Would Ron ever sell out to the HMOs like Hillary?

[Starks]

I keep hearing about plans for universal health care, but nothing comes to fruition because congressmen are paid off if they shut up about the issue.

[angrydragon]

I doubt he would sell out.

[Electrostatic]

He's an OB/GYN who has delivered thousands of babies when not serving in Congress... I really can't see him forcing people to pay money into an HMO system that's only going to keep denying their claims.

That's what almost all of the "Healthcare" plans you here about now are (Including the "Liberal" ones)... (Except fo Kucinich, but good luck with that.)

In case you haven't heard, thanks to Romney there are now a couple hundred thousand people in Mass. living "outside the law" because they refused to give money to the same HMO's that were targeted in SiCKO.

http://www.sbsun.com/news/ci_6272538

And Romney is Bragging about it!!! The "Healthcare" plans are nothing but forced payment into the pockets of government sponsered HMO's... All of the costs of universal healthcare, with none of the benifits... Gee, Thanks but no thanks, guys...

[njandrewg]

yes...all those decades of being an honest guy were just a trick to sell out to the HMOs

[cac1963]

I keep hearing about plans for universal health care, but nothing comes to fruition because congressmen are paid off if they shut up about the issue.

I believe it's in a corporation's best interest to slough their health insurance commitments off onto the taxpayer's shoulders and would do everything they could to bring about such a plan. It would drastically reduce their personnel costs and bring about some hefty windfalls for their shareholders by skirting that enormous outlay while keeping their retail prices the same. So it doesn't make sense that they'd try to buy off people to keep them from promoting universal healthcare.

[Starks]

I'm all for universal health care, but where is the money gonna come from? I'm sure even Ron knows that it won't be a charity. Taxes will go up, right?

[ksuguy]

One thing I like about Ron is that he has a personal understanding of the health care industry since he was a practicing doctor for so long. I don't know about you, but I'd think a doctor would be far more qualified to address issues in that area than a politician.

[Starks]

But how does Dr. No plan to socialize medicine?

[angrydragon]

From another thread...

Well buddy, it depends on how you look at the issue. Do you want everyone else to pay for universal health care through government via taxation? If so, that's socialism.

If it's through the market and charities, then that happens via freedom and freedom of taxation. Once government is phased out of health care, prices will drop. Doctors and hospitals will offer lower costing services or even for free to those that are poor, as they did before the government involvement in health care. It's been proven that the less taxes there are, the more charitable donations are given by people.

Like Dr. Paul said, with Medicare and Medicaid, hospitals and doctors charge the maximum amount of money, which raise the cost of care for everyone. Before government involvement, they charged a minimum amount, and free to those who couldn't afford the minimum. I think someone on the forum here did the numbers.

You can also get rid of the monopoly doctors have to give prescriptions for less severe illnesses and have nurses tend to these needs.

You could even go further to say that taxes are a form of coercion, where you are either fined or jailed for not paying. Well the IRS have guns now, so...

[Starks]

From another thread...


You could even go further to say that taxes are a form of coercion, where you are either fined or jailed for not paying. Well the IRS have guns now, so...

My God... That's sheer brilliance.

[Nefertiti]

In general, I don't believe Ron Paul will sell out on any issue. However, he will not have absolute power in this country, nor should he, as our government is based on the balance of the three branches of the government. We need to be realistic about what he can do. For example, I don't think we can realistically expect the income tax to disappear under his presidency. It would be foolish if we don't take other steps first. I think we can realistically expect that he will try to cut costs so that it might become a possibility in the future. But we need to cut back on spending and need to get out of debt before we can eliminate the income tax, or he will have to come up with alternatives to bring in the revenue from other sources.

[angrydragon]

When he does become President, I hope he will give weekly show on liberty. What it really means to be free, how government is run and usually destroys wealth instead of creating wealth.

[Starks]

When he does become President, I hope he will give weekly show on liberty. What it really means to be free, how government is run and usually destroys wealth instead of creating wealth.

Don't we get enough of that from Badnarik? <_<

[Brandybuck]

HMOs are private businesses. Ron Paul is not going to shut them down, if that's what you want. The solution to the healthcare problem isn't more government intervention, it's getting the government OUT of the industry, including out of the business of selling favors to the highest bidder.

[Gee]

But how does Dr. No plan to socialize medicine?
He doesn't, thank god.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul339.html
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul175.html
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul143.html
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul119.html
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul83.html
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul345.html

[angrydragon]

Don't we get enough of that from Badnarik? <_<

Well at the very least, tell us things (bills, laws, politicians, etc) that are corrupt or tyrannical in government.

[Broadlighter]

But how does Dr. No plan to socialize medicine?

Why do you want Socialized medicine? Because you think it would be more affordable?

Why not get the economy on the right track first, curb inflation by circulating real money instead of incurring debt?

Then we get the government OUT of the health care business altogether and make the doctors, drug companies, supplement companies, insurance companies and alternative health practitioners compete for your business. Options become available, prices go down. The poor become better able to make more money and save it for that rainy day.

Now wouldn't that be better than standing in line for your government doctor with a life-threatening illness?

[Montana]

Originally Posted by Starks View Post
But how does Dr. No plan to socialize medicine?The problem with socialized medicine (and socialism in general) is that it separates the person who pays from the person who needs the service. The result of this is two things: First, prices skyrocket. Two surgeons of equal skill may be capable of doing an operation, and the patient will choose the one that charges $5000 more because his office is 10 miles closer and the government is footing the tab. Second, care is denied. If a $50,000 "experimental" operation is your only hope, you will find a way to pay it. Will the government? Probably not.

The real solution to health care is to put it back into the hands of the people. Insurance should be for catastrophes only. You might pay $50/month for a policy with a $10,000 deductible in case you get cancer. But if you get a cold, well, go see the nurse and pay for the visit out of pocket. The price will be lower than it is now because the practitioners will have to compete with each other, since you'll take extortionate pricing into account when you decide where to go, rather than just passing it onto the insurance company or Uncle Sam.