Dallas Decides to Stop Prosecuting Some Criminal Acts

[Swordsmyth]

Dallas County District Attorney John Creuzot is firmly dedicated to ending “mass incarceration” so much so, in fact, that the Democrat is going to let many criminal offenders back onto the streets.
Creuzot announced on Thursday that his office will be letting criminals off the hook (https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Dallas-County-District-Attorneys-Office-to-Dismiss-Many-Misdemeanor-State-Jail-Felony-Cases-508447331.html”) if they commit offenses such as low-level drug possession, theft, and criminal trespass. Law enforcement will be more focused on promoting social justice than protecting property rights under Creuzot’s plan.
He will also be targeting the bail bonds system and reducing probation sentences. Creuzot does not want criminals to “sit in jail not because they pose an identifiable danger to the community, but because they cannot pay their fee to go home” so they will be let out on the streets instead.
Marijuana offenders will be among the beneficiaries of the new weak-on-crime approach of the Dallas County criminal justice system. First-time marijuana offenders will not have their misdemeanors prosecuted as long as their offense is committed outside of a drug-free zone. Creuzot has already tossed out more than 1,000 misdemeanor marijuana cases with many more to come.


Robbers will be shielded by Dallas County too, as individuals who commit a robbery under the threshold of $750 will be let off scot free except in rare circumstances.
“Study after study shows that when we arrest, jail, and convict people for non-violent crimes committed out of necessity, we only prevent that person from gaining the stability necessary to lead a law-abiding life. Criminalizing poverty is counter-productive for our community’s health and safety,” Creuzot said to justify his push toward lawlessness.
Under the guise of protecting the homeless and mentally ill, criminal trespass will no longer be prosecuted unless it involves an physical intrusion onto property.
“Around 90 percent of homeless individuals charged with trespass will receive an average jail sentence of 33 days. These prosecutions are an ineffective and inhumane approach to dealing with homelessness or mental illness, and yet since 2015, Dallas County has spent nearly $11 million just to incarcerate those charged with trespass, not including the costs and resources required to arrest and prosecute their cases,” Creuzot said.

Creuzot makes it clear that these decisions are far from arbitrary, and he is acting on a strong electoral mandate. The facts bear him out. His Democratic voter base put him into office, in essence, to ignore the law.
“When I ran to become your District Attorney, I promised you that I would bring changes to our criminal justice system,” Creuzot wrote in a public statement.
Creuzot defeated his rule-of-law Republican challenger, Faith Johnson, by a commanding 20 point margin during last year’s elections.
“It’s not wanting to be the district attorney,” Creuzot said after he won the election. “It’s about wanting to implement change.”

More at: https://bigleaguepolitics.com/after-electing-democratic-attorney-dallas-decides-to-stop-prosecuting-some-criminal-acts/

[aGameOfThrones]

Robbers will be shielded by Dallas County too, as individuals who commit a robbery under the threshold of $750 will be let off scot free except in rare circumstances.
“Study after study shows that when we arrest, jail, and convict people for non-violent crimes committed out of necessity, we only prevent that person from gaining the stability necessary to lead a law-abiding life. Criminalizing poverty is counter-productive for our community’s health and safety,” Creuzot said to justify his push toward lawlessness.

So $750 is the max I can steal per client, got it. I need a lot of stuff out of necessity, need to rob some clients to gain my stability.

[TheTexan]

Criminal drug users not being prosecuted? This is anarchy!!!

What's next, our roads???

[Swordsmyth]

Criminal drug users not being prosecuted? This is anarchy!!!

What's next, our roads???
Every Texican should steal $750 and donate it to a fund to protect the roads.

[spudea]

Yikes, looks like I chose the right time to move further west into Tarrant county

[TheTexan]

Yikes, looks like I chose the right time to move further west into Tarrant county

You're very lucky to have gotten out when you did. Now, with these drug users freely roaming the streets it's very dangerous to try to leave the city.

I'm advising all my neighbors to lock themselves in their homes as much as possible and board up the windows. If one must go outside, it's better to do it when it's dark outside, because in Texas the laws against shooting criminals are much more relaxed at night. In the day time it's really only safe to travel with a police escort.

It's just chaos outside. I don't know how it came to this. I could really use your prayers during this trying time.

May God have mercy on our souls.

[DamianTV]

Maybe they should choose to refuse to enforce Unconstitutional Laws? Like the Oathkeepers?

[Danke]

Criminal drug users not being prosecuted? This is anarchy!!!

What's next, our roads???

"First-time marijuana offenders will not have their misdemeanors prosecuted as long as their offense is committed outside of a drug-free zone."

Sounds like you guys need to set-up more drug-free zones.

[Stratovarious]

Selective application of laws is devolution, they should repeal laws that are un constitutional
first .

And fix the potholes.

Then send in the National Guard to rescue TheTexan , before he's forced to go' vigilante,
Bronson/Willis etc.....

[Zippyjuan]

As President, I pledged to work with both parties for the good of the whole nation. And that’s what it is: It’s for the good of the whole nation. And it’s something that is so important to me in terms of this and lots of other things. And it’s happening. Slowly, but surely, it’s all happening.

The more I met and spoke with those involved in our criminal justice system, the more clear it became that unfair sentencing rules were contributing to the cycle of poverty and crime like really nothing else before. It was time to fix this broken system — and it’s a system of the past — and to improve the lives of so many people.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-2019-prison-reform-summit-first-step-act-celebration/


In less than four months, more than 500 people with unfair sentences have been released from prison and are free to begin a new life. (Applause.)

[Brian4Liberty]

Robbers will be shielded by Dallas County too, as individuals who commit a robbery under the threshold of $750 will be let off scot free except in rare circumstances.

LOL. The damn fool didn’t learn from the California experiment with this? Theft skyrockets because there is no longer any penalty.

[Zippyjuan]

LOL. The damn fool didn’t learn from the California experiment with this? Theft skyrockets because there is no longer any penalty.

Thefts from cars mostly.

https://www.apnews.com/4c5e227658e24ce7959719dedce4a1a4


Larcenies increased about 9 percent by 2016, or about 135 more thefts per 100,000 residents than if tougher penalties had remained, according to results of a study by the nonpartisan Public Policy Institute of California released Tuesday.

Thefts from motor vehicles accounted for about three-quarters of the increase. San Francisco alone recorded more than 30,000 auto burglaries last year, which authorities largely blamed on gangs. Shoplifting may be leveling off, researchers found, but there is no sign of a decline in thefts from vehicles.

Proposition 47 lowered criminal sentences for drug possession, theft, shoplifting, identity theft, receiving stolen property, writing bad checks and check forgery from felonies that can bring prison terms to misdemeanors that often bring minimal jail sentences.


California still has historically low crime rates despite recent changes in the criminal justice system aimed at reducing mass incarceration and increasing rehabilitation and treatment programs, said Lenore Anderson, executive director of Californians for Safety and Justice, who led the drive to pass Proposition 47.

“This report shows we are making progress,” she said in a statement calling for less spending on prisons and more on programs to help reduce the cycle of crime.

California's taxpayer funded jail population is about ten percent lower than it was in 2014. They have the 18th lowest incarceration rate in the country and the sixteenth lowest crime rate. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/crime-and-corrections/public-safety

[Swordsmyth]

Thefts from cars mostly.

https://www.apnews.com/4c5e227658e24ce7959719dedce4a1a4





California's taxpayer funded jail population is about ten percent lower than it was in 2014. They have the 18th lowest incarceration rate in the country and the sixteenth lowest crime rate. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/crime-and-corrections/public-safety

It's easy to have a low crime rate when you ignore all the crimes.

[Zippyjuan]

It's easy to have a low crime rate when you ignore all the crimes.

"We need to spend more tax dollars to hire more police (bigger police state) and arrest more people and build more jails and spend even more taxpayer dollars to house them there."

More key words from your guide book?

[Swordsmyth]

"We need to spend more tax dollars to hire more police (bigger police state) and arrest more people and build more jails and spend even more taxpayer dollars to house them there."

More key words from your guide book?
LOL

We need to get rid of all of the phony crimes and stop coddling real criminals, we could probably reduce our law enforcement and prisons.

[Anti Federalist]

"We need to spend more tax dollars to hire more police (bigger police state) and arrest more people and build more jails and spend even more taxpayer dollars to house them there."

More key words from your guide book?

Do you think there should be any criminal sanctions for crimes that do have victims?

[Anti Federalist]

The new Bolshie AG in Boston is doing the same thing.

[Zippyjuan]

LOL

We need to get rid of all of the phony crimes and stop coddling real criminals, we could probably reduce our law enforcement and prisons.

Which are the "phony crimes" and which are the "real crimes"?

[Swordsmyth]

Which are the "phony crimes" and which are the "real crimes"?
Drug use is a phony crime, theft is a real one.

You've been here long enough to know the idea.

[Zippyjuan]

Drug use is a phony crime, theft is a real one.

You've been here long enough to know the idea.

Is it worth it to spend $31,000 a year (not counting court costs) to keep somebody in jail who stole $200? (average prison inmate costs- in some states it can be $60,000 a year). Meanwhile if not in jail, they could be earning money and paying taxes instead of costing tax dollars.

[TheTexan]

Is it worth it to spend $31,000 a year (not counting court costs) to keep somebody in jail who stole $200? (average prison inmate costs- in some states it can be $60,000 a year). Meanwhile if not in jail, they could be earning money and paying taxes instead of costing tax dollars.

Deport them to Mexico

[Swordsmyth]

Is it worth it to spend $31,000 a year (not counting court costs) to keep somebody in jail who stole $200? (average prison inmate costs- in some states it can be $60,000 a year). Meanwhile if not in jail, they could be earning money and paying taxes instead of costing tax dollars.
Or they could be stealing more.

The exact penalty could be debated but letting them off entirely is insane.

[Anti Federalist]

Is it worth it to spend $31,000 a year (not counting court costs) to keep somebody in jail who stole $200? (average prison inmate costs- in some states it can be $60,000 a year). Meanwhile if not in jail, they could be earning money and paying taxes instead of costing tax dollars.

Petty theft is not a very big issue in states that have a "gun culture".

What would you suggest as an alternative "discouragement"?

Is not a victim of property theft just as "traumatized" if somebody breaks into their property or home, regardless if the steal $100 or $10,000?

[Zippyjuan]

Lock 'em all up and throw away the key!

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/florida-man-charged-with-felony-for-stealing-a-cup-of-soda-from-mcdonalds-police-say/


Florida man charged with felony for stealing a cup of soda from McDonalds, police say

NAPLES, Fla. - Police say a Naples man remains jailed on felony charges after leaving a McDonald's restaurant without paying for a cup of soda.


The Naples Daily News reports that after filling a courtesy cup with soda Thursday at the McDonald's soda fountain, Mark Abaire, 52, was arrested by police and now faces a felony thrift charge.

According to a manager, Abaire entered the store and asked for a glass of water around 10 p.m. Although the employee told him the cup was for water, Abaire filled it with soda from the fountain machine and sat outside the restaurant, an arrest report states.

Abaire allegedly had a conversation with the manager and declined to pay for the soda, valued at $1. He reportedly refused to leave the premises and cursed at the manager.

The charge is petty theft, but it was increased to a felony because Abaire has previous petty theft convictions. In Florida, a third-degree felony can result in a sentence of up to five years and a $5,000 fine.

The newspaper reports Abaire faces additional misdemeanor counts of trespassing and disorderly intoxication.

On Saturday, he remained in the Collier County jail with bond set at $6,500.

[Swordsmyth]

Lock 'em all up and throw away the key!

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/florida-man-charged-with-felony-for-stealing-a-cup-of-soda-from-mcdonalds-police-say/

Maybe he should only get a day in jail.


But he must not be allowed to get away with it, if one person gets away with it others will copy them and they will continue to test the limits while their liberal friends continue to push the limits farther and farther.

[Zippyjuan]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/florida-man-gets-20-years-for-stealing-600-worth-of-cigarettes/


Florida man gets 20 years in prison for stealing $600 worth of cigarettes


PENSACOLA, Fla. — A man who stole $600 worth of cigarettes from a convenience store in Florida has been sentenced to 20 years in state prison. A jury in Pensacola convicted 48-year-old Robert Spellman of burglary and grand theft in August.

Authorities say Spellman took 10 cartons of cigarettes from a stock room in the store manager's office last December. He was sentenced Friday.

Police found Spellman nearby with the cigarettes in his possession, the State Attorney's Office told The Pensacola News Journal.


Twenty years at $30k a year- comes to $600,000 of taxpayer money- a thousand time the value of what he took.

[Anti Federalist]

And if all of sudden we're concerned about crime, why are we importing people, or more properly, standing by while people invade, from what are universally the most crime prone cities in the world, all of which, outside a few here in the good old USA, are in Central and South America?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate

[Swordsmyth]

And if all of sudden we're concerned about crime, why are we importing people, or more properly, standing by while people invade, from what are universally the most crime prone cities in the world, all of which, outside a few here in the good old USA, are in Central and South America?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate

They are concerned with crime............................................T HEY WANT MORE OF IT.


That's why they are encouraging the invasion from those cultures and why they are pushing for zero punishment of criminals.

[Anti Federalist]

Lock 'em all up and throw away the key!

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/florida-man-charged-with-felony-for-stealing-a-cup-of-soda-from-mcdonalds-police-say/

Well, how many times should he be allowed to drunkenly dog cuss and rob people before going to jail?

3?

5?

15?

Never?

I'm curious.

[Swordsmyth]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/florida-man-gets-20-years-for-stealing-600-worth-of-cigarettes/



Twenty years at $30k a year- comes to $600,000 of taxpayer money- a thousand time the value of what he took.

The exact penalty could be debated but letting them off entirely is insane.

[Swordsmyth]

Well, how many times should he be allowed to drunkenly dog cuss and rob people before going to jail?

3?

5?

15?

Never?

I'm curious.
Never is the idea, meanwhile zippy will support you or I going to prison for things liberals want to outlaw or not paying property taxes or income taxes.

[Anti Federalist]

They are concerned with crime............................................T HEY WANT MORE OF IT.


That's why they are encouraging the invasion from those cultures and why they are pushing for zero punishment of criminals.

Yes, I realize that, the Bolshies and Jacobins want a police state, even worse that what we have, and they know the way to get is to import a flood of petty crooks, the better to get people agitated for more cops, more surveillance, more jails, and more loss of liberty.

[Swordsmyth]

Yes, I realize that, the Bolshies and Jacobins want a police state, even worse that what we have, and they know the way to get is to import a flood of petty crooks, the better to get people agitated for more cops, more surveillance, more jails, and more loss of liberty.
It will also keep us too busy defending ourselves and too poor to try to fight back.

[Anti Federalist]

Never is the idea, meanwhile zippy will support you or I going to prison for things liberals want to outlaw or not paying property taxes or income taxes.

Well, in a perfect world, the first time he tried that, drunkenly dog cussing and stealing shit, the property owner would be protected from legal retribution and give him the ass kicking he deserved.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaW0M6V85j8

[Swordsmyth]

Well, in a perfect world, the first time he tried that, drunkenly dog cussing and stealing $#@!, the property owner would be protected from legal retribution and give him the ass kicking he deserved.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaW0M6V85j8
And the police would give you a medal.

[Brian4Liberty]

Thefts from cars mostly.

https://www.apnews.com/4c5e227658e24ce7959719dedce4a1a4

California's taxpayer funded jail population is about ten percent lower than it was in 2014. They have the 18th lowest incarceration rate in the country and the sixteenth lowest crime rate. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings/crime-and-corrections/public-safety

Spare us the ZippyStats (tm).


It's easy to have a low crime rate when you ignore all the crimes.

That’s how they do it. Don’t even respond for certain crimes. And even if someone wants to push for charges, they can intentionally mess up the paperwork in such a way that they know it will be thrown out by the Judge. No statistics!

[Zippyjuan]

Spare us the ZippyStats (tm).



That’s how they do it. Don’t even respond for certain crimes. And even if someone wants to push for charges, they can intentionally mess up the paperwork in such a way that they know it will be thrown out by the Judge. No statistics!

"I can't support my claim so therefore they must be hiding the real facts!"

[Brian4Liberty]

Is it worth it to spend $31,000 a year (not counting court costs) to keep somebody in jail who stole $200? (average prison inmate costs- in some states it can be $60,000 a year). Meanwhile if not in jail, they could be earning money and paying taxes instead of costing tax dollars.

So it’s either prison or let criminals off? Sorry, you don’t get to make up the rules. Seems like there used to be other punishments, fines, and restitutions other than jail. Probably still is in rational court rooms. Of course rational thought is not common in a bleeding heart leftist just-us system.

[Swordsmyth]

"I can't support my claim so therefore they must be hiding the real facts!"
LOL

They are caught doing it all the time.

[TheTexan]

Day 2.

It's eerily quiet outside. I removed a wooden plank from my window to take a peek, there's noone outside. Where people used to run and walk their dogs, there is only wind and silence.

The left-over mac-n-cheese is almost gone. There's a few canned foods remaining.

[Brian4Liberty]

"I can't support my claim so therefore they must be hiding the real facts!"

I operate in the real world, not your Big Mommy socialist utopia dreamworld. And anyone would be a damn fool to take the #FakeNews or #ZippyStats (tm) at face value.

[Swordsmyth]

Day 2.

It's eerily quiet outside. I removed a wooden plank from my window to take a peek, there's noone outside. Where people used to run and walk their dogs, there is only wind and silence.

The left-over mac-n-cheese is almost gone. There's a few canned foods remaining.
It's a trap, don't go outside again for at least two weeks.

[ATruepatriot]

Day 2.

It's eerily quiet outside. I removed a wooden plank from my window to take a peek, there's noone outside. Where people used to run and walk their dogs, there is only wind and silence.

The left-over mac-n-cheese is almost gone. There's a few canned foods remaining.

https://rarehorror.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/last-man-on-earth-poster1.jpg

[Wooden Indian]

Nothing to see here. Move along, folks.

Importing criminals, disarmament of the people, and a blind eye to crime... THAT brings down crime! - signed ZipJuan

[Zippyjuan]

Nothing to see here. Move along, folks.

Importing criminals, disarmament of the people, and a blind eye to crime... THAT brings down crime! - signed ZipJuan

I see you have borrowed Swordsmyth's guidebook to scaring people on the internet and important key words to use in your discussions.

[Swordsmyth]

I see you have borrowed Swordsmyth's guidebook to scaring people on the internet and important key words to use in your discussions.
LOL

The truth hurts.

[Zippyjuan]

LOL

The truth hurts.

Not real truth. Truth is that immigrants (legal and illegal) are less likely to commit crimes. Though your playbook suggests that claiming otherwise is a good way to make people afraid. https://www.cato.org/blog/illegal-immigrants-crime-assessing-evidence

Fear rules over facts.

[Swordsmyth]

Not real truth. Truth is that immigrants (legal and illegal) are less likely to commit crimes. Though your playbook suggests that claiming otherwise is a good way to make people afraid. https://www.cato.org/blog/illegal-immigrants-crime-assessing-evidence

Fear rules over facts.
Those lies have been debunked many times.

[Zippyjuan]

Those lies have been debinked many times.

Yes, your lies have. But you keep repeating them. Just like the book says you should. Don't let facts get in the way of making a point.

[Swordsmyth]

Yes, your lies have. But you keep repeating them. Just like the book says you should. Don't let facts get in the way of making a point.
Talking to yourself again?

[Swordsmyth]

The talking point that illegal immigrants commit fewer crimes than naturalized American citizens is everywhere. It’s hard to find much dissent from the counterintuitive and bogus narrative.
Those making the claim have found themselves some support from the libertarian right. An oft-cited paper from the Cato Institute found that illegal immigrants make up 6.4% of Texas’ population, but only 5% of their prison population (and thus, they must commit fewer crimes). That conflicts with US Census data from 2011 to 2015 shows that noncitizens are 7% more (https://www.justfactsdaily.com/illegal-immigrants-far-more-likely-to-commit-serious-crimes-than-us-public) likely than the US population to be incarcerated in adult correctional facilities.

Trump's demonization of Latinos is racist, it’s wrong and it also happens to be factually inaccurate. Undocumented Latino immigrants commit fewer crimes in America than the general public.
— Bernie Sanders (@SenSanders) February 9, 2019 (https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/1094262433953255424?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)

Reading some takes on here, feel it's important to remind everyone that immigrants (both documented and undocumented) are actually less likely to commit crimes than native-born citizenshttps://t.co/4zgX0PmDkr


— Kat Timpf (@KatTimpf) December 28, 2018 (https://twitter.com/KatTimpf/status/1078663285145305088?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)

The explanation can be reduced to sampling bias.
Cato isn’t taking into account the fact that the post-prison life of native-born American prisons and illegals is radically different, so you can’t infer that illegal aliens are less criminal even if they may be underrepresented in prisons at a particular point in time.

A native-born criminal will be re-released into American society after serving time, where an illegal will be deported.
In America the average convict released has 3.9 prior convictions (excluding convictions that didn’t result in jail time). Because illegal immigrants will simply be deported at the end of their sentence (or be deported in lieu of other punishment), the chance of them re-offending is essentially zero (unless they’re to reenter the US). As James Agresti (https://www.justfactsdaily.com/illegal-immigrants-far-more-likely-to-commit-serious-crimes-than-us-public/) notes:

Department of Justice data reveals that in the decade ending in 2015, the U.S. deported at least 1.5 million noncitizens who were convicted of committing crimes in the U.S. (Table 41 (https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/Yearbook_Immigration_Statistics_2015.pdf)). This amounts to 10 times the number of noncitizens in U.S. adult correctional facilities during 2015.
A more accurate claim is thus; after deporting millions of criminal illegal aliens, illegal aliens commit fewer crimes at a statistical category. We could flip the stats if we were allowed to deport our criminals to Canada.
There could also be severe underreporting in illegal immigrant crime that’s committed against other illegals. If most white people in America are killed by other white people, and most blacks killed by other blacks, would it be a stretch to assume that illegals disproportionately commit crimes against other illegals? This is speculative – but unquestionably makes up a chunk of illegal immigrant crimes that go unreported.


Perhaps that won’t be the case for illegals living in sanctuary cities – which brings me to another factor that naturally leads to underreporting of illegal immigrant crimes. Over 61% (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/09/us-metro-areas-unauthorized-immigrants/) of illegal aliens live in just twenty sanctuary cities (compared to 36 % of the overall population that lives in those same cities).
In 2015, 46% (https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/table-25) of the violent crimes and 19% of the property crimes reported to police in the US were cleared, according to FBI data. In sanctuary cities such as San Francisco and Los Angeles, only about a third (https://www.npr.org/2015/03/30/395799413/how-many-crimes-do-your-police-clear-now-you-can-find-out) of violent crimes are cleared. In the areas that most illegal immigrant crimes would occur, crimes are solved at a lower rate than the national average.
While illegal aliens do commit more crimes than native-born Americans, it shouldn’t matter to you if they committed crimes at a lower rate. Suppose for the sake of a thought experiment that there was a city of one million people, and an additional one million illegals began living in the city.
For the sake of this thought experiment, natives are victimized at a rate 85% higher than they were before the influx of illegals, due to increased crime from the illegal share of the population.
But at the same time, the population of the city increased by 100%, meaning there would be simultaneously more native victims of crime and yet the crime statistics would decrease on a per capita basis.
It’s worth asking whether victims will notice (or find comfort in knowing) that they were technically being victimized at a lower statistical rate. That seems unlikely.


https://bigleaguepolitics.com/dont-believe-the-lie-that-illegal-aliens-commit-fewer-crimes-than-natural-citizens/

[Stratovarious]

Day 2.

It's eerily quiet outside. I removed a wooden plank from my window to take a peek, there's noone outside. Where people used to run and walk their dogs, there is only wind and silence.

The left-over mac-n-cheese is almost gone. There's a few canned foods remaining.

But many of the potholes are now fixed.

[Stratovarious]

The talking point that illegal immigrants commit fewer crimes than naturalized American citizens is everywhere. It’s hard to find much dissent from the counterintuitive and bogus narrative.
Those making the claim have found themselves some support from the libertarian right. An oft-cited paper from the Cato Institute found that illegal immigrants make up 6.4% of Texas’ population, but only 5% of their prison population (and thus, they must commit fewer crimes). That conflicts with US Census data from 2011 to 2015 shows that noncitizens are 7% more (https://www.justfactsdaily.com/illegal-immigrants-far-more-likely-to-commit-serious-crimes-than-us-public) likely than the US population to be incarcerated in adult correctional facilities.
Trump's demonization of Latinos is racist, it’s wrong and it also happens to be factually inaccurate. Undocumented Latino immigrants commit fewer crimes in America than the general public.
— Bernie Sanders (@SenSanders) February 9, 2019 (https://twitter.com/SenSanders/status/1094262433953255424?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)


Reading some takes on here, feel it's important to remind everyone that immigrants (both documented and undocumented) are actually less likely to commit crimes than native-born citizenshttps://t.co/4zgX0PmDkr


— Kat Timpf (@KatTimpf) December 28, 2018 (https://twitter.com/KatTimpf/status/1078663285145305088?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)

The explanation can be reduced to sampling bias.
Cato isn’t taking into account the fact that the post-prison life of native-born American prisons and illegals is radically different, so you can’t infer that illegal aliens are less criminal even if they may be underrepresented in prisons at a particular point in time.

A native-born criminal will be re-released into American society after serving time, where an illegal will be deported.
In America the average convict released has 3.9 prior convictions (excluding convictions that didn’t result in jail time). Because illegal immigrants will simply be deported at the end of their sentence (or be deported in lieu of other punishment), the chance of them re-offending is essentially zero (unless they’re to reenter the US). As James Agresti (https://www.justfactsdaily.com/illegal-immigrants-far-more-likely-to-commit-serious-crimes-than-us-public/) notes:
Department of Justice data reveals that in the decade ending in 2015, the U.S. deported at least 1.5 million noncitizens who were convicted of committing crimes in the U.S. (Table 41 (https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/Yearbook_Immigration_Statistics_2015.pdf)). This amounts to 10 times the number of noncitizens in U.S. adult correctional facilities during 2015.

A more accurate claim is thus; after deporting millions of criminal illegal aliens, illegal aliens commit fewer crimes at a statistical category. We could flip the stats if we were allowed to deport our criminals to Canada.
There could also be severe underreporting in illegal immigrant crime that’s committed against other illegals. If most white people in America are killed by other white people, and most blacks killed by other blacks, would it be a stretch to assume that illegals disproportionately commit crimes against other illegals? This is speculative – but unquestionably makes up a chunk of illegal immigrant crimes that go unreported.


Perhaps that won’t be the case for illegals living in sanctuary cities – which brings me to another factor that naturally leads to underreporting of illegal immigrant crimes. Over 61% (http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/09/us-metro-areas-unauthorized-immigrants/) of illegal aliens live in just twenty sanctuary cities (compared to 36 % of the overall population that lives in those same cities).
In 2015, 46% (https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2015/crime-in-the-u.s.-2015/tables/table-25) of the violent crimes and 19% of the property crimes reported to police in the US were cleared, according to FBI data. In sanctuary cities such as San Francisco and Los Angeles, only about a third (https://www.npr.org/2015/03/30/395799413/how-many-crimes-do-your-police-clear-now-you-can-find-out) of violent crimes are cleared. In the areas that most illegal immigrant crimes would occur, crimes are solved at a lower rate than the national average.
While illegal aliens do commit more crimes than native-born Americans, it shouldn’t matter to you if they committed crimes at a lower rate. Suppose for the sake of a thought experiment that there was a city of one million people, and an additional one million illegals began living in the city.
For the sake of this thought experiment, natives are victimized at a rate 85% higher than they were before the influx of illegals, due to increased crime from the illegal share of the population.
But at the same time, the population of the city increased by 100%, meaning there would be simultaneously more native victims of crime and yet the crime statistics would decrease on a per capita basis.
It’s worth asking whether victims will notice (or find comfort in knowing) that they were technically being victimized at a lower statistical rate. That seems unlikely.


https://bigleaguepolitics.com/dont-believe-the-lie-that-illegal-aliens-commit-fewer-crimes-than-natural-citizens/


On that other issue we were talking about earlier, the illegals that are already slated to be released.
None should be released in America.

[Swordsmyth]

On that other issue we were talking about earlier, the illegals that are already slated to be released.
None should be released in America.
Absolutely but unless Trump is able to defy the courts without being impeached or the laws are changed some will be and they should be sent to Sanctuary cities.

[Stratovarious]

Absolutely but unless Trump is able to defy the courts without being impeached or the laws are changed some will be and they should be sent to Sanctuary cities.

Right.

[Anti Federalist]

I see you have borrowed Swordsmyth's guidebook to scaring people on the internet and important key words to use in your discussions.

Are you trying to say that the current leading mouthpieces for leftism in the US are NOT in favor of citizen disarmament?

[Danke]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/florida-man-gets-20-years-for-stealing-600-worth-of-cigarettes/



Twenty years at $30k a year- comes to $600,000 of taxpayer money- a thousand time the value of what he took.

Spellman reportedly had 14 felony and 31 misdemeanor convictions prior to the cigarette theft, which qualified him as a habitual felony offender.

[Zippyjuan]

We need more people in jail. One quarter of all prisoners in the world is not enough. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?507650-Quarter-of-world-prison-population-in-the-USA

More liberty for everybody!

[Swordsmyth]

We need more people in jail. One quarter of all prisoners in the world is not enough. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?507650-Quarter-of-world-prison-population-in-the-USA

More liberty for everybody!
LOL

We need the right people in jail and everyone else out.

[TheTexan]

Day 3.

I heard a noise last night during my shift to keep watch. Likely a roaming homeless stealing from my trash. Since the Declaration to not prosecute these crimes, they are happening more and more frequently.

Supplies are starting to run out. May have to venture outside soon.

[Anti Federalist]

We need more people in jail. One quarter of all prisoners in the world is not enough. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?507650-Quarter-of-world-prison-population-in-the-USA

More liberty for everybody!

Hmmm...

The ten lowest incarceration rates were all in countries with homogeneous populations.

Diversity is strength fail.

http://media.salon.com/2012/10/Screen-Shot-2012-10-15-at-10.25.43-AM.png

Hmmm...

Prison population starts exploding the year the "war on drugs" is declared.

Prohibition fail.

https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/files/2015/04/incarcerationgraphic.jpg

[Zippyjuan]

Hmmm...

The ten lowest incarceration rates were all in countries with homogeneous populations.

Diversity is strength fail.

http://media.salon.com/2012/10/Screen-Shot-2012-10-15-at-10.25.43-AM.png





Most of the Top Ten are also very homogeneous populations. That factor seems to be irrelevant.

http://sfbayview.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Incarceration-rates-per-100000-for-list-of-countries.jpg

https://www.globalsistersreport.org/sites/default/files/styles/story/public/stories/images/InternationalIncarceration%20%28923x537%29.jpg?ito k=cFbdn1Bk

[Zippyjuan]

More guns, more people in jail?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a7/US_Incarceration_Rate_per_100%2C000_Inhabitants_by _State.png/1200px-US_Incarceration_Rate_per_100%2C000_Inhabitants_by _State.png

https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/559451a2ecad0464750b3d6c-750-606.png

Is it population diversity?

https://www.homesnacks.net/graphs/national/most-diverse-states-in-america-for-2019.png

[Anti Federalist]

More guns, more people in jail?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a7/US_Incarceration_Rate_per_100%2C000_Inhabitants_by _State.png/1200px-US_Incarceration_Rate_per_100%2C000_Inhabitants_by _State.png

https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/559451a2ecad0464750b3d6c-750-606.png

Is it population diversity?

https://www.homesnacks.net/graphs/national/most-diverse-states-in-america-for-2019.png

No, but you're getting warmer.

[loveshiscountry]

No, but you're getting warmer.
maybe..
https://ifstudies.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/new-final-heat-map.png

I picked the green map since weed was in the OP

[phill4paul]

Steal someones property, become their bitch. Problem solved. I've got a 30ft. fence that needs replacing while I sit back and sip on a Mint Julip.

13th Amendment. "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

Fuggers just might find getting a job requires less work.

[Wooden Indian]

Over 20 percent of the U.S. prison "population" are immigrants, ZipJuan.
I guess we are to believe that they are Scandinavian mercenaries working for the Russians.

And- No, not all Mesicans are bad. Hell my aunt is Cuban and was married to a Mexican guy that I worked with every day... he was a fine dude until the night he was shot in the head by a .... you guessed it- another Mexican! Murdered for offending another's machismo- now that's culture!

I pray you and your Young Turks fan club never see the day that you ask for... for all our sake.