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Swordsmyth
05-06-2019, 03:01 PM
There's a national push for voters (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/potential-2020-candidates-stand-midterms/story?id=59316177&cid=clicksource_77_2_hero_headlines_headlines_hed) to elect the U.S. vice president (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/nra-supporters-back-trump-bad-business/story?id=62615916)separately from the president (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/entries-endorsements-electability-weekly-roundup-potential-2020-field/story?id=62766827).

Vice.run (https://vice.run/), is a campaign that seeks to create a separate and independent ballot line (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/entries-endorsements-electability-weekly-roundup-potential-2020-field/story?id=62766827) for the vice president in 2020. The group is trying to collect -- from all 50 states -- voter signatures and pledges in support of the separate vice president election (https://abcnews.go.com/alerts/elections).
"An independently-elected vice president would give American voters a new level of direct control over who serves in the White House (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/potential-2020-candidates-stand-midterms/story?id=59316177&cid=clicksource_77_2_hero_headlines_headlines_hed) ," Vice.run says on its website. "Further, a separately-elected vice president could provide a moderating influence on the partisanship of the president."


More at: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/new-effort-launches-to-democratically-elect-the-vice-president-in-2020/ar-AAAW9S8?ocid=spartandhp


They would just love to make it so that the President can't pick a VP that discourages his assassination.

UWDude
05-06-2019, 03:04 PM
Like a push a fart makes in a hurricane.

Zippyjuan
05-06-2019, 04:01 PM
Technically the VP is already elected separately from the president- people don't realize it but according to the 12th Amendment, the Vice President is also chosen by the electoral college same as (and separately from) the President. Before the 12th Amendment, the Vice President was the person who got the second most presidential votes.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/when-did-vice-presidency-stop-going-to-second-place-ask-smithsonian-180957199/


When did the position of vice president of the United States stop going to the runner-up in the presidential election and become a separately elected office?

That was in 1804, when the 12th Amendment to the Constitution was ratified, says David Ward, senior historian at the National Portrait Gallery.

The amendment was proposed after the 1796 election resulted in a president (John Adams) and vice president (Thomas Jefferson) from opposing parties, and the 1800 election led to a tie between Jefferson and Aaron Burr. They were members of the same party (Democratic-Republican), but it took the House of Representatives 36 contentious ballots to break the tie, electing Jefferson president and Burr vice president. In 1804, Jefferson was re-elected and George Clinton became the first vice president under the 12th Amendment.


Twelfth Amendment:


The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President, and they shall make distinct lists of all persons voted for as President, and of all persons voted for as Vice-President, and of the number of votes for each, which lists they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the seat of the government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate;-The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted;-The person having the greatest Number of votes for President, shall be the President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed; and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice. And if the House of Representatives shall not choose a President whenever the right of choice shall devolve upon them, before the fourth day of March next following, then the Vice-President shall act as President, as in the case of the death or other constitutional disability of the President-The person having the greatest number of votes as Vice-President, shall be the Vice-President, if such number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed, and if no person have a majority, then from the two highest numbers on the list, the Senate shall choose the Vice-President; a quorum for the purpose shall consist of two-thirds of the whole number of Senators, and a majority of the whole number shall be necessary to a choice. But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

oyarde
05-06-2019, 04:04 PM
I will always just vote for myself for vice president then . Ideal job , corner office , nobody knows who you are or what you do , its as good as third string QB on a NFL team .

Anti Globalist
05-06-2019, 05:28 PM
So basically if Trump wins his reelection but his VP doesn't then the Democratic nominees VP pick ends up the new VP.

Zippyjuan
05-06-2019, 05:31 PM
So basically if Trump wins his reelection but his VP doesn't then the Democratic nominees VP pick ends up the new VP.

Theoretically possible, but the electoral college has historically just voted the same on the VP ticket as the Presidential one.

Most states don't have a separate vote for the VP.

oyarde
05-06-2019, 05:37 PM
So basically if Trump wins his reelection but his VP doesn't then the Democratic nominees VP pick ends up the new VP.

Ya , pretty ridiculous . On the bright side though Zippy could vote for me for Vice Pres .

fedupinmo
05-06-2019, 08:08 PM
Next we'll be selecting the president like Klingon ship captains and Terran Emperors...

tfurrh
05-06-2019, 08:23 PM
Next we'll be selecting the president like Klingon ship captains and Terran Emperors...

Doesn't Buttigieg speak Klingon?