so has anyone yet heard at least one reasonable anti-Ron Paul rebuttal?

[Akus]

:o

[xexkxex]

I heard that he sometimes talks with his mouth full....I saw it in a YouTube video :D

[10thAmendmentMan]

Yes, from people who personally are afraid of freedom and don't think that they're capable of making decisions for themselves. :)

[justinc.1089]

Yeah like maybe I want a fascist government or something

[vinwal]

.........crickets chirping...........:p

[scubasteve01]

If we leave the middle east completely there's a possibility of attacks between countries. Granted Israel can defend itself, but how can we be sure that we have a strong and steady oil supply?

[granato]

A lot of my liberal friends fear that a Ron Paul presidency means corporations will take over the world. This of course is a failure to realize two things: the current governmental system encourages this type of large corporation domination and the government in the wrong hands IS the biggest corporation.

[celticsman7]

My brother said he heard Ron Paul was a porn star.

[brandon]

There is no modern day free market economy to use as a model. We don't know if a free market would really work out as good as it sounds in theory.

[chipvogel]

just personal attacks....yet to hear an argument or facts

[ItsTime]

blackout is the most reasonable/expected response that is why we NEED Operation Front Door, see my sig!

[RoamZero]

The most valid arguments I've seen were based mainly on idealogy (e.g. socialism). The other argument that I sort of see is that Paul seems to brush off the whole "Islamo-fascism" aspect in understanding terrorism. He does this mostly rightfully and I feel he is correct that the primary reason they go out of their way to attack us is because of our dealings over there, but the Islamic aspect of it is also still there in my opinion, in the sense that is seems to be the primary uniter and recruitment tool.

[shepburn]

that we've become too dependant to actual handle freedom properly.

[JeffersonThomas]

The only near plausable argument I've heard from anybody came from my roommate who is studying accounting. "Do you know how much harder it will be for me to get a job with no IRS?" His argument though obviously won't apply to everybody. I admit though that if I were him I would probably have a hard time voting for Ron Paul as well since he's already pursuing his CPA.

[Goldwater Conservative]

The only near plausable argument I've heard from anybody came from my roommate who is studying accounting. "Do you know how much harder it will be for me to get a job with no IRS?" His argument though obviously won't apply to everybody. I admit though that if I were him I would probably have a hard time voting for Ron Paul as well since he's already pursuing his CPA.

"Fuck the American people, it's all about me and the job that I want."

Anyway, most criticisms of Paul's domestic policy can be simply answered with "federalism."

[angrydragon]

There is no modern day free market economy to use as a model. We don't know if a free market would really work out as good as it sounds in theory.

Hong Kong.

[bbartlog]

Well, like many supporters, I have specific areas where I disagree with Paul. So if you mean 'have you encountered a good rebuttal of a specific position', well sure - I just have to look in the mirror! But if you mean a rebuttal of the overall message, uh... no, there is no convincing argument against human liberty. And Paul's spotless personal character and ethics are just armor plating for that message of freedom.

[brandon]

Hong Kong.

They are ranked as having the most free market in the world, but it is not 100% free. There is still government intervention.




"Even though Hong Kong is said to be a good example of laissez-faire capitalism, there are still many ways in which the government is involved in the economy. The government has intervened to create economic institutions such as the Hong Kong Stock Market and has been involved in public works projects and extensive social welfare spending. All land in Hong Kong is owned by the government and leased to private users. By restricting the sale of land leases, the Hong Kong government keeps the price of land at what some would say are artificially high prices and this allows the government to support public spending with a low tax rate. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Hong_Kong

[JaylieWoW]

just personal attacks....yet to hear an argument or facts

Ditto.

[xexkxex]

I heard that he sometimes talks with his mouth full....I saw it in a YouTube video :D

Found It! :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heaVKmBZp0s

:D

[Paul.Bearer.of.Injustice]

He won't get anything done since Congress will not be with him.
That's still better than doing something that's harmful

[dcatman]

My Dad says

"Kind of scary when one has anything about their political beliefs with which the wacko, Liberal, antiwar Left would agree. "

[lucius]

He's taller than Pol Pot but so is sHillary.

[dukker]

Climate change.

Paul's position:
- 'The science is still being debated'.
Look, I'm not a scientist. Ron Paul is not a scientist and I doubt anyone here is, but if you are looking at the academic zeitgeist, the climate change skeptics seem to be the ones at the fringes. I am a skeptic all my life, but given I have personally done nothing to discover what the deal is, its only logical thing to do is base my opinions on the world's top scientists and the scientific community.

I personally liked the arguments of two of the candidate's last night - I can't remember which it was, I think one was huckabee. This has also been my position for a long time.

Basically, what if the climate change agenda is pushed nationally and globally? We might sacrifice what? a few percentage points of GDP growth investing in more expensive green technology.

If climate change is real then it was all worth it, we've saved the only planet we've got.
If climate change is not real, then all we've done is 'wasted' taxpayer money, but ended up with greener technology and infrastructure for our children. Big deal.

The sacrifice to curb emissions does not seem like much. But the benefit to being right about it is huge. The cost of being wrong (i.e. climate change not true) is only marginal.


Paul's position:
The best way to solve environmental problems is to respect property rights. I agree with this to the extent of the libertarian rivers argument. I cannot pollute your river, I cannot pollute your land. If a factory opens next to a town and its fumes make everyone sick, property rights would dictate the factory compensate for damages.

But how can this argument extend to emissions? If BHP in Australia produces X emmissions and contributes X% to the causation of hurricane katrina through destabilisation of weather cycles, how can the victims be compensated? We know there is a link between human activity, and the damage caused by the environment, but it is impossible to isolate that link and thus enforce property rights.

I personally think the market can solve the global warming problem best, not centralised planning, but market interfernce is still required. The most effective way is to introduce tradable emission permits.

[OptionsTrader]

so has anyone yet heard at least one reasonable anti-Ron Paul rebuttal?

My father in law says the people are not smart enough to vote for him.

Only rebuttal out there that has merit.

[Luther]

Not one that couldn't be easily refuted.

[Luther]

My father in law says the people are not smart enough to vote for him.

Only rebuttal out there that has merit.


I wouldn't classify that as an anti-Ron Paul rebuttal.



"The people get the government they deserve."

[Uggamugg]

This is not reasonable but it's The Classic argument:

He has no chance.

Which is very illogical but they seem to be amused in regurgitating something the media "informed" them on.

or

How many bills has he passed in Congress? (Asked when I pointed out that Hilliary had a poor performance as far as legislations passed that is not pork barrel projects)

I then informed them that it's his agenda/position to keep federal gov't out of people's life as much as possible. I did mention American Freedom Agenda though. I think he was confused as to how a politician can have principles.

[angrydragon]

Lies I've heard, Ron Paul being a priest, is a racist, supports child-molesters, wants to cut everything, doesn't care about old people...

[Chester Copperpot]

Lies I've heard, Ron Paul being a priest, is a racist, supports child-molesters, wants to cut everything, doesn't care about old people...

YEs Ive heard all of them too (except him being a priest) and Ive rebutted them all as well.. Took 4 months for a friggin far left socialist to finally admit.. "Well, okay I guess hes not a racist."


I dont waste alot of time on those people.

[mathamagician]

There is no practical way to shrink the government enough in 4 years such that we wouldn't need revenue from the income tax

[greves]

Well, my biggest problem is that he's a 9/11 Conspiracy Theorist. When someone asked him about it, he responded: "hmmm."

[1town]

Well, my biggest problem is that he's a 9/11 Conspiracy Theorist. When someone asked him about it, he responded: "hmmm."

When he was asked, he said NO.