VP Pence slams Omar after she partially blames US for devastation in Venezuela

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This time VP Pence displaying bold leadership and standing up for our people.
MAGA has not tweeted about her other controversial comments reported in media earlier, but sometimes he tweet storms over weekend if busy on weekdays.

Omar partially blames US for devastation in Venezuela, drawing Pence's pushback

By Caroline Kelly, CNN
Updated 10:00 PM ET, Thu May 2, 2019


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Trump: No regrets about video attacking Rep. Omar 02:02

(CNN)Rep. Ilhan Omar, who has previously criticized American intervention in other countries (https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/18/politics/ilhan-omar-foreign-policy/index.html), argued this week that the United States was partly to blame for the devastation in Venezuela -- eliciting pushback Thursday from Vice President Mike Pence.

The freshman Minnesota Democrat's comments come as protests continue to rack Venezuela, with National Assembly and opposition leader Juan Guaido trying unsuccessfully to instigate a military uprising (https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/02/americas/venezuela-maduro-guaido-intl/index.html) against embattled President Nicolás Maduro on Wednesday. Maduro has repeatedly blamed attempts to overthrow him on the United States, with the White House recognizing Guaido as the country's interim president and looking for ways to support him economically (https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/02/politics/us-guaido-venezuela-money/index.html).
"A lot of the policies that we have put in place has kind of helped lead the devastation in Venezuela, and we've sort of set the stage for where we're arriving today," Omar said Wednesday on "Democracy Now (https://www.democracynow.org/2019/5/1/ilhan_omar_speaks_out_against_us)!," which airs on PBS. "This particular bullying and the use of sanctions to eventually intervene and make regime change really does not help the people of countries like Venezuela, and it certainly does not help and is not in the interest of the United States."

https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/02/politics/ilhan-omar-venezuela-blame/index.html

[RonZeplin]

Friday is the traditional Wahhabi day of worship, so probably no tweets from MAGA today.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/274/531/b89.gif

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Memes can be great but that gif in the small box crosses the line.

[juleswin]

Memes can be great but that gif in the small box crosses the line.

lol, you have made this joke 100s of times now but this one was especially funny because I missed the gif on first viewing. You are the king of sarcasm.

[oyarde]

I doubt she knows diddly squat about south america .

[oyarde]

When you kind of take the dems in as a whole you can see right away foreign policy will decline drastically to even worse positions if they take the white house , technically they are all retarded , that and judges alone should keep any sane person from ever voting for any of them . It is not enough for dems to take your money for abortions and food stamps in shitholes like chicago , detroit & philly they will want to expand it to other countries too .

[AZJoe]

So Pence is effectively arguing that all the neocon economic sanctions over the past decades plus intervention, economic warfare, threats, belligerence, regime change attempts, NED/NGO operations, and other black ops against Venezuelan economy - i.e. the entire interventionist policies of the neocons, Trump, Obama and Bush -- have been completely without effect on Venezuela and pointless.
Trump's neocon idiot Pence is effectively stating that the entire Trump and company, and predecessors' policies on Venezuela are and have been completely ineffective and pointless and therefore ought to be rejected and abandoned outright.

[RJB]

I agree with her about getting out of Venezuela.

However, socialist states fail on their own. It is not me (or anyone on this forum) meddling in the affairs of Venezuela. Importing millions of people who blame the failure on the socialist state of Venezuela on your average Joe is suicidal.

My solution, quit meddling overseas, and quit importing those who wish to initiate a socialist utopia in the USA.

[ATruepatriot]

When you kind of take the dems in as a whole you can see right away foreign policy will decline drastically to even worse positions if they take the white house , technically they are all retarded , that and judges alone should keep any sane person from ever voting for any of them . It is not enough for dems to take your money for abortions and food stamps in $#@!holes like chicago , detroit & philly they will want to expand it to other countries too .

I'm out of reps again man...

[Anti Globalist]

We definitely need to get out of Venezuela.

[juleswin]

I agree with her about getting out of Venezuela.

However, socialist states fail on their own. It is not me (or anyone on this forum) meddling in the affairs of Venezuela. Importing millions of people who blame the failure on the socialist state of Venezuela on your average Joe is suicidal.

My solution, quit meddling overseas, and quit importing those who wish to initiate a socialist utopia in the USA.

Seeing that every state that have ever existed has elements of socialism you are right that socialist states fail. The same way every human that drinks water die on their own.

[juleswin]

So Pence is effectively arguing that all the neocon economic sanctions over the past decades plus intervention, economic warfare, threats, belligerence, regime change attempts, NED/NGO operations, and other black ops against Venezuelan economy - i.e. the entire interventionist policies of the neocons, Trump, Obama and Bush -- have been completely without effect on Venezuela and pointless.
Trump's neocon idiot Pence is effectively stating that the entire Trump and company, and predecessors' policies on Venezuela are and have been completely ineffective and pointless and therefore ought to be rejected and abandoned outright.

Don't forget the freezing of their assets which was then stolen and given to Guido.

[juleswin]

I doubt she knows diddly squat about south america .

My guess is that you don't need to know much about South America to know what sanctions can do to a country. And how the hell do u know that shes doesn't know anything about South America? I know most of you guys don't think much about college education but she has a Bachelors in political science and International studies. I will say that at minimum, she know more than diddly squat about South America.

[oyarde]

I am sure the Dems have a nice plan to " fix " Venezuela .

[ATruepatriot]

I am sure the Dems have a nice plan to " fix " Venezuela .

They will be wanting to add them to the eligibility list for Universal Basic Income because money grows on trees don't you know...

[ATruepatriot]

Seeing that every state that have ever existed has elements of socialism you are right that socialist states fail. The same way every human that drinks water die on their own.

Have you ever read Marx?

[juleswin]

I am sure the Dems have a nice plan to " fix " Venezuela .

Sadly for most of us who have eyes, we can see that this so called fix is mainly coming from the republicans and the dems can't even pretend to oppose it. Even Bernie Sander is silent on this one, imagine that? the sole dem socialist in congress cannot come to their aid. But lets forget all the meddling by republicans and use simplistic one liners to point fingers at the dems cos it makes us feel better.

Very tragic

[juleswin]

Have you ever read Marx?

Nope but I have read The revolution by Ron Paul

[ATruepatriot]

Nope but I have read The revolution by Ron Paul

You need to read Marx, even Marx himself who wrote the very manifesto it's self explains that socialism always leads to communism. It is absolute required reading if you are to ever argue socialism. Marx wrote the book on it.

[juleswin]

You need to read Marx, even Marx himself who wrote the very manifesto it's self explains that socialism always leads to communism. It is absolute required reading if you are to ever argue socialism. Marx wrote the book on it.

I don't give a hoot about Marx, he doesn't possess the ultimate knowledge for everything communism and socialism. I have the power of observation and critical thinking. I can assessment of reality with those 2 tools.

I am going to ask u a couple of questions

Did we have more communist countries in the 60s than we have in the 2010s?
Do we have more socialistic countries(aka some mix of socialism) now than we had in the 60s?

If both answers are yes, then I find it hard to believe socialism always leads to communism. Could easily be that communism (and capitalism) finds its balance in socialism(mix of it)

[oyarde]

Sadly for most of us who have eyes, we can see that this so called fix is mainly coming from the republicans and the dems can't even pretend to oppose it. Even Bernie Sander is silent on this one, imagine that? the sole dem socialist in congress cannot come to their aid. But lets forget all the meddling by republicans and use simplistic one liners to point fingers at the dems cos it makes us feel better.

Very tragic

What GOP Senators are steering which venezula policies you oppose ? Personally I have no interest in it . I would not even consider it a particularly good place to trade with as I would be suspect of ever receiving payment .

[juleswin]

What GOP Senators are steering which venezula policies you oppose ? Personally I have no interest in it . I would not even consider it a particularly good place to trade with as I would be suspect of ever receiving payment .

Rick Scott, Marco Rubio for one have been pushing sanction policies and regime change policies to fix Venezuela. Also I have asked, how did you come to the conclusion that Ilham Omar knew diddly squat about South America? she just gave a correct assessment about the cause of the problems in Venezuela and you say this?

Good thing is that nobody is forcing you to care or trade with Venezuela, but just because YOU as an individual doesn't trust them enough to trade with them doesn't mean that there aren't millions of people who have no issue trading with them.

[oyarde]

Rick Scott, Marco Rubio for one have been pushing sanction policies and regime change policies to fix Venezuela. Also I have asked, how did you come to the conclusion that Ilham Omar knew diddly squat about South America? she just gave a correct assessment about the cause of the problems in Venezuela and you say this?

Good thing is that nobody is forcing you to care or trade with Venezuela, but just because YOU as an individual doesn't trust them enough to trade with them doesn't mean that there aren't millions of people who have no issue trading with them.

I believe in free trade . trade with whoever you like . Have you contacted Rubios office about these specific policies

[juleswin]

I believe in free trade . trade with whoever you like . Have you contacted Rubios office about these specific policies

I also believe in free trade just like George Washington when he said "Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations-entangling alliances with none.". Its doesn't matter if YOU as an individual care for or trust them which is why its confuses me why you bring it up at all.

I contacted Rubio and he told me to vote harder or petition harder. Not sure anymore cos I was so angry that I slammed the phone in his ear. Do u still think Omar knows diddly squat about South America?

[oyarde]

I changed my mind , I guess it would be interesting to hear he list what sanctions have done what harm to Venezuela . I doubt taxpayers in minnesota care but I would read it .

[oyarde]

Does anyone seriously think the US not selling weapons to , buying oil or govt backed securities from Venezuela is responsible for the current environment there ? I do not support sanctions but see these as of no effect . Sometimes you just have to accept that failure is going to fail.

[acptulsa]

Did we have more communist countries in the 60s than we have in the 2010s?
Do we have more socialistic countries(aka some mix of socialism) now than we had in the 60s?

If both answers are yes, then I find it hard to believe socialism always leads to communism.

Then perhaps you need to work on those powers of observation and critical thinking. Maybe it's time for you to answer two questions:

If a number of countries band together, they become larger but fewer in number. If these several were socialist, does history tell us that the one stays socialist, or does the impossibility of micromanaging a large and diverse society cause it to devolve into communism to maintain power?

I've seen a lot of communist states fail in my lifetime. Do you suppose their death rate could exceed their birth rate even if their birth rate is high?

There's two ways many socialist states could result in few communist states. No?

[juleswin]

I changed my mind , I guess it would be interesting to hear he list what sanctions have done what harm to Venezuela . I doubt taxpayers in minnesota care but I would read it .

Maybe a businessman or woman who is also a tax payer living in Minnesota would like to engage in trade with Venezuelans. Her knowledge of said sanctions would be valuable knowledge to have. Regardless, many reps are talking about Venezuela so lets not single her out for doing something many of the other reps are doing.

[oyarde]

Ya , I am not thinking there is any knowledge and remain firm in the camp of diddly squat . I will move on to something better.

[juleswin]

Then perhaps you need to work on those powers of observation and critical thinking. Maybe it's time for you to answer two questions:

If a number of countries band together, they become larger but fewer in number. If these several were socialist, does history tell us that the one stays socialist, or does the impossibility of micromanaging a large and diverse society cause it to devolve into communism to maintain power?

I've seen a lot of communist states fail in my lifetime. Do you suppose their death rate could exceed their birth rate even if their birth rate is high?

There's two ways many socialist states could result in few communist states. No?

Please rephrase the 1st question, I am having a hard time figuring out how to answer. Please avoid the pronouns, I wanna know exactly who you are talking about

To the 2nd question, I would imagine the birth rate of communist countries should be far greater than the death rate of communist countries especially seeing how many socialist type economies we have today.

[ATruepatriot]

I don't give a hoot about Marx, he doesn't possess the ultimate knowledge for everything communism and socialism. I have the power of observation and critical thinking. I can assessment of reality with those 2 tools.

I am going to ask u a couple of questions

Did we have more communist countries in the 60s than we have in the 2010s?
Do we have more socialistic countries(aka some mix of socialism) now than we had in the 60s?

If both answers are yes, then I find it hard to believe socialism always leads to communism. Could easily be that communism (and capitalism) finds its balance in socialism(mix of it)

You can't even claim to have a clue what the differences between Capitalism, Socialism, and Communism are until you have read Marx. He is the world educational reference standard for these ideals. For you to judge the colors yourself you first must know what the colors truly are.

[juleswin]

Ya , I am not thinking there is any knowledge and remain firm in the camp of diddly squat . I will move on to something better.

That is a good idea.

[acptulsa]

Please rephrase the 1st question...

My pleasure.

Since the 1960s the USSR failed spectacularly and splintered. If even two of these splinter states retain a measure of socialism, then your total number if socialistic states rises, and this allows you to use the total, abject failure of the USSR as a metric of communism's success.

Why should we buy this bull?

[RJB]

Seeing that every state that have ever existed has elements of socialism you are right that socialist states fail. The same way every human that drinks water die on their own.

Then maybe the left is correct. Other countries failing is the fault of suburban redneck white Christian heterosexual conservative males and we owe the world a living because of our privilege. I know that isn't necessarily your opinion, but that is what the MSM keeps telling us and I worry about a coming backlash.

[juleswin]

My pleasure.

Since the 1960s the USSR failed spectacularly and splintered. If even two of these splinter states retain a measure of socialism, then your total number if socialistic states rises, and this allows you to use the total, abject failure of the USSR as a metric of communism's success.

Why should we buy this bull?

Yes, you are right. The fall of USSR helps my case to prove that socialist is not predestined to go towards communism. The fall of USSR is my evidence that some degree of socialism is the terminal to communism and not vice versa. I think the USSR ended in 1990, now how many of the formerly socialistic USSR countries have reverted back to communism? the answer is zero.

My point exactly

[juleswin]

Then maybe the left is correct. Other countries failing is the fault of suburban redneck white Christian heterosexual conservative males and we owe the world a living because of our privilege. I know that isn't necessarily your opinion, but that is what the MSM keeps telling us and I worry about a coming backlash.

The left is right, you owe the world a living paycheque. Now when the collection time comes, I will know exactly where to find you. You will be the only redneck still living in the suburbs :)

Jokes aside, I do not support scapegoating white people. A lot of the things some of these extreme leftists say make me cringe. I wanna get along with everyone, wouldn't force anyone to associate with me and most importantly would do anything I can to avoid this race war which everyone thinks is coming.

[ATruepatriot]

Yes, you are right. The fall of USSR helps my case to prove that socialist is not predestined to go towards communism. The fall of USSR is my evidence that some degree of socialism is the terminal to communism and not vice versa. I think the USSR ended in 1990, now how many of the formerly socialistic USSR countries have reverted back to communism? the answer is zero.

My point exactly

Do you have some idea that a communist country is honest enough to actually admit they are a communist country? Not even by title.

[juleswin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrruMKafbMk

[acptulsa]

Do you have some idea that a communist country is honest enough to actually admit they are a communist country? Not even by title.

https://ww2db.com/images/ship_alaska9.jpg

This is the U.S.S. Alaska, designation CB-1. That does not stand for Cruiser, Battle. It is a class B Super Heavy Cruiser.

You see, back in WWI the British invented the battlecruiser to hunt down cruisers. In this they were very succssful, hunting down the Scharnhorst and Gneisenau, armored cruisers that were making a nuisance of themselves in the south Pacific.

Battlecruisers were now a raging success. The Brits decided to use them to do scouting work for the Grand Fleet in place of light cruisers, which were nimble, and small targets. The battlecruisers were cruiser-fast, but neither nimble nor a small target. When they encountered enemy battleships they got sunk.

Now battle cruisers were discredited. The Brits kept three and the Japanese kept four. Why not? They were built. Andboth the Japanese and the British had success hunting cruisers with them in WWII. But when the HMS Hood encountered the Bismarck it was over fast. The I.J.N Kirishima didn't last much longer under the guns of the USS Washington.

The Pacific was an air war. The Iowa class of battleships were wonderful because they did 32 knots and carried nearly half a dozen kinds of antiaircraft guns, and could sink any enemy that got close with nine sixteen-inch guns. They were just the thing to escort vital aircraft carriers. But they were godawful expensive to build and operate.

Thus during the shipbuilding frenzy they built Large Cruisers. They had nine sufficiently deadly twelve-inch guns and a thick batch of AA. They escorted aircraft carriers and did it well. But even though they had battleship guns and cruiser armor like every other battlecruiser ever built, they were not battlecruisers.

Well, that's a harmless enough little fiction, right? Except there's a price to be paid for lying to yourself. Cruisers in the United States Navy in WWII had one rudder. So the Cruiser Class B Super Heavy had one rudder. All eight hundred plus feet of her. It couldn't even maneuver with a heavy carrier. Otherwise they were perfect.

They were retired early because they weren't discredited battle cruisers. That was their fatal design flaw.

No, nothing's communist but Cuba, North Korea and China any more, and China has developed a whole new evolution of communism that Marx would never recognize.

The disease mutates, and tries to redefine itself. It's still micromismanagement, and it doesn't work in a large scale. That's why the Tenth Amendment exists.

[ATruepatriot]

https://ww2db.com/images/ship_alaska9.jpg

This is the U.S.S. Alaska, designation CB-1. That does not stand for Cruiser, Battle. It is a class B Super Heavy Cruiser.

You see, back in WWI the British invented the battlecruiser to hunt down cruisers. In this they were very succssful, hunting down the Scharnhorst and Gneisenau, armored cruisers that were making a nuisance of themselves in the south Pacific.

Battlecruisers were now a raging success. The Brits decided to do scouting work for the Grand Fleet in place of light cruisers, which were nimble, and small targets. The battlecruisers were cruiser-fast, but neither nimble nor a small target. When they encountered enemy battleships they got sunk.

Now battle cruisers were discredited. The Brits kept three and the Japanese kept four. Why not? They were built. And the British had success hunting cruisers with them in WWII. But when the HMS Hood encountered the Bismarck it was over fast.

The Pacific was an air war. The Iowa class of battleships were wonderful because they did 32 knots and carried nearly half a dozen kinds of antiaircraft guns, and could sink any enemy that got close with nine sixteen-inch guns. They were just the thing to escort vital aircraft carriers. But they were godawful expensive to build and operate.

Thus during the shipbuilding frenzy they built Large Cruisers. They had nine sufficiently deadly twelve-inch guns and a thick batch of AA. They escorted aircraft carriers and did it well. But even though they had battleship guns and cruiser armor like every other battlecruiser ever built, they were not battlecruisers.

Well, that's a harmless enough little fiction, right? Except there's a price to be paid for lying to yourself. Cruisers in the United States Navy in WWII had one rudder. So the Cruiser Class B Super Heavy had one rudder. All eight hundred plus feet of her. It couldn't even maneuver with a heavy carrier. Otherwise they were perfect.

They were retired early because they weren't discredited battle cruisers. That was their fatal design flaw.

No, nothing's communist but Cuba, North Korea and China any more, and China has developed a whole new evolution of communism that Marx would never recognize.

The disease mutates, and tries to redefine itself. It's still micromismanagement, and it doesn't work in a large scale. That's why the Tenth Amendment exists.

I absolutely understand and agree, I have been thinking for two days what this new Hybrid could actually be classified as. There is a metamorphosis happening, but it only makes it a different flavor of the same brand Popsicle.

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lol, you have made this joke 100s of times now but this one was especially funny because I missed the gif on first viewing. You are the king of sarcasm.

That gif disrespected a sitting leader by suggesting that he was enabler of nefarious violent groups that we are supposed to be fighting in order to end our interventions abroad.




"A lot of the policies that we have put in place has kind of helped lead the devastation in Venezuela, and we've sort of set the stage for where we're arriving today," Omar said Wednesday on "Democracy Now (https://www.democracynow.org/2019/5/1/ilhan_omar_speaks_out_against_us)!," which airs on PBS. "This particular bullying and the use of sanctions to eventually intervene and make regime change really does not help the people of countries like Venezuela, and it certainly does not help and is not in the interest of the United States."


I doubt she knows diddly squat about south america .


When you kind of take the dems in as a whole you can see right away foreign policy will decline drastically to even worse positions if they take the white house , technically they are all retarded , that and judges alone should keep any sane person from ever voting for any of them . It is not enough for dems to take your money for abortions and food stamps in $#@!holes like chicago , detroit & philly they will want to expand it to other countries too .



Well you don't have to know all inside details of a foreign place like Venez (or Iraq or Syria for that matter) to speak against neocons elective foreign interventionist adventures. Southern border is already flooded with refugees, hundreds of military cooks sent there to cook food for arriving migrants may not be enough.
She's a rookie congress woman but she already seems to know more about interventions than Pence and many Republicans and Dems.

Dems - Party of big gummit, GOP- Party of small minds ? (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?534111-Dems-Party-of-big-gummit-GOP-Party-of-small-minds&)
Iraq War: Biggest Blunedr in US History
Iraq War Resolution
United States House of Representatives. 215 (96.4%) of 223 Republican Representatives voted for the resolution. 82 (39.2%) of 209 Democratic Representatives voted for the resolution.

Rep. Pence on why he supports the use of force in Iraq (https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4611117/pence-iraq-war)



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