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Zippyjuan
04-17-2019, 11:44 AM
Trump was not happy- especially that the network allowed the Democrat to host a Town Hall on Fox. Trump himself has suggested some form of national healthcare program. Fox attempted to show that the audience didn't support the idea but were shocked when so many raised their hands when asked if they might like to trade their employer plans for a national one.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-fox-news-bernie-sanders-town-hall-823303/


But the night’s signature moment came when Baier polled the audience about where they get their healthcare, and whether they’d support transitioning to “a government-run system.” Nearly everyone in the room raised their hand, with several people clapping and cheering.

As the Washington Post points out, the transcript of the town hall notes that the audience applauded 72 times. The event was also the highest-rated town hall of the 2020 primary, with over 2.5 million viewers tuning into the president’s favorite network to watch a bunch of people cheering on the frontrunner to take him on in the 2020 election. Trump appears to have been one of them.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcEWbzXF3Es



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26zjQ2J3Kl4

specsaregood
04-17-2019, 11:52 AM
of course they will, as long as the US is able to run up the national debt, they will see it as "free". why pay for it yourself if you can get it for "free" on the US debt card?

Anti Globalist
04-17-2019, 12:09 PM
C-SPAN had a poll yesterday about Medicare for All. Last I checked support was beating oppose by 4 points.

ATruepatriot
04-17-2019, 12:11 PM
Do you believe this would actually even work? It's totally unworkable and unsustainable. You just can't get 7 gallons from a 3 gallon set of udders.

Sammy
04-17-2019, 12:58 PM
Most Republican's are crypto Socialists...

Anti Globalist
04-17-2019, 01:03 PM
Most Republican's are crypto Socialists...
Thats been the case for every Republican president elected over the past few decades.

Anti Federalist
04-17-2019, 01:06 PM
of course they will, as long as the US is able to run up the national debt, they will see it as "free". why pay for it yourself if you can get it for "free" on the US debt card?

This is correct.

Obama/Romney Care is doing exactly what is was designed to do: fail spectacularly and raise costs to insufferable levels in order to corral idiot AmeriKa into full government run "healthcare".

Anti Federalist
04-17-2019, 01:10 PM
Do you believe this would actually even work? It's totally unworkable and unsustainable. You just can't get 7 gallons from a 3 gallon set of udders.

Of course it won't work.

When has that ever stopped the Idiocracy?

Hell, the fact that a thing will not work seems to be a prerequisite to anything these days in Idiot AmeriKa.

You know what will make it work even better: import tens of millions more of semi-literate third world retards.

Yeah, that's the ticket...

Brian4Liberty
04-17-2019, 01:11 PM
“The right wing loves government run socialized medicine! The proof is the audience at a Bernie Sanders event on a left-neoconservative network!”

RonZeplin
04-17-2019, 01:15 PM
New York Socialist Values is a pre-existing condition that will be covered by TrumpCare. :check:

Zippyjuan
04-17-2019, 01:16 PM
This is correct.

Obama/Romney Care is doing exactly what is was designed to do: fail spectacularly and raise costs to insufferable levels in order to corral idiot AmeriKa into full government run "healthcare".

The plan actually originated under Nixon. Hardly a liberal. https://www.nixonfoundation.org/2015/11/the-nixon-comprehensive-health-insurance-plan/


On February 6, 1974, President Nixon presented his Comprehensive Health Insurance Plan, or CHIP, to Congress in an effort to outline and define his intentions for a health care reform program that would go into effect in 1976. At the beginning of his report, he explains that overall healthcare costs have risen over 20% since 1971, and that the standing average cost of a day-long hospital stay is over $110. On top of the rising cost of healthcare, over 25 million Americans were still uninsured in 1974. 40% of Americans who were insured were not covered for visits to a physician’s office on an outpatient basis, and very few private health care policies covered preventative services. Furthermore, less than half of Americans under the age of 65 and almost none of Americans over the age of 65 had major medical health coverage.

Nixon’s plan was designed to ensure that doctors were incentivized to work for their patient, not for the federal government or insurance companies. CHIP required no new federal taxes as all parties – consumer, provider, insurer, state government and federal government – had a direct stake in making this system work. There were three branches of health care available within Nixon’s plan: Employee Health Insurance, Assisted Health Insurance, and an improved version of Medicare. Employee Health Insurance would cover most Americans and offered at their place of employment. The cost would be shared between the employer and employee to reduce the financial burden on either side. Assisted Health Insurance was designed for low-income persons where the federal and state governments would pay any healthcare costs beyond what the insured individual could pay. An improved Medicare plan would cover Americans who were age 65 and over through a modified system that provided additional benefits. One of these three plans would be available to every American, but participation in the program was voluntary.

The benefits of each plan were identical for all Americans, regardless of age or economic status. These benefits would cover hospital stays, physician care, prescription medications, and medical devices as well as other necessary care. There would be no exclusion of coverage based on the nature of the illness or a preexisting condition. CHIP would also cover treatment for mental illness, alcoholism or addiction regardless of where the treatment is administered.

Nixon also argued that many conditions were preventable from an early age, therefore children should be included in the health care plan. This included preventative care up to age six, eye and hearing examinations, and regular dental care for children age 13 and younger. No family would be asked to pay more than $1,500 per year for out-of-pocket expenses, and low income families would pay even less.

CHIP mandated that Employee Health Insurance would be required to offer all full-time employees health coverage, while additional coverage benefits could be added if mutually agreed upon. Coverage would be jointly financed, where the employer would pay 65% of the premiums for the first three years, then 75% thereafter. Employees would pay the balance of the premiums, and federal subsidies would be provided to ease the cost burden.

Assisted Health Insurance was designed for any American who were unemployed, self-employed, disabled, or were low income. Under this plan, premiums, out-of-pocket expenses and deductibles would be relative to the income of the family enrolled. For example, working families with an income of less than $5,000 would pay no premiums at all. Higher income Americans could also acquire Assisted Health Insurance if other coverage plans offered unreasonable rates.

To improve the Medicare system, Nixon pointed out that Medicare, as it stood, did not cover outpatient drugs or provide any sort of limit for total out-of-pocket costs. CHIP proposed to offer the same benefits provided for others under the Employee Health Insurance and Assisted Health Insurance programs to those covered by Medicare. The limit on out-of-pocket costs would be capped at $750, while public funds would cover the difference for premiums for those with low incomes. In addition, the current Medicare program for the disabled would be replaced by Assisted Health Insurance, which would provide better coverage for those with a low income but high medical costs.

The total cost of CHIP would be just shy of $7 billion, where the federal government would pay $6 billion and state governments would pay $1 billion. Employers would pay $450 for each participating employee, while the average cost for insurance premiums would be $150. Tax rates would not rise, as Nixon was opposed to any comprehensive health plan that required a new federal tax. Overall, his goal was to reduce the burden of cost while simultaneously improving the quality of healthcare for all Americans.

Swordsmyth
04-17-2019, 02:07 PM
The plan actually originated under Nixon. Hardly a liberal. https://www.nixonfoundation.org/2015/11/the-nixon-comprehensive-health-insurance-plan/
Nixon was quite liberal.

Anti Federalist
04-17-2019, 02:10 PM
The plan actually originated under Nixon. Hardly a liberal. https://www.nixonfoundation.org/2015/11/the-nixon-comprehensive-health-insurance-plan/

You're not making your case.

Nixon???

EPA Nixon?

NTSB Nixon?

No Gold standard Nixon?

Handing over heavy manufacturing to China Nixon?

Why am I not surprised that criminal lunatic floated this idiotic idea first?

spudea
04-17-2019, 02:19 PM
I didn't watch but I bet it was presented as a utopia with no downsides, easy to get the audience on your side when there is no counter points of criticism.

Swordsmyth
04-17-2019, 02:23 PM
I didn't watch but I bet it was presented as a utopia with no downsides, easy to get the audience on your side when there is no counter points of criticism.
They probably packed the audience too, Faux is no longer even trying to be right wing or fair and balanced.

specsaregood
04-17-2019, 02:23 PM
Nixon was quite liberal.

His first campaign for the House of Reps was funded by wall street in order to eliminate a long time congressman who wanted to eliminate the federal reserve.

Swordsmyth
04-17-2019, 02:23 PM
You're not making your case.

Nixon???

EPA Nixon?

NTSB Nixon?

No Gold standard Nixon?

Handing over heavy manufacturing to China Nixon?

Why am I not surprised that criminal lunatic floated this idiotic idea first?
Didn't he give us OSHA too?

Anti Federalist
04-17-2019, 02:23 PM
The total cost of CHIP would be just shy of $7 billion, where the federal government would pay $6 billion and state governments would pay $1 billion. Employers would pay $450 for each participating employee, while the average cost for insurance premiums would be $150. Tax rates would not rise, as Nixon was opposed to any comprehensive health plan that required a new federal tax. Overall, his goal was to reduce the burden of cost while simultaneously improving the quality of healthcare for all Americans.

So now 50 some odd years later, after government got itself involved in "healthcare":

We are stupider, fatter and life expectancy is falling, the national government is over $22 TRILLION dollars in fucking debt, healthcare insurance for a family of four costs $15,000 a year, and, because idiot AmeriCunts have the collective and individual attention spans of gnats, they figure the answer is more government control of healthcare, while at the same time throwing open the doors to millions and millions of added idiots from every third world shithole across the globe, to come and jump on the system as well.

Swordsmyth
04-17-2019, 02:24 PM
His first campaign for the House of Reps was funded by wall street in order to eliminate a long time congressman who wanted to eliminate the federal reserve.
Why am I not surprised?

The only thing that surprises me is that Pat Buchanan worked for him.

Anti Federalist
04-17-2019, 02:24 PM
Didn't he give us OSHA too?

Why yes, yes he did.

dillo
04-17-2019, 02:35 PM
90% of healthcare costs come from the elderly, adding the rest of the population wouldn't add that much cost.

Swordsmyth
04-17-2019, 02:40 PM
90% of healthcare costs come from the elderly, adding the rest of the population wouldn't add that much cost.
Yes it will, people who get things for free tend to massively increase their use of them.

jkr
04-17-2019, 03:18 PM
no
doctors

get
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line

Krugminator2
04-17-2019, 03:22 PM
This is correct.

Obama/Romney Care is doing exactly what is was designed to do: fail spectacularly and raise costs to insufferable levels in order to corral idiot AmeriKa into full government run "healthcare".

I have basically always had insurance in the individual health care market which what Romneycare/OCare affects. The cost relative to the group market is absolutely insane. I am fortunate I can afford it and that I am still fairly young (35) but the cost is going to be ridiculous over the next 20 years.

A lot of people were motivated to vote Republican because Ocare increased premiums. But the Republicans are going to lose voters if they don't address this issue. The current system basically fucks any self-employed person or independent contractor in the butt who doesn't have a very low income. Let's say you cut hair and make 50k and have a kid. You don't qualify for subsidies but you are going to spend 10-20% of your income on insurance depending on how old you are. That's on top of the 15.3% you pay in FICA, property taxes, state taxes. and federal income tax.

Swordsmyth
04-17-2019, 03:26 PM
I have basically always had insurance in the individual health care market which what Romneycare/OCare affects. The cost relative to the group market is absolutely insane. I am fortunate I can afford it and that I am still fairly young (35) but the cost is going to be ridiculous over the next 20 years.

A lot of people were motivated to vote Republican because Ocare increased premiums. But the Republicans are going to lose voters if they don't address this issue. The current system basically $#@!s any self-employed person or independent contractor in the butt who doesn't have a very low income. Let's say you cut hair and make 50k and have a kid. You don't qualify for subsidies but you are going to spend 10-20% of your income on insurance depending on how old you are. That's on top of the 15.3% you pay in FICA, property taxes, state taxes. and federal income tax.
Fortunately O'Bummercare has been declared unconstitutional and that will be upheld and enforce soon.

specsaregood
04-17-2019, 03:40 PM
I have basically always had insurance in the individual health care market which what Romneycare/OCare affects. The cost relative to the group market is absolutely insane. I am fortunate I can afford it and that I am still fairly young (35) but the cost is going to be ridiculous over the next 20 years.

A lot of people were motivated to vote Republican because Ocare increased premiums. But the Republicans are going to lose voters if they don't address this issue. The current system basically fucks any self-employed person or independent contractor in the butt who doesn't have a very low income. Let's say you cut hair and make 50k and have a kid. You don't qualify for subsidies but you are going to spend 10-20% of your income on insurance depending on how old you are. That's on top of the 15.3% you pay in FICA, property taxes, state taxes. and federal income tax.

Have you looked into any of the associations to see if it could save you a chunk of money?
eg: https://www.nase.org/become-a-member/member-benefits

Swordsmyth
04-17-2019, 04:44 PM
They probably packed the audience too, Faux is no longer even trying to be right wing or fair and balanced.

https://twitter.com/NewsBreaking/status/1118329786340798464

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Krugminator2
04-17-2019, 05:23 PM
Have you looked into any of the associations to see if it could save you a chunk of money?
eg: https://www.nase.org/become-a-member/member-benefits


Good call. I have been so lazy on this stuff and have just been signing up through Blue Cross which weren't medically underwritten. The plan the guy got me had 60% lower deductible and had initial coverage for small stuff for the same price I was paying. The only difference was I wasn't lumped in the general risk pool.

oyarde
04-17-2019, 06:12 PM
Nixon was quite liberal.

Wilson , LBJ , Nixon & Obama have done more damage than people can imagine

Swordsmyth
04-17-2019, 06:16 PM
Wilson , LBJ , Nixon & Obama have done more damage than people can imagine
Throw in FDR and you can't even try to imagine how much better things should have been.

brushfire
04-17-2019, 07:48 PM
USSA! Its a free country, b!tch.