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Snowball
05-06-2019, 09:11 AM
Pompeo Won’t Promise to Consult Congress Before Attacking Venezuela
Says anything Trump decides to do would be legal
https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Pompeo-won-t-promise-to-consult-Congress-about-13820872.php

"The president has his full range of Article 2 authorities, and I'm very confident that any action we took in Venezuela would be lawful."

None of this is stated in Article II. Perhaps he should pay attention to the last paragraph, however..
https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/articles/article-ii

This is not the first time a sitting Secretary of State argued that the President may launch wars without Congress.
Ultimately, it has never been done. Authorization was always sought by the President and granted by Congress, or War
was formally declared.

For example, the run-up to Desert Storm:
According to the Bush Administration, the fact that the Constitution gives Congress, and only Congress, the power "to declare war" doesn't stop the President from starting a war on his own. Congress might have interesting opinions, and its support is desirable, the argument goes. But its approval is not required should the President decide to attack Iraq, even if the attack is, in the Administration's phrase, sudden, massive and decisive.

It's a breathtaking misinterpretation of the Constitution.

The argument emerged in recent testimony by Secretary of State James Baker and in arguments by the Justice Department in lawsuits brought by 54 House members and a National Guardsman on duty in Saudi Arabia. Those lawsuits have now failed in the trial courts but the Administration's war powers claims are left as mere naked assertions.
https://www.nytimes.com/1990/12/15/opinion/who-can-declare-war.html

George Bush had to seek approval (and he got it):

The Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution (short title) ( Pub.L. 102–1) or Joint Resolution to authorize the use of United States Armed Forces pursuant to United Nations Security Council Resolution 678 (official title), was the United States Congress's January 14, 1991 authorization of the use ... President George H. W. Bush requested a Congressional joint resolution.

Anti Globalist
05-06-2019, 10:04 AM
Its statements like these where hes not even trying to hide that hes a neocon.

Warlord
05-06-2019, 11:29 AM
its a disgrace..

oyarde
05-06-2019, 11:57 AM
No , I cannot say I really see Article Two as valid being used to war with venezuela .

timosman
05-06-2019, 12:05 PM
Paul to Pompeo: You do not have ‘permission’ for war with Iran http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?533336-Paul-to-Pompeo-You-do-not-have-%91permission%92-for-war-with-Iran

ATruepatriot
05-06-2019, 12:14 PM
A war with Venezuela is a direct war with Russia.

Swordsmyth
05-06-2019, 02:50 PM
Pompeo is insane.

spudea
05-06-2019, 02:57 PM
I mean he is right historically, congress lets it happen and has never ended a war themselves by checking the president.

UWDude
05-06-2019, 03:05 PM
I think Pompeo and Bolton think they can start a war without the permission of the president.

AngryCanadian
05-06-2019, 03:19 PM
A war with Venezuela is a direct war with Russia.

And a war with Iran is a war with Hezbollah the same Hezbollah America supported them in Bosnia agaisnt Christians.

AngryCanadian
05-06-2019, 03:20 PM
I think Pompeo and Bolton think they can start a war without the permission of the president.

It seems Trump was so scared of what the CIA did to JFK he had no choice but to put in his admin the worst NeoCons around.

ATruepatriot
05-06-2019, 04:00 PM
And a war with Iran is a war with Hezbollah the same Hezbollah America supported them in Bosnia agaisnt Christians.

We have done a lot of that over the years. Create our own enemies. The one in Iran started in 1953. Take that back... even sooner right after WWII we started meddling with the Brits and British petroleum companies as our allies. It has been one after the other since. The CIA.

UWDude
05-06-2019, 04:19 PM
It seems Trump was so scared of what the CIA did to JFK he had no choice but to put in his admin the worst NeoCons around.

Trump has feelings on foreign policy, but stronger feelings elsewhere, and is more than willing to sacrifice them to get his other objectives.
He has clearly traded foreign policy away.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs

dannno
05-06-2019, 04:23 PM
I think Pompeo and Bolton think they can start a war without the permission of the president.

Ya, it's too bad more people here don't realize Trump is the only thing holding them back..

Warlord
05-06-2019, 09:00 PM
Rand Paul is doing everything he can to stop this

AngryCanadian
05-06-2019, 10:59 PM
Ya, it's too bad more people here don't realize Trump is the only thing holding them back..

Not really don't get your hopes up.
They are the ones who want to finish the seven year plan that NATO general exposed on that interview with Democracy now and its clear both from Pompeo and Bolton their chances of starting a war with Iran are going to move away should anything go wrong. They don't seem to care if they want to take out Venezuela they don't care about the rule at all.

But still you have to ask yourselves how could America start a war with Iran or anyone else now when considering Afghanistan is going so badly?

TheCount
05-07-2019, 05:00 AM
Ya, it's too bad more people here don't realize Trump is the only thing holding them back..
Yes, clearly the best way to hold them back was to make them part of his administration...