The MIAC report ten years later, and the utter failure of the "liberty movement"...

[Anti Federalist]

Here we are, ten years later...almost to the day.

I just re-read that entire thread exposing the MIAC document and I came across the post I have quoted below. (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?183388-Missouri-Police-Report-RP-supporters-Libertarians-anti-NWO-movement-are-TERRORISTS)

And it hit me, like a ton of bricks, how utterly overpowered we have been by our enemies.

SPLC is now a multi billion dollar juggernaut, not only fully entrenched within government at all levels, but also with trans national data and media companies, declaring who will even get a chance to speak.

Government surveillance is now light years ahead of this, frankly, amateurish and ham fisted profiling attempt. Government watches everything you do, say, spend, travel, work, walk, talk, eat, sleep and shit and in full co-ordination and co-operation with the same trans-national banking and media companies, acquires a dossier and dang-an on your life that knows what you are going to do before you do it.

The political realm has now been taken over by avowed communists, no longer even trying to keep up any pretenses of who and what they are, who have made it their mission to remove "us" from the public square, by any means necessary, up to and including actual, for real, genocide.

Long gone RPF member Doktor Jeep describes in this post what had to be done.

And we failed to do it.

"Love" and "finding common ground" and "peaceful revolution"...all of that was hogwash, bullshit, weasel words for us to mutter to one another because we lacked the guts and will to do what needed to be done when there was a slight, oh so slight, chance of victory.

And now we're, quite literally I believe, looking at the very real possibility of extermination at the hands of leftist mobs of Jacobins and Bolsheviks and wondering just what the fuck happened...or at least I am. The speed of this disintegration has been stunning.

Well...we failed...that's what happened.

And because of our failure, we, meaning "liberty folks" of the "old order"...we'll be lucky to survive what is coming.

God damn us all, myself included.


Remember folks.

This revolution, calling for an end to the Fed, the IRS, the warfare and welfare states - you are calling for the end of a system that is fostered and run by people who would kill you for money.

Those fat cats, globalists, and whatever else you want to call them: they kill for money and power.

It's hard for someone who lives on the principles of wanting to be left alone and willing to do the same to fathom or understand the kind of mind that wants power and money.

We can marvel at this, these people, who have enough money to fly their helicopters over our traffic jams, don't have to eat the poison we are stuck with in our supermarkets, can live in their mansions in their private little islands.... I can go on.

What is it then, that while they have it all, they keep wanting to take and take and take.

Understand that, and you understand what you are really dealing with. Some dare call it evil, others call it greed. It makes as much sense as a gambling addiction: "Why?". But nobody calls the personality of a plutocrat to be a disorder - yet.

These are people who will start a war in a small country and kill tens of thousands so they can get an oil pipeline or take over the drug operations there.

These are people who will (and have) paid farmers to plow crops under to keep prices up, and the power of their fiat money, while people starved to death (this was in the USA, by the way).

These are people who run a black op government, a pit of lies so deep they even lose themselves in it, for killing stealing, and to relish in it.

So what makes you think you are automatically safe from them because all you did was politely ask for your freedom back? What makes you think you would not be a target when you demand real money - the kind that they cannot maintain power over? What makes you think you would not be demonized when you ask to keep what money you have when they rely on it to keep their system rolling? What would the drug dealer in your town do to you if you tried to get drugs legalized? Get the picture?

Their system is going bankrupt, their legitimacy is going with it. It's no longer just a few living thinking Paulians and libertarians in a world of brainless consumer zombies.

There are a lot of theives and murderers in their smokey backrooms, getting scared.

And they have good reason to be.

And the so-called "militia" they are afraid of, they are more afraid of that militia than anything else. But not for what that militia can do. In fact, that militia, alone, cannot do anything. Even worse, that militia is not trained well enough - or not "well regulated". It's not "Bubba and his SKS" they are afraid of.

That militia needs the activists, the legal eagles, and the philosophers. They need the militia. Most of them are the militia. The militia are also activists when you consider that war is diplomacy by other means. When the choice is comply and starve, or do not comply and be arrested or killed, then someone is going to die anyway.

Because the 3 latter elements are what a real movement towards freedom needs. Militia are just guys with guns, mostly. Ask anyone who considered himself "militia" over the years or in some respect beyond what George Mason would say it is, and he will say he is not surprised at this MIAC fiasco.

But here is the funny part: most of them would have never put a Ron Paul bumper sticker on his car anyway. They know this game - the rest of you are learning it. This is an old game. There is a long list of people who did demand their liberty and got nailed to the wall for it.

You want to know what stands between the plutocrats and their power?

It's not the militia.

It's you. All of you.

If they can get you to run from, or abandon the militia concept, chase the gun owners out of the CFL and other groups, and have the rest of you constantly being apologetic for your views, starting every article or point with "Well, I'm not for condoning violence but....". Then you all will spend your entire lives, or the rest of it, going nowhere. One ignored petition after the other, one ignored - if not smeared and ridiculed - candidate after the other. And when you are old and gray, if you are allowed to live that long under socialist health care, you will look back to a life of failure.

Will you fail to realize it, like all those McCain supporters and useless GOP hacks who worked against us?

Or will you accept it?

But what, then, are the plutocrats most afraid of?

There is a punchline coming, so pay attention.

The "militia", I put it in quotes because I lean more towards the George Mason concept that it's everybody, but there are people who are above and beyond that concept, knows better than to engage the minions in the field.

Yes you see, the upper echelons of the militia, those people who have more than just a rifle and a voter registration card, know better than to engage the minions.


Here is the punchline:


They write these papers to make sure the minions are the ones thinking they are the target of this so-called militia, so they are led to engage them first, but on behalf of the plutocrats. The cops, soldiers, agents, have to live in this country too. Their kids are just as screwed as anyone elses. The MIAC document is more intended to screw with their heads than screw with yours. If it screws with yours it's just a bonus.

But the idea is to have them thinking they are the target, and the victim, and act in kind. What folly we have seen so far in this culture, where people are shot dead when unarmed for making a fast move like blocking a bright light in their face or reaching for drivers license.


You see, if YOU do your job, the militia can do it's job - which is to defend liberty. Right now, there is nothing for any militia to do, other than make the enemy think twice before going total tyranny. That is, they(the tyrants) have to take time to lie about what they are doing, lest the tyrants look like tyrants which is what they cannot afford to do. They need to run this country like a concentration camp, while we got people looking about for real camps. When you claim this country is a prison, people don't see barbed wire and guard dogs, so they think you are a nut, in spite of all the facts behind your points.

So why lump peaceful activists in with this?

This is to keep you guys from being one and the same. This tactic was successfully done with gun control in the early 90s, as an example. When they managed to seperate the hunters and "golfers with guns" from the people who kept evil black rifles for the implication of the seconds amendment, it became possible to get that level of gun control they sought. For a short time, anyway.

If they get the armed men, the riflemen, out standing alone as a separate movement to be demonized, set up, and destroyed, just as they did in the 90s, they can finally destroy the militia that exists under 2A and condemn the rest of you to a lifestyle of having only enough freedom to complain about not having freedom.

Some of you took the bait. On some of you that worked.

Now, they want everybody engaging their minions, the brainwashed police mostly, by having their minions in a state of hyperventilating hysterics so much that they can cause an incident. Of course the militia, already knowing this game, will not take this bait. This was already tried over Ed Brown in NH. Remember how the marshalls fretted over the militia threat, then put agents out in the open with light armor and a nylon gazebo. But the militia in NH did not take the bait. Provokers unleashed all over the internet wailed an gnashed their teeth over them "not doing anything", as if they should just start the shooting, but as scripture says, wisdom is always better than weapons of war.

Now, if you all do your job, the militia can do it's job. And that job has two parts:

1. When the leviathan is starting to get beaten in it's own courts, in it's own media, and loses all credibility, it will, again as before and with the same expectation as in Patrick Henry's "War Inevitable" speech, do what it does best. Resort to violence. They will send SWAT, the good guys will send riflemen. Any other way, and it's just another "evil white guys with guns killing poor sweet innoocent law enforcement agents!". This is so much the factor that they might produce another OKC, with the same suspiscious circumstances (that will persist in their media for 5 minutes, and then only be recalled by infowars and they will send an army of paid Sheer Coincidence Theorists to debunk the facts).
2. Once America is restored, the militia, as an enforcement wing under Article 1, Section 8, go after the plutocrats themselves and bring them back for their crimes. Yes, the fat cat will be hunted down in his compound somewhere, and brought to justice one way or the other. A real congress would see to the proper charges. This is why the militia has no intention of going toe-to-toe with the minions on their terms and getting killed now. The minions, the cops, are not operating with all of the facts. They are like trained dogs. And that dog still needs to be fed. The problem is not the cops or the military, it's the system that fills their food dish. What we are seeing in how they act is exactly how people act when given authority without responsibility. History is full of such results, and rather than attempt to beat human nature (the failed endeavor of progressives), it's better to maintain a just system with strict rules for all parties. But the people behind it - the tyranny, win or lose, can expect to be living in an armed compound in Dubai or Bolivia for the rest of their lives.


And there you have it. If the Paulians, Reaganites, CFL, YAL, etc do their job, there will be another 1775. Not because we want it, not because we want violence or bloodshed. I think Benjamin Martin, Mel Gibson's characer in "The Patriot" detailed these implications in particular in describing that this war would affect us in such ways as being everywhere, but it's freedom we want, from an entity that does not intend to give it. Asking niceley is merely a formality that makes you look good in the history books.

The enemy kills for power and money. They always have, always will. I need not have to describe then what you have to do to keep from being subjugated by them, and to keep your money.

[timosman]

Could we consider a possibility of RPF campaign being simply sabotaged back in 2008? :confused:

[unknown]

Without a doubt, there can be no compromise on the 2A. BumpstockTrump did exactly what the Left and many on the Right want: to incrementally chip away at our rights in the absence of an event that will allow for a major infringement.

But I can empathize with and can appreciate Doktor_Jeep's frustration.

Maybe its the online groups and forums that I belong to but I still have hope.

I still see a lot of awakening especially as government grows and we continue to lose our rights under the watch of both Repubs and Dems.

We're trying to instill or revive principles of freedom and individual liberties and while this liberty stealing juggernaut of a government moves forward, I dont believe that we're unable to stop it.

We didnt choose to be libertarians, it chose us.

And once youve been chosen, theres really no stopping it. It essentially defines who we are and from there we embark on a process of growth, learning, understanding, teaching and "preaching".

I dont see the situation as a complete loss, maybe naively so, I see it as setbacks, ones that can be overcome.

[angelatc]

Could we consider a possibility of RPF campaign being simply sabotaged back in 2008? :confused:

Maybe, but the campaign was far more successful than Ron ever thought it would be, so that seems unlikely to me. I think the answer is simply what AF always says: most people don't really want freedom.

[timosman]

Maybe, but the campaign was far more successful than Ron ever thought it would be, so that seems unlikely to me. I think the answer is simply what AF always says: most people don't really want freedom.

AF is simply a defeatist. While I was able to imagine Ron as a POTUS, I've always had trouble accepting Jesse as one of the most powerful players in the nation and actually had to hold my nose. Ron needed somebody with a little bigger set of balls. Nepotism did us all in. :D

[Swordsmyth]

Maybe, but the campaign was far more successful than Ron ever thought it would be, so that seems unlikely to me. I think the answer is simply what AF always says: most people don't really want freedom.
But it could have been even more successful.
I'm not talking about Dr. Ron becoming president either, he would have been killed or impeached if he did, I'm talking about taking over a major portion of the Republican party and permanently shifting the politics of this country in the right direction.

We actually made progress towards that in 2008, it was 2012 that stopped us short of what could have been.

Now Trump as imperfect as he is is moving things more in the right direction than we did.



There is still hope AF, but we do live in a worse reality than we could have had and there will now be a worse crisis where we have a harder fight and more blood is spilled even if the best possibilities happen.

Movements need leaders, Ron was ours but he retired (and he deserved to retire), Rand was supposed to be our next leader but he never appealed to those in the movement or in the Republican voter base the way Ron did and we are effectively leaderless unless a new leader comes along.
Trump is the least of all possible goods but he IS a LEADER and until we find a better leader he is the best shot we have at making any progress.

[donnay]

I have faith in God and therefore I will always have Liberty and Freedom.

2 Corinthians 3:17 | KJV
Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

Galatians 5:1 | KJV
Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

James 1:25 | KJV
But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed

Psalm 119:45 | KJV
And I will walk at liberty: for I seek thy precepts.

[angelatc]

AF is simply a defeatist. While I was able to imagine Ron as a POTUS, I've always had trouble accepting Jesse as one of the most powerful players in the nation and actually had to hold my nose. Ron needed somebody with a little bigger set of balls. Nepotism did us all in. :D

I won't argue that point at all.

[phill4paul]

I still don't think Adam Kokesh's plan for an armed peaceful march on D.C. was wrong. Too bad there were not enough to bring it off and too many hand wringing detractors.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?413170-Adam-Kokesh-armed-march-on-DC

[juleswin]

Here we are, ten years later...almost to the day.

I just re-read that entire thread exposing the MIAC document and I came across the post I have quoted below. (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?183388-Missouri-Police-Report-RP-supporters-Libertarians-anti-NWO-movement-are-TERRORISTS)

And it hit me, like a ton of bricks, how utterly overpowered we have been by our enemies.

SPLC is now a multi billion dollar juggernaut, not only fully entrenched within government at all levels, but also with trans national data and media companies, declaring who will even get a chance to speak.

Government surveillance is now light years ahead of this, frankly, amateurish and ham fisted profiling attempt. Government watches everything you do, say, spend, travel, work, walk, talk, eat, sleep and $#@! and in full co-ordination and co-operation with the same trans-national banking and media companies, acquires a dossier and dang-an on your life that knows what you are going to do before you do it.

The political realm has now been taken over by avowed communists, no longer even trying to keep up any pretenses of who and what they are, who have made it their mission to remove "us" from the public square, by any means necessary, up to and including actual, for real, genocide.

Long gone RPF member Doktor Jeep describes in this post what had to be done.

And we failed to do it.

"Love" and "finding common ground" and "peaceful revolution"...all of that was hogwash, bull$#@!, weasel words for us to mutter to one another because we lacked the guts and will to do what needed to be done when there was a slight, oh so slight, chance of victory.

And now we're, quite literally I believe, looking at the very real possibility of extermination at the hands of leftist mobs of Jacobins and Bolsheviks and wondering just what the $#@! happened...or at least I am. The speed of this disintegration has been stunning.

Well...we failed...that's what happened.

And because of our failure, we, meaning "liberty folks" of the "old order"...we'll be lucky to survive what is coming.

God damn us all, myself included.

For one, the quest to overthrow TPTD was always a daunting task in fact I would say that it was mission impossible, chances of victory was slim to none, victory never guaranteed and anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together knew that from the get go.

Getting that out of the way, I would try and break down the relevant part of the post. Below is Doktor's description of the enemy, now ask yourself this question "Who in today's world is he describing?" and who in this frum has given up and started supporting this individual? Some of us are guilty of not fighting strong enough while other are guilty of joining forces with the enemy for personal gains at the expense of the liberty movement.




These are people who will start a war in a small country and kill tens of thousands so they can get an oil pipeline or take over the drug operations there.

These are people who will (and have) paid farmers to plow crops under to keep prices up, and the power of their fiat money, while people starved to death (this was in the USA, by the way).

These are people who run a black op government, a pit of lies so deep they even lose themselves in it, for killing stealing, and to relish in it.

The enemy kills for power and money. They always have, always will. I need not have to describe then what you have to do to keep from being subjugated by them, and to keep your money.

Also here he talks about his recommendation of what to do inorder to defeat the enemy. And here, I am not even sure we had the opportunity to do step one talkless of step two.




Now, if you all do your job, the militia can do it's job. And that job has two parts:

1. When the leviathan is starting to get beaten in it's own courts, in it's own media, and loses all credibility, it will, again as before and with the same expectation as in Patrick Henry's "War Inevitable" speech, do what it does best. Resort to violence. They will send SWAT, the good guys will send riflemen. Any other way, and it's just another "evil white guys with guns killing poor sweet innoocent law enforcement agents!". This is so much the factor that they might produce another OKC, with the same suspiscious circumstances (that will persist in their media for 5 minutes, and then only be recalled by infowars and they will send an army of paid Sheer Coincidence Theorists to debunk the facts).
2. Once America is restored, the militia, as an enforcement wing under Article 1, Section 8, go after the plutocrats themselves and bring them back for their crimes. Yes, the fat cat will be hunted down in his compound somewhere, and brought to justice one way or the other. A real congress would see to the proper charges. This is why the militia has no intention of going toe-to-toe with the minions on their terms and getting killed now. The minions, the cops, are not operating with all of the facts. They are like trained dogs. And that dog still needs to be fed. The problem is not the cops or the military, it's the system that fills their food dish. What we are seeing in how they act is exactly how people act when given authority without responsibility. History is full of such results, and rather than attempt to beat human nature (the failed endeavor of progressives), it's better to maintain a just system with strict rules for all parties. But the people behind it - the tyranny, win or lose, can expect to be living in an armed compound in Dubai or Bolivia for the rest of their lives.

You see, if YOU do your job, the militia can do it's job - which is to defend liberty. Right now, there is nothing for any militia to do, other than make the enemy think twice before going total tyranny. That is, they(the tyrants) have to take time to lie about what they are doing, lest the tyrants look like tyrants which is what they cannot afford to do. They need to run this country like a concentration camp, while we got people looking about for real camps. When you claim this country is a prison, people don't see barbed wire and guard dogs, so they think you are a nut, in spite of all the facts behind your points.


I have read this quite a few times and I couldn't really get the gist of some of the things he was saying seeing as there are some pronouns and groups mentioned in the post that I am not sure who/what he is referring to. So again I don't even think we have an opportunity to implement his plan and even if we did, there is a small chance that it would have suceeded. And talking about a concentration camp without fences, soon enough we would have real fences, guards and maybe machine gun nests at the border and prominent members of the forum will cheer this development.

Another part that jumped out at me is this paragraph.


If they can get you to run from, or abandon the militia concept, chase the gun owners out of the CFL and other groups, and have the rest of you constantly being apologetic for your views, starting every article or point with "Well, I'm not for condoning violence but....". Then you all will spend your entire lives, or the rest of it, going nowhere. One ignored petition after the other, one ignored - if not smeared and ridiculed - candidate after the other. And when you are old and gray, if you are allowed to live that long under socialist health care, you will look back to a life of failure.

Will you fail to realize it, like all those McCain supporters and useless GOP hacks who worked against us?


We have abandoned the militia and worse than that, many of us here have ended up supporting the useless GOP hacks who worked against us. The sad part is that many of these people do not even realize what they have become(not talking about the members that joined after 2016).


This is to keep you guys from being one and the same. This tactic was successfully done with gun control in the early 90s, as an example. When they managed to seperate the hunters and "golfers with guns" from the people who kept evil black rifles for the implication of the seconds amendment, it became possible to get that level of gun control they sought. For a short time, anyway.


Above, I think he is talking about a divide and conquer strategy by TPDB. Enjoyed reading the post, so thanks for posting it
Well, thats my 2 cents on the topic.

[jkr]

thanks
morris!

[Anti Federalist]

I won't argue that point at all.

I've never been accused of being sunshine and lollipops, that's for damn sure.

[angelatc]

I've never been accused of being sunshine and lollipops, that's for damn sure.

Me either. And it's getting worse as I age.

[Anti Federalist]

Me either. And it's getting worse as I age.

Tell me about it...in the same boat myself.

[TheTexan]

Violence will get us nowhere. We just need to really buckle down, tighten our belts, and just vote like really hard.

[RJB]

I remember those early days here. I would run off to other forums feeling like the Minutemen of old, spreading the word of approaching tyranny. No one cared outside of our bubble.

These days we see worse, but we have become like the frog in the slow boil.

[Pauls' Revere]

Why don't we all register Libertarian if your not already. Donate and be active there as best you can and vote for Libertarian candidates regardless. Taking the good, the bad, and the ugly of that party because its our best shot. with the goal of simply being recognized as a third party on the national stage where we can tap into federal funding to move forward.

The GOP is not going to help us, the DEMS are not going to help us. Were on our own.

I'll start with this link.
https://www.lp.org/

[TheTexan]

Why don't we all register Libertarian if your not already. Donate and be active there as best you can and vote for Libertarian candidates regardless. Taking the good, the bad, and the ugly of that party because its our best shot. with the goal of simply being recognized as a third party on the national stage where we can tap into federal funding to move forward.

The GOP is not going to help us, the DEMS are not going to help us. Were on our own.

I'll start with this link.
https://www.lp.org/

Could work. I don't think anyone has ever tried that before.

[A Son of Liberty]

Gold, Sliver, Lead.

I await the arrival of my friend Chris to tell me I'm being too cynical. ;) I pray he's right!

Libertarians don't need a leader. But converting people to libertarianism is a process which is aided tremendously by a "leader" - a media personality with reach on the scale of Trump and AOC. The Nationalists and the Socialists have these representatives, and they're drawing lines and signing recruits. We're left with wishy-washy, milquetoast GOP'ers like Rand, I'm sorry to say. This was always my problem with him - STAND FOR PRINCIPLE. Ron BREATHED FIRE into this movement. Hell, I'm HERE because of Ron. I never would have shown up if it was Rand carrying the banner. I get that he was "good enough" for those of you who were already here. But Rand didn't move the needle for those who were looking for a message. Because he didn't have a message. He had a "strategy". It's no coincidence that Bernie Sanders gained popularity in the vacuum left by Ron. When Ron fairly stepped back, Bernie stepped into the vacuum. Bernie, and Trump. The Socialists and the Nationalists. And on a separate matter, the Nationalists have taken unfortunately large pieces of territory previously held by Ron... Hello Swordsmyth, hello timosman. Again, the vacuum was filled.

The fact is, the movement needs someone on the national media radar to stand up and raise the black flag, spit into their hands and start cutting throats. Until that happens, I'm stacking gold, silver and lead and waiting for the shit to start.

[A Son of Liberty]

bump

[Gumba of Liberty]

Even if Ron had won the Republican Primary (Forget the Presidency) in 2008 they (the multinational banks, corporations, weapons manufactures, war profiteers, and deep state) would have taken him out well before election night.

The R3volution, as Ron has stated time and time again, is about changing hearts and minds (education). This doom and gloom “the state has us under their heal and there’s nothing we can do about it” fear mongering is defeatist BS. Some cold hard facts: Liberty is always under attack. Life is a struggle. There is nothing more rewarding than fighting for Liberty. You only live once.

Sons and Daughters of the R3volution should not perceive the lack of a centralized “Liberty Movement” as a failure. Instead, a blessing. The Liberty Movement is/are the remaining free men and women of America. You are your own secret weapon! Be spontaneous. Fight for freedom in creative new ways and start local! Here in NJ & PA we have (started) our resistance, in our own way: www.sonsoflibertyso.com/pdc

If anyone else in the “Liberty Movement” is fighting back in a law-abiding, productive way. We would love to hear from you (and maybe join forces)!

Because Moving > Complaining

[Anti Federalist]

Even if Ron had won the Republican Primary (Forget the Presidency) in 2008 they (the multinational banks, corporations, weapons manufactures, war profiteers, and deep state) would have taken him out well before election night.

The R3volution, as Ron has stated time and time again, is about changing hearts and minds (education). This doom and gloom “the state has us under their heal and there’s nothing we can do about it” fear mongering is defeatist BS. Some cold hard facts: Liberty is always under attack. Life is a struggle. There is nothing more rewarding than fighting for Liberty. You only live once.

Sons and Daughters of the R3volution should not perceive the lack of a centralized “Liberty Movement” as a failure. Instead, a blessing. The Liberty Movement is/are the remaining free men and women of America. You are your own secret weapon! Be spontaneous. Fight for freedom in creative new ways and start local! Here in NJ & PA we have (started) our resistance, in our own way: www.sonsoflibertyso.com/pdc

If anyone else in the “Liberty Movement” is fighting back in a law-abiding, productive way. We would love to hear from you (and maybe join forces)!

Because Moving > Complaining

So we should fight for liberty in a "law abiding" way, by following the laws of a murderous regime that would kill a duly and properly and democratically elected president?

Got it...

[juleswin]

Even if Ron had won the Republican Primary (Forget the Presidency) in 2008 they (the multinational banks, corporations, weapons manufactures, war profiteers, and deep state) would have taken him out well before election night.

The R3volution, as Ron has stated time and time again, is about changing hearts and minds (education). This doom and gloom “the state has us under their heal and there’s nothing we can do about it” fear mongering is defeatist BS. Some cold hard facts: Liberty is always under attack. Life is a struggle. There is nothing more rewarding than fighting for Liberty. You only live once.

Sons and Daughters of the R3volution should not perceive the lack of a centralized “Liberty Movement” as a failure. Instead, a blessing. The Liberty Movement is/are the remaining free men and women of America. You are your own secret weapon! Be spontaneous. Fight for freedom in creative new ways and start local! Here in NJ & PA we have (started) our resistance, in our own way: www.sonsoflibertyso.com/pdc

If anyone else in the “Liberty Movement” is fighting back in a law-abiding, productive way. We would love to hear from you (and maybe join forces)!

Because Moving > Complaining

Hmm, which is it? you cannot believe TPDB would assassinate Ron Paul if he won the primary and at the same time say we should abandon the defeatist fear mongering attitude.

Also, I couldn't disagree more on the usefullness of a great leader to the movement. A good leader would help recruit/market, coordinate, galvanize and inspire the troops. The lack of leadership(Rand DOES NOT count) is one of the main reasons why you are seeing the fracturing, the lack of enthusiasm, totally disillusionment, defections to Bernie and Trump etc etc is mainly because we do not have a leader.

[Gumba of Liberty]

So we should fight for liberty in a "law abiding" way, by following the laws of a murderous regime that would kill a duly and properly and democratically elected president?

Got it...

I will. You should. The Constitution & Bill of Rights are the Rule of Law. Why would you cede language to tyrants?

[Gumba of Liberty]

Hmm, which is it? you cannot believe TPDB would assassinate Ron Paul if he won the primary and at the same time say we should abandon the defeatist fear mongering attitude.

Also, I couldn't disagree more on the usefullness of a great leader to the movement. A good leader would help recruit/market, coordinate, galvanize and inspire the troops. The reason why you are seeing the fracture, the lack of enthusiasm, totally disillusion, defections to Bernie and Trump etc etc is mainly because we do not have a leader.

You won’t be able to fight the tyrants on level ground by taking the Presidency and the Congress. They control the money (Fed), the corporate media, and the Deep State (CIA). Good, charismatic leaders will be compromised, smeard, and/or assassinated.

The Liberty Movement cannot fall back on national politics and vote their way out of this. That is a prescription for perpetual failure. The Liberty Movement must be a decentralized cultural and social movement toward independent, local living and tight knit independent communities. We must cut TBTP out of our lives, build our survival skills, buy fresh and local, and connect with patriots (including Vets & 1st Responders) that live in our areas.

The tyrants want us to be isolated and depressed. The last thing they want is a proactive, law-abiding, decentralized, leaderless movement of free men and women building their skills and intelligence, becoming self-sufficient, and boycotting their corporations and banks.

...but go ahead and keep telling yourself there’s nothing we can do.

[Anti Federalist]

I will. You should. The Constitution & Bill of Rights are the Rule of Law. Why would you cede language to tyrants?

Fair enough

[Swordsmyth]

You won’t be able to fight the tyrants on level ground by taking the Presidency and the Congress. They control the money (Fed), the corporate media, and the Deep State (CIA). Good, charismatic leaders will be compromised, smeard, and/or assassinated.

The Liberty Movement cannot fall back on national politics and vote their way out of this. That is a prescription for perpetual failure. The Liberty Movement must be a decentralized cultural and social movement toward independent, local living and tight knit independent communities. We must cut TBTP out of our lives, build our survival skills, buy fresh and local, and connect with patriots (including Vets & 1st Responders) that live in our areas.

The tyrants want us to be isolated and depressed. The last thing they want is a proactive, law-abiding, decentralized, leaderless movement of free men and women building their skills and intelligence, becoming self-sufficient, and boycotting their corporations and banks.

...but go ahead and keep telling yourself there’s nothing we can do.

You are right but so am I and so is Jules.
We need a leader to give us a cultural presence so people will listen to us, like it or not we need the sheeple because there aren't enough sheepdogs.
If we can get the sheeple to listen to us we can convert many of them into sheepdogs.

[DamianTV]

The powerful want both Money and Power because its their Bad Money that gives them Power to begin with.

Once they get their Bad Money, they push out the good money and poison the Real Money anyone else has, which makes those who have little money, either bad or good, hopelessly dependent on those with the power to issue it. That buys their power. They buy violence. They buy off the guy sitting on the fence and bring those people to their side. There are too many people in the world that would willingly trade the life of another for their own cushy life of servitude conducting violence against any who speak out against the principles of tyranny.

[Anti Globalist]

If only we had more leaders in the liberty movement with alpha male personalities. Our chances of winning would greatly increase.

[Pauls' Revere]

If only we had more leaders in the liberty movement with alpha male personalities. Our chances of winning would greatly increase.

Anybody in the LP come to mind? I'm not that up to speed.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

If only we had more leaders in the liberty movement with alpha male personalities. Our chances of winning would greatly increase.

Well they got rid of Jessie Ventura. I think everyone forgot about him.

[timosman]

If only we had more leaders in the liberty movement with alpha male personalities. Our chances of winning would greatly increase.

Is there a reason alphas avoid libertarians like a plague? :tears:

[Gumba of Liberty]

You are right but so am I and so is Jules.
We need a leader to give us a cultural presence so people will listen to us, like it or not we need the sheeple because there aren't enough sheepdogs.
If we can get the sheeple to listen to us we can convert many of them into sheepdogs.

People will listen to you when you have something to offer them. Running around every fours years passionately getting in peoples faces about privatizing roads is not how you make friends. The reason libertarians struggle to attract the "sheeple" and "alpha males" is that everything is in the abstract.

Libertarians promote liberty. Before you can have liberty you must be able to fight for it. Therefore, you must have access to the tools, skills, resources, and community enabling you to survive and thrive. We need to start here. Most "sheeple" are overweight, coach potatoes under the spell of cable news, professional sports, and "celebrities". Most are unhealthy, depressed, lack self-esteem, and self-respect. Without self-respect there is no liberty. If you have no confidence in yourself you will never ask or seek to be free. This is how we convert the "sheeple". We must work toward making liberty-oriented skill-building activities mainstream (especially with the coddled suburban youth): hunting, fishing, shooting, self-defense, paintball, swimming, rafting, hiking, construction, automotive, etc. When men and women have skills they gain confidence in themselves, they start listening to themselves, and they stop taking orders from others (liberty). Once we have established a culture of liberty and show our fellow "sheeple" a (fun) libertarian social order (without political parties and elections) - then we can focus building a national political movement. Until then, national elections are just us pissing in the wind.

Let me use an analogy, if I may. The Food Pyramid - the God awful corporate misinformation campaign lobbied by the Department of Agriculture to manipulate the diets of American school children - while still a sour spot for me - is a great way to describe how to move forward, in my mind.

https://www.chp.gov.hk/files/jpg/adult_eng.jpg

Grains = Building Survival Skills & Connecting with Local Patriots.
Vegetables = Buying Fresh & Local.
Fruits = Living Independent & Sustainable.
Meats = Support Freedom Loving Vets & 1st Responders.
Milk = Electing Freedom Loving Americans to Local/County Government (Sheriff).
Sweets = National Political Campaigns.

95% of the time the "Liberty Movement" (or any movement) focuses on the Sweets (every four years) and complain in between. I get why though. It is a lot easier and comforting to wait for a savior than to realize your going to have to save yourself. It's time to grow up. Either lead, follow, or get out the way.

[shakey1]

Here we are, ten years later...almost to the day.

I just re-read that entire thread exposing the MIAC document and I came across the post I have quoted below. (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?183388-Missouri-Police-Report-RP-supporters-Libertarians-anti-NWO-movement-are-TERRORISTS)

And it hit me, like a ton of bricks, how utterly overpowered we have been by our enemies.

SPLC is now a multi billion dollar juggernaut, not only fully entrenched within government at all levels, but also with trans national data and media companies, declaring who will even get a chance to speak.

Government surveillance is now light years ahead of this, frankly, amateurish and ham fisted profiling attempt. Government watches everything you do, say, spend, travel, work, walk, talk, eat, sleep and $#@! and in full co-ordination and co-operation with the same trans-national banking and media companies, acquires a dossier and dang-an on your life that knows what you are going to do before you do it.

The political realm has now been taken over by avowed communists, no longer even trying to keep up any pretenses of who and what they are, who have made it their mission to remove "us" from the public square, by any means necessary, up to and including actual, for real, genocide.

Long gone RPF member Doktor Jeep describes in this post what had to be done.

And we failed to do it.

"Love" and "finding common ground" and "peaceful revolution"...all of that was hogwash, bull$#@!, weasel words for us to mutter to one another because we lacked the guts and will to do what needed to be done when there was a slight, oh so slight, chance of victory.

And now we're, quite literally I believe, looking at the very real possibility of extermination at the hands of leftist mobs of Jacobins and Bolsheviks and wondering just what the $#@! happened...or at least I am. The speed of this disintegration has been stunning.

Well...we failed...that's what happened.

And because of our failure, we, meaning "liberty folks" of the "old order"...we'll be lucky to survive what is coming.

God damn us all, myself included.

WOW... was reading thru that old thread... impressive call to action, I thought... but I fear you're right... this shit has only gotten worse.:collision:

[timosman]

WOW... was reading thru that old thread... impressive call to action, I thought... but I fear you're right... this shit has only gotten worse.:collision:

Less disposable income.

[Gumba of Liberty]

WOW... was reading thru that old thread... impressive call to action, I thought... but I fear you're right... this $#@! has only gotten worse.:collision:

For those that want to skip the pitty party and actually make moves in defense of Liberty, we will be expanding to the greater North East/Mid-Atlantic in the next few years and we need all the patriots we can find: Join us or start your own grassroots organization in your area: www.sonsoflibertyso.com/pdc

For the rest of you, enjoy ranting on forums and message boards as your nation and your liberty slowly (then quickly) collapses!

[pcosmar]

Is there a reason alphas avoid libertarians like a plague? :tears:

I believe you to be quite confused.

[Swordsmyth]

People will listen to you when you have something to offer them. Running around every fours years passionately getting in peoples faces about privatizing roads is not how you make friends. The reason libertarians struggle to attract the "sheeple" and "alpha males" is that everything is in the abstract.

Libertarians promote liberty. Before you can have liberty you must be able to fight for it. Therefore, you must have access to the tools, skills, resources, and community enabling you to survive and thrive. We need to start here. Most "sheeple" are overweight, coach potatoes under the spell of cable news, professional sports, and "celebrities". Most are unhealthy, depressed, lack self-esteem, and self-respect. Without self-respect there is no liberty. If you have no confidence in yourself you will never ask or seek to be free. This is how we convert the "sheeple". We must work toward making liberty-oriented skill-building activities mainstream (especially with the coddled suburban youth): hunting, fishing, shooting, self-defense, paintball, swimming, rafting, hiking, construction, automotive, etc. When men and women have skills they gain confidence in themselves, they start listening to themselves, and they stop taking orders from others (liberty). Once we have established a culture of liberty and show our fellow "sheeple" a (fun) libertarian social order (without political parties and elections) - then we can focus building a national political movement. Until then, national elections are just us pissing in the wind.

Let me use an analogy, if I may. The Food Pyramid - the God awful corporate misinformation campaign lobbied by the Department of Agriculture to manipulate the diets of American school children - while still a sour spot for me - is a great way to describe how to move forward, in my mind.

https://www.chp.gov.hk/files/jpg/adult_eng.jpg

Grains = Building Survival Skills & Connecting with Local Patriots.
Vegetables = Buying Fresh & Local.
Fruits = Living Independent & Sustainable.
Meats = Support Freedom Loving Vets & 1st Responders.
Milk = Electing Freedom Loving Americans to Local/County Government (Sheriff).
Sweets = National Political Campaigns.

95% of the time the "Liberty Movement" (or any movement) focuses on the Sweets (every four years) and complain in between. I get why though. It is a lot easier and comforting to wait for a savior than to realize your going to have to save yourself. It's time to grow up. Either lead, follow, or get out the way.
You are absolutely right but that doesn't mean that the opposite approach of giving the herd animals a leader to follow doesn't also work, Ron proved that it does, we made more progress with him as a leader for 8 years than we did for many decades prior.

[Swordsmyth]

Is there a reason alphas avoid libertarians like a plague? :tears:
Most libertarians drive them away because they are religiously opposed to having leaders.

[Gumba of Liberty]

You are absolutely right but that doesn't mean that the opposite approach of giving the herd animals a leader to follow doesn't also work, Ron proved that it does, we made more progress with him as a leader for 8 years than we did for many decades prior.

I agree with you. I never said that providing the people a principled lightning rod (like Dr. Ron Paul) would ever hurt. I just want everyone to be aware that if you are looking for the next Ron Paul (and you are not running for office yourself) you will be waiting an extremely long time. How many years between the lives of Thomas Jefferson and Ron Paul? Too many.

With that said, the Liberty Movement should have all options on the table. My problem with this thread, and the movement in general, is that people are getting discouraged because they haven't found another (more articulate i.e. better) Ron Paul and that the movement is therefore doomed (btw I am of my opinion that a younger, more articulate Ron Paul would have been assassinated quickly. The fact that he was the old, non-threatening, folksie granddad kept him alive). This general demoralization of the movement is not proactive nor productive. Finding a populist champion of liberty, on the national level, is not going to happen overnight and we shouldn't get upset about it because their is much other work to do. We must struggle and fight, at the state & local level, if we wish to build the movement strong enough to support a true rebel on the national stage.

So how about this: We support each other and stay positive! How have you supported your liberty and the liberty of your family, today? Start small (as Jordan Peterson would say, "Clean your room!"). You will be surprised at how much impact you can make by just being the best (up-beat) version of yourself and being an uncompromising (yet fun-loving) champion of liberty, on a daily basis. We must try to get liberty lovers on the national stage but we have some much more potential, as a movement, than that because even if we fail in one election - we must have the collective resolve that we will continue to grid, toil, and fight for our Natural-Born Rights. If we allow negativity to destroy our resolve, I can guarantee we will lose.

I would look to the Spartans for inspiration on this: When our enemies block out the sun, we must fight in the shade. And smile when we do it.

[Anti Federalist]

I agree with you. I never said that providing the people a principled lightning rod (like Dr. Ron Paul) would ever hurt. I just want everyone to be aware that if you are looking for the next Ron Paul (and you are not running for office yourself) you will be waiting an extremely long time. How many years between the lives of Thomas Jefferson and Ron Paul? Too many.

With that said, the Liberty Movement should have all options on the table. My problem with this thread, and the movement in general, is that people are getting discouraged because they haven't found another (more articulate i.e. better) Ron Paul and that the movement is therefore doomed (btw I am of my opinion that a younger, more articulate Ron Paul would have been assassinated quickly. The fact that he was the old, non-threatening, folksie granddad kept him alive). This general demoralization of the movement is not proactive nor productive. Finding a populist champion of liberty, on the national level, is not going to happen overnight and we shouldn't get upset about it because their is much other work to do. We must struggle and fight, at the state & local level, if we wish to build the movement strong enough to support a true rebel on the national stage.

So how about this: We support each other and stay positive! How have you supported your liberty and the liberty of your family, today? Start small (as Jordan Peterson would say, "Clean your room!"). You will be surprised at how much impact you can make by just being the best (up-beat) version of yourself and being an uncompromising (yet fun-loving) champion of liberty, on a daily basis. We must try to get liberty lovers on the national stage but we have some much more potential, as a movement, than that because even if we fail in one election - we must have the collective resolve that we will continue to grid, toil, and fight for our Natural-Born Rights. If we allow negativity to destroy our resolve, I can guarantee we will lose.

I would look to the Spartans for inspiration on this: When our enemies block out the sun, we must fight in the shade. And smile when we do it.

And where are the Spartans now?

You dismiss my negativity as giving up.

No, but I will give up on what demonstrably does not work.

It's long past time to change tactics.

[Swordsmyth]

I agree with you. I never said that providing the people a principled lightning rod (like Dr. Ron Paul) would ever hurt. I just want everyone to be aware that if you are looking for the next Ron Paul (and you are not running for office yourself) you will be waiting an extremely long time. How many years between the lives of Thomas Jefferson and Ron Paul? Too many.

With that said, the Liberty Movement should have all options on the table. My problem with this thread, and the movement in general, is that people are getting discouraged because they haven't found another (more articulate i.e. better) Ron Paul and that the movement is therefore doomed (btw I am of my opinion that a younger, more articulate Ron Paul would have been assassinated quickly. The fact that he was the old, non-threatening, folksie granddad kept him alive). This general demoralization of the movement is not proactive nor productive. Finding a populist champion of liberty, on the national level, is not going to happen overnight and we shouldn't get upset about it because their is much other work to do. We must struggle and fight, at the state & local level, if we wish to build the movement strong enough to support a true rebel on the national stage.

So how about this: We support each other and stay positive! How have you supported your liberty and the liberty of your family, today? Start small (as Jordan Peterson would say, "Clean your room!"). You will be surprised at how much impact you can make by just being the best (up-beat) version of yourself and being an uncompromising (yet fun-loving) champion of liberty, on a daily basis. We must try to get liberty lovers on the national stage but we have some much more potential, as a movement, than that because even if we fail in one election - we must have the collective resolve that we will continue to grid, toil, and fight for our Natural-Born Rights. If we allow negativity to destroy our resolve, I can guarantee we will lose.

I would look to the Spartans for inspiration on this: When our enemies block out the sun, we must fight in the shade. And smile when we do it.

+REP

You can not give reputation to the same post twice.

[timosman]

+REP

You can not give reputation to the same post twice.

This is the best time in history to be alive and some decide to use it to bitch. :tears:

[Swordsmyth]

This is the best time in history to be alive and some decide to use it to bitch. :tears:
It is the best of times and the worst of times.

[pcosmar]

Most libertarians drive them away because they are religiously opposed to having leaders.

Morally and Rationally opposed.. and I'm irreligious.

I could tolerate elected representatives though.. (likely how the Founders were tricked)

[pcosmar]

I remember like a cookie baker.

I remember that a Secret Police Document revealed the existence of a previously unknown agency.

I remember " Domestic Terrorist " being added to my resume.

I remember this Forums Response.

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3436/3378748321_3516dc7de0_o.jpg

[DamianTV]

If only we had more leaders in the liberty movement with alpha male personalities. Our chances of winning would greatly increase.

The only people we would trust with, and deserve power is the people that do NOT want it, which sadly is most of us.

I still think the best thing we can do with the status quo is to flat out turn our backs on them. That includes cops refusing to enforce stupid laws, teachers who refuse to obey cirriculums, and leaders who refuse to fire their own subordinates for not causing more problems. We out them, make their moral gymnastics well known to all, then flat out bypass the rotted chains of command.

[Stratovarious]

I love acronyms;

I was afraid to ask; '' google is your friend'' :frog:

So I googled;


A great place to ski


An Art college


'The' Presidents task for some blsht (but just a bunch of pdf's)


Cool Software


A great company to work for


A counter top'

[TheCount]

Anybody in the LP come to mind? I'm not that up to speed.
Naked Guy

[Swordsmyth]

Naked Guy
He's not alpha, he's degenerate.

[TheCount]

He's not alpha, he's degenerate.

What if he rawdogged a couple of porn stars?

[Swordsmyth]

What if he rawdogged a couple of porn stars?
That's not nearly as degenerate as stripping in public.

[TheCount]

That's not nearly as degenerate as stripping in public.

That's what I mean. How many women would he need to pay for sex to be an alpha? Is it more or less than the number of whores required to win the evangelical vote?

[Swordsmyth]

That's what I mean. How many women would he need to pay for sex to be an alpha? Is it more or less than the number of whores required to win the evangelical vote?
That question is too stupid to even deserve a stupid answer.

Trump is not a paragon of virtue but he is an alpha, you don't have to be a paragon of virtue to be an alpha.
Stripper guy is not an alpha, he is just a degenerate.

[TheCount]

That question is too stupid to even deserve a stupid answer.

It was two questions.


Trump is not a paragon of virtue but he is an alpha, you don't have to be a paragon of virtue to be an alpha.
Stripper guy is not an alpha, he is just a degenerate.
He has an iron cross tattoo; that has to bring him up a few dozen notches in your book.

[Swordsmyth]

It was two questions.
It was a two part question.



He has an iron cross tattoo; that has to bring him up a few dozen notches in your book.
That makes him a bigger loser.

[pcosmar]

That's not nearly as degenerate as stripping in public.

^^Obviously never been to Key West.

Clothes are optional at times.

[Swordsmyth]

^^Obviously never been to Key West.

Clothes are optional at times.
:rolleyes:

[pcosmar]

:rolleyes:

I lived there , 16 years ..owned a Home.

http://www.gotothekeys.com/clothing_optional_Nude_key_west.htm

[Swordsmyth]

I lived there , 16 years ..owned a Home.

http://www.gotothekeys.com/clothing_optional_Nude_key_west.htm
I believe you, the world is full of degenerates.

[pcosmar]

I lived there , 16 years ..owned a Home.


It was the most libertarian place I have known,, despite corruption in the local governments.

It was also the wealthiest City in the US at one time.

[Swordsmyth]

It was the most libertarian place I have known,, despite corruption in the local governments.

It was also the wealthiest City in the US at one time.
And it was apparently one of the most degenerate cities in the US.

[pcosmar]

And it was apparently one of the most degenerate cities in the US.

Define Generate

[Swordsmyth]

Define Generate
One element of it is not stripping in public.
I suggest you read the Bible if you really are that ignorant.

[pcosmar]

Trump is not a paragon of virtue but he is an alpha, .

then Go Suck his little dick

and shut the phuck up here..

derailing threads with Trump Trash.

[Swordsmyth]

then Go Suck his little dick

and shut the phuck up here..

derailing threads with Trump Trash.
I didn't start this, go yell at the person who did.

[pcosmar]

One element of it is not stripping in public.
I suggest you read the Bible if you really are that ignorant.

Don't Flaunt your Ignorance to me..


Michal, the daughter of Saul, looked down from her window. When she saw King David leaping and dancing before the Lord, she was filled with contempt for him.

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

Post-violence philosophies are worthless. Worse than worthless, they have negative worth. Going all in on militias and trying to wage a civil war is about as dumb an idea as there is. It will end in nothing but terrorism, failure, and the complete discrediting of whatever movement it fights for.

[Swordsmyth]

Don't Flaunt your Ignorance to me..
Michal was right.
David was a degenerate and also a murderer and an adulterer among many other things.

GOD commanded us to wear clothes:

Genesis
Chapter 3
7 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Genesis-3-7/)And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
8 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Genesis-3-8/)And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
9 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Genesis-3-9/)And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
10 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Genesis-3-10/)And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.

...
21 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Genesis-3-21/)Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

[Swordsmyth]

Post-violence philosophies are worthless. Worse than worthless, they have negative worth. Going all in on militias and trying to wage a civil war is about as dumb an idea as there is. It will end in nothing but terrorism, failure, and the complete discrediting of whatever movement it fights for.
There is a time for peace and a time for war.

[acptulsa]

I didn't start this, go yell at the person who did.

What the fuck are you talking about? The orange bastard is mentioned four times in this thread. In one he is mentioned in the same sentence as Cortez, referring to all statists. Pete just told you to go suck him.

The other two times you brought him up, out of the blue, unprovoked, to do unsolicited and totally irrelevant commercials for him.

So who are you pointing your stubby little finger at now? Point that thing at yourself.


GOD commanded us to wear clothes:

What corner of your fevered little imagination comes up with all these "facts" that just aren't true? He saw they were embarrassed and made them clothes. But I don't recall any commands at all.

[Swordsmyth]

What the $#@! are you talking about? The orange bastard is mentioned four times in this thread. In one he is mentioned in the same sentence as Cortez, referring to all statists. Pete just told you to go suck him.

The other two times you brought him up to do unsolicited commercials for him.

So who are you pointing your stubby little finger at now? Point that thing at yourself.

I didn't start the derailment away from the original topic.
You aren't helping to get this thread back on topic either.

[pcosmar]

I love acronyms;

I was afraid to ask; '' google is your friend'' :frog:

So I googled;


A great place to ski


An Art college


'The' Presidents task for some blsht (but just a bunch of pdf's)


Cool Software


A great company to work for


A counter top'

MIAC

Missouri Information Analysis Center
https://miacx.org/(X(1)S(tle3dwjsyjzqhwy5lyox5x2a))/default.aspx?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1

a previously unknown Secret Police,,, before it and Federal Fusion Centers were exposed..

It was initially denied,,but later admitted.
and they still exist..

[Swordsmyth]

What corner of your fevered little imagination comes up with all these "facts" that just aren't true? He saw they were embarrassed and made them clothes. But I don't recall any commands at all.
:rolleyes:

[pcosmar]

Michal was right.
David was a degenerate and also a murderer and an adulterer among many other things.




I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will.

just stop
Stop Flaunting your ignorance,, it is embarrassing and sad.

Stop Flaunting the Clown Trump,, it is unwanted.

[acptulsa]

I didn't start the derailment away from the original topic.
You aren't helping to get this thread back on topic either.

Pete said this thread isn't about that orange dick you want so bad, and he's right. Can you really not stop obsessing about it for five minutes?


:rolleyes:

No wonder you can't seem to comprehend what you read. Your eyes seem to be too arrogant to hold still.

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

There is a time for peace and a time for war.
Post-violence philosophies will do nothing but attract psychopaths and LARPers. A militia that starts killing people will only destroy what little cachet dissident right-wing movements have.

[Swordsmyth]

just stop
Stop Flaunting your ignorance,, it is embarrassing and sad.
You are embarrassing, that was how he found David in the beginning, it didn't last.
Michal was right.
David was a degenerate and also a murderer and an adulterer among many other things.
He failed to punish one of his sons for raping one of his daughters, that is degenerate.


Stop Flaunting the Clown Trump,, it is unwanted.
:sleeping:

[Swordsmyth]

Pete said this thread isn't about that orange dick you want so bad, and he's right. Can you really not stop obsessing about it for five minutes?
I didn't bring up Trump in this thread The Count did, go yell at him. (You won't because you only punch right)




No wonder you can't seem to comprehend what you read. Your eyes seem to be too arrogant to hold still.
If GOD didn't want them to wear clothes he wouldn't have built in shame at being Naked and he would have told them they didn't have to be ashamed.
They already had clothes they had made for themselves but he made them better clothes because they were expected to wear them.

[pcosmar]

You are embarrassing, that was how he found David in the beginning, it didn't last.

Matthew 1:1
This is the genealogy of Jesus the Messiah the son of David, the son of Abraham:


Ok ,,you won't stop

Go ahead and show yourself even more foolish.

[pcosmar]

Federal Fusion Centers were exposed..

or at least partially.. and it seems only a few grasp the significance.

[Swordsmyth]

Matthew 1:1
This is the genealogy of Jesus the Messiah the son of David, the son of Abraham:


Ok ,,you won't stop

Go ahead and show yourself even more foolish.
He was also descended from most of the other kings of Judah (the dynastic line changed a few times but they were all descendants of David) and some of them were rather evil.

You've got nothing.

Michal was right.
David was a degenerate and also a murderer and an adulterer among many other things.
He failed to punish one of his sons for raping one of his daughters, that is degenerate.

[acptulsa]

I didn't bring up Trump in this thread The Count did, go yell at him.

That's a lie.


If GOD didn't want them to wear clothes he wouldn't have built in shame at being Naked and he would have told them they didn't have to be ashamed.
They already had clothes they had made for themselves but he made them better clothes because they were expected to wear them.

That's a thread jack. But of course AF started this thread so someone who was nowhere around here when the MIAC Report came out could sit in haughty judgment of King David, right?

Of course it doesn't occur to you that God could have given His children clothes because they were embarrassed. It doesn't occur to you He not only let them run around naked, but told them not to eat the fruit that would cause them to even think about covering themselves. Because that's just how you are.

Isn't it, Sola_Fide?

If you want to libel King David and put your words in God's Mouth, there's a whole subforum for that.

[pcosmar]

http://pcosmar.blogspot.com/2009/03/i-am-domestic-terrorist.html

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_X5ydAghO8zQ/SbuyJx9ojII/AAAAAAAAAQs/9Jx1-Q06-Sg/s1600/scan0023.jpg

[Swordsmyth]

That's a lie.
No it isn't:

What if he rawdogged a couple of porn stars?







That's a thread jack. But of course AF started this thread so someone who was nowhere around here when the MIAC Report came out could sit in haughty judgment of King David, right?
I didn't bring up David, pcosmar did, I didn't originate any of the off topic discussions in this thread.


Of course it doesn't occur to you that God could have given His children clothes because they were embarrassed. It doesn't occur to you He not only let them run around naked, but told them not to eat the fruit that would cause them to even think about covering themselves. Because that's just how you are.
They already had clothes that they had made for themselves, he gave them clothes to let them know that they did need to wear them and to let them know they could use animal skins to make better clothes.
They didn't have a sense of shame while they were ignorant because they didn't have a sexual nature before eating fruit from the tree of knowledge.


Isn't it, Sola_Fide?
:rolleyes:



If you want to libel King David and put your words in God's Mouth, there's a whole subforum for that.
I'm not libeling David, the Bible tells us about all of his crimes and the only reason I discussed it is because pcosmar brought it up.

[pcosmar]

No it isn't:







I didn't bring up David, pcosmar did, I didn't originate any of the off topic discussions in this thread.


They already had clothes that they had made for themselves, he gave them clothes to let them know that they did need to wear them and to let them know they could use animal skins to make better clothes.
They didn't have a sense of shame while they were ignorant because they didn't have a sexual nature before eating fruit from the tree of knowledge.


:rolleyes:



I'm not libeling David, the Bible tells us about all of his crimes and the only reason I discussed it is because pcosmar brought it up.

The whole earth has been corrupted through the works that were taught by Azazel: to him ascribe all sin. ...

Swordsmithing was taught by Azazel.

and he want to keep the subject off the Federal Police Centers.

check the spirit.

[Swordsmyth]

The whole earth has been corrupted through the works that were taught by Azazel: to him ascribe all sin. ...

Swordsmithing was taught by Azazel.

and he want to keep the subject off the Federal Police Centers.

check the spirit.
LOL

[acptulsa]

LOL

You can't let someone have the last word, can you?

For someone who's so horrified by the human body, you certainly are determined to show your ass.

[Swordsmyth]

You can't let someone have the last word, can you?
Sometimes I do but it's funny that you are so obsessed with it.


For someone who's so horrified by the human body, you certainly are determined to show your ass.
:sleeping:

[pcosmar]

Related
https://theweek.com/articles/495680/who-are-hutaree

[acptulsa]

Sometimes I do but it's funny that you are so obsessed with it.

Hey, Bryan, do I get to call a troll a troll if he openly brags about trolling?

[Swordsmyth]

Hey, @Bryan (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/member.php?u=2), do I get to call a troll a troll if he openly brags about trolling?
:confused:

Telling you that I sometimes let people have the last word is bragging about trolling?

I see you are hijacking the thread again after pcosmar posted about the Fusion center topic again.

[Swordsmyth]

Let's get this thread back on topic:


Here we are, ten years later...almost to the day.

I just re-read that entire thread exposing the MIAC document and I came across the post I have quoted below. (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?183388-Missouri-Police-Report-RP-supporters-Libertarians-anti-NWO-movement-are-TERRORISTS)

And it hit me, like a ton of bricks, how utterly overpowered we have been by our enemies.

SPLC is now a multi billion dollar juggernaut, not only fully entrenched within government at all levels, but also with trans national data and media companies, declaring who will even get a chance to speak.

Government surveillance is now light years ahead of this, frankly, amateurish and ham fisted profiling attempt. Government watches everything you do, say, spend, travel, work, walk, talk, eat, sleep and $#@! and in full co-ordination and co-operation with the same trans-national banking and media companies, acquires a dossier and dang-an on your life that knows what you are going to do before you do it.

The political realm has now been taken over by avowed communists, no longer even trying to keep up any pretenses of who and what they are, who have made it their mission to remove "us" from the public square, by any means necessary, up to and including actual, for real, genocide.

Long gone RPF member Doktor Jeep describes in this post what had to be done.

And we failed to do it.

"Love" and "finding common ground" and "peaceful revolution"...all of that was hogwash, bull$#@!, weasel words for us to mutter to one another because we lacked the guts and will to do what needed to be done when there was a slight, oh so slight, chance of victory.

And now we're, quite literally I believe, looking at the very real possibility of extermination at the hands of leftist mobs of Jacobins and Bolsheviks and wondering just what the $#@! happened...or at least I am. The speed of this disintegration has been stunning.

Well...we failed...that's what happened.

And because of our failure, we, meaning "liberty folks" of the "old order"...we'll be lucky to survive what is coming.

God damn us all, myself included.


http://www.ronpaulforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Doktor_Jeep http://www.ronpaulforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=2024611#post2024611)

Remember folks.

This revolution, calling for an end to the Fed, the IRS, the warfare and welfare states - you are calling for the end of a system that is fostered and run by people who would kill you for money.

Those fat cats, globalists, and whatever else you want to call them: they kill for money and power.

It's hard for someone who lives on the principles of wanting to be left alone and willing to do the same to fathom or understand the kind of mind that wants power and money.

We can marvel at this, these people, who have enough money to fly their helicopters over our traffic jams, don't have to eat the poison we are stuck with in our supermarkets, can live in their mansions in their private little islands.... I can go on.

What is it then, that while they have it all, they keep wanting to take and take and take.

Understand that, and you understand what you are really dealing with. Some dare call it evil, others call it greed. It makes as much sense as a gambling addiction: "Why?". But nobody calls the personality of a plutocrat to be a disorder - yet.

These are people who will start a war in a small country and kill tens of thousands so they can get an oil pipeline or take over the drug operations there.

These are people who will (and have) paid farmers to plow crops under to keep prices up, and the power of their fiat money, while people starved to death (this was in the USA, by the way).

These are people who run a black op government, a pit of lies so deep they even lose themselves in it, for killing stealing, and to relish in it.

So what makes you think you are automatically safe from them because all you did was politely ask for your freedom back? What makes you think you would not be a target when you demand real money - the kind that they cannot maintain power over? What makes you think you would not be demonized when you ask to keep what money you have when they rely on it to keep their system rolling? What would the drug dealer in your town do to you if you tried to get drugs legalized? Get the picture?

Their system is going bankrupt, their legitimacy is going with it. It's no longer just a few living thinking Paulians and libertarians in a world of brainless consumer zombies.

There are a lot of theives and murderers in their smokey backrooms, getting scared.

And they have good reason to be.

And the so-called "militia" they are afraid of, they are more afraid of that militia than anything else. But not for what that militia can do. In fact, that militia, alone, cannot do anything. Even worse, that militia is not trained well enough - or not "well regulated". It's not "Bubba and his SKS" they are afraid of.

That militia needs the activists, the legal eagles, and the philosophers. They need the militia. Most of them are the militia. The militia are also activists when you consider that war is diplomacy by other means. When the choice is comply and starve, or do not comply and be arrested or killed, then someone is going to die anyway.

Because the 3 latter elements are what a real movement towards freedom needs. Militia are just guys with guns, mostly. Ask anyone who considered himself "militia" over the years or in some respect beyond what George Mason would say it is, and he will say he is not surprised at this MIAC fiasco.

But here is the funny part: most of them would have never put a Ron Paul bumper sticker on his car anyway. They know this game - the rest of you are learning it. This is an old game. There is a long list of people who did demand their liberty and got nailed to the wall for it.

You want to know what stands between the plutocrats and their power?

It's not the militia.

It's you. All of you.

If they can get you to run from, or abandon the militia concept, chase the gun owners out of the CFL and other groups, and have the rest of you constantly being apologetic for your views, starting every article or point with "Well, I'm not for condoning violence but....". Then you all will spend your entire lives, or the rest of it, going nowhere. One ignored petition after the other, one ignored - if not smeared and ridiculed - candidate after the other. And when you are old and gray, if you are allowed to live that long under socialist health care, you will look back to a life of failure.

Will you fail to realize it, like all those McCain supporters and useless GOP hacks who worked against us?

Or will you accept it?

But what, then, are the plutocrats most afraid of?

There is a punchline coming, so pay attention.

The "militia", I put it in quotes because I lean more towards the George Mason concept that it's everybody, but there are people who are above and beyond that concept, knows better than to engage the minions in the field.

Yes you see, the upper echelons of the militia, those people who have more than just a rifle and a voter registration card, know better than to engage the minions.


Here is the punchline:


They write these papers to make sure the minions are the ones thinking they are the target of this so-called militia, so they are led to engage them first, but on behalf of the plutocrats. The cops, soldiers, agents, have to live in this country too. Their kids are just as screwed as anyone elses. The MIAC document is more intended to screw with their heads than screw with yours. If it screws with yours it's just a bonus.

But the idea is to have them thinking they are the target, and the victim, and act in kind. What folly we have seen so far in this culture, where people are shot dead when unarmed for making a fast move like blocking a bright light in their face or reaching for drivers license.


You see, if YOU do your job, the militia can do it's job - which is to defend liberty. Right now, there is nothing for any militia to do, other than make the enemy think twice before going total tyranny. That is, they(the tyrants) have to take time to lie about what they are doing, lest the tyrants look like tyrants which is what they cannot afford to do. They need to run this country like a concentration camp, while we got people looking about for real camps. When you claim this country is a prison, people don't see barbed wire and guard dogs, so they think you are a nut, in spite of all the facts behind your points.

So why lump peaceful activists in with this?

This is to keep you guys from being one and the same. This tactic was successfully done with gun control in the early 90s, as an example. When they managed to seperate the hunters and "golfers with guns" from the people who kept evil black rifles for the implication of the seconds amendment, it became possible to get that level of gun control they sought. For a short time, anyway.

If they get the armed men, the riflemen, out standing alone as a separate movement to be demonized, set up, and destroyed, just as they did in the 90s, they can finally destroy the militia that exists under 2A and condemn the rest of you to a lifestyle of having only enough freedom to complain about not having freedom.

Some of you took the bait. On some of you that worked.

Now, they want everybody engaging their minions, the brainwashed police mostly, by having their minions in a state of hyperventilating hysterics so much that they can cause an incident. Of course the militia, already knowing this game, will not take this bait. This was already tried over Ed Brown in NH. Remember how the marshalls fretted over the militia threat, then put agents out in the open with light armor and a nylon gazebo. But the militia in NH did not take the bait. Provokers unleashed all over the internet wailed an gnashed their teeth over them "not doing anything", as if they should just start the shooting, but as scripture says, wisdom is always better than weapons of war.

Now, if you all do your job, the militia can do it's job. And that job has two parts:

1. When the leviathan is starting to get beaten in it's own courts, in it's own media, and loses all credibility, it will, again as before and with the same expectation as in Patrick Henry's "War Inevitable" speech, do what it does best. Resort to violence. They will send SWAT, the good guys will send riflemen. Any other way, and it's just another "evil white guys with guns killing poor sweet innoocent law enforcement agents!". This is so much the factor that they might produce another OKC, with the same suspiscious circumstances (that will persist in their media for 5 minutes, and then only be recalled by infowars and they will send an army of paid Sheer Coincidence Theorists to debunk the facts).
2. Once America is restored, the militia, as an enforcement wing under Article 1, Section 8, go after the plutocrats themselves and bring them back for their crimes. Yes, the fat cat will be hunted down in his compound somewhere, and brought to justice one way or the other. A real congress would see to the proper charges. This is why the militia has no intention of going toe-to-toe with the minions on their terms and getting killed now. The minions, the cops, are not operating with all of the facts. They are like trained dogs. And that dog still needs to be fed. The problem is not the cops or the military, it's the system that fills their food dish. What we are seeing in how they act is exactly how people act when given authority without responsibility. History is full of such results, and rather than attempt to beat human nature (the failed endeavor of progressives), it's better to maintain a just system with strict rules for all parties. But the people behind it - the tyranny, win or lose, can expect to be living in an armed compound in Dubai or Bolivia for the rest of their lives.


And there you have it. If the Paulians, Reaganites, CFL, YAL, etc do their job, there will be another 1775. Not because we want it, not because we want violence or bloodshed. I think Benjamin Martin, Mel Gibson's characer in "The Patriot" detailed these implications in particular in describing that this war would affect us in such ways as being everywhere, but it's freedom we want, from an entity that does not intend to give it. Asking niceley is merely a formality that makes you look good in the history books.

The enemy kills for power and money. They always have, always will. I need not have to describe then what you have to do to keep from being subjugated by them, and to keep your money.

[pcosmar]

Let's get this thread back on topic:

Been trying to..

You do realize that the Ferguson Riots,, Charlottesville,, and the ANTIFA in Portland Or. , are all being run as Ops. from Federal Fusion Centers.

They are Intel and BlackBag for the Police State.

I consider them a realistic Threat.

[Swordsmyth]

Been trying to..

You do realize that the Ferguson Riots,, Charlottesville,, and the ANTIFA in Portland Or. , are all being run as Ops. from Federal Fusion Centers.

They are Intel and BlackBag for the Police State.

I consider them a realistic Threat.
Yes, and anything like them that isn't is being run by one of the factions but not using government.
Life is a war zone, there are few genuine grassroots movements and almost all of them get hijacked in their cradle.

[Pauls' Revere]

Naked Guy

Vermin Supreme naked.

[DamianTV]

You know, although I see some people who strongly disagree with each other in this thread, one thing that makes me happy is that any of you fighting have the ability currently to do so. The only position I can take that I think works for everyone is to protect the RIGHT of everyone to express themselves, especially those who I may not always disagree with. Thats the highest road I can possibly think of, unless there is a road even higher that I am unaware of...

[Swordsmyth]

You know, although I see some people who strongly disagree with each other in this thread, one thing that makes me happy is that any of you fighting have the ability currently to do so. The only position I can take that I think works for everyone is to protect the RIGHT of everyone to express themselves, especially those who I may not always disagree with. Thats the highest road I can possibly think of, unless there is a road even higher that I am unaware of...
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