Bernie Sanders: Felons Should Be Able To Vote From Prison

[Swordsmyth]

Bernie Sanders thinks that convicted felons in prison should have the right to vote.
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During a Saturday town hall meeting in Muscatine, Iowa's West Middle School gymnasium, the independent Senator from Vermont was asked whether imprisoned people should have the right to vote. At present, felons in Maine and Vermont can vote from prison.
"I think that is absolutely the direction we should go," said Sanders, adding "In my state, what we do is separate. You’re paying a price, you committed a crime, you’re in jail. That's bad."


"But you’re still living in American society and you have a right to vote. I believe in that, yes, I do."


More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-07/bernie-sanders-felons-should-be-able-vote-prison

[TheTexan]

The people in prison gave up the right to vote when they disrespected the great laws of this nation by smoking/dealing the drugs that got them into prison to begin with.

[tod evans]

Who better to vote against the prosecutorial state?

[Swordsmyth]

Who better to vote against the prosecutorial state?
They tend to vote for bigger government to give them free stuff and to disarm their victims.

[Stratovarious]

Bernie looks like he got in a fight with Harry Reid, or Harry's bro.

[phill4paul]

16 yr. olds, illegals and convicts. The Dems are going full bore into socialism and democratic rule. Kiss this Republic good-bye. Once the destroy the Electoral college it's game over.

[specsaregood]

They tend to vote for bigger government to give them free stuff and to disarm their victims.

At the same time, they are counted in the census as residing at the prison rather than where they were from/family lives. This inflates the population of the generally rural areas where prisons are located and misallocates representation and funding.

[Stratovarious]

The people in prison gave up the right to vote when they disrespected the great laws of this nation by smoking/dealing the drugs that got them into prison to begin with.

They already have more rights in Prison then they do on the street.

I say give them big screen TV's call it a day.

[TheTexan]

illegals and convicts

Prison is full of all kind of degenerates, but they are mostly drug users/dealers, tax evaders, and people with illegal weapons.

Exactly the kind of people that shouldn't be voting.

[Anti Globalist]

What an idiot. Can't believe people actually like this guy.

[oyarde]

Two states allow this freely .Others allow it of people in county jails . In my state they are allowed once they are no longer an inmate . I think only about a dozen states no longer let felons vote once they are no longer on parole or probation , maybe even just 10 .

[oyarde]

If I recall , 2 1/2 percent of the population . I think it would be more important they would be allowed to arm themselves once sentence is complete than vote . They are not tax payers so ..... personally I do not care if non contributors can vote , that is probably how this country got so fucked up in the past 106 years or so .

[oyarde]

Look at how retarded people are in the state that votes for bernie .

[oyarde]

I could probably live with it if voting was restricted to business owners , property owners , military and those that pay in more tax than they receive .......

[Anti Federalist]

What an idiot. Can't believe people actually like this guy.

Like?

Bernie and Buttplug 2020.

Say hello to your new president.

[Anti Federalist]

16 yr. olds, illegals and convicts. The Dems are going full bore into socialism and democratic rule. Kiss this Republic good-bye. Once the destroy the Electoral college it's game over.

Yea, it's pretty much game over.

[Swordsmyth]

Like?

Bernie and Buttplug 2020.

Say hello to your new president.

Not gonna happen.

[Swordsmyth]

Yea, it's pretty much game over.

If it comes to that we can still kick over the table.

[Anti Federalist]

Not gonna happen.

You sound like Mrs. AF.

I suspect that both of you are too insulated by the echo chamber.

[tod evans]

They tend to vote for bigger government to give them free stuff and to disarm their victims.

Not that I've observed.

Are you relying on "statistics" or your own observations?

[Swordsmyth]

Not that I've observed.

Are you relying on "statistics" or your own observations?
Some of each.

[tod evans]

Some of each.

Here in the Ozarks I haven't met any ex-cons who want bigger government or more laws, not a one..

You must be in some metroplex.

[Swordsmyth]

Here in the Ozarks I haven't met any ex-cons who want bigger government or more laws, not a one..

You must be in some metroplex.
It was a suburban area that I no longer live in.

But most incarcerated individuals do come from the big cities.

[oyarde]

Not that I've observed.

Are you relying on "statistics" or your own observations?

Sanders is just fishing for more young black male votes . Here it is doubtful most young white males who have had to do time for drugs are voters anyway . Who knows .

[phill4paul]

Yea, it's pretty much game over.

The socialists played the long game. They took over the indoctrination of this nations youth. Now it's coming to fruition. With every year conservative numbers dwindle due to loss and attrition. You and I might be able to influence a handful. A teacher has 30 at a sitting of undivided attention.

[Anti Federalist]

Not that I've observed.

Are you relying on "statistics" or your own observations?

From the convicts that I know and have talked about it, it's roughly half and half.

A quick look at things would indicate that most convicts and ex-cons would vote leftist, just based on the fact that 60 percent of prisoners are black or Hispanic, who vote en-bloc for leftist candidates as a whole.

[tod evans]

It was a suburban area that I no longer live in.

But most incarcerated individuals do come from the big cities.


And "most" big cities vote democrat so attributing such behavior to incarceration doesn't really make sense.

I'll stick to my opinion that prison turns more people off to big government than it turns on.....

[tod evans]

From the convicts that I know and have talked about it, it's roughly half and half.

A quick look at things would indicate that most convicts and ex-cons would vote leftist, just based on the fact that 60 percent of prisoners are black or Hispanic, who vote en-bloc for leftist candidates as a whole.

Even blacks and Hispanics can deduce that more government isn't good for them, doesn't mean they'll vote sensibly but it means they understand the consequences of funding the beast.

[Swordsmyth]

And "most" big cities vote democrat so attributing such behavior to incarceration doesn't really make sense.

I'll stick to my opinion that prison turns more people off to big government than it turns on.....
Criminals like free stuff, it makes sense that they would vote for it and when the Demoncrats are also the party of being soft on crime (including things that should be crimes) it only makes sense that they would vote for them, it also makes sense to deny them the vote, even if you want to let them vote when they serve their time it is absurd to let them vote during their punishment.

[Anti Federalist]

The socialists played the long game. They took over the indoctrination of this nations youth. Now it's coming to fruition. With every year conservative numbers dwindle due to loss and attrition. You and I might be able to influence a handful. A teacher has 30 at a sitting of undivided attention.

And then consider that teacher has access to those children five days a week, for roughly 3/4 a year, compulsory attendance required by law.

So they have access to basically every kid in America, outside the five percent or so of refuseniks.

[Anti Federalist]

And "most" big cities vote democrat so attributing such behavior to incarceration doesn't really make sense.

I'll stick to my opinion that prison turns more people off to big government than it turns on.....

Let's hope so, but I don't think that's how it will work out.

Hard to tell, since I don't think there is hard data on this yet.

Gives you an idea of where I sense danger.

I have no issue at all with ex-prisoners having their right to keep and bear arms fully restored.

[oyarde]

What an idiot. Can't believe people actually like this guy.

It gives you good perspective of the state of things and that general geographic area as well .

[RJB]

Even blacks and Hispanics can deduce that more government isn't good for them, doesn't mean they'll vote sensibly but it means they understand the consequences of funding the beast.
Most of the people I know who served hard time are some of the biggest dumb asses that I have ever met.

[Swordsmyth]

Let's hope so, but I don't think that's how it will work out.

Hard to tell, since I don't think there is hard data on this yet.

Gives you an idea of where I sense danger.

I have no issue at all with ex-prisoners having their right to keep and bear arms fully restored.
Same here.
Felons have proven that their character is flawed but all humans have a right to arms for their defense.

Taking guns away from felons for life has NOT made violent crime decrease.

[Swordsmyth]

Most of the people I know who served hard time are some of the biggest dumb asses that I have ever met.

One of my cousins is the perfect example of that.

[TheTexan]

We made a mistake once already when we decided to let women vote.

Let's not make that same mistake again with convicted felons.

[phill4paul]

And then consider that teacher has access to those children five days a week, for roughly 3/4 a year, compulsory attendance required by law.

So they have access to basically every kid in America, outside the five percent or so of refuseniks.

Yup. And with the mortar board hat and diploma comes a voting socialist. We could point to the War of Northern Federalism as the end of this Republic. And it sure did a hell of a job. But, the Federal compulsory school system is what really did it in. Took awhile. when I was in high school in the early '80's the only liberals were the English teacher, drama teacher (the same person) and French language teacher. I don't think there is a single conservative in public education anymore.

[Swordsmyth]

We made a mistake once already when we decided to let women vote.

Let's not make that same mistake again with convicted felons.
I'm not sure if you are joking but it's true, it was even worse when the voting age was lowered to 18.

[TheCount]

They tend to vote for bigger government to give them free stuff and to disarm their victims.

That describes you.

[invisible]

Here in the Ozarks I haven't met any ex-cons who want bigger government or more laws, not a one..

You must be in some metroplex.

What else could you possibly expect from police state shylls? It's just yet more us vs them scapegoating propaganda.

[Swordsmyth]

That describes you.

LOL

Your lies get more desperate all the time.

[Swordsmyth]

What else could you possibly expect from police state shylls? It's just yet more us vs them scapegoating propaganda.
I'll scapegoat people who vote for big government, they are responsible for our situation.

[Origanalist]

Criminals like free stuff, it makes sense that they would vote for it and when the Demoncrats are also the party of being soft on crime (including things that should be crimes) it only makes sense that they would vote for them, it also makes sense to deny them the vote, even if you want to let them vote when they serve their time it is absurd to let them vote during their punishment.

You managed to completely walk around what he posted without addressing it. Nice job.

[Swordsmyth]

You managed to completely walk around what he posted without addressing it. Nice job.

I did address it, the cities have more criminals and criminals can't be trusted with the power of government.
It's not that criminals tend to come from cities, it's that city people have a higher rate of criminal tendencies, that's why they overwhelmingly vote for big government, even the ones that don't commit felonies are just using government to commit crimes for them.
We may not be able to ban city people from voting and we may not be able to ban liberals from voting but we can certainly ban those who have demonstrated the extremity of their moral deficiency by becoming felons from voting, even if you want to let hem vote after they finish their sentences it is insanity to allow them to vote during their incarceration.

[invisible]

I'll scapegoat people who vote for big government, they are responsible for our situation.

Constantly shylling for the police state IS shylling for big government. And of course, we have our typical collectivist litany of the usual scapegoats:
socialists!
non-whites!
demoncrats!
Be afraid, so very afraid! Only big government police state authoritarianism can save us from these horrible groups of people! Oh noes!

[Swordsmyth]

Constantly shylling for the police state IS shylling for big government.
Too bad I don't do that.



And of course, we have our typical collectivist litany of the usual scapegoats:
socialists!
They don't exist? or they aren't the enemy?
Either way you are wrong.



non-whites!
That is a lie, I have never made it about race.



demoncrats!
The same thing as socialists.


Be afraid, so very afraid! Only big government police state authoritarianism can save us from these horrible groups of people! Oh noes!
Only small government that performs its legitimate functions can.



Letting the big government lovers take over is NOT going to get rid of big government or limit its growth.

[Origanalist]

I did address it, the cities have more criminals and criminals can't be trusted with the power of government.
It's not that criminals tend to come from cities, it's that city people have a higher rate of criminal tendencies, that's why they overwhelmingly vote for big government, even the ones that don't commit felonies are just using government to commit crimes for them.
We may not be able to ban city people from voting and we may not be able to ban liberals from voting but we can certainly ban those who have demonstrated the extremity of their moral deficiency by becoming felons from voting, even if you want to let hem vote after they finish their sentences it is insanity to allow them to vote during their incarceration.

You still tap danced right around it, l o fucking l. If you took every criminal out of the cities they would still voted mostly democrat.

[Swordsmyth]

You still tap danced right around it, l o $#@!ing l. If you took every criminal out of the cities they would still voted mostly democrat.
I addressed that, city people have criminal tendencies, even those that don't commit felonies, but because they don't cross the line and commit felonies we can't bar them from voting.

[Origanalist]

I addressed that, city people have criminal tendencies, even those that don't commit felonies, but because they don't cross the line and commit felonies we can't bar them from voting.

Oh, I see. So my brother, who lives in the city and runs a auto repair business there plus half ownership of a plumbing business has criminal tendencies. You really are a special kind of stupid.

[Swordsmyth]

Oh, I see. So my brother, who lives in the city and runs a auto repair business there plus half ownership of a plumbing business has criminal tendencies. You really are a special kind of stupid.
I don't know your brother and I didn't say that every individual who lived in a city followed the trend but if your brother is not part of the trend (and I will give him credit for not being part of it) then there are far more people with criminal tendencies around him then there would be if he lived outside the city.

Facts are facts, the cities are full of socialists and socialism is a manifestation of criminal tendencies.

[Origanalist]

I don't know your brother and I didn't say that every individual who lived in a city followed the trend but if your brother is not part of the trend (and I will give him credit for not being part of it) then there are far more people with criminal tendencies around him then there would be if he lived outside the city.

Facts are facts, the cities are full of socialists and socialism is a manifestation of criminal tendencies.

Ahem.....


city people have criminal tendencies, even those that don't commit felonies

You didn't say a lot, you didn't even say most. You just said they all have criminal tendencies. Here is where a honest and honorable man would admit he made a false statement, but I'm not expecting that.

[Swordsmyth]

Ahem.....



You didn't say a lot, you didn't even say most. You just said they all have criminal tendencies. Here is where a honest and honorable man would admit he made a false statement, but I'm not expecting that.
I can discuss trends without making a legal disclaimer every time.

I did NOT say "ALL city people have criminal tendencies".

[Origanalist]

I can discuss trends without making a legal disclaimer every time.

I did NOT say "ALL city people have criminal tendencies".

Yep, I called it.

[Swordsmyth]

Yep, I called it.
You are the one who made a false statement.

"City people have criminal tendencies" is not the same as "ALL city people have criminal tendencies".

Here is where a honest and honorable man would admit he made a false statement, but I'm not expecting that.

[Origanalist]

You are the one who made a false statement.

"City people have criminal tendencies" is not the same as "ALL city people have criminal tendencies".

Here is where a honest and honorable man would admit he made a false statement, but I'm not expecting that.

So, you point the finger at someone and accuse them of doing what you did. Are you a Clinton? It is the same, it's not my problem you're incapable of admitting when you're wrong.

[TheTexan]

Let's hope so, but I don't think that's how it will work out.

Hard to tell, since I don't think there is hard data on this yet.

Gives you an idea of where I sense danger.

I have no issue at all with ex-prisoners having their right to keep and bear arms fully restored.

Makes sense. Guns are basically useless outside of hunting, whereas voting on the other hand is very dangerous in the wrong hands.

[Swordsmyth]

So, you point the finger at someone and accuse them of doing what you did. Are you a Clinton? It is the same, it's not my problem you're incapable of admitting when you're wrong.
I made no false statement, "city people have criminal tendencies" is not an absolute statement, you added the word "all" which I did not use and claimed I used it because you wanted to distract from my point and claim I made a false statement, that was a false statement.

You accused me of doing what you did and now you accuse me of accusing you of doing something I did.
Are you a Clinton?

[Origanalist]

I made no false statement, "city people have criminal tendencies" is not an absolute statement, you added the word "all" which I did not use and claimed I used it because you wanted to distract from my point and claim I made a false statement, that was a false statement.

You accused me of doing what you did and now you accuse me of accusing you of doing something I did.
Are you a Clinton?


"city people have criminal tendencies" is not an absolute statement

Yes it is, get help. You need it.

[Swordsmyth]

Yes it is, get help. You need it.

No, it isn't, it is a general statement, that's why the word "all" exists, adding it on the front makes it an absolute statement.

Get help. You need it.

[invisible]

An actual Ron Paul supporter would be talking about how the average person commits 3 felonies day, and the need to reduce government and repeal laws. Someone shylling for an expansion of the police state would make collectivist arguments about stripping voting rights away from groups of people that they scapegoat.

[Anti Federalist]

An actual Ron Paul supporter would be talking about how the average person commits 3 felonies day, and the need to reduce government and repeal laws. Someone shylling for an expansion of the police state would make collectivist arguments about stripping voting rights away from groups of people that they scapegoat.

Explain to me how to reduce government and repeal laws, when more and more people that are in favor of more government and more laws are added to the voter rolls every single day.

I'm serious...give me an answer to that question.

[Philhelm]

16 yr. olds, illegals and convicts. The Dems are going full bore into socialism and democratic rule. Kiss this Republic good-bye. Once the destroy the Electoral college it's game over.

That's when the game truly begins.

[Brian4Liberty]

Bernie Sanders thinks that convicted felons in prison should have the right to vote.

During a Saturday town hall meeting in Muscatine, Iowa's West Middle School gymnasium, the independent Senator from Vermont was asked whether imprisoned people should have the right to vote. At present, felons in Maine and Vermont can vote from prison.
"I think that is absolutely the direction we should go," said Sanders, adding "In my state, what we do is separate. You’re paying a price, you committed a crime, you’re in jail. That's bad."


"But you’re still living in American society and you have a right to vote. I believe in that, yes, I do."

More at: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-07/bernie-sanders-felons-should-be-able-vote-prison

Sounds like pandering to me. The ignorance of the average voter is astounding, prisoner or not. The case can be made that current prisoners should not be able to vote, for a variety of reasons. Once they are out, their voting rights should be restored. From the left’s perspective, they really want this, as they essentially have a captive group of people who will be forced to vote. They will not be going to vote on their own initiative. Their goal has long been to get the most ignorant voters possible, thus programs such as motor-voter laws. And this idea.


Sanders is just fishing for more young black male votes . Here it is doubtful most young white males who have had to do time for drugs are voters anyway . Who knows .

And that. Pandering to the SJW left.

[Influenza]

Look at how retarded people are in the state that votes for bernie .
average IQ:
4. Vermont 103.8
19. Indiana 101.7

[RJB]

average IQ:
4. Vermont 103.8
19. Indiana 101.7

IQ is racist. Didn't your TV tell you that?

[Anti Federalist]

Explain to me how to reduce government and repeal laws, when more and more people that are in favor of more government and more laws are added to the voter rolls every single day.

I'm serious...give me an answer to that question.

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[specsaregood]

average IQ:
4. Vermont 103.8
19. Indiana 101.7

State: white%
VT: 94.9%
IN: 84.2%

just saying.... maybe IQ is racist

[Anti Federalist]

State: white%
VT: 94.9%
IN: 84.2%

just saying.... maybe IQ is racist

Oh dear...

Top ten states by IQ

Massachusetts 104.3
New Hampshire 104.2
North Dakota 103.8
Vermont 103.8
Minnesota 103.7
Maine 103.4
Montana 103.4
Iowa 103.2
Connecticut 103.1
Wisconsin 102.9

Bottom Ten.

Georgia 98
Tennessee 97.7
Arkansas 97.5
Arizona 97.4
Nevada 96.5
Alabama 95.7
New Mexico 95.7
Hawaii 95.6
California 95.5
Louisiana 95.3
Mississippi 94.2

[Swordsmyth]

An actual Ron Paul supporter would be talking about how the average person commits 3 felonies day, and the need to reduce government and repeal laws. Someone shylling for an expansion of the police state would make collectivist arguments about stripping voting rights away from groups of people that they scapegoat.
:sleeping:

I support eliminating fake crimes, I always have.
That doesn't mean I have to agree with the idea of burglars, rapists, and murderers deciding who should hold office.

[Swordsmyth]

average IQ:
4. Vermont 103.8
19. Indiana 101.7
IQ is not a true measurement of of full spectrum intelligence, the world is full of intellectual idiots.

[nikcers]

Explain to me how to reduce government and repeal laws, when more and more people that are in favor of more government and more laws are added to the voter rolls every single day.

I'm serious...give me an answer to that question.
Sometimes the loud passionate minority can influence the majority especially on our system where a majority doesn't participate. I still think that Ron Paul's message was what influenced a lot of people and that's why audit the fed became more mainstream. I think they wouldn't censor Ron Paul if his message wasn't working.

[Anti Federalist]

Sometimes the loud passionate minority can influence the majority especially on our system where a majority doesn't participate. I still think that Ron Paul's message was what influenced a lot of people and that's why audit the fed became more mainstream. I think they wouldn't censor Ron Paul if his message wasn't working.

I do too.

But in our current crisis, I think the case can be made that it did not.

Over ten years of "education" and we now have open communists running for and holding office and a leftist Uni-Party with super duper majorities at all levels of government in California.

[Swordsmyth]

Sometimes the loud passionate minority can influence the majority especially on our system where a majority doesn't participate. I still think that Ron Paul's message was what influenced a lot of people and that's why audit the fed became more mainstream. I think they wouldn't censor Ron Paul if his message wasn't working.


I do too.

But in our current crisis, I think the case can be made that it did not.

Over ten years of "education" and we now have open communists running for and holding office and a leftist Uni-Party with super duper majorities at all levels of government in California.

Minorities can only influence a certain percentage of the majority and that gets smaller as the majority becomes more distant from them philosophically, if the majority becomes large enough and philosophically different enough we won't stand a chance at educating enough of them for many lifetimes.

[oyarde]

average IQ:
4. Vermont 103.8
19. Indiana 101.7

Bernie could not get elected dogcatcher in any of the three counties I own property in in Southern Indiana so those numbers are pretty useless. Looking at the number of communists and socialists here in comparison 101 must be the place to be .

[Influenza]

Bernie could not get elected dogcatcher in any of the three counties I own property in in Southern Indiana so those numbers are pretty useless.
yet you had a retard as your governor

[nikcers]

I do too.

But in our current crisis, I think the case can be made that it did not.

Over ten years of "education" and we now have open communists running for and holding office and a leftist Uni-Party with super duper majorities at all levels of government in California.

Yeah but the establishment has been propping up the communist movements as noise cancellation to censor the liberty movement so it's artificial and it highlights the fact that they have to censor Ron Paul because otherwise they can't win.

[oyarde]

yet you had a retard as your governor

We have a long history here of having governors who have been good managers of the peoples money . The state itself is fairly efficient . All the property tax money and half the state tax collected is used to run the expensive public education system . So it really does not leave a lot to run everything else . I of course would support scrapping the public education system but it is not going to happen because it is in the state constitution . I worked hard though to help get property tax capped at one percent also included in the state constitution .

[Anti Federalist]

Yeah but the establishment has been propping up the communist movements as noise cancellation to censor the liberty movement so it's artificial and it highlights the fact that they have to censor Ron Paul because otherwise they can't win.

In what way is it artificial?

That the numbers of people are not actually there, or that there may be numbers of people but they were driven to communism due to full on propaganda assault?

[Swordsmyth]

In what way is it artificial?

That the numbers of people are not actually there, or that there may be numbers of people but they were driven to communism due to full on propaganda assault?
I'd say some of both.

[phill4paul]

I do too.

But in our current crisis, I think the case can be made that it did not.

Over ten years of "education" and we now have open communists running for and holding office and a leftist Uni-Party with super duper majorities at all levels of government in California.

There was never a better time that the liberty message was promoted.

The net result is two congressmen and one Senator.

And crikets from now on.

Americunts do not want freedom and liberty. They want lightly resting chains. As long as the chains on those they oppose are heavier.

"All animals wear the collar, but some collars are lighter than others...."

[aGameOfThrones]

Puerto Rico lets prisoners vote. I would like to add that in the last 70 years only 2 Republicans have been governor for a total of 8yrs.

[TheTexan]

There was never a better time that the liberty message was promoted.

The net result is two congressmen and one Senator

And Trump also, don't forget him

[TheTexan]

Explain to me how to reduce government and repeal laws, when more and more people that are in favor of more government and more laws are added to the voter rolls every single day.

I'm serious...give me an answer to that question.

It's pretty clear that everything we've been doing isn't working.

There are several ways that history has proven to be effective, but most people here just aren't willing to do it, or even think about doing it.

For example, we could:
- run for office (as Republican of course)
- go to door to door with campaign fliers (ask Collins for tips)
- rent a blimp (super effective)
- harass media personalities on their way to their studios (effective and fun!)

There are a lot of options similar to these that we could pursue that simply aren't even up for discussion on this forum. Ideas like these aren't on this forum's "index card of acceptable opinions".

If we want our freedom, we'll have to reconsider what we are and are not willing to do, to get it.

[phill4paul]

It's pretty clear that everything we've been doing isn't working.

There are several ways that history has proven to be effective, but most people here just aren't willing to do it, or even think about doing it.

For example, we could:
- run for office (as Republican of course)
- go to door to door with campaign fliers (ask Collins for tips)
- rent a blimp (super effective)
- harass media personalities on their way to their studios (effective and fun!)

There are a lot of options similar to these that we could pursue that simply aren't even up for discussion on this forum. Ideas like these aren't on this forum's "index card of acceptable opinions".

If we want our freedom, we'll have to reconsider what we are and are not willing to do, to get it.

Viable alternatives?

[TheTexan]

Viable alternatives?

I have several viable alternatives. A drawer full of 'em, a closet with several, and a few in the garage

[phill4paul]

I have several viable alternatives. A drawer full of 'em, a closet with several, and a few in the garage

Well, that's a puzzle. I'm thinking Viagra pills or the latest voter forms. Am I close?

[TheTexan]

Well, that's a puzzle. I'm thinking Viagra pills or the latest voter forms. Am I close?

Nope! Campaign swag for the upcoming 2020 elections. So many options, so many viable alternatives!

I've got stickers, hats, yard signs, you name it.

edit: I guess I'll give you half credit, "viagra pills" is kind of close, at least in effect

[phill4paul]

Nope! Campaign swag for the upcoming 2020 elections. So many options, so many viable alternatives!

I've got stickers, hats, yard signs, you name it.

edit: I guess I'll give you half credit, "viagra pills" is kind of close, at least in effect

Schwagg. Of course. What was I thinking of. + rep(resentative).

[Anti Federalist]

Well, that's a puzzle. I'm thinking Viagra pills or the latest voter forms. Am I close?

Voting so hard.

[Anti Federalist]

Oh dear...

Top ten states by IQ

Massachusetts 104.3
New Hampshire 104.2
North Dakota 103.8
Vermont 103.8
Minnesota 103.7
Maine 103.4
Montana 103.4
Iowa 103.2
Connecticut 103.1
Wisconsin 102.9

Bottom Ten.

Georgia 98
Tennessee 97.7
Arkansas 97.5
Arizona 97.4
Nevada 96.5
Alabama 95.7
New Mexico 95.7
Hawaii 95.6
California 95.5
Louisiana 95.3
Mississippi 94.2

Oh my...

https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/2019-04-10_10-02-25.jpg?itok=N2xJNG1L

[Anti Federalist]

Importing idiots.

Literally.

https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/FT_18.09.12_ImmigrantsKeyFindings_more-than-half-refugees.png

[TheCount]

Importing idiots.

Literally.

https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/FT_18.09.12_ImmigrantsKeyFindings_more-than-half-refugees.png
I think that you posted the wrong chart. This shows national origin, not intelligence.

[Anti Federalist]

I think that you posted the wrong chart. This shows national origin, not intelligence.

It was tied to the previous chart I posted, showing average IQ by nation.

[TheCount]

It was tied to the previous chart I posted, showing average IQ by nation.
That's exactly my point, thank you.

I was curious as to how you knew that the 9,377 individuals from DRC are idiots, and your response appears to be that you came to your conclusion entirely on the basis of their group membership.

[Zippyjuan]

Somebody look up "Brain drain"? (IQ tests are biased towards white, Western education)


https://www.ceps.eu/events/quantifying-brain-drain-evidence-sub-saharan-africa


According to the latest results of the continent-wide Afrobarometer survey, more than a quarter of African citizens consider emigrating to Europe. This inclination to emigrate is particularly pronounced among the young, which translates into a risk of ‘brain drain’, the emigration of the highly-educated that depletes the stock of human capital in the sending countries.

[Anti Federalist]

That's exactly my point, thank you.

I was curious as to how you knew that the 9,377 individuals from DRC are idiots, and your response appears to be that you came to your conclusion entirely on the basis of their group membership.

Of course it's tied to their group membership, or in this case, country of origin.

I don't need to pick up a rattlesnake to know it's dangerous.

What proof do you have that they are all rocket scientists?

[TheTexan]

What proof do you have that they are all rocket scientists?

Well, they did decide to come to the US. Which by default makes them smarter than anyone who did not.

But even the smartest of DRC is probably still way dumber than anyone in America. America is pretty smart