Trump says it's time for US to recognize 'Israel's Sovereignty over the Golan Heights'

[enhanced_deficit]

This might further inflate unsubstantiated conspiracy theories that MAGA's strong pro-Israel tilt was part of some secret deal with so called 'party of Israel' (Democratic party) to avoid impeachment or even more cynical anti-semitic conspiracy theories circulating among some Far Right groups (https://heavy.com/news/2018/10/robert-bowers-politics-trump-republican-democrat/) (and subscribed by likes of alleged PA Synagogue shooter Robert Bowers) that MAGA was being 'blackmailed' by some Jewish group. Given MAGA's bold personality, all such theories seem far fetched and are lacking evidence.
A more credible explanation might be that this tilt was aimed at aiding Israeli PM Netanyahu (who is funded by MAGA's top donor and respected neoconservative Sheldon Adelson) in coming elections at home amid bribery/corruption indictment noise. There might be some Biblical aspect too (as was seen ahead of Iraq invasion decision), Christian Evangelical groups (like CUFI of Pastor John Hagee) that champion Greater Israel prophecies ahead of Jesus' Return (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?484933-Michele-Bachmann-Jesus-is-coming-soon%92&p=6037620&viewfull=1#post6037620) are aligned with MAGA's America-First movement.




Trump says it's time for US to recognize 'Israel's Sovereignty over the Golan Heights'

By Jeremy Diamond, CNN
Thu March 21, 2019

(CNN) President Donald Trump on Thursday overturned longstanding US policy regarding the Israeli-occupied Golan Heights, announcing "it is time" for the US to "fully recognize Israel's Sovereignty" over the region.

"After 52 years it is time for the United States to fully recognize Israel's Sovereignty over the Golan Heights, which is of critical strategic and security importance to the State of Israel and Regional Stability," Trump tweeted.

The announcement hands Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu a significant foreign policy victory, less than three weeks before Israelis head to the polls to decide whether he should remain in power. The move comes just days before Netanyahu is set to join Trump at the White House and follows weeks during which Netanyahu has renewed his push for the US to recognize the Golan Heights as part of Israel.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/21/politics/trump-golan-heights-tweet/index.html







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[spudea]

Good.

[osan]

Hey, the Israelis won it fair and square. I wouldn't give back a square inch. Spoils of war and all.

[Danke]

Hey, the Israelis won it fair and square. I wouldn't give back a square inch. Spoils of war and all.

Should we attack Canada and take it too?

[Stratovarious]

I'm done with Trump what a complete disgrace, I suppose now instead of
ignoring the den of thieves and their war crimes , Trump is going to say that the
war crimes should escalate because of Israel's right to exist, and right
to exterminate their neighbors , neighbors whom don't have that right to exist.

[Stratovarious]

Should we attack Canada and take it too?

Canada has been throwing rocks , we are sending tanks and will need to occupy
the country as well.

[Swordsmyth]

Hey, the Israelis won it fair and square. I wouldn't give back a square inch. Spoils of war and all.
They own it as surely as Syria owns the land it controls or any other country owns its territory.

Should we keep recognizing the KMT as the rulers of mainland China?

The only thing that bothers me is our subsidization of their hold on it and the likelihood that we will be drafted to help them keep it if Syria or anyone else comes close to taking it away from them.

[RonZeplin]

https://youtu.be/sHOzoVIWuO0

[Danke]

https://youtu.be/sHOzoVIWuO0

Wow, good find.

[spudea]

https://youtu.be/sHOzoVIWuO0

That's so rich. Centuries, nah millennia of ethnic conflict and he says "just lower the walls, allow the invasion, and there will be peace"...… Which religion says to kill the infidels and nonbelievers again? And you want them to invade Israel and everybody will sing kumbaya?

[spudea]

Should we attack Canada and take it too?

No different than how USA acquired land from Mexico. Do you support giving Mexico back the land we took from them?

[Danke]

No different than how USA acquired land from Mexico. Do you support giving Mexico back the land we took from them?

One can draw parallels, but still not equal.

Mexico seceded those lands and was paid for it. The inhabitants were guaranteed US Citizenship in the agreement.

Can the same be said for Syria and now former Syrians?
No.

[spudea]

One can draw parallels, but still not equal.

Mexico seceded those lands and was paid for it. The inhabitants were guaranteed US Citizenship in the agreement.

Can the same be said for Syria and now former Syrians?
No.

Great I could support that as part of a peace process. But you think Syria or the other Arab groups would agree to that? I think not. I think they like saying they are oppressed and occupied. Gives them justification and motivation to inspire more Muslims to kill Jews.

Then it seems the error made by Israel was not continuing their counter attack all the way to Damascus. Should have been more ruthless like USA.

[acptulsa]

Then it seems the error made by Israel was not continuing their counter attack all the way to Damascus. Should have been more ruthless like USA.

Um, everything the U.S. does in the Middle East it does because Israel, the oil companies and the Federal Reserve pay Congress to get it done.

[Danke]

Great I could support that as part of a peace process. But you think Syria or the other Arab groups would agree to that? I think not. I think they like saying they are oppressed and occupied. Gives them justification and motivation to inspire more Muslims to kill Jews.

Then it seems the error made by Israel was not continuing their counter attack all the way to Damascus. Should have been more ruthless like USA.

counter attack? you do know Israel orchestrated that war, don't you?

[oyarde]

Should we attack Canada and take it too?

Cannot , been beaten every time they tried . Only the the Great Oyarde could lead to the victory of canada .

[Danke]

Cannot , been beaten every time they tried . Only the the Great Oyarde could lead to the victory of canada .

I'll setup a gofundme for your attack.

[oyarde]

I'll setup a gofundme for your attack.

It will be very expensive . And I will not be giving back .

[enhanced_deficit]

The only thing that bothers me is our subsidization of their hold on it and the likelihood that we will be drafted to help them keep it if Syria or anyone else comes close to taking it away from them.

Top US General Says American Troops Should Be Ready To Die For Israel (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?532704-Top-US-General-Says-American-Troops-Should-Be-Ready-To-Die-For-Israel&)

[Swordsmyth]

One can draw parallels, but still not equal.

Mexico seceded those lands and was paid for it. The inhabitants were guaranteed US Citizenship in the agreement.

Can the same be said for Syria and now former Syrians?
No.
It's no different than how most countries took most of their land.

[Swordsmyth]

Should we attack Canada and take it too?
Why would we want it?

[nikcers]

Why would we want it?

I hear they have weapons of mass destruction.

[Swordsmyth]

I hear they have weapons of mass destruction.

Polar bears?

[nikcers]

It's no different than how most countries took most of their land.

Ya but we sort of criticized Russia for doing it so it's kind of hypocritical don't you think? Or are we just going to pretend that we didn't do that. Why are we even in peace treaties and international organizations that violate our rights, if we are just going to do whatever we want and piss the whole world off anyway?

[Swordsmyth]

Ya but we sort of criticized Russia for doing it so it's kind of hypocritical don't you think? Or are we just going to pretend that we didn't do that. Why are we even in peace treaties and international organizations that violate our rights. if we are just going to do whatever we want and piss the whole world off anyway?
I don't support the persecution of Russia over Crimea, they had far better justification for what they did than most countries had for taking any of their territory.
We should leave almost all international treaties and organizations.

[nikcers]

I don't support the persecution of Russia over Crimea, they had far better justification for what they did than most countries had for taking any of their territory.
We should leave almost all international treaties and organizations.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Swordsmyth again.

[enhanced_deficit]

From latest news, it appears this is due to some divine intervention and MAGA maybe doing 'God's work (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?532720-Pompeo-says-God-may-have-sent-Trump-to-save-Israel-from-Iran&p=6770591&viewfull=1#post6770591)' to defend our closest ally.

More proof that such pro-Israel statements and steps had nothing to do with Mueller report or threats of impeachment from some crazy segments within 'party of Israel' aka dems and were not aimed to get a fair shake from Mexiacn Judge (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKwps5fjjCY) Israeli Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein in charge of Mueller probe.

[unknown]

Should we attack Canada and take it too?

We might as well.

Morality means nothing.

Might makes right.

If I want my neighbor's property, I'm entitled to it, simply because I'm capable of stealing it. And I'll use whatever force necessary, human lives be damned.

[TheTexan]

Should we attack Canada and take it too?

We'd be doing them a favor.

[osan]

Should we attack Canada and take it too?


Oh hell no... it's full of Canadians.

Jesus man, THINK!

[devil21]

I'm sure the giant oil field discovered in the Golan region has nothing to do with it.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-the-path-to-trump-s-golan-declaration-starts-with-a-texan-entrepreneur-1.7045121


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genie_Energy

"Genie Energy's Strategic advisory board is composed of: Dick Cheney (former vice president of the United States), Rupert Murdoch (media mogul and chairman of News Corp), James Woolsey (former CIA director), Larry Summers (former head of the US Treasury), Bill Richardson, former Governor of New Mexico, an ex-ambassador to the United Nations and United States Energy Secretary[2], Michael Steinhardt, Jacob Rothschild,[3][2], and Mary Landrieu, former United States Senator from Louisiana. "

[osan]

They own it as surely as Syria owns the land it controls or any other country owns its territory.

Should we keep recognizing the KMT as the rulers of mainland China?

The only thing that bothers me is our subsidization of their hold on it and the likelihood that we will be drafted to help them keep it if Syria or anyone else comes close to taking it away from them.

Have to give them credit for being cagey in their own best interests.

[Swordsmyth]

Have to give them credit for being cagey in their own best interests.
To a point, but when they abuse us I stop giving them any credit.
If only we looked out for our own interests half as much as they do.

[RonZeplin]

Trump's Golan Move Was Timed To Guarantee Netanyahoo's Reelection (https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/03/trumps-golan-move-is-designed-to-guarantee-netanyahoos-reelection.html)

The people who paid for Trump's election campaign, foremost casino magnate and zionist Sheldon Adelson, want to keep the Israeli Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahoo in office. Netanyahoo is under investigation in several corruption cases and has a serious competitor in the upcoming general elections in Israel. Trump needs money for his re-election campaign and is willing to do anything to get it.

Trump is colluding with Netayahoo to influence the Israeli election. It is the reason why he decided yesterday to claim that Israel has sovereignty over the Golan Heights:

Donald J. Trump realDonaldTrump - 16:50 utc - 21 Mar 2019 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1108772952814899200)
After 52 years it is time for the United States to fully recognize Israel’s Sovereignty over the Golan Heights, which is of critical strategic and security importance to the State of Israel and Regional Stability!


The Heights are Syrian lands that were occupied by Israel during its 1967 war of aggression against Egypt and Syria.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/images8/golan-s.jpg
bigger (https://www.moonofalabama.org/images8/golan.jpg)

The Heights are of strategic-military value. Whoever controls them can also control the plains east, west and south to it. Israel built several radar and spy station on the heights that allow it to see deep into Syria.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/images8/golantopo-s.jpg
This profile picture falsely depicts the occupied Heights territory as Israeli.
The internationally recognized border runs near the river line.
bigger (https://www.moonofalabama.org/images8/golantopo.jpg)

McClatchy has the tic toc (https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article228242449.html) of Trump's decision:

President Donald Trump’s tweet on Thursday recognizing the Golan Heights as Israeli territory surprised members of his own Middle East peace team, the State Department, and Israeli officials. U.S. diplomats and White House aides had believed the Golan Heights issue would be front and center at next week’s meetings between Trump and Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu at the White House. But they were unprepared for any presidential announcement this week.


Trump's declaration was expected, but not for yesterday. The reason for the premature ejaculation is obvious. Yesterday a new case of Netyahoo's utter corruption came to light (https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-and-the-submarine-scandal-everything-you-need-to-know/):

State prosecutors are reportedly considering opening yet another criminal graft investigation against Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, this time in the so-called submarine affair, citing “dramatic” new information.


Netanyahoo made a profit of $4 million from shares he owned in a company that was bought out by Thyssen-Krupp, a German conglomerate from which Israel under Netanyahoo ordered submarines and corvettes.

The new revelations threatened to blow up Netanyahoo's reelection campaign. Trump's sudden Golan Heights move was timed to bury them.
Back to McClatchy (https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article228242449.html):

The wording of Trump’s tweet likely falls short of a formal, declarative recognition, according to Dan Shapiro, former U.S. ambassador to Israel under former President Barack Obama. But little more than a statement from the president or secretary of state is necessary to secure the major U.S. policy shift. The White House is mulling several ways to formalize the policy decision, including a potential executive order signing ceremony on Monday with Netanyahu present.
...
Administration officials said that National Security Advisor John Bolton was instrumental to the decision, after visiting Israel in January to assure officials there that the United States would not abandon them in Syria despite Trump’s sudden withdrawal of troops from the battlefield.


The hasty move itself was typical Bolton (https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2019/03/harper-president-trump-needs-a-good-plumber.html). There was no policy process to plan and announce the decision. Long standing legal advise from other departments which warned of the move was ignored.

Trump has no power to give Israel sovereignty over anything. Several UN resolutions determined (UNSCR242 (http://unscr.com/en/resolutions/242)) and reconfirmed (UNSCR497 (http://unscr.com/en/resolutions/497)) that the Golan Heights are Syrian territory illegally occupied by Israel. The European Union, Russia and others rejected Trump's move and called it illegal.

Trump's move though might have some standing in U.S. courts. That will become important when law suites are filed against Genie Energy Ltd., an oil company in Newark New Jersey that wants to drill for oil in the Golan Heights (https://journal-neo.org/2017/03/30/golan-heights-israel-oil-and-trump/) area:

Genie Energy is no “penny stock” run-of-the-mill oil company. Its board of Advisors includes Dick Cheney. It includes former CIA head and chairman of the above-mentioned Foundation for Defense of Democracies, James Woolsey. It includes Jacob Lord Rothschild of the London banking dynasty and a former business partner of convicted Russian oil oligarch, Mikhail Khodorkovsky. Before his arrest Khodorkovsky secretly transferred his shares in Yukos Oil to Rothschild.

Further this little-known Newark, New Jersey oil company board includes former US Energy Secretary Bill Richardson, pro-Israel media mogul and owner of Trump’s favorite Fox News TV, Rupert Murdoch. Also on the board are former Treasury Secretary Larry Summers and hedge fund billionaire Michael Steinhardt. Steinhardt, a philanthropic friend of Israel and of Marc Rich, is also a board member of Woolsey’s neo-con Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, which advises Trump among other things that it would be good for Washington to recognize Israel as legitimate owner of the Golan Heights lands taken by Dayan in the 1967 War.



Under international law it is illegal to draw natural resources from occupied territory. With Trump's move the owners and board members of Genie Energy receive an additional layer of legal cover in U.S. and Israeli courts.

........
The 'deal of the century' for peace between Arabs and the Zionists that Trump's son in law Jared Kushner was supposed to arrange is now dead.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/03/trumps-golan-move-is-designed-to-guarantee-netanyahoos-reelection.html

[osan]

To a point, but when they abuse us I stop giving them any credit.

Au contraire, mon ami. The more we let them abuse us, the more I cheer them on. Nothing more despicable than a willing victim. I must, therefore, cheer on their abusers because no matter the evil they foist, those upon whom they do so are even more evil.

Lack of self-respect sufficient to rouse a person from the corruptions that consume him and drive him to destruction needs to come to its natural end and not be protected under a false rubric of tolerance, enlightenment, and compassion. Helping those who steadfastly refuse to help themselves is a felonious act. Until America shows some self-respect, I say to its enemies that they should keep at us until either we are destroyed through the agency of our own corruption, or we stand tall and destroy them to the last soul.

[/quote]If only we looked out for our own interests half as much as they do.[/QUOTE]

Indeed.

[Pauls' Revere]

Whats the blowback from this going to be like?