Sanders supporters vow to support Trump if Bernie isn’t the nominee

[Swordsmyth]

“Bernie or bust” is their rallying cry, and many supporters of socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., say they will vote for President Trump if their candidate is denied the Democratic nomination a second time.
After the 2016 election, the Cooperative Congressional Election Study (https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/545812242/1-in-10-sanders-primary-voters-ended-up-supporting-trump-survey-finds) found about 12% of those who voted for Sanders in the Democratic primaries voted for Trump in the general election. There are early signs that Sanders fervor is so strong that this could double in 2020, a development that could hand the White House to Trump for a second term.
An Emerson College poll (https://emersonpolling.reportablenews.com/pr/april-national-poll-bernie-takes-lead-for-democratic-nomination-mayor-pete-on-the-move) this month showed 26% of those who support Sanders in the Democratic primaries and caucuses would support Trump over Sen. Elizabeth Warren, D-Mass., despite their overlapping policy positions.

The Sanders-to-Trump inclination stems in part from the belief that the Democratic National Committee “cheated” Sanders in the bitter 2016 primary with the superdelegate system and Democratic staff bias in favor of eventual nominee Hillary Clinton. Concern over establishment control of the nomination process and other aspects of the campaign season persist among Sanders loyalists.
[Related: Sanders to supporters: Average donations aren't high enough (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/bernie-sanders-to-supporters-average-donations-arent-high-enough)]
“If they cheat again, I have told people I will vote for Trump,” Pennsylvania resident and Sanders supporter Keith Ward, 58, told the Washington Examiner. “Not because I like him, but because if this country is going down a slippery slope, they have no one to blame but themselves ... [no] matter how much damage I believe Trump is doing.”
Ward voted for Sanders in the 2016 Democratic primary and for Green Party candidate Jill Stein in the general election. “I felt I had no choice,” he said, adding that he felt his 2016 vote would send a message. “I'm just not sure the [Democratic] Party heard it.”
Another Sanders supporter expressed a similar sentiment: “If the DNC screws him again, like it's already looking they will, I'll stay home on voting day. Hell, I may vote for Trump just to make sure their candidate loses.”

More at: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/bernie-or-bust-the-sanders-supporters-who-will-back-trump-if-their-man-isnt-democratic-nominee

[Schifference]

I remember many liberals vowing to leave the country if Bush were elected. Then the same thing if Trump were elected. Please just pack up and go. Leave you chit for the open border immigrants to have.

[Schifference]

This makes total sense. Support a socialist or his nemesis.

[CCTelander]

I guess if they can't have the international socialist (communist) that they really want, a national socialist is the next best thing? Makes about as much sense as anything else in post Trump AmeriKa.

[ATruepatriot]

This makes total sense. Support a socialist or his nemesis.

Yep... Insanity. They are all compulsive liars. They are trying to ride herd over the other democrat candidates and scare them. In the end they won't vote for Trump. :)

[ProBlue33]

Actually on another forum there many ex-Bernie supporters, they were in two camps they never voted at all or voted for Trump out of pure spite.
Here is the the point, some not all have been lost for good,they went over to Trump and they have no reason to go back, the chatter is maybe for Gabbard but she is the only one they even consider going over for. If the DNC is smart their supers need to hold fire or risk alienating another huge block of voters, something tells me they won't.
Biden will get some, he has deep ties with the DNC.

[timosman]

How old is Bernie going to be in 2021? :confused:

[Anti Federalist]

LOL - No One But Sanders.

Where have I heard something like that before.

'Course, they'll have better luck with it...freedom not being popular at all anymore.

[oyarde]

LOL - No One But Sanders.

Where have I heard something like that before.

'Course, they'll have better luck with it...freedom not being popular at all anymore.
I think they view it as freedom for them just not you . Freedom from paying their bills . They want you to pay them instead
This is about as close to freedom a free loading sanders supporter is willing to get , freedom to have AF & Dankes monies to buy what they feel they should have . They know biden is not going to give them anything but a hard on and a smile .

[ATruepatriot]

I think they view it as freedom for them just not you . Freedom from paying their bills . They want you to pay them instead
This is about as close to freedom a free loading sanders supporter is willing to get , freedom to have AF & Dankes monies to buy what they feel they should have . They know biden is not going to give them anything but a hard on and a smile .

Yep... My adult children know a few Bernie supporters and they hate them, While my kids are working their asses off to get by these supporters do everything they can to get free shit.

[timosman]

Yep... My adult children know a few Bernie supporters and they hate them, While my kids are working their asses off to get by these supporters do everything they can to get free shit.

Street smart, def - being able to get free shit.

[Anti Globalist]

Sounds like the Bernie supporters are aware hes going to get cheated again.

[oyarde]

Sounds like the Bernie supporters are aware hes going to get cheated again.

I dunno , he might get it this time , the DNC will push biden but I do not see him getting anywhere near as many votes as hillary got in most of those states

[Anti Globalist]

I dunno , he might get it this time , the DNC will push biden but I do not see him getting anywhere near as many votes as hillary got in most of those states
Maybe, but Biden is more likeable than Hillary. Plus hes got a much cleaner record than her even though it isn't saying much.

[ATruepatriot]

Maybe, but Biden is more likeable than Hillary.

A Trump/Biden debate should be fun. Sorry Mr Biden, I know you probably wanted to get out more than three words but your times up again. lol

[TheCount]

Sounds legit #walkaway #blexit #redtsunami

[enhanced_deficit]

Although Bernie had been accused of being 'fake opposition' during last elections, on issues like socialism healthcare, muscular foreign policy, national debt, big gov spending etc, him and MAGA probably could be substituted. Both are also strong supporters of our closest ally, not clear if MAGA's leftwing neocon funders in the past used to fund Bernie like they funded various other democrats.


Top-neocon says Trump's ‘most pro-Israel president ever’ (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?531152-Top-neocon-reverses-course-says-Trump-s-‘most-pro-Israel-president-ever’&)


Sen. Sanders: I am 100% pro-Israel, but ...



12 Ways Bernie Sanders Is a Pro-Establishment, pro-Israel, Warmonger - He's Part of the Problem, Not the Solution

10 months ago





He voted in favor of use of force (euphemism for bombing) 12 sovereign nations that never represented a threat to the U.S.:



Afghanistan.
Lebanon.
Libya.
Palestine.
Somalia
Syria.
Yemen.
Yugoslavia
Haiti
Liberia
Zaire (Congo)
Sudan



He has accepted campaign money from Defense contractor Raytheon, a defense contractor, he continues his undying support of the $1.5 trillion F-35 industry and said that predator drones “have done some very good things”. Sanders has always voted in favor of awarding more corporate welfare for the military industrial complex – and even if he says he’s against a particular war he ends up voting in favor of funding it.

https://steemitimages.com/640x0/https://russia-insider.com/sites/insider/files/styles/1200xauto/public/151006101310-boston-students-justice-palestine-bernie-sanders-large-169.jpg?itok=H2-9KuIC


He routinely backs appropriations for imperial wars, the corporate scam of Obamacare, wholesale surveillance and bloated defense budgets. He loves to bluster about corporate welfare and big banks but he voted for funding the Commodity Futures “Modernization” Act which deregulated commercial banks and created an “unregulated market in derivatives and swaps” which was the major contributor to the 2007 economic crisis.
Regardless of calling himself an “independent”, Sanders is a member of the Democratic caucus and votes 98% of the time with the Democrats and votes in the exact same way as war criminal Hillary Clinton 93% of the time. Sanders campaigned for Bill Clinton in the 1992 presidential race and again in 1996—after Clinton had rammed through the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), vastly expanded the system of mass incarceration and destroyed welfare.

https://steemitimages.com/640x0/https://russia-insider.com/sites/insider/files/styles/1200xauto/public/main/2018-Jun-28/image00.png?itok=znzUp6NG


The sheepdog is a card the Democratic Party plays when there’s no White House Democrat running for re-election. The sheepdog is a presidential candidate running ostensibly to the left of the establishment Democrat to whom the billionaires will award the nomination. Sheepdogs are herders,…. charged with herding activists and voters back into the Democratic fold who might otherwise drift leftward and outside of the Democratic Party, either staying home. In 2004 he called on Ralph Nader to abandon his presidential campaign.

The Democratic Party has played this “sheep dog” card at least 7-8 times in the past utilizing collaborators such as Eugene McCarthy in 1968, Jesse Jackson in 1984 and 1988, Jerry Brown in 1992, Al Sharpton in 2000, Howard Dean in 2004, Dennis Kucinich in 2008 and in 2016 was Bernie Sanders’ turn.


Regardless of calling himself a “socialist” he labeled the late Hugo Chávez, architect of the Bolivarian Revolution in Venezuela responsible for lifting millions of lives out of poverty “a dead communist dictator.” Then he saddled up for a photo op with Evo Morales at the Vatican and also voted to extradite former Black Panther member, Assata Shakur.
He refers to ISIS’ godfather and warmonger extraordinaire John McCain as “my friend and a very, very decent person.”
He routinely parrots the DNC lines: “the Russians hacked our elections” despite there is no evidence of such hacking, but lowered his head and tucked tail when the DNC actually rigged the primary elections against him, proving he is more loyal to the Democratic (war) Party than to the millions of people who supported him and donated to his fraudulent campaign.
He expressed staunch support for the aid of violently right-wing separatist forces such as the self-styled Kosovo Liberation Army, whose members were trained as Mujahideen, during Clinton’s 100-day bombing of Yugoslavia and Kosovo in 1999. He has an extensive record of supporting jihadist proxies for the overthrow of sovereign governments in Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria.
He supported Bill Clinton’s sanctions against Iraq, sanctions that prohibited medicines for infants and children…more than 500,000 innocents killed for no other reason than that they were Iraqi.







There are some troubling political movements also gathering steam under the radars, hopefully we won't see a Weld-Biden race in 2020. But from early signs, it's not too unprobable that both Bernie and GOP-Adelson neocon wing might not be in 2020 race.

[goldenequity]

moved

[UWDude]

Sounds like the Bernie supporters are aware hes going to get cheated again.

Yeah, but it's going to be really close again. DNC chosen will edge just by a hair.

So divided. :(

[UWDude]

Maybe, but Biden is more likeable than Hillary. Plus hes got a much cleaner record than her even though it isn't saying much.

Joe Biden has absolutely no chance.
He smells childrens hair.

[Swordsmyth]

The decision by the Democratic National Committee to bring in a man who has questioned whether presidential candidate Bernie Sanders is "dangerous to the future of the Democratic Party" has some questioning whether the party will be able to maintain neutrality in 2020.
The DNC's new finance chair Chris Korge, a longtime Florida lobbyist, was a major supporter of failed presidential candidate Hillary Clinton in 2016, and he has already given $2,700 (http://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/fecimg/?201904159146209311) this cycle to Kamala Harris's presidential campaign. On Twitter, he has made clear that he hasn't gotten over the party's struggle with Sanders in 2016, even retweeting a user urging him to stay out of the 2020 race, according to a Huffington Post report (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/chris-korge-dnc-finance-chair-affirms-neutrality-amid-bernie-sanders-allies-concerns_n_5cded67ee4b00735a91608a5?ncid=engmodush pmg00000004).


Larry Cohen, a union leader and Sanders supporter who is also a DNC member, told the Huffington Post, "The nomination of Chris to be finance chair is concerning. Before the election, I’m sure that we will profess total neutrality in terms of the nominating process and in some ways walk back the comments he’s made about Bernie Sanders." Among Korge's anti-Sanders social media posts identified by the Huffington Post was one saying Sanders would have to raise taxes to pay for his policies.
"The only Bern the middle class will feel from Bernie is the pain from all the tax increases," Korge wrote while attending one of the 2016 Clinton-Sanders primary debates.
Korge also criticized Sanders for being "weak on guns for political purpose."
The DNC went to great lengths to convince Sanders to sign a loyalty pledge (https://www.npr.org/2019/03/05/700524861/bernie-sanders-signs-democratic-party-loyalty-pledge-for-2020-run) earlier this year, making him vow not to run as a third-party candidate if he were to lose the primary. In return it made changes (https://www.npr.org/2018/06/27/623913044/dnc-officials-vote-to-scale-back-role-of-superdelegates-in-presidential-nominati) urged by Sanders, such as minimizing the role of superdelegates in the nomination process.

More at: https://freebeacon.com/politics/after-making-bernie-sign-loyalty-pledge-dnc-hires-anti-bernie-finance-chair/


Related:


Packed Primary May Let Superdelegates Screw Progressives Again (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?533370-Packed-Primary-May-Let-Superdelegates-Screw-Progressives-Again&highlight=superdelegates)

[Pauls' Revere]

This makes total sense. Support a socialist or his nemesis.

Makes sense to me. As a protest vote against your own party. I've voted third party because both the GOP & Dems suck.

[enhanced_deficit]

Sanders supporters vow to support Trump if Bernie isn’t the nominee (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?533827-Sanders-supporters-vow-to-support-Trump-if-Bernie-isn%92t-the-nominee&p=6799725&viewfull=1#post6799725)
Extremist conservative mole Steve Bannon even used to call current senior MAGA White House leadership "democrats", fortunately he has been kicked out and put in his place.



Related

How did Bolsheviks manage to take over control of GOP? (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?534157-How-did-Bolsheviks-manage-to-take-over-control-of-GOP&)




Conceding that top leadership of GOP-Adelson wing used to be left wing Dems not too long ago, it is not clear if that is a large factor for GOP's move left. Part of it could be just due to passage of time.


https://cmgpbppostonpolitics.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/daily-news-trump-tax.jpghttp://kerbcraft.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/donald-trump-health-care-quote-outstanding-donald-trump-health-care-quote-extraordinary-david-brooks-quote-of-donald-trump-health-care-quote-150x150.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsOlXidHXRE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsOlXidHXRE

"As he (Trump) launched his campaign, the conservative National Review reported (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/420093/presidential-candidate-donald-trump-double-agent-for-left) that he was a registered Democrat from 2001 to 2009 and praised a Canadian-style universal health care system. Party affiliation in the United States is usually changed by ticking a box while registering to vote and doesn't imply any financial contribution. However Trump has also shown a willingness to contribute considerable sums to Democratic causes (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/420435/donald-trump-hasnt-voted-last-six-presidential-primaries-jillian-kay-melchior) - including Hillary Clinton's campaign for Senate in 2002."



It's actually very simple. Instead of running as a Democrat, he is running GOP, so he must attack the Democrats. Some of his kids didn't get the memo though.

https://i.imgur.com/UQXQE0k.jpg


People have ability to change, democrats can become conservative Republicans sometimes.
Don't understand why some conservative purists keep calling them Democrats even now.




For some of Berners it may make sense though to keep it in the 'liberal Democrat values family' sort of . Biden may offer lip service but his commitment to our closest ally is doubtful but in case of MAGA there is no doubt that he'll stand with our closest ally. Heaven forbid if Deep Stage managed to derail MAGA 2020 run, Berners 3rd choice probably would be Cory Booker.. another solid supporter of our closest ally and brings pretty much same liberal social democrat values to the table as Bernie and GOP-Jarvanka wing.



Trump to host fundraiser for Booker (https://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/ivanka-trump-fundraiser-cory-booker-094288)

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/09/23/article-2429926-18340D7100000578-401_634x403.jpg






http://www.ronpaulforums.com/images/icons/icon13.png Shock Claim: Bernie Sanders Is a Pro-Establishment Warmonger (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?533849-Shock-Claim-Bernie-Sanders-Is-a-Pro-Establishment-Warmonger&)


Top Trump donor is pro-choice, self-described 'social liberal'
LAS VEGAS – The most influential donor in the Republican Party is a self-described “social liberal” who supports abortion-on-demand and “cradle-to-grave” national health care.

Meet the wealthy donor who's trying to get Republicans to support gay marriage
washingtonpost
Apr 4, 2014 - It especially fits with his role as one of the foremost backers of LGBT .... Like fellow Republican donor Sheldon Adelson, Singer is staunchly ...


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Trump top donor Sheldon Adelson-Funded Paper Israel Hayom Prints Gay Dad Ad
Sep 22, 2016
https://forward.com/news/israel/3504...with-gay-dads/ (https://forward.com/news/israel/350486/israels-right-wing-paper-features-ad-with-gay-dads/)

[acptulsa]

If Republicans would hold their party to any kind of standard whatsoever, the nation would be a better place.

But no. Team players expect the whole country to take one for the team, and like it.

[Superfluous Man]

By the same token, many Trump supporters (e.g. Ann Coulter) would vote for Sanders rather than stomach a small-government conservative Republican who doesn't share their views on trade, immigration, the gay agenda, and single-payer healthcare, like Sanders does, or even abandon Trump if he doesn't prove to be committed enough to the progressive big-government agenda on those issues.

Also, this overlap between Trump and Sanders supporters is nothing new. It was the case in 2016 as well, and Trump was very open about how close he was to Sanders ideologically.
https://www.cnn.com/2016/04/29/politics/donald-trump-bernie-sanders/index.html
https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-trump-2016-election-654320

[enhanced_deficit]

Sanders supporters vow to support Trump if Bernie isn’t the nominee


Washexamin is not an ultra neocon outlet.
But conversly:


Would Trump supporters vow to support Sanders if Trump isn’t the nominee ?



Granted this is very unlikely scenario at this point but some contingent quid pro quo arrangement should be made if they're serious about playing politics. Like Sanders, would MAGA pledge to 'soak the rich' in next term and take bold action on DACA/Climate change etc?

[Swordsmyth]

Bernie Sanders says 2016 was rigged, and won’t commit to supporting the Democratic nominee this time for that reason (http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/06/bernie-sanders-2016-rigged-wont-pledge-support-winner.html)

[enhanced_deficit]

Looking at latest polls, it appears some voters from Biden and Trump could be swinging back towards Sanders.
Bernie is becoming a rising star of Dems again and could pose a threat in 2020 to well funded DemocratBiden as well as GOPA wing neocons funded politicians who identify as Republicans these days.

[enhanced_deficit]

This prbably won't raise pressure on GOPA wing donors to further escalate Iran sanctions/military tensions in Iraq.

Sanders tells New York Times he would consider a preemptive strike against Iran or North Korea (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?543872-Sanders-tells-New-York-Times-he-would-consider-a-preemptive-strike-against-Iran-or-North-Korea&)




Also Trump and Bernie don't seem to see eye to eye on gun control, USMCA, DACA, LGBTQ civil rights, Likudnites/Adelson, Soros and supporting are closest allies in mideast.

[enhanced_deficit]

Socilaism debate has a taken an unusual turn.


Colorado governor labels Trump 'socialist' over 'corporate bailouts' during coronavirus

By Alicia Cohn - 03/20/20 05:06 PM EDT

Colorado Gov. Jared Polis (D) on Friday slammed President Trump as a "socialist," suggesting the president is more interested in offering "bailouts" to large corporations than small businesses impacted by the coronavirus.
"I think that the government should not own the means of production. I'm not a socialist like Donald Trump. I think that's a very dangerous way to go," Polis told MSNBC's Chuck Todd.
Democrats have criticized the latest Republican economic relief proposal for dedicating billions of stimulus dollars to large corporations like airlines.

Trump said Thursday that he supports the idea of the government taking an equity stake in certain companies accepting federal aid but did not specify which companies.
"I think that rather than these corporate bailouts we should talk about helping people, Chuck," Polis said. "That means workers, that means small business owners, it means everybody."
"Frankly I like this idea of sending everybody $2,000, I like the idea of temporarily increasing the SNAP benefits, emergency loans to small businesses, especially those in food and hospitality that have been interrupted," he said. "I think those are the kind of measures, rather than using this as an excuse to implement socialist measures across corporate America."

Trump also said Thursday that workers are the priority for the stimulus but "sometimes for the worker to benefit, you have to go through the company because they have thousands of workers."

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/488711-colorado-governor-labels-trump-socialist-over-corporate-bailouts-during

[acptulsa]

I dunno , he might get it this time , the DNC will push biden but I do not see him getting anywhere near as many votes as hillary got in most of those states

Once there's a frontrunner it's over. That's another way Democrats are just like Republicans. In the primaries, when they have zero to gain and everything to lose, they cannot vote for the right candidate instead of current leader.

Horse race psychology.

And since a crashing economy means the president doesn't get reelected, we get an open child molester president.

Enjoy your New World Order.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sRg-rB9sCY4

[James_Madison_Lives]

If he gets cheated again they have no choice. Biden is a pro-TPP, interventionist warmonger. Until the Democratic establishment collapses they will have no fair path to the presidency. They don't like Trump but they can live with him. They can't live with being cheated over and over again.

[unknown]

Bernie is out, right?

[enhanced_deficit]

This is not getting coverage in media, Bernie revolution is not done yet:

Bernie Sanders is done but his fans in Pennsylvania keep winning primaries

by Julia Terruso, Updated: June 16, 2020

https://www.inquirer.com/resizer/T7Zk3YCCve5AWacH7NufEvopkxM=/0x0:3600x2396/1400x932/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/pmn/ZPUXADPSA5HUNFMQ4YXFWQHNZ4.jpg

JESSICA GRIFFIN / Staff Photographer

The Bernie Sanders revolution continues to reshape Democratic politics in Philadelphia and across Pennsylvania.

With the votes finally almost counted from Pennsylvania’s primary election earlier this month, wins by at least seven progressive candidates in primaries for the state legislature showed that the political energy of Sanders’ supporters will outlast his presidential campaign.


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Nikil Saval, who defeated an incumbent in a state Senate race in South Philadelphia, and Rick Krajewski, who ousted an incumbent in a state House primary in West Philadelphia, celebrated their victories Monday in a Zoom call attended by about 200 members of the state’s growing progressive army.

“I think what this means is, honestly, that the city is ready for and needs ideas and a political vision that goes beyond the status quo,” said Krajewski, who beat 35-year State Rep. James Roebuck. “We did the work... and we had a message that was resonating with the needs and desires in the district and beyond.”

Saval was one of several Sanders backers who founded the liberal political group Reclaim Philadelphia after the 2016 election. Krajewski worked for Reclaim on criminal justice issues before starting his campaign. The group has been a driving force in a growing number of high-profile electoral wins, including Larry Krasner’s election as district attorney in 2017 and Kendra Brooks’ winning campaign for City Council in 2019.

Krajewski and Saval are both first-time candidates who ousted party-backed incumbents in a city with one of the last political machines in the United States. The seven (at least) progressive primary winners is up from the three movement-aligned representatives elected to the state House two years ago.
inquirer.com/news/nikil-saval-rick-krajewski-progressive-2020-pennsylvania-primary-harrisburg-20200616.html