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Zippyjuan
04-11-2019, 06:22 PM
https://www.npr.org/2019/04/11/712121425/trump-signs-executive-orders-in-push-to-make-it-easier-to-build-oil-and-gas-pipe

States rights don't matter.


President Trump stood in front of an audience of operating engineers in Crosby, Texas, on Wednesday and promised to make it easier for them to lay pipe.

"Nobody in the world can do what you folks do," Trump said to applause from the assembled crowd. "And we're going to make it easier for you."

After speaking at the International Union of Operating Engineers International Training and Education Center, Trump signed two executive orders aiming to make it easier for companies to build oil and gas pipeline projects — and harder for states to block them.

"Republican lawmakers and energy groups have long accused blue states of blocking pipeline projects using a section of the Clean Water Act," NPR's Nathan Rott reports for our Newscast unit. "One of Trump's executive orders will aim to weaken that power. Whether that actually happens will remain to be seen. Executive orders only do so much — and lawsuits are sure to follow."

Trump's pipeline orders mark his latest effort to push for infrastructure projects his administration says will "unleash American energy."

In early 2017, less than a month into Trump's presidency, his administration reversed an Obama administration decision to deny a key permit for the Dakota Access Pipeline and instead approved its construction. Just last month, Trump issued a second presidential permit for the Keystone XL oil pipeline after an earlier permit was overturned by a U.S. district judge. His latest permit is also being challenged in court.

One of Trump's new orders calls for the EPA to review a section of the Clean Water Act that requires applicants seeking federal permits for energy infrastructure projects that might pollute protected waters to get certification from the states where any potential contamination could happen.

Federal guidance and regulations regarding that requirement — which gives states a direct role in building projects — are described in the executive action as "outdated" and responsible for "confusion and uncertainty" that slows down infrastructure projects.

The order also seeks to make it easier to transport natural gas when a pipeline can't be used.

The action stipulates an update to a Department of Transportation safety regulation on facilities that store natural gas in its liquid state so that it can be carried long distances when pipeline transport isn't possible. The change would allow transport of the liquefied natural gas in approved railroad tank cars.

Trump's order also instructs the secretary of labor to investigate whether there are "discernible trends" in how certain managers of ERISA-protected investment-based retirement funds invest in the energy sector.

The second order gives the president the exclusive responsibility to "issue, deny, or amend" permits for infrastructure projects that cross international boundaries of the United States.

"The president — not the bureaucracy — will have sole authority to make the final decision when we get caught up in problems," Trump said.

Trump said he's ending a "war on American energy." But critics say the orders are an overstep of federal authority.

More at link.

Swordsmyth
04-11-2019, 06:26 PM
This is about federal law not states' rights:


One of Trump's new orders calls for the EPA to review a section of the Clean Water Act that requires applicants seeking federal permits for energy infrastructure projects that might pollute protected waters to get certification from the states where any potential contamination could happen.

Federal guidance and regulations regarding that requirement — which gives states a direct role in building projects — are described in the executive action as "outdated" and responsible for "confusion and uncertainty" that slows down infrastructure projects.

You can say that Trump should do more for states' rights but this is not doing anything against them.

Zippyjuan
04-11-2019, 06:30 PM
This is about federal law not states' rights:



You can say that Trump should do more for states' rights but this is not doing anything against them.

Your own quote says that it considers regulations considering state's rights to be outdated.


which gives states a direct role in building projects — are described in the executive action as "outdated"

It want to "review" laws which give states rights on pollution from energy projects.


calls for the EPA to review a section of the Clean Water Act that requires applicants seeking federal permits for energy infrastructure projects that might pollute protected waters to get certification from the states where any potential contamination could happen

That would reduce state's input and power on projects within their borders.

Swordsmyth
04-11-2019, 06:34 PM
Your own quote says that it considers regulations considering state's rights to be outdated.



It want to "review" laws which give states rights on pollution from energy projects.
Your understanding of rights is deficient, if they are given a say by a federal law that is a privilege not a right.

Stratovarious
04-11-2019, 06:48 PM
https://www.npr.org/2019/04/11/712121425/trump-signs-executive-orders-in-push-to-make-it-easier-to-build-oil-and-gas-pipe

States rights don't matter.



More at link.

Come on ZIPPY , a little pipeline isn't going to corrupt your water, what a phony excuse to
shut down our energy sector, in fact this would also fall under the 'Commerce Clause' , the
states shouldn't interfere with that either, not in the name of 'clean water' . pahleezzzz..........

Clean Water Act
:frog:

Krugminator2
04-11-2019, 06:55 PM
States rights don't matter.




That's right. They don't. Because states don't have rights. If a state makes a law banning guns, the Constitution trumps that. If a state tries to restrict your property rights in building a pipeline on private land, the 14th Amendment trumps state law.

Using executive orders to increase freedom is always a good thing.

Zippyjuan
04-11-2019, 07:00 PM
That's right. They don't. Because states don't have rights. If a state makes a law banning guns, the Constitution trumps that. If a state tries to restrict your property rights in building a pipeline on private land, the 14th Amendment trumps state law.

Using executive orders to increase freedom is always a good thing.

14th Amendment says nothing about that. https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv


Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several states according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the executive and judicial officers of a state, or the members of the legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such state, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such state.

Section 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4.
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any state shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section 5.
The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

Might try the Tenth: https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/amendments/amendment-x


The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

A Son of Liberty
04-12-2019, 04:30 AM
States don't have rights. People do.

It makes about as much sense ascribing rights to states as it would to ascribe them to unicorns.

RJB
04-12-2019, 06:02 AM
Hey Zip. I thought that anyone who mentioned states rights was pro slavery. When did you become pro slavery?

Krugminator2
04-12-2019, 10:15 AM
14th Amendment says nothing about that. https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv





Actually it does. In fact, it is the most important part of the 14th Amendment. Courts use the 14th Amendment to overturn states that won't to deprive people of same sex marriage and abortion. Fine. I (and libertarian legal scholars) believe the same reasoning should be used to overturn virtually every regulation. This is especially bad because it isn't even a regulation. It is just state governments arbitrarily restricting property rights.

"No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."