearded man in dark clothing into custody outside the home.

Public property records for the address being searched indicate it's a five-bedroom, 8,200-square-foot home that last sold in 2001. Its value is estimated at more than $7 million, according to real estate website Redfin.com.

The home is owned by Cynthia Beck, who has three daughters with J. Paul Getty’s son, according to public records.

It is unclear whether Beck is connected to the investigation.

Rabbi Chaim Mentz with Chabad of Bel Air said his synagogue is in the same neighborhood that was the scene of a massive law enforcement raid Wednesday.

“I grew up in Brooklyn. I've seen a lot of things. I've never seen stockpiling this big," Mentz said.

He added that he recently met with worshippers after the deadly synagogue shooting near San Diego and discussed ways congregants can secure their homes from gun violence. He believes incidents like these puts everyone further on edge.

“You don’t want this in your backyard," he said.

Police said Saenz is being held on a $50,000 bail.

[Swordsmyth]

What's his legal status and is there a connection to the human trafficking cartels?

[Stratovarious]

Due Process has taken a massive dump in this Country.

[kcchiefs6465]

So before he is convicted of anything, his property is gathered up and thrown into piles.

Bunch of nazis.

[Anti Globalist]

He should have gave away 999 of those guns.

[Schifference]

I know nothing about owning guns just like I know nothing about seasteading. I don't think this guy did his homework. Seems like he had all eggs in one basket surrounded by foxes. I am not saying he did anything wrong because I think he should be able to do what he wants. But.... There are a lot of guns there and it does not make an innocent looking presentation.

[Schifference]

So before he is convicted of anything, his property is gathered up and thrown into piles.

Bunch of nazis.

I sleep to Forensic Files on Netflix these days. At like 3am this morning I saw an episode where a man married a woman that had a kid. The kid had a leg missing and the guy found the kid. The kid told the step dad, "the dogs did it." After the funeral a major investigation and both parents are indicted and convicted of murder. They spend 6 years in jail. They win on appeal. The photo's used in original trial showed a cleanly severed leg and prosecutor proved that dogs could not do that. Hmm. The photo's were taken after hours of surgery trying to save the kids life. The before photo's were hidden from the defense. Husband and wife ended up divorced from the ordeal.

[Swordsmyth]

What's his legal status and is there a connection to the human trafficking cartels?
This should not be taken to condone any illegal or unconstitutional actions taken by law enforcement in this matter.

[Swordsmyth]

I sleep to Forensic Files on Netflix these days. At like 3am this morning I saw an episode where a man married a woman that had a kid. The kid had a leg missing and the guy found the kid. The kid told the step dad, "the dogs did it." After the funeral a major investigation and both parents are indicted and convicted of murder. They spend 6 years in jail. They win on appeal. The photo's used in original trial showed a cleanly severed leg and prosecutor proved that dogs could not do that. Hmm. The photo's were taken after hours of surgery trying to save the kids life. The before photo's were hidden from the defense. Husband and wife ended up divorced from the ordeal.
And nothing happened to the prosecutors, right?

[Schifference]

And nothing happened to the prosecutors, right?

As mentioned I sleep to it. I don't really watch more like listen. I do not think they covered that. The episode was about the expert scientists that got the guy off not prosecuting the prosecutor.

[Swordsmyth]

As mentioned I sleep to it. I don't really watch more like listen. I do not think they covered that. The episode was about the expert scientists that got the guy off not prosecuting the prosecutor.
I doubt he got more than a reprimand.

[tfurrh]

https://ktla.com/2019/05/08/hundreds-of-guns-found-after-search-warrant-served-in-bel-air-area-home-lapd/

Sounds like he was a very serious gun collector.

https://66.media.tumblr.com/0ef2c7af0d377931593350dee96bbf0d/tumblr_pgx1m8AJSd1w1gv1yo3_r2_500.gif

[Schifference]

Aug 7, 1993 - Withheld Evidence May Prove Dogs, Not Parents, Killed Girl ... Harvey Miller, were sentenced to life in prison for killing her daughter April. ... But authorities charged the pair with murder after a pathologist said April died from child abuse. ... and Miller were right: April was killed by a rare frenzied dog attack.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I06_2WrD_Uk

[oyarde]

https://ktla.com/2019/05/08/hundreds-of-guns-found-after-search-warrant-served-in-bel-air-area-home-lapd/

Sounds like he was a very serious gun collector.

Looks like a lot of air guns and some .22's . I bought a rifle last week and a shotgun this week but I only have one air rifle . Good thing it is OK where I live to buy & sell weapons

[kcchiefs6465]

Girard Saenz, 57, of Los Angeles, was arrested on suspicion of distributing, transporting, importing, selling, or lending an assault weapon
Lol

And they throw $750,000 worth of firearms in a pile based on that?

[Swordsmyth]

Very, very strange.
Read this for background: The curious case of Cynthia Beck’s abandoned Malibu and Bel Air mansions (https://www.yolandaslittleblackbook.com/blog/2018/05/18/cynthia-beck-abandoned-malibu-mansion-28012-sea-lane/)


More at: https://www.cryptogon.com/?p=54936

[phill4paul]

anonymous tip

and here we have the future of all gun owners under "red flag" laws.

[TheTexan]

the weapons could have ended up in the wrong hands.

Indeed.

It's a good thing these brave Officers found these probably illegal guns, before they fell into the hands of lawless criminals who have no respect for the constitution.

[TheCount]

I don't see why people are complaining; with Trumpcontrol, you worry about due process later.

[Superfluous Man]

Don't worry everybody, the NRA will come to his defense.

[buck000]

Pre-crime works! Phew, that was a close one. :rolleyes:

[Stratovarious]

Pre-crime works! Phew, that was a close one. :rolleyes:

Yes, thank God they arrested his ass before he didn't commit a crime of any kind,
or even plan too.

[fedupinmo]

That's a nice pile of scratched up guns! And IIRC they said 15 of those were "illegal to possess in California", although perfectly legal to possess in America as a federally protected right.

[Superfluous Man]

Yes, thank God they arrested his ass before he didn't commit a crime of any kind,
or even plan too.

Just to be clear, when you say "crime" here you must mean something other than a crime as defined by laws that politicians made up. Right? Because, he has been arrested under suspicion of committing a crime by that definition.

[kcchiefs6465]

That's a nice pile of scratched up guns! And IIRC they said 15 of those were "illegal to possess in California", although perfectly legal to possess in America as a federally protected right.
I have not heard about 15 of the firearms being illegal to possess in California but if he has an FFL, which apparently he does have, he is able to possess those firearms within California so long as he has a California Dangerous Weapons Permit.

[TheTexan]

Yes, thank God they arrested his ass before he didn't commit a crime of any kind,
or even plan too.

There's no way that anybody needs that many guns for 2nd amendment protected hunting purposes.

[Superfluous Man]

There's no way that anybody needs that many guns for 2nd amendment protected hunting purposes.

You're preaching to the choir. Strat is the guy who thinks suppressors should be banned.

[ATruepatriot]

I have not heard about 15 of the firearms being illegal to possess in California but if he has an FFL, which apparently he does have, he is able to possess those firearms within California so long as he has a California Dangerous Weapons Permit.

How much you want to bet they were legal when he acquired them and were grandfathered in before they were banned. But Ca has some idea that Ex Post Facto law is constitutional, they have passed all kinds of retroactive unconstitutional laws and no one is fighting against these like they should. And because no one is fighting them, this practice of passing Ex Post Facto law is spreading like a cancer across the country.

[Stratovarious]

You're preaching to the choir. Strat is the guy who thinks suppressors should be banned.

Lol , Texan is being sarcastic , as was I .

Shame you think the 2nd amendment was written to just protect hunters.

And when did you get you ccw ,,,,,,

lmao

: )

[Stratovarious]

How much you want to bet they were legal when he acquired them and were grandfathered in before they were banned. But Ca has some idea that Ex Post Facto law is constitutional, they have passed all kinds of retroactive unconstitutional laws and no one is fighting against these like they should. And because no one is fighting them, this practice of passing Ex Post Facto law is spreading like a cancer across the country.
''You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to ATruepatriot again.''

[ATruepatriot]

Lol , Texan is being sarcastic , as was I .

Shame you think the 2nd amendment was written to just protect hunters.

And when did you get you ccw ,,,,,,

lmao

: )

I know one thing, suppressors would be nice for hunting but not limited to, they should be mandatory. Nothing like having some idiot empty the magazine on a Remington 750 as fast as he can at a deer on opening day alerting every experienced deer in a 25 square mile zone ruining it for everyone else.

[Bern]

Per a CNN report I read, dude has an FFL. There's a decent chance every single firearm found was legitimately acquired and owned as part of a firearm business.

I've done business with FFLs that operated out of their homes. It is not uncommon.

[Schifference]

Legal/legitimate or not, I would not want to be that guy. Go broke and lose everything defending your innocence.

[sam1952]

and that more than 1,000 rounds of live ammunition were also recovered from the home.

Wow! 1,000 rounds of ammunition. That seems excessive. What would anyone need that many bullets for?

[Dr.3D]

and that more than 1,000 rounds of live ammunition were also recovered from the home.

Wow! 1,000 rounds of ammunition. That seems excessive. What would anyone need that many bullets for?
Yeah, that would be two boxes of 500 rounds.

Last time I bought a rifle, the shop I bought it from, included one box with it. It was a going out of business sale.

[dannno]

and that more than 1,000 rounds of live ammunition were also recovered from the home.

Wow! 1,000 rounds of ammunition. That seems excessive. What would anyone need that many bullets for?

Target practice?

[Dr.3D]

Target practice?
Yep, that's just two boxes of this....
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[sam1952]

Yep, two bricks of .22 long. Honestly I’d be more surprised to find a gun owner who DIDN’T have 1,000 rounds of ammunition...

[oyarde]

and that more than 1,000 rounds of live ammunition were also recovered from the home.

Wow! 1,000 rounds of ammunition. That seems excessive. What would anyone need that many bullets for?

If I was down to 1000 that would be emergency rations and I would be making more arrows . I feel more comfortable around the 10K range .

[oyarde]

Yep, that's just two boxes of this....
https://s17-us2.startpage.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=https:%2F%2Fd1w4q6ldc8l0qo.cloudfro nt.net%2Fmedia%2Fcatalog%2Fproduct%2Fcache%2F8%2Fs mall_image%2F450x%2F9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e 95%2F2%2F0%2F20f7037f0fcc535d241c1e2549e5ef0d.jpg&sp=9aefcddf6b871fcf898acb2570cf1bac

That would be similar to what was in my Christmas stocking when I was 14 .

[Swordsmyth]

KTLA said law enforcement officers wouldn't say if Beck is connected to the investigation nor if her family was living at home during the incident.

More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-05-10/never-seen-so-many-weapons-lapd-seize-1000-guns-bel-air-mansion

That usually means she is connected.

[Swordsmyth]

A California man faces 64 felony counts after authorities say they found a cache of more than 1,000 guns at his home in the exclusive, upscale Bel-Air neighborhood of Los Angeles.
Girard Damian Saenz, 58, pleaded not guilty Monday to charges that included 23 counts of possession of assault weapons. His arrest in May drew a barrage of media coverage (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/05/09/guns-seized-los-angeles-police-raid-home-bel-air-rifles-handguns/1150451001/) to the expansive residence not far from the Playboy Mansion.
Los Angeles police said the raid represented one of the largest gun seizures in city history. Preliminary investigations produced no connection to terrorism or other crimes, police have said.
Police and the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives swept through the home after receiving a tip of a person "conducting illegal firearms transaction outside the scope of the federal firearm license."


Police have said Saenz has a federal "curios and relics" gun license but was not authorized to sell weapons. He was released from custody on $50,000 bail shortly after the raid.
Other charges include 17 counts of transfer of a handgun with no licensed firearms dealer, 15 counts of unlawful assault weapon rifle activity, seven counts of possession of a short-barreled rifle or shotgun, and two counts of possession of a destructive device.
Saenz posted $100,000 bond and was again released. If convicted on all charges, he faces a maximum sentence of 48 years, eight months in state prison.
The case remains under investigation, Los Angeles police said.

More at: https://news.yahoo.com/man-stashed-1-000-guns-123140949.html

[Mach]

Who knows, but that's a lot of paperwork he had, they will investigate every single gun and look for anything they can get him on.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9VL8eYSCe0

[kcchiefs6465]

Who knows, but that's a lot of paperwork he had, they will investigate every single gun and look for anything they can get him on.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9VL8eYSCe0
Paperwork from every gun he sold within the last twenty years.

Plus who knows with California.

[Bern]

...
According to the ATF, Saenz has a federal firearms license, but the agency was investigating whether he was dealing weapons outside the restrictions of the license. In an interview, ATF spokeswoman Ginger Colbrun said that Saenz had an “03” license, which allows collectors to obtain “curios and relics,” but does not permit gun sales.
...

https://variety.com/2019/biz/news/girard-saenz-holmby-hills-weapons-cache-1203210031/?_escaped_fragment_=#!

If that's correct, he's toast.

[brushfire]

Gunwalker and "fast and furious" were government schemes that deliberately trafficked tens of thousands of firearms to known cartels.

Remember all of those government officials that went to jail? Remember when AG Holder was held accountable for Brian Terry's death?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJOFJNmCEVo

[brushfire]

oh... and here is where they brazenly/knowingly blame civilian gun owners for the government's deliberate sale of firearms to mexican drug cartels. This was news coverage before they were caught.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYTJlZbMerk

But all this injustice by our government is worth it - every time you drive on a road, or send your kid to an indoctrination factory.