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shakey1
05-08-2019, 12:24 PM
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The Boomer Age is drawing to its close. When one speaks of this group, it tends to mostly focus on white Boomers (not that others are outside the group, but to such a great extent, it really does mean those of mostly European background, if for no other reason than they have been the largest demographic group). When that age does end, we will see an ever dwindling European demographic majority in many Western nations (Canada and the USA are almost certainly the first, soon followed by a variety of European nations). That significant point of majority will be fading, as the numbers precipitously drop until below 50%. The question looming then is, what is next? Will it be the glorious Brave New World of harmonious multiculturalism or an uneasy balkanization that trends ever more to tribalism and violence? Based on existing evidence and studies, I believe that it will be closer to the latter.
A major demographic shift is impacting most Western nations, some more than others. This shift will lead to a far more multicultural/ethnic scenario, with those of European background as the minority within the next few decades. At first blush, many will say this is not a problem, holding out the wonders of civic nationalism and existing relative stability and prosperity with an already highly mixed demographic. The problem here is that this position doesn't really hold water in the long term, as can be demonstrated by existing nations who have not been able to sustain a similar state of peaceful existence and by studies that point in the same direction.
In the case of historical examples, we can point to places such as South Africa, Brazil, and the Rwandan and Yugoslavian debacles of the 1990s as a counterpoint to the belief in a multicultural paradise, as each has had great disharmony and violence between the different ethnicities who live there. The balkanization of Yugoslavia is a likely outcome facing a large number of Western nations — something that has been the case throughout history. (Even those of much more similar ethnocultural background have had difficulties assimilating and living together, such as the Irish and Italians who first arrived in the New World with significant tensions and clashes with the already existing citizens of North America.) Another case in point in history is the former Soviet Union's policy of population transfer, which was meant to break down nationalist sentiment but created various degrees of disharmony throughout its former "empire" (notably in Ukraine).
As far as studies that support this same concern, one can simply refer to Robert Putnam's article (https://www.saddleback.edu/faculty/agordon/documents/Bowling_Alone.pdf), later a book, "Bowling Alone," which denotes that the more a nation's ethnocultural homogeneity dissipates, the more its social capital and cohesion erode. A liberal academic and former member of the Carter administration, Putnam was reticent about revealing his findings, as they did not align with what he had hoped for. After waiting a decade, he finally did publish his findings, compounded and made more egregious by the additional years of data that just more fully affirmed what he dreaded in the first place. More recently, a working paper called "The Nature of Conflict (http://www.nber.org/papers/w21079)," written by Cemal E. Arbatli, Quamrul H. Ashraf, and Oded Galor (names that hardly ring out as typically WASP in origin), further entrenches much of what Putnam asserted (as does, to a great extent, renowned military historian Martin van Creveld, who has gone so far as to argue that mass immigration is invasion — i.e., effectively another type of warfare). Others who have made similar claims, based on these and other studies (notably Mark Steyn and Douglas Murray), have similarly argued that a fully multicultural Western world will not end well and that any negative aspects will assuredly show themselves once the Baby-Boomer generation has disappeared. (Note: Any such conflict cannot be seen as a "white versus nonwhite" scenario. There will almost certainly be multiple intersections that may lead to conflict, such as was seen during the L.A. riots of 1992 and Ferguson, Missouri 2014, where black curiously attacked Asian, especially Korean, residents, to their ultimate chagrin. In addition, we are just as likely to see at least some alliances among those of closer cultures or concepts of what ideals should exist for a civil society — example: those of European background aligning with those of Far East Asian ethnicity.)
I want to stress that what is to come may not be as bad, or, if one gets more dramatic, horrific as it could be. The title of this article was meant to be provocative, not necessarily prophetic. Undoubtedly, though, there will be varying degrees of stress (social and economic) and disharmony, depending on the nation or region of a nation. As mentioned before, there will almost certainly be some positive outcomes, alliances, and assimilation and integration, but the question is, to what extent and how much will in-group preference end up overriding any such positive outcomes? Although I truly hope we do not see anything like a Yugoslavia or Rwanda scenario, we must be realistic and be prepared for any eventuality, especially when there have been strong historical, anecdotal examples, as well as academic studies that suggest we are headed for at least some turbulence once the Boomers are gone.


https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/05/after_the_boomers_are_gone_the_bloodshed_begins.ht ml

Zippyjuan
05-08-2019, 01:03 PM
"The title of this article was meant to be provocative, not necessarily prophetic."

(We are just trying to scare people).

tod evans
05-08-2019, 01:07 PM
Even when us Boomers are gone this multicultural BS will remain largely a city problem.

Our children might have to protect our grandkids from the strife but so long as they remain in rural areas it shouldn't be much of a problem....

Lil' Italy and Chinatown used to be places to visit for a cultural experience, N'Orliens too but all that's gone by the wayside with this P/C culture and such things as 'empowerment' and 'diversity'....

Fuck a bunch of cities and fuck the folks who live in 'em!

Anti Federalist
05-08-2019, 01:11 PM
"The title of this article was meant to be provocative, not necessarily prophetic."

(We are just trying to scare people).

If I ran into your home, wild of eye and mussed of hair, screaming that your roof was on fire, would it scare you?

What if it was true?

AdamL
05-08-2019, 01:18 PM
Even when us Boomers are gone this multicultural BS will remain largely a city problem.

Our children might have to protect our grandkids from the strife but so long as they remain in rural areas it shouldn't be much of a problem....

Lil' Italy and Chinatown used to be places to visit for a cultural experience, N'Orliens too but all that's gone by the wayside with this P/C culture and such things as 'empowerment' and 'diversity'....

$#@! a bunch of cities and $#@! the folks who live in 'em!

We should just build giant walls around them all and turn them into prisons, Escape From New York style.

tod evans
05-08-2019, 01:19 PM
We should just build giant walls around them all and turn them into prisons, Escape From New York style.

No need, just don't feed 'em for a week.

Dr.3D
05-08-2019, 01:28 PM
How come we didn't have so much of this violence till after Obama became president?

Danke
05-08-2019, 01:38 PM
Even when us Boomers are gone this multicultural BS will remain largely a city problem.

Our children might have to protect our grandkids from the strife but so long as they remain in rural areas it shouldn't be much of a problem....

Lil' Italy and Chinatown used to be places to visit for a cultural experience, N'Orliens too but all that's gone by the wayside with this P/C culture and such things as 'empowerment' and 'diversity'....

Fuck a bunch of cities and fuck the folks who live in 'em!

How is that working out for the farmers in South Africa?

ATruepatriot
05-08-2019, 01:40 PM
How come we didn't have so much of this violence till after Obama became president?

Yep... Watched it happen play by play.

TheCount
05-08-2019, 01:42 PM
Alternatively, there will be significantly less bloodshed after the boomers are gone.

How popular are global empire building and interventionist wars among non-boomers?

When the boomers do not exist, will there be any neocons in Congress?

When the boomers do not exist, how will the criminal justice system change?

And so on. The OP article is self-indulgent Boomer bullshit.

AdamL
05-08-2019, 01:58 PM
Alternatively, there will be significantly less bloodshed after the boomers are gone.

How popular are global empire building and interventionist wars among non-boomers?

When the boomers do not exist, will there be any neocons in Congress?

When the boomers do not exist, how will the criminal justice system change?

And so on. The OP article is self-indulgent Boomer bull$#@!.

Yes comrade, I'm sure the new coalition of Millenial Soviets and hostile foreigners will lead us to a great new era of peace and prosperity.

tod evans
05-08-2019, 03:04 PM
How is that working out for the farmers in South Africa?

The indigenous people are culling the interlopers.........To their own demise, but that's their prerogative.

I've got this sneaky suspicion that such antics here might not turn out well for the city folk.....

But I could be wrong.

tod evans
05-08-2019, 03:04 PM
Yes comrade, I'm sure the new coalition of Millenial Soviets and hostile foreigners will lead us to a great new era of peace and prosperity.

You owe me a keyboard!

nobody's_hero
05-08-2019, 05:00 PM
Alternatively, there will be significantly less bloodshed after the boomers are gone.

How popular are global empire building and interventionist wars among non-boomers?

When the boomers do not exist, will there be any neocons in Congress?

When the boomers do not exist, how will the criminal justice system change?

And so on. The OP article is self-indulgent Boomer bull$#@!.

Hmm. I don't know if they're not popular with kids these days. Most millennials (like myself) and younger just don't seem to give a damn, which IMO is just as bad and/or useless. If it doesn't involve instant gratification, their hearts just aren't in it.

I can have a conversation with a boomer with much more ease than I can someone my own age. But if I really want to feel heard, I have to go back farther than that, and most of those guys who are really easy to talk to are almost dead.

Damn, now I feel old.

Swordsmyth
05-08-2019, 05:10 PM
Alternatively, there will be significantly less bloodshed after the boomers are gone.

How popular are global empire building and interventionist wars among non-boomers?

When the boomers do not exist, will there be any neocons in Congress?

When the boomers do not exist, how will the criminal justice system change?

And so on. The OP article is self-indulgent Boomer bull$#@!.

LOL

All of those things will get worse barring some other change that has nothing to do with any particular age group.

And I'm not even a boomer.

Swordsmyth
05-08-2019, 05:11 PM
The indigenous people are culling the interlopers.........To their own demise, but that's their prerogative.

I've got this sneaky suspicion that such antics here might not turn out well for the city folk.....

But I could be wrong.
The Boers are not the interlopers.

tod evans
05-08-2019, 05:52 PM
The Boers are not the interlopers.

Aren't you one who claims Europeans aren't interlopers in North America too?

Swordsmyth
05-08-2019, 05:56 PM
Aren't you one who claims Europeans aren't interlopers in North America too?
No, our ancestors took this land by force just like the Injuns tribes took land from eachother and just like most nations on earth.

The Boers colonized empty territory for the most part and most of the blacks in S. Africa move there from farther North.

ThePaleoLibertarian
05-08-2019, 06:22 PM
The boomers kept power from Gen X but won't be able to withstand the Millenials. One of the actually good things about Boomers is that they eventually saw the folly in revolutionary communism and embraced mindless, atomized consumerism. That of course, is a terrible thing, but at least there's no mass nationalization or gulags. Milllenials are true believers, whose worst tendencies were tempered by Boomer realism and Gen X apathy. The real wave is yet to come.

tod evans
05-08-2019, 06:23 PM
No, our ancestors took this land by force just like the Injuns tribes took land from eachother and just like most nations on earth.

The Boers colonized empty territory for the most part and most of the blacks in S. Africa move there from farther North.

Well maybe it's time for the Boers to wage war...

There's a generation or two of bored young men of European decent who could easily be convinced to wage a defensive war in exchange for land...

There's no telling who the fiercest warrior is, the European fighting for property/family or the Chinese fighting for honor...........Notice that the South African black wasn't mentioned?

Swordsmyth
05-08-2019, 06:25 PM
Well maybe it's time for the Boers to wage war...

There's a generation or two of bored young men of European decent who could easily be convinced to wage a defensive war in exchange for land...

There's no telling who the fiercest warrior is, the European fighting for property/family or the Chinese fighting for honor...........Notice that the South African black wasn't mentioned?
There is a Boer secession movement, we'll see if it turns into anything.

ATruepatriot
05-08-2019, 06:35 PM
There is a Boer secession movement, we'll see if it turns into anything.

I have a friend who just came back from South Africa, he said that the indigenous confiscated the farms and now realize they don't know how to run the farms successfully. So they are now between a rock and a hard place and talking about reconciling.

Swordsmyth
05-08-2019, 06:38 PM
I have a friend who just came back from South Africa, he said that the indigenous confiscated the farms and now realize they don't know how to run the farms successfully. So they are now between a rock and a hard place and talking about reconciling.
I'm sure there are some cooler heads but I'm afraid the firebrands will continue to prevail.

The Boers need to secede or there will be bloodshed sooner or later.

AngryCanadian
05-08-2019, 06:38 PM
Even when us Boomers are gone this multicultural BS will remain largely a city problem.

Our children might have to protect our grandkids from the strife but so long as they remain in rural areas it shouldn't be much of a problem....

Lil' Italy and Chinatown used to be places to visit for a cultural experience, N'Orliens too but all that's gone by the wayside with this P/C culture and such things as 'empowerment' and 'diversity'....

$#@! a bunch of cities and $#@! the folks who live in 'em!

This is why outside cities are better. This multicultural nonsense will cause a civil war in the near future.



Lil' Italy and Chinatown used to be places to visit for a cultural experience, N'Orliens too but all that's gone by the wayside with this P/C culture and such things as 'empowerment' and 'diversity'....

In New York city own version of Lil' Italy there used be a lot of Italian families from Italy now that is being changed. You cant have an Lil' Italy town without actual Italians. I am geting very tired of the way how MSM outlets are heavily prompting this diversity push in everywhere.

While i am pretty sure the majority of those reporters who are pushing this nonsense dont live anywhere near diverse communities.

Krugminator2
05-08-2019, 06:54 PM
The boomers kept power from Gen X but won't be able to withstand the Millenials. One of the actually good things about Boomers is that they eventually saw the folly in revolutionary communism and embraced mindless, atomized consumerism. That of course, is a terrible thing, but at least there's no mass nationalization or gulags. Milllenials are true believers, whose worst tendencies were tempered by Boomer realism and Gen X apathy. The real wave is yet to come.


I am a Millennial and I've noticed how pervasive anti-Americanism is. You see so few people who believe in the American Dream. This generation really is different. I used to think that people would become more conservative once they paid taxes but I don't see that happening. I saw a poll showing how much farther left Millennials are at this stage in life vs previous generations.

It seems like nihilism has really taken hold. Just a lot of people who want to live off the government with free college, free health care, Social Security, guaranteed minimum income and they want "hate speech" to be banned so they can't be offended. Voting at 16, felons voting, putting people in jail for misgendering or saying something bad about radical Islam are happening. And when MMT gains widespread acceptance, I shudder to think what will happen. The promise of endless free stuff with no bad consequences has never ended well for any country.

ATruepatriot
05-08-2019, 07:02 PM
I am a Millennial and I've noticed how pervasive anti-Americanism is. You see so few people who believe in the American Dream. This generation really is different. I used to think that people would become more conservative once they paid taxes but I don't see that happening. I saw a poll showing how much farther left Millennials are at this stage in life vs previous generations.

It seems like nihilism has really taken hold. Just a lot of people who want to live off the government with free college, free health care, Social Security, guaranteed minimum income and they want "hate speech" to be banned so they can't be offended. Voting at 16, felons voting, putting people in jail for misgendering or saying something bad about radical Islam are happening. And when MMT gains widespread acceptance, I shudder to think what will happen. The promise of endless free stuff with no bad consequences has never ended well for any country.

Thank you for sharing that. Elated that you see it... :)