[Split] Andrew Yang

[juleswin]

We need an Andrew Yang and Tulsi Gabbard ticket. Those 2 would make a very dangerous combo which is why I doubt the dem establishment would ever let it happen.

[dannno]

We need an Andrew Yang and Tulsi Gabbard ticket would make a very dangerous combo but I doubt the dem establishment would let it happen.

The guy who thinks white people are going to start shooting up asian churches and put them in concentration camps??

[juleswin]

The guy who thinks white people are going to start shooting up asian churches and put them in concentration camps??

First of al, I do not think the man is perfect. I have so many issues with him but in the grand scheme of things, I think he is the best candidate in the race. But show me the evidence that supports that claim and we can go from there.

[Brian4Liberty]

First of al, I do not think the man is perfect. I have so many issues with him but in the grand scheme of things, I think he is the best candidate in the race. But show me the evidence that supports that claim and we can go from there.

UBI. Brilliant!

[juleswin]

UBI. Brilliant!

Wow, you changed that title really fast and also you got it right the first try. You know, you are getting better with this :)

With UBI, do not discount him because of this. Its a bit more nuanced than just UBI, its part of his reform for the welfare system and might actually end up saving the country money.

This man unlike many people who have run for the office is actually brilliant and have well thought out explanation for all their policies. I probably would not vote in 2020 but if I end up voting, he will likely get my vote.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GtM689X2IM

[juleswin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DHuRTvzMFw

Yang's 1 hr interview with Ben Shapiro. I dare anyone to watch the full interview and not fall in love with this guy. He is not a perfect candidate but just listening to him answer questions, you can see that he has thought about the policies he promotes and has good reasons for promoting them.

Give Yang a chance.

[Swordsmyth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DHuRTvzMFw

Yang's 1 hr interview with Ben Shapiro. I dare anyone to watch the full interview and not fall in love with this guy. He is not a perfect candidate but just listening to him answer questions, you can see that he has thought about the policies he promotes and has good reasons for promoting them.

Give Yang a chance.
NO

[juleswin]

NO

Maybe not you, I cannot think of a bigger Trump fanboi on this forum than you. Any open minded person who is willing to be convinced, please check Andrew Yang out and remember, its not Andrew Yang vs Ron Paul. Its him vs all the other rubbish statist candidates.

[Swordsmyth]

Maybe not you, I cannot think of a bigger Trump fanboi on this forum than you. Any open minded person who is willing to be convinced, please check Andrew Yang out and remember, its not Andrew Yang vs Ron Paul. Its him vs all the other rubbish statist candidates.
LOL

Yang is a joke.

[juleswin]

LOL

Yang is a joke.

People used to say that about Trump but patriots like you gave him a chance. Do the same for Yang.

[Swordsmyth]

People used to say that about Trump but patriots like you gave him a chance. Do the same for Yang.
LOL

I didn't give Trump a chance until he was in office and exceeded my expectations and Yang is 100 times the joke Trump seemed to be.

[juleswin]

LOL

I didn't give Trump a chance until he was in office and exceeded my expectations and Yang is 100 times the joke Trump seemed to be.

Trump exceeded your expectation because the thought of him as a joke. Yang would exceed your expectation 10000000x more than Trump did for u. I am giving Yang a chance and at the moment he is the best candidate in the race.

[Swordsmyth]

Trump exceeded your expectation because the thought of him as a joke. Yang would exceed your expectation 10000000x more than Trump did for u. I am giving Yang a chance and at the moment he is the best candidate in the race.
LOL

https://s1.qwant.com/thumbr/0x0/1/7/ca1a7b58af3721597184ff83a7a1ada30de4b11cae40bb4bfa 0d774df600e0/hqdefault.jpg?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FM k8ee2F9iAc%2Fhqdefault.jpg&q=0&b=1&p=0&a=1

[specsaregood]

People used to say that about Trump but patriots like you gave him a chance. Do the same for Yang.

I voted for Trump for the LOLs and he has performed admirably. I see no evidence that Yang would be nearly as amusing.

[juleswin]

LOL

https://s1.qwant.com/thumbr/0x0/1/7/ca1a7b58af3721597184ff83a7a1ada30de4b11cae40bb4bfa 0d774df600e0/hqdefault.jpg?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FM k8ee2F9iAc%2Fhqdefault.jpg&q=0&b=1&p=0&a=1

first they laugh at you.........

[Swordsmyth]

first they laugh at you.........
And then you get the hook.

https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fallthingsd.com%2Ffiles%2F2013%2F10 %2FVaudeville-Hook.jpg&f=1

[Anti Federalist]

I dare anyone to watch the full interview and not fall in love with this guy. He is not a perfect candidate but just listening to him answer questions, you can see that he has thought about the policies he promotes and has good reasons for promoting them.

Give Yang a chance.

Yang is in favor of $1000 month government funded UBI welfare check for everybody.

Yang is in favor of Medicare For All.

Yang is in favor of licensing, registration and "tiered" restrictions on Second Amendment rights.

Yang is in favor of $6 billion in federal bailouts to "save shopping malls".

[Swordsmyth]

Yang is in favor of $1000 month government funded UBI welfare check for everybody.

Yang is in favor of Medicare For All.

Yang is in favor of licensing, registration and "tiered" restrictions on Second Amendment rights.

Yang is in favor of $6 billion in federal bailouts to "save shopping malls".

But why won't you give him a chance?

[ATruepatriot]

Yang is in favor of $1000 month government funded UBI welfare check for everybody.

Yang is in favor of Medicare For All.

Yang is in favor of licensing, registration and "tiered" restrictions on Second Amendment rights.

Yang is in favor of $6 billion in federal bailouts to "save shopping malls".

In other words a communist. Already explained this the other night.

[juleswin]

I voted for Trump for the LOLs and he has performed admirably. I see no evidence that Yang would be nearly as amusing.

Yes, Trump is a funny clown but at some point a real man needs more than lol. I have to admit that Trump has produced many hilarious moments for me and if you know me, there is nothing I like more than lols. With Yang, its not so much the individual policies instead its about the man and the way he approaches problems. Just listen to the answer he gave during the Shapiro interview, you will actually see a thinking man and not a politician.

Yes Trump wasn't a politician but lets face it, the man is an empty vessel. His answers to questions are always one dimensional. You can tell that he only thinks one step ahead. Yang is on a whole different level. Give the man a chance, he will produce way more than lols for the country

[juleswin]

Yang is in favor of $1000 month government funded UBI welfare check for everybody.

Yang is in favor of Medicare For All.

Yang is in favor of licensing, registration and "tiered" restrictions on Second Amendment rights.

Yang is in favor of $6 billion in federal bailouts to "save shopping malls".

He is not in favor of medicare for all

The line about shopping malls, well sort of. He has a program where tax credits are given to people who repurpose empty mall into useful spaces.

The UBI program is his way of reducing welfare spending and I am not sure about the 2nd amendment bit. But aren't they all bad when it comes to the 2nd amendment? What do u got to lose?

[jkr]

What do u got to lose?

CONSENT?

but

I like tulsee and yang bang -some of their ideas, not so much...and

THAT
IS
ALL

I think Teflon don gets the nod to rob us some more...

[Anti Federalist]

He is not in favor of medicare for all

Medicare for All

Access to quality healthcare is one of the most important factors in overall well being, and yet America is one of the few industrialized nations not to provide healthcare for all of its citizens. Instead, we have a private healthcare system that leaves millions uninsured and bankrupts even some of those who do have health insurance. At the same time, our cost of care is higher than in almost any other industrialized country while providing worse outcomes. The Affordable Care Act was a step in the right direction, providing funds to states to innovate while expanding Medicaid substantially. However, it didn’t address the fundamental issues plaguing our healthcare system:

Access to medicine isn’t guaranteed to all citizens
The incentives for healthcare providers don’t align with providing quality, efficient care

This must change.

Either through expanding Medicare to all, or through creating a new healthcare system, we must move in the direction of a public option to ensure that all Americans can receive the healthcare they deserve. Not only will this raise the quality of life for all Americans, but, by increasing access to preventive care, it will bring overall healthcare costs down.

https://www.yang2020.com/policies/medicare-for-all/

[juleswin]

CONSENT?

but

I like tulsee and yang bang -some of their ideas, not so much...and

THAT
IS
ALL

I think Teflon don gets the nod to rob us some more...

Yea, some of their policies makes me sick to the stomach but then I look at them and look at Trump and its all about improving your lot even if just by a little bit. If Tulsi and Yang run in one ticket, I would find it hard not voting for them. But Yang as to be on top of the ticket, there is something about Tulsi that keep me up at night. Also she is a slow talker and I don't like that quality in people.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4ixoO3pMM0&t=2s

[juleswin]

Medicare for All

Access to quality healthcare is one of the most important factors in overall well being, and yet America is one of the few industrialized nations not to provide healthcare for all of its citizens. Instead, we have a private healthcare system that leaves millions uninsured and bankrupts even some of those who do have health insurance. At the same time, our cost of care is higher than in almost any other industrialized country while providing worse outcomes. The Affordable Care Act was a step in the right direction, providing funds to states to innovate while expanding Medicaid substantially. However, it didn’t address the fundamental issues plaguing our healthcare system:

Access to medicine isn’t guaranteed to all citizens
The incentives for healthcare providers don’t align with providing quality, efficient care

This must change.

Either through expanding Medicare to all, or through creating a new healthcare system, we must move in the direction of a public option to ensure that all Americans can receive the healthcare they deserve. Not only will this raise the quality of life for all Americans, but, by increasing access to preventive care, it will bring overall healthcare costs down.

https://www.yang2020.com/policies/medicare-for-all/

Then vote for him for the LOLs, asian people are smart and funny :)

[Swordsmyth]

Yea, some of their policies makes me sick to the stomach but then I look at them and look at Trump and its all about improving your lot even if just by a little bit. If Tulsi and Yang run in one ticket, I would find it hard not voting for them. But Yang as to be on top of the ticket, there is something about Tulsi that keep me up at night. Also she is a slow talker and I don't like that quality in people.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4ixoO3pMM0&t=2s
Tulsi and Yang will unimprove your lot a lot, Trump is improving your lot even if just by a little bit.

[Anti Federalist]

Then vote for him for the LOLs, asian people are smart and funny :)

If I wanted LOLs, I would vote Vermin Supreme.

I haven't decided...

I might vote Trump because: fuck all ya'll.

Or I may write in Ron Paul, again.

[asurfaholic]

NO

Can you expand on why you say “NO” for those of us who aren’t paying that much attention anymore?

What makes you say that

[Swordsmyth]

Can you expand on why you say “NO” for those of us who aren’t paying that much attention anymore?

What makes you say that

Yang is in favor of $1000 month government funded UBI welfare check for everybody.

Yang is in favor of Medicare For All.

Yang is in favor of licensing, registration and "tiered" restrictions on Second Amendment rights.

Yang is in favor of $6 billion in federal bailouts to "save shopping malls".


In other words a communist. Already explained this the other night.


...

[juleswin]

You don't do it in a manner that will destroy the US, why is destroying the US somehow more acceptable than the destruction of other countries? "White man evil"?
The clones of the US are not unforeseen they are as certain as the night follows the day.

You are recommending burning down the house to get rid of a burglar.

I know you think socialism will destroy the US but it wouldn't destroy anything. The Scandinavian countries have a bigger welfare system than anything Yang is proposing. If socialism was going to destroy a nation, it would have destroyed those countries by now. So no, voting for Yang or even Trump would not destroy this nation. But if it was actually the case that it would destroy this nation then I will still do it.

The difference here is that the US has a choice not to be destructive while the countries they destroy don't have that choice. So I will always choose to stop the active person in that kind of scenario.

White man evil? how about evil man evil. If you go around pillaging and destroying countries that haven't done anything to you, then you are evil. The colour of your skin makes no difference to me.

I am recommending burning down Frankenstein inside his castle to save the village folks. As you have suggested, the only way to stop Frankenstein is to kill him.

[Swordsmyth]

I know you think socialism will destroy the US but it wouldn't destroy anything. The Scandinavian countries have a bigger welfare system than anything Yang is proposing. If socialism was going to destroy a nation, it would have destroyed those countries by now. So no, voting for Yang or even Trump would not destroy this nation. But if it was actually the case that it would destroy this nation then I will still do it.
What the Demoncrats propose is far worse than anything the Scandinavian countries do and they are destroyed, it is just a slower less dramatic destruction right now but it will turn into a collapse in time.


The difference here is that the US has a choice not to be destructive while the countries they destroy don't have that choice. So I will always choose to stop the active person in that kind of scenario.

White man evil? how about evil man evil. If you go around pillaging and destroying countries that haven't done anything to you, then you are evil. The colour of your skin makes no difference to me.

I am recommending burning down Frankenstein inside his castle to save the village folks. As you have suggested, the only way to stop Frankenstein is to kill him.
You are just rationalizing, the US is not the only country that does harm in the world nor is it only able to be stopped by destroying it nor will destroying it end or even reduce the violence and destruction in the world.


You are making yourself an excellent example of why letting in very many immigrants is a BAD idea.

[ATruepatriot]

I know you think socialism will destroy the US but it wouldn't destroy anything. The Scandinavian countries have a bigger welfare system than anything Yang is proposing. If socialism was going to destroy a nation, it would have destroyed those countries by now. So no, voting for Yang or even Trump would not destroy this nation. But if it was actually the case that it would destroy this nation then I will still do it.

The difference here is that the US has a choice not to be destructive while the countries they destroy don't have that choice. So I will always choose to stop the active person in that kind of scenario.

White man evil? how about evil man evil. If you go around pillaging and destroying countries that haven't done anything to you, then you are evil. The colour of your skin makes no difference to me.

I am recommending burning down Frankenstein inside his castle to save the village folks. As you have suggested, the only way to stop Frankenstein is to kill him.

And I have already shared with you link after link that the Scandinavian socialism is a myth. And you refused to read them, so no it isn't working because it isn't true in the first place.

[juleswin]

What the Demoncrats propose is far worse than anything the Scandinavian countries do and they are destroyed, it is just a slower less dramatic destruction right now but it will turn into a collapse in time.


You are just rationalizing, the US is not the only country that does harm in the world nor is it only able to be stopped by destroying it nor will destroying it end or even reduce the violence and destruction in the world.


You are making yourself an excellent example of why letting in very many immigrants is a BAD idea.

I dunno why its hard for u to understand but the US is the ring leader of the destroyers, voting in a Yang or a Tulsi who would actually implement a non interventionist FP would make it safer for other countries. Maybe at the end you wouldn't be saddled with Iraqis, Afghani, Vietnamese, Laotian, Syrians, Sudanese, Somalis, Koreans etc etc refugees.

So now I am a bad immigrant because I want to create less refugees for the US? I have never committed a crime in the country, never taken welfare, pay my taxes, gainfully employed and all that doesn't matter because I want this govt to mind its own goddamn business around the globe?

[juleswin]

And I have already shared with you link after link that the Scandinavian socialism is a myth. And you refused to read them, so no it isn't working because it isn't true in the first place.

Yes you have and Yang is not coming to end capitalism. He is just going to implement a smaller welfare state than you see in the Scandinavian countries. So if those countries are no socialist then the US wouldn't be socialist too. Some of his idea are similar to policies proposed by Milton Friedman.

[ATruepatriot]

Yes you have and Yang is not coming to end capitalism. He is just going to implement a smaller welfare state than you see in the Scandinavian countries. So if those countries are no socialist then the US wouldn't be socialist too. Some of his idea are similar to policies proposed by Milton Friedman.

Our welfare state is already too big now. What we need is a good economy and jobs, not more deadbeats who are not self responsible for themselves and burden others. This is the Ron Paul way... And why I agree with him. I have no love for foreign entanglements, but right now there are much more pressing priorities, The economy and everything that hinders a better economy like illegal immigration and lazy asses. The best idea is to NOT NEED WELFARE. General prosperity is a much better concept than general welfare, it is a very simple concept!

[RJB]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DHuRTvzMFw

Yang's 1 hr interview with Ben Shapiro. I dare anyone to watch the full interview and not fall in love with this guy. He is not a perfect candidate but just listening to him answer questions, you can see that he has thought about the policies he promotes and has good reasons for promoting them.

Give Yang a chance.

I will watch it tomorrow. However, even if he says the right things, how will I know he's not BSing?

[juleswin]

Our welfare state is already too big now. What we need is a good economy and jobs, not more deadbeats who are not self responsible for themselves and burden others. This is the Ron Paul way... And why I agree with him. I have no love for foreign entanglements, but right now there are much more pressing priorities, The economy and everything that hinders a better economy like illegal immigration and lazy asses. The best idea is to NOT NEED WELFARE. General prosperity is a much better concept than general welfare, it is a very simple concept!

Some have actually argued that implementing the UBI in place of the current welfare system we have right now would actually reduce the size of govt. Also non of the people running right now is anything like Ron Paul so if you must vote, you vote for the lesser of all the evils. Also Yang is the only dem apart from Tulsi who has said that they will cut the defense budget. Not even lying Trump would dare say that even during the campaign.

Yang is full of bold anti establishment, anti neocon ideas. Keep an eye on him, he is going to grow on u.

[dannno]

Some have actually argued that implementing the UBI in place of the current welfare system we have right now would actually reduce the size of govt. Also non of the people running right now is anything like Ron Paul so if you must vote, you vote for the lesser of all the evils. Also Yang is the only dem apart from Tulsi who has said that they will cut the defense budget. Not even lying Trump would dare say that even during the campaign.

Yang is full of bold anti establishment, anti neocon ideas. Keep an eye on him, he is going to grow on u.

In the video he said that if people were on welfare that gave them more than $1k/mo then they could stay on it, but they wouldn't get the UBI. If you opt-in for the UBI, then you can't get the other type of welfare benefits.

This means a lot of people who are on welfare will be getting the same benefits they are now, then we have to add the UBI on for everybody else.

[juleswin]

I will watch it tomorrow. However, even if he says the right things, how will I know he's not BSing?

That is the risk with new candidates like him. You take the chance and hope for the best. A politician who is against the minimum wage, in favor of making drastic cuts to the military budget, wants to cut the debt(Bernie says the debt doesn't matter) etc etc. This man is far far from perfect but you will see that he is by far better than anything on the state.

Also, he has about a -.5% chance of winning it all. But if for some magical reason he catches fire, then I am willing to see what he is all about.

[ATruepatriot]

Some have actually argued that implementing the UBI in place of the current welfare system we have right now would actually reduce the size of govt. Also non of the people running right now is anything like Ron Paul so if you must vote, you vote for the lesser of all the evils. Also Yang is the only dem apart from Tulsi who has said that they will cut the defense budget. Not even lying Trump would dare say that even during the campaign.

Yang is full of bold anti establishment, anti neocon ideas. Keep an eye on him, he is going to grow on u.

Nope... Been around too long and seen too much already. You are not going to ever get smaller government from a Democrat. They live to increase dependency on and control from bigger government, If you believe anything other you are fooling yourself.

[juleswin]

Nope... Been around too long and seen too much already. You are not going to ever get smaller government from a Democrat. They live to increase dependency on and control from bigger government, If you believe anything other you are fooling yourself.

The govt is getting bigger as we speak, you can continue the path or try for a really really big wildcard in Yang. I generally don't ever get to vote because all the candidates are always big govt and pro war but if Yang makes it to the finals, I think I might try the wildcard out. Like Trump said, what do u got to lose?

[ATruepatriot]

The govt is getting bigger as we speak, you can continue the path or try for a really really big wildcard in Yang. I generally don't ever get to vote because all the candidates are always big govt and pro war but if Yang makes it to the finals, I think I might try the wildcard out. Like Trump said, what do u got to lose?

Actually I see Trump cutting regulations and unneeded government, The stock market is setting all time records, and the debt clock has slowed to almost nothing. We are becoming prosperous again. And if we can keep communism out it will continue.

[Swordsmyth]

I dunno why its hard for u to understand but the US is the ring leader of the destroyers,
No it is not, the international cabal has moved from one country to another many times and if it has a home it is somewhere like London or Vatican City or Jerusalem.


voting in a Yang or a Tulsi who would actually implement a non interventionist FP would make it safer for other countries.
It's truly sad that you are foolish enough to believe that Yang or Tulsi would actually implement noninterventionism or that implementing it just in the US would make the world safe.


Maybe at the end you wouldn't be saddled with Iraqis, Afghani, Vietnamese, Laotian, Syrians, Sudanese, Somalis, Koreans etc etc refugees.

So now I am a bad immigrant because I want to create less refugees for the US? I have never committed a crime in the country, never taken welfare, pay my taxes, gainfully employed and all that doesn't matter because I want this govt to mind its own goddamn business around the globe?
The refugees aren't a problem except that they help impose socialism/communism and destroy America, you are trying to do exactly that.
Wanting the US to leave other countries alone is not bad but trying to destroy the US in order to achieve it is not a good idea for the US and we should not let your ilk in to do it to us.

[Swordsmyth]

The govt is getting bigger as we speak, you can continue the path or try for a really really big wildcard in Yang. I generally don't ever get to vote because all the candidates are always big govt and pro war but if Yang makes it to the finals, I think I might try the wildcard out. Like Trump said, what do u got to lose?
Trump is turning things around and reducing government, he might not be doing it as fast as we want but he is doing it.

Your plan is to stop using water to try and put out the chemical fire because it isn't as effective as foam and then replace it with gasoline.

[Swordsmyth]

In the video he said that if people were on welfare that gave them more than $1k/mo then they could stay on it, but they wouldn't get the UBI. If you opt-in for the UBI, then you can't get the other type of welfare benefits.

This means a lot of people who are on welfare will be getting the same benefits they are now, then we have to add the UBI on for everybody else.
He just wants everyone on some kind of welfare so that everyone will vote to keep it.

Just another communist.

[ATruepatriot]

No it is not, the international cabal has moved from one country to another many times and if it has a home it is somewhere like London or Vatican City or Jerusalem.

I'm starting to wonder if Jules even understands the true larger picture of who the real players are in this game of chess. There is no one country to blame at all, they are all being controlled by just a few players who set up everything. I know you know this, I wonder if Jules does? This may be where a huge difference in perspectives might be.

[Swordsmyth]

I'm starting to wonder if Jules even understands the true larger picture of who the real players are in this game of chess. There is no one country to blame at all, they are all being controlled by just a few players who set up everything. I know you know this, I wonder if Jules does? This may be where a huge difference in perspectives might be.
Jules (If he is sincere and not just here to promote communism) has been steeped in communist anti-American propaganda as most of the population of the world have been.

[ATruepatriot]

Jules (If he is sincere and not just here to promote communism) has been steeped in communist anti-American propaganda as most of the population of the world have been.

I'm curious because every time I hint of this realty it goes over the head. Maybe he really does not know about the true powers that be and needs an education to understand the true scope and power behind it all.

[juleswin]

In the video he said that if people were on welfare that gave them more than $1k/mo then they could stay on it, but they wouldn't get the UBI. If you opt-in for the UBI, then you can't get the other type of welfare benefits.

This means a lot of people who are on welfare will be getting the same benefits they are now, then we have to add the UBI on for everybody else.

Good point. The good thing is that he wouldn't be able to implement his UBI idea with the congress he probably would be saddled with.

[Brian4Liberty]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DHuRTvzMFw

Yang's 1 hr interview with Ben Shapiro. I dare anyone to watch the full interview and not fall in love with this guy. He is not a perfect candidate but just listening to him answer questions, you can see that he has thought about the policies he promotes and has good reasons for promoting them.

Give Yang a chance.

Shapiro is very polite with him, so it may not be obvious that Yang has no answers to the concerns that Shapiro brings up with his plans. They seem to have a shared background, and it is almost overly friendly.

Yang, like many people, is good at identifying some problems, it’s the solutions he is proposing that won’t work. He talks about the value of work and a work ethic, and this is fine, but it has nothing to do with his solutions. If philosophy and human purpose is his goal, he can be a life coach and open a charity that does that.

I find Yang terribly naive, an ivory tower central planner that lacks worldly experience and common sense. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

His basic theme is redistruibion of wealth. He wants to manipulate society via a powerful central government which always leads to disaster. Value added tax? Great, a new tax. UBI? Great, a new welfare program. Universal public healthcare? Great, huge costs combined with reduced service.

No thanks. Just because he is a “nice guy” who is articulate does not mean that he has any solutions that will work.

[acptulsa]

Yes you have and Yang is not coming to end capitalism. He is just going to implement a smaller welfare state than you see in the Scandinavian countries. So if those countries are no socialist then the US wouldn't be socialist too. Some of his idea are similar to policies proposed by Milton Friedman.

You know what? Micromismanagement on a large scale doesn't work. You know what else? The Tenth Amendment guarantees that states that want to play with socialism may do so. If Ron Paul had been elected, Commiefornia and Taxachusetts would not have changed. They would just be having trouble stealing from the poor people of Nebraska, Kansas and Oklahoma to pay for it.

I don't vote for socialists for federal office. Period. And if I thought it would be a good thing to troll the Democrats I'd probably try to get Tulsi some attention. So don't expect me to generate any ying for Yang.

[Anti Federalist]

I'm starting to wonder if Jules even understands the true larger picture of who the real players are in this game of chess. There is no one country to blame at all, they are all being controlled by just a few players who set up everything. I know you know this, I wonder if Jules does? This may be where a huge difference in perspectives might be.

Jules is trolling you, is what Jules is doing.

[acptulsa]

Dp

[juleswin]

You know what? Micromismanagement on a large scale doesn't work. You know what else? The Tenth Amendment guarantees that states that want to play with socialism may do so. If Ron Paul had been elected, Commiefornia and Taxachusetts would not have changed. They just would be having trouble stealing from the poor people of Nebraska, Kansas and Oklahoma to pay for it.

We already have SS, medicare so the precedent has been set. This is not going to be micromanagement of anything. It was be less management that many programs the feds already run. The UBI is going to be $1000 for everyone, no means testing whatsoever. This would be on par with the stuff we are already doing.

Also, Ron Paul is not running, the vote is not between Yang and a Paul but between a DJT a Bernie, a Beto ........and Yang. Yes, he is far from perfect but you get the feeling that he is smart enough to admit when he is wrong and make corrective actions. This is why I recommend listening to him speak. You can tell when someone is different from the rest of the clown show.

[Swordsmyth]

We already have SS, medicare so the precedent has been set. This is not going to be micromanagement of anything. It was be less management that many programs the feds already run. The UBI is going to be $1000 for everyone, no means testing whatsoever. This would be on par with the stuff we are already doing.

Also, Ron Paul is not running, the vote is not between Yang and a Paul but between a DJT a Bernie, a Beto ........and Yang. Yes, he is far from perfect but you get the feeling that he is smart enough to admit when he is wrong and make corrective actions. This is why I recommend listening to him speak. You can tell when someone is different from the rest of the clown show.
UBI is a step towards making everyone dependent on the government for their needs, It is one of the worst possible ideas ever.

[juleswin]

Shapiro is very polite with him, so it may not be obvious that Yang has no answers to the concerns that Shapiro brings up with his plans. They seem to have a shared background, and it is almost overly friendly.

Yang, like many people, is good at identifying some problems, it’s the solutions he is proposing that won’t work. He talks about the value of work and a work ethic, and this is fine, but it has nothing to do with his solutions. If philosophy and human purpose is his goal, he can be a life coach and open a charity that does that.

I find Yang terribly naive, an ivory tower central planner that lacks worldly experience and common sense. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

His basic theme is redistruibion of wealth. He wants to manipulate society via a powerful central government which always leads to disaster. Value added tax? Great, a new tax. UBI? Great, a new welfare program. Universal public healthcare? Great, huge costs combined with reduced service.

No thanks. Just because he is a “nice guy” who is articulate does not mean that he has any solutions that will work.

He is all of that but also very intelligent. This I think is what we have been missing with our recent president. They are all going to be central planner so why not select a planner with serious brain power behind him? Take a look at our recent selections for president and just about every single one of em have been seriously dumb. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the OK.

[Swordsmyth]

He is all of that but also very intelligent. This I think is what we have been missing with our recent president. They are all going to be central planner so why not select a planner with serious brain power behind him? Take a look at our recent selections for president and just about every single one of em have been seriously dumb. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the OK.
Brainpower often makes people think they know everything better than you and try to micromanage everything.
I'd rather have a moron who has better policy positions than a genius who thinks that he can make communism work because he is so smart.

[juleswin]

UBI is a step towards making everyone dependent on the government for their needs, It is one of the worst possible ideas ever.

Milton Friedman thought it was a good idea. Regardless, I doubt he as a president would get it passed. Some of the outlandish ideas that he proposes is just there to get him pass the far left primary voters. He is going to flip once he wins the nomination.

[Swordsmyth]

Milton Friedman thought it was a good idea. Regardless, I doubt he as a president would get it passed. Some of the outlandish ideas that he proposes is just there to get him pass the far left primary voters. He is going to flip once he wins the nomination.
The Demoncrats are moving ever farther left and he would only make that worse, whatever he was able to accomplish would be horrible.

[juleswin]

Brainpower often makes people think they know everything better than you and try to micromanage everything.
I'd rather have a moron who has better policy positions than a genius who thinks that he can make communism work because he is so smart.

But the moron also thinks he knows it all and actively works to micromanage society.

[Swordsmyth]

But the moron also thinks he knows it all and actively works to micromanage society.
I assume you are calling Trump the moron, in that case you are wrong, he is deregulating so that the government does less micromanaging.

[ATruepatriot]

Jules is trolling you, is what Jules is doing.

Oh I know... But I am starting to wonder about how full his tool box really is. He claims he hasn't even read Marx, without Marx you can't even begin to rightfully understand Capitalism, Socialism, or Communism. Without understanding the power of the Global finance and debt organizations that own everything in the world including us, there is no way to see the true overall perspective and reality.

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

An income floor is superior to the welfare state as it exists, with its perverse incentives.

[ATruepatriot]

An income floor is superior to the welfare state as it exists, with its perverse incentives.

A universal income floor eventually becomes a universal income cap in this idea of income equality that is being spouted. Once the foot is through the door and firmly planted this is next. The door needs to be shut before it can happen. No one is looking far enough down the road at all with this ideology.

What is wrong with Universal Prosperity??? Why is this very real and advantageous option never mentioned anymore???

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

A universal income floor eventually becomes a universal income cap in this idea of income equality that is being spouted. Once the foot is through the door and firmly planted this is next. The door needs to be shut before it can happen. No one is looking far enough down the road at all with this ideology.
Maybe some might take it in that direction, but I think income caps and the like are more likely with the current welfare state than an income floor of some sort.

[ATruepatriot]

Maybe some might take it in that direction

There is no some might, it will be universal...

[juleswin]

Oh I know... But I am starting to wonder about how full his tool box really is. He claims he hasn't even read Marx, without Marx you can't even begin to rightfully understand Capitalism, Socialism, or Communism. Without understanding the power of the Global finance and debt organizations that own everything in the world including us, there is no way to see the true overall perspective and reality.

Just so u know AF used to think I was Eduardo's sock account. This not the first or the last time he will be wrong about me. I am a lot of things but a troll is not one of em

[ATruepatriot]

Just so u know AF used to think I was Eduardo's sock account. This not the first or the last time he will be wrong about me. I am a lot of things but a troll is not one of em

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt until I also think so for sure myself. But still trying to figure out if you are pulling my leg with the examples of ignorance or if your toolbox actually isn't that full. The first would indeed be trolling.

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

There is no some might, it will be universal...
I'm not so sure. Major multinational corporations and their CEOs are highly supportive of neo-progressive cultural hegemony. Would progressive politicans really break their biggest allies by confiscating that much of their wealth? And even if they would, does some form of UBI make that more likely?

It isn't obvious to me that an income floor would make income caps inevitable. It might be the opposite; UBI might quell some of the growing neo-progressive demands since there'll be less strain on the unemployed and underpaid. Historically, workers in the Anglosphere don't want revolutionary upheavals, they just want a better deal, and the coming automated post-industrial economy isn't going to be able to provide it for them.

[oyarde]

We need an Andrew Yang and Tulsi Gabbard ticket would make a very dangerous combo but I doubt the dem establishment would let it happen.

I agree they would be dangerous .

[oyarde]

Yang is in favor of $1000 month government funded UBI welfare check for everybody.

Yang is in favor of Medicare For All.

Yang is in favor of licensing, registration and "tiered" restrictions on Second Amendment rights.

Yang is in favor of $6 billion in federal bailouts to "save shopping malls".

The shopping mall thing confirms the insanity . The rest sounds like any dem ticket .

[Brian4Liberty]

UBI - if we give everyone a million dollars a year, we’ll all be rich!

[Brian4Liberty]

He is all of that but also very intelligent. This I think is what we have been missing with our recent president. They are all going to be central planner so why not select a planner with serious brain power behind him? Take a look at our recent selections for president and just about every single one of em have been seriously dumb. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the OK.

You believe he is intelligent. My opinion is that he not particularly intelligent, based on the solutions he proposes.

[RJB]

UBI - if we give everyone a million dollars a year, we’ll all be rich!

I am tempted to move to Zimbabwe. They are way ahead of us. That has to be the country with the most affluent people on the Earth.

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[VIDEODROME]

After the kinds of things we've spent money on like wars or bailouts for the auto industry and financial sector, is it that much of a stretch to create a bailout package for the people? I think even Ron Paul said that would make more sense to assist citizens directly than to save To Big To Fail businesses.

I'm interested in at least seeing him in the debates. I like how he raises concerns over automation, though I think the trucking part is a little exageratted.

[juleswin]

After much deliberation, I am withdrawing my support for Yang. At first, I was under the impression that this was a sort of tax credit scheme that would reduce the overall welfare payout by the govt. But the more he explains it(which hasn't really changed from when he started campaigning) the more it turns me off. It turns out that he plans implementing the VAT tax in the US along with increased corporate taxes to pay for his UBT.

Its a jumbled mess of increased taxes on everybody with increased benefits to most of the same people paying the taxes. As of this morning, I am getting out of the Yang gang.

[VIDEODROME]

Well, I thought that was his whole plan? I guess his justification is citizens are already 'monetized' by large firms harvesting our data so in a way he thinks we should get a dividend for providing value.

It's how he'll Tax The Robots as income tax would dwindle.

Aside from this, Andrew Yang should be more specific on his foreign policy.

[Anti Globalist]

During the fist Democratic debate, he said UBI was his #1 issue and the audience laughed at him.

[TheTexan]

Yes you have and Yang is not coming to end capitalism. He is just going to implement a smaller welfare state than you see in the Scandinavian countries. So if those countries are no socialist then the US wouldn't be socialist too. Some of his idea are similar to policies proposed by Milton Friedman.

Exactly, all Yang is proposing is creating a brand new 10% VAT on every transaction to fund free money for everyone.

Seems reasonable.

[TheTexan]

During the fist Democratic debate, he said UBI was his #1 issue and the audience laughed at him.

Free money is a great idea when you think about it. I mean, who doesn't like free money?