National Treasure (warning depressing)

[voytechs]

Can you imagine how much money is $1trillion dollars that we spend a year on US empire? I bet not. I don't think most people can conceive the kind of trouble we're in as a country with $9T in debt and $60T in entitlements.


If you had gone into business on the day Jesus was born, and your business lost a million dollars a day, day in and day out, 365 days a year, it would have taken you until October 2737 to lose a trillion dollars.

And a bit more visual:
http://www.crunchweb.net/87billion/

[BillDayton]

Disgusting.

[Antonius Stone]

i wonder if 9 trillion dollars stacked could be as big as the Twin Towers.

THAT would certainly be an astonishing visual

[Mandrik]

I finished reading Blowback recently and am about halfway done with The Sorrows of Empire. I never considered myself a drone/sheep/whatever (mainly because I never bought into everything), but I never bothered to fully wake up and educate myself. The more I read about the cost of Empire the more disgusted I get.

It's taking me so long to read these books because I can only get so far before I get so damn disgusted. Plus I like to research individual topics in the book while I'm reading so I can get the full details. Again, it's disgusting. I only wish I started reading about this stuff earlier, even though I'm only 27 years old.

[noxagol]

i wonder if 9 trillion dollars stacked could be as big as the Twin Towers.

THAT would certainly be an astonishing visual

You could build all of te WTC buidings about twice with 9trillion dollars.

[MikeStanart]

You could build all of te WTC buidings about twice with 9trillion dollars.



According to:
http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/cx/?id=worldtradecenter-newyorkcity

Imagine if we Actually rebuild the twin towers though.
Construction began in 1966 and costs were an estimated $1.5 billion.

With Inflation today; You could easily Rebuild Twin Towers 1,000 times over. with 9 Trillion Dollars.

[Antonius Stone]

According to:
http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/cx/?id=worldtradecenter-newyorkcity

Imagine if we Actually rebuild the twin towers though.
Construction began in 1966 and costs were an estimated $1.5 billion.

With Inflation today; You could easily Rebuild Twin Towers 1,000 times over. with 9 Trillion Dollars.

does that take into account inflation?

[noxagol]

According to:
http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/cx/?id=worldtradecenter-newyorkcity

Imagine if we Actually rebuild the twin towers though.
Construction began in 1966 and costs were an estimated $1.5 billion.

With Inflation today; You could easily Rebuild Twin Towers 1,000 times over. with 9 Trillion Dollars.

I mean, rebuild them physically with stacks of one dollar bills.

[apc3161]

i wonder if 9 trillion dollars stacked could be as big as the Twin Towers.

THAT would certainly be an astonishing visual

I just did the calculations...

assuming 1 bill is 0.1mm thick (about right)

You could stack 9 trillions dollars on top of each other, and it would be high enough to go to the moon and back, i.e one trip to and from.

Math

(9 x 10^12 bills) x (1 x 10^-4 meter/bill) = (9 x 10 ^ 8 meters)

distance to moon = 3.84 x 10 ^ 8 meters

9 / 3.84 = 2.34

So you could go to the moon and back 1.17 times (2.34/ 2 ) if you stacked up 9 trillion dollars.

[Antonius Stone]

I just did the calculations...

assuming 1 bill is 0.1mm thick (about right)

You could stack 9 trillions dollars on top of each other, and it would be high enough to go to the moon and back, i.e one trip to and from.

Math

(9 x 10^12 bills) x (1 x 10^-4 meter/bill) = (9 x 10 ^ 8 meters)

distance to moon = 3.84 x 10 ^ 8 meters

9 / 3.84 = 2.34

So you could go to the moon and back 1.17 times (2.34/ 2 ) if you stacked up 9 trillion dollars.

thats just stacking them, that doesn't take into account the fact that the WTC towers were several acres in length and width in addition to being so many thousands of feet tall

but i digress, after all you ARE doing that math because i'm too lazy to, lol

[V4Vendetta]

Its really hard to even wrap your head around a number that big.

[coboman]

Easier to understand for the layman:

USA has 300,000,000 (300 million) citizens. Men, women, child, babies, aliens, etc.

Their share of 9,000,000,000,000 (9 trillion) is 30,000 per individual.

The share of a family of 5, is 150,000 dollars.

Simply put: YOUR FAMILY OWS $150,000.00

[adpierce]

Easier to understand for the layman:

USA has 300,000,000 (300 million) citizens. Men, women, child, babies, aliens, etc.

Their share of 9,000,000,000,000 (9 trillion) is 30,000 per individual.

The share of a family of 5, is 150,000 dollars.

Simply put: YOUR FAMILY OWS $150,000.00

Sick

[Revolution9]

Easier to understand for the layman:

USA has 300,000,000 (300 million) citizens. Men, women, child, babies, aliens, etc.

Their share of 9,000,000,000,000 (9 trillion) is 30,000 per individual.

The share of a family of 5, is 150,000 dollars.

Simply put: YOUR FAMILY OWS $150,000.00

The Federal Reserve owes. I ain't paying their IOU. Shit happens when you play with books and print money for close to one hundred years based on fraud ab initio. Every positive fiat ledger entry becomes negative and somebody owes on that embezzlement

Best Regards
Randy

[Menthol Patch]

Now is the time we can protest huge government spending by going ALL OUT to raise 10 million dollars in ONE DAY for Ron Paul!

http://www.teaparty07.com

[seapilot]

The 9 trillion debt would be like 28 Eiffel towers made out of solid gold.

[apc3161]

Also, in defense of the government, the government debt is only around 4.7 trillion.

Almost half of that 9 trillion dollar debt is owed by private individuals, corporations, etc. 9 trillion is the debt of the US as a whole, not the government.

And you can't get mad at individuals and corporations for having debt, that is their choice.

[amonasro]

It's like taking the red pill instead of the blue... or blue instead of the red, I can't remember :)

But yeah, I get depressed a lot when I research problems we are having as a country. I don't even want to think of the impending financial crisis if RP doesn't get elected. I'll be starting a family in the next 5-10 years and it makes me more than a little upset.

[kotetu]

This $315 billion pile is 125 feet wide, 200 feet deep, and 450 feet tall:
http://www.crunchweb.net/87billion/thirteen.jpg

So the tower of money spent on our world empire is more than 3 times as high as the one depicted here. 1428 feet tall, 125 feet wide, 200 feet deep, to be precise.

[kotetu]

The 9 trillion debt would be like 28 Eiffel towers made out of solid gold.

$9T would buy 11,250,000,000 troy ounces of gold, which is 320,434.5 pounds or 145,346.7 kilograms.

The Eiffel Tower weighs 7,000 tons, or 14,000 pounds.

That means this amount of debt can only build 22.9 Eiffel Towers made of gold.

Get your facts straight before posting seapilot. :P

:D <- not really something to smile about I guess!

[apc3161]

$9T would buy 11,250,000,000 troy ounces of gold, which is 320,434.5 pounds or 145,346.7 kilograms.

The Eiffel Tower weighs 7,000 tons, or 14,000 pounds.

That means this amount of debt can only build 22.9 Eiffel Towers made of gold.

Get your facts straight before posting seapilot. :P

:D <- not really something to smile about I guess!

He probably got that statistic from a time when gold was cheaper...

[Nicketas]

Let's all buy cookies!

[Daveforliberty]

$9T would buy 11,250,000,000 troy ounces of gold, which is 320,434.5 pounds or 145,346.7 kilograms.

The Eiffel Tower weighs 7,000 tons, or 14,000 pounds.

That means this amount of debt can only build 22.9 Eiffel Towers made of gold.

Get your facts straight before posting seapilot. :P

:D <- not really something to smile about I guess!

Ummm... I thought 7,000 tons was 14,000,000 pounds.

[Dave Pedersen]

pfftt it's just fake money. Don't worry too much about it. Soon nobody will want it anyway. We have to get back to bullion and disempower the elitists once and for all.

All that "money" is "owed" to a bunch of elitists crooks anyway. Don't worry about it. The only concern is that if this is not properly corrected it could collapse and leave us without the electricity grid. So then we certainly do need Ron Paul to lead the way to constructive changes.

[Daveforliberty]

Somebody please check it:

$9T would buy 11,250,000,000 troy ounces of gold at $800 per ounce.

A pound is 12 troy ounces, so $9T would buy 937,500,000 pounds of gold.

The Eiffel Tower weighs 14,000,000 pounds (7000 tons).

You could make almost 67 solid gold Eiffel Towers out of $9 trillion dollars.

[Arek]

It really is sad, I think we ought call on the federal Reserve's debt. Call on their monopoly of bankrupting our once great nation. Make the bankers pay their fair share. Also I don't think private corporate debt ought to be included in the nations debt, but then again government does want involved in everything.