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Anti Federalist
02-24-2019, 05:40 AM
It’s time to take John Wayne’s name off the Orange County airport

https://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-hiltzik-john-wayne-oc-airport-20190221-story.html

By MICHAEL HILTZIK
FEB 21, 2019 | 1:05 PM

Most people familiar with the life story of John Wayne are aware that the late movie star was a dyed-in-the-wool right-winger — after all, he was still making a movie glorifying America’s conduct of the Vietnam War (“The Green Berets,” 1968) well after the country had begun to get sick of the conflict.

But the resurrection of a 1971 interview Wayne gave to Playboy magazine has underscored the sheer crudeness of the actor’s feelings about gay people, black people, Native Americans, young people and liberals.

This doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s impossible or immoral to enjoy Westerns and war movies starring John Wayne; that’s a personal choice. But it certainly undermines any justification for his name and image to adorn a civic facility.

I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility.

We’re talking about Orange County’s John Wayne Airport. It’s long past the time that Wayne’s name should come down.

This wouldn’t be the first time that the airport’s name has been the subject of debate. Orange County Supervisors pondered the issue in 2008, when local tourism officials expressed concern that the name failed to convey exactly where the airport is located. There may have been other occasions since 1979, when the supervisors christened the airport at the urging of Supervisor Thomas F. Riley.

Riley was an ex-Marine, but his rationale is lost in the mists of time. It may have had something to do with Wayne’s status as a rock-ribbed Republican conservative, which was Orange County’s self-image in that period.

But that Orange County no longer exists. That should be evident from the results of November’s election, in which voters turfed out the county’s last remaining GOP members of Congress — some of whom had embraced Donald Trump in a fruitless effort to save their careers--and elected an all-Democratic congressional delegation. Orange County today is such an economically and ethnically diverse community that it’s hard to justify asking any member of that community to board planes at an airport named after an outspoken racist and homophobe, with his strutting statue occupying a central niche in front of the concourse.

Wayne’s May 1971 Playboy interview has been unearthed before, notably in 2016 when his daughter Aissa endorsed Donald Trump for president. But it may well resonate more today, when iconic representations tied to racism, such as statues of Confederate war heroes, are being evicted from public spaces.

So let’s take a gander at some of John Wayne’s opinions, circa 1971. A typescript of the Playboy interview, which I link to here, has been circulating widely and is the source of the quotes, but I validated it against facsimile pages from the original Playboy edition. Magazine writer Richard Warren Lewis conducted the interview at Wayne’s home in Newport Beach.

Gay people:

Wayne: Movies were once made for the whole family. Now, with the kind of junk the studios are cranking out. … I'm quite sure that within two or three years, Americans will be completely fed up with these perverted films.

PLAYBOY: What kind of films do you consider perverted?

WAYNE: Oh, Easy Rider, Midnight Cowboy — that kind of thing. Wouldn't you say that the wonderful love of those two men in Midnight Cowboy, a story about two ****, qualifies?

Black people:

WAYNE: With a lot of blacks, there's quite a bit of resentment along with their dissent, and possibly rightfully so. But we can't all of a sudden get down on our knees and turn everything over to the leadership of the blacks. I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don't believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.

PLAYBOY: Are you equipped to judge which blacks are irresponsible and which of their leaders inexperienced?

WAYNE: It's not my judgment. The academic community has developed certain tests that determine whether the blacks are sufficiently equipped scholastically. But some blacks have tried to force the issue and enter college when they haven't passed the tests and don't have the requisite background. … But if they aren't academically ready for that step, I don't think they should be allowed in. Otherwise, the academic society is brought down to the lowest common denominator. … What good would it do to register anybody in a class of higher algebra or calculus if they haven't learned to count? There has to be a standard. …

I think the Hollywood studios are carrying their tokenism a little too far. There's no doubt that 10 percent of the population is black, or colored, or whatever they want to call themselves; they certainly aren't Caucasian. Anyway, I suppose there should be the same percentage of the colored race in films as in society. But it can't always be that way. There isn't necessarily going to be 10 percent of the grips or sound men who are black, because more than likely, 10 percent haven't trained themselves for that type of work.

Native Americans:

PLAYBOY: For years American Indians have played an important — if subordinate — role in your Westerns. Do you feel any empathy with them?

WAYNE: I don't feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them, if that's what you're asking. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves. …

PLAYBOY: How do you feel about the government grant for a university and cultural center that these Indians [then encamped on Alcatraz Island] have demanded as "reparations"?

WAYNE: What happened between their forefathers and our forefathers is so far back — right, wrong or indifferent — that I don't see why we owe them anything. I don't know why the government should give them something that it wouldn't give me.

PLAYBOY: Do you think they've had the same advantages and opportunities that you've had?

WAYNE: I'm not gonna give you one of those I-was-a-poor-boy-and-I-pulled-myself-upby-my-bootstraps stories, but I've gone without a meal or two in my life, and I still don't expect the government to turn over any of its territory to me. Hard times aren't something I can blame my fellow citizens for. Years ago, I didn't have all the opportunities, either. But you can't whine and bellyache 'cause somebody else got a good break and you didn't, like these Indians are. We'll all be on a reservation soon if the socialists keep subsidizing groups like them with our tax money.

Wayne made these comments against a backdrop of generalized contempt for those he labeled leftists, socialists, and communists, without making much distinction among them.

Some of Wayne’s defenders have stepped forward to say it’s unfair to condemn an elderly man’s memory for a 48-year-old interview conducted during a very different era. In a statement issued Wednesday to Fox News, Wayne’s family says, “It’s unfair to judge someone on something that was written that he said nearly 50 years ago when the person is no longer here to respond.”

But that won’t wash. Wayne was a few weeks shy of his 64th birthday when the interview appeared in print. It was 1971, so the civil rights revolution had been going on for years; Martin Luther King Jr. had been assassinated three years before.

Wayne wasn’t expressing the tenor of the times — he was reacting to the advances being won by African Americans through demonstrations and legislation. His words already were retrograde when they were uttered. Wayne wasn’t an old conservative who hadn’t yet been “woke”; he had seen the future, and it put him into a racist rage.

The family’s statement also refers to Wayne’s “continuing work to find a cure for cancer through the John Wayne Cancer Foundation and the John Wayne Cancer Institute.” It’s unclear what they mean. Both charities were founded after Wayne’s 1979 death when his family allowed his name to be used, apparently for fundraising; the institute is located at St. John’s Medical Center in Santa Monica. They may do good work, but it doesn’t appear that Wayne himself participated during his life.

Nor did he serve in wartime, despite his later flag-waving and Vietnam War-mongering. Wayne was 34 when the Pearl Harbor attack brought the U.S. into World War II, and reportedly dodged enlistment even in the documentary film unit headed by his mentor, director John Ford, which apparently irked Ford no end.

The great irony of the airport’s moniker is that John Wayne’s old home of Newport Beach hates John Wayne Airport. The first line of the Newport Beach municipal website devoted to the history of the airport states, “Each decade that the airport has been in existence has brought with it changes that have adversely impacted Newport Beach neighborhoods.”

The city sued Orange County in the 1980s to block the airport’s expansion, eventually settling on noise abatement rules that remain in effect, more or less. These account for the bizarre take-off pattern experienced by departing passengers, which involves a sharp climb followed by a sudden cutback in engine power as the aircraft crosses over residential neighborhoods.

That leaves us with the question of why John Wayne’s name should be associated with any civic institution in Orange County, its airport or otherwise. He doesn’t appear to have been a major contributor to civic life in his home town or county; in 2016, when a GOP state assemblyman from Orange County tried to get the state to declare a “John Wayne Day,” he was rebuffed when legislators mentioned Wayne’s support for the House Un-American Activities Committee and the John Birch Society.

There surely are residents or natives of Orange County more deserving of having their name on the airport. (My vote would go to electric guitar pioneer Leo Fender, a native of Fullerton.) But the most appropriate choice might be the one proposed by those tourism officials in 2008. Just call it Orange County Airport.

Anti Federalist
02-24-2019, 05:50 AM
Meanwhile:

He Said to Kill People in Interracial Relationships, Yet an Airport Is Named for Him. (No, It’s not John Wayne)

https://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/item/31552-he-said-to-kill-people-in-interracial-relationships-yet-an-airport-is-named-for-him-no-it-s-not-john-wayne

Written by Selwyn Duke

“A black man should be killed if he’s messing with a white woman.” This sentiment was uttered not in 1875 but 1975 — by a man with an airport named in his honor.

This brings us to the effort to strip late actor John Wayne’s name from the airport in Orange County, California.

Those advocating such point to what they consider “the sheer crudeness of the actor’s feelings about gay people, black people, Native Americans, young people and liberals,” as the Los Angeles Times’ Michael Hiltzik puts it. But my opening, eyebrow-raising quotation is what’s truly shocking here. Let’s be fair: How can a man who uttered it have an airport named after him in 2019?

How?

Because the man who uttered it was not John Wayne.

It was late boxer Muhammad Ali.

While leftist cultural revolutionaries are talking this month about renaming John Wayne Airport, just last month they renamed Louisville, Kentucky’s airport after Ali. I doubt Hiltzik considered this when inveighing against Wayne; I doubt he’d even care. But Ali not only wasn’t the “civil rights” icon some fancy him, he was actually a strict racial separatist possessed of strong prejudice — and more.

Let’s compare the two men. While you can read Hiltzik’s article for the complete “case against Wayne,” or even the 1971 Playboy interview the following is from, here’s what the Left appears to consider the most damning statement he made:

With a lot of blacks, there's quite a bit of resentment along with their dissent, and possibly rightfully so. But we can't all of a sudden get down on our knees and turn everything over to the leadership of the blacks. I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. [Emphasis added.] I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.

... But some blacks have tried to force the issue and enter college when they haven't passed the tests and don't have the requisite background.... But if they aren't academically ready for that step, I don't think they should be allowed in.

While “white supremacy” was a poor choice of words, Wayne appeared to be opposed to the then-existing “white supremacy” as a permanent condition, while also opposing the instant elevation of blacks to positions of power based on affirmative action; he didn’t say that he opposed blacks in power in principle. But you can be the judge.

Now, however, consider the following exchange in another Playboy interview, this one with Ali in 1975:

Ali: A black man should be killed if he’s messing with a white woman. And white men have always done that. They lynched ******* for even looking at a white woman; they'd call it reckless eyeballing and bring out the rope. Raping, patting, mischief, abusing, showing our women disrespect — a man should die for that. And not just white men — black men, too. We will kill you, and the brothers who don’t kill you will get their behinds whipped and probably get killed themselves if they let it happen and don’t do nothin’ about it. Tell it to the President — he ain’t gonna do nothin’ about it. Tell it to the FBI: We’ll kill anybody who tries to mess around with our women. Ain’t nobody gonna bother them.

Playboy: And what if a Muslim woman wants to go out with non-Muslim blacks — or white men, for that matter?

Ali: Then she dies. Kill her, too.

That’s pretty definitive. And, question: Who made the more outrageous statement, Wayne or Ali?

Ali had a history of this, too. While the Louisville airport probably won’t honor him to the extent of having different facilities for whites and blacks, he did — in accordance with his Nation of Islam doctrine — consistently preach racial separation. Just consider what he said in a 1968 interview produced for PBS’ THIRTEEN (to watch the interview, click here; the relevant portion begins at 11:50).

Ali essentially reiterated these beliefs in the ’75 Playboy interview — when he was already 33 years old.

For the record, I’m no rabid Ali hater. I’ve been a fan of boxing retrospectives, and from what I’ve seen he generally treated people of all races well on a personal level (though the black competitors he called Uncle Toms might have disagreed). He also had unparalleled skills both in the ring and out of it, the latter when he sold his fights with wit and showmanship not seen in sportsmen before or since. But how does he deserve honor if Wayne doesn’t?

Ali does not. But he’s getting it because of our day’s prevailing identity politics, where you’re judged not based on what you’ve done, but who you are. Ali was black and Wayne was white — and that’s all the cultural revolutionaries need to know.

So Confederate and other statues and tradition come down as our culture is torn up and past white figures are judged, and condemned, based on the most politically incorrect thing they said or did 50, 100, or 200 years ago. Yet no complaints are made about the Islamic “prophet” Ali followed, Mohammed, who was not only a slave owner and trader, but engaged in theft, torture, beheading, and mass murder.

Interestingly, Hiltzik buttresses his case by stating that the Republican Wayne was honored decades ago by a conservative Orange County that “no longer exists.” Yet note: Everyone from the past was largely “conservative” by today’s standards — even, and especially, the “classical liberals” the Founding Fathers. So maybe, as our civilization continues drifting “left,” the name of every honored historical figure needs to be stricken from what it graces.

Of course, that’s the whole idea behind cultural revolutions — with exceptions made, today, for the right-color racists.

tod evans
02-24-2019, 06:26 AM
Fuck 'em all !

Bunch of nanny-stater feel good morons...

Life ain't pretty and opinions are like assholes, everybody's got one and most, if not all, stink.

Stratovarious
02-24-2019, 06:55 AM
John Wayne was a Slave Owner.

:frog:


There are some claims in the first article without '' '' quotation marks, that's a sneaky way for the author to
inject things that aren't quotes, things that weren't said, but give the appearance that they are.

John Wayne neither did nor said anything in the 60's or 70' that wasn't universally accepted by the bulk of society,
world over, not just US.

The Globalist, Socialist-Liberal Goal is to remove God, Culture, Gender, reproduction, icons, History, and rewrite 'Life' to accept
Government as our new 'God'.

Mach
02-24-2019, 03:59 PM
Multiculturalism

Ali Starts at 2:07



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDa-3VkLDMw

Pauls' Revere
02-24-2019, 04:12 PM
$#@! 'em all !

Bunch of nanny-stater feel good morons...

Life ain't pretty and opinions are like $#@!s, everybody's got one and most, if not all, stink.


Right, why are we elevating celebrities & politicians to this kind of status?

Can we have an airport named after the Kardashians? please, oh pretty please.

AngryCanadian
02-24-2019, 04:13 PM
Interracial Relationships never work out, where i live there is a Interracial wife and husband and they havent seen each other to eye to eye in a long time. Libearls who support this ridicules ideology are

nikcers
02-25-2019, 06:51 AM
Right, why are we elevating celebrities & politicians to this kind of status?

Can we have an airport named after the Kardashians? please, oh pretty please.

How about someone like Aaron Swartz or Kalief Browder or someone else that has been blessed by our justice system.

Stratovarious
02-25-2019, 06:59 AM
Right, why are we elevating celebrities & politicians to this kind of status?

Can we have an airport named after the Kardashians? please, oh pretty please.
Why not Maxine Waters , we'd have to remove the racist wig, she's in 'White Hair' .

Or Rosie O'Donell.........



:frog:

specsaregood
02-25-2019, 07:15 AM
I think the question to ask is, "would john wayne even want his name on the OC airport nowadays?" I'm guessing not.

Origanalist
02-25-2019, 07:23 AM
I think the question to ask is, "would john wayne even want his name on the OC airport nowadays?" I'm guessing not.

I sure as hell wouldn't.

Superfluous Man
02-25-2019, 07:30 AM
Most people familiar with the life story of John Wayne are aware that the late movie star was a dyed-in-the-wool right-winger — after all, he was still making a movie glorifying America’s conduct of the Vietnam War (“The Green Berets,” 1968) well after the country had begun to get sick of the conflict.


What a strange statement. How does glorifying the foreign policies of Kennedy and LBJ make him right-wing?

acptulsa
02-25-2019, 09:09 AM
What a strange statement. How does glorifying the foreign policies of Kennedy and LBJ make him right-wing?

Harper Lee is now right wing. Harper Lee!

I think the main point of erasing history is so people don't discover that people who call themselves "conservative" today hold views that would have made a full-blown communist blush in the late 1950s. They've moved the goalposts so far that the conservative goal line is just exactly where the liberal goalposts were fifty years ago.

And still we have 'lesser of evils' shills here saying to play along with these non-conservatives rather than pressing for a complete reset.

As for Cassius Clay, of course his racism isn't racist. We all know how that works... :rolleyes:

Superfluous Man
02-25-2019, 09:11 AM
Harper Lee is now right wing. Harper Lee!

I think the main point of erasing history is so people don't discover that people who call themselves "conservative" today hold views that would have made a fulk-blown communist blush in the late 1950s. They've moved the goalposts so far that the conservative goal line is just exactly where the liberal goalposts were fifty years ago.

And still we have 'lesser of evils' shills here saying to play along with these none conservatives rather than pressing for a complete reset.

As for Cassius Clay, of course his racism isn't racist. We all know how that works... :rolleyes:

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to acptulsa again."

PAF
02-25-2019, 09:21 AM
"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to acptulsa again."

+1

Pauls' Revere
02-25-2019, 10:04 AM
Why not Maxine Waters , we'd have to remove the racist wig, she's in 'White Hair' .

Or Rosie O'Donell.........



:frog:

sure wouldn't be any worse.

donnay
02-25-2019, 10:13 AM
The soy-boys just want to make sure that REAL men are removed from history. :mad:

When I think of John Wayne I think of true grit (not the movie).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0Zwzl4guqM

NorthCarolinaLiberty
02-25-2019, 11:26 AM
Wayne and Ali should've dueled. Maybe a sword fight.

brushfire
02-25-2019, 11:54 AM
Ali Starts at 2:07



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDa-3VkLDMw


Good for Ali - There are a lot of simple minded folks, and the social issues that come with them. It takes an intelligent man to recognize that, and it takes a brave man to point those simple facts out. While it may be unpopular to acknowledge, mixed race can create some real social issues for a child. A mixed race child is alienated from both blacks and whites.

As a libertarian, this is very obvious - libertarians cross over both democrat and republican philosophies. Libertarians are the idealogical mulattos of US politics, and we'll face the same social challenges, that is until we are recognized as a "race" of our own.

It all comes down to tribalism, and the very politicians (or politically correct for that matter) who denounce it are the ones who partake and exploit this primal trait of human beings.

Anti Federalist
03-01-2019, 04:15 AM
John Wayne Did Nothing Wrong

https://www.takimag.com/article/john-wayne-did-nothing-wrong/

by Jim Goad

February 25, 2019

I was born in 1961 and from my dim memories of TV fare in the 1960s, there were only two races in America: cowboys and Indians. Of the 30 top-rated TV shows in 1961 and 1962, a robust seven of them were westerns. The top three were all westerns: Wagon Train, Bonanza, and Gunsmoke. Not a single show back then featured black actors as regulars. It wouldn’t be until 1965 that a novelty coon named Bill Cosby became the first black featured actor on a TV show, starring as Robert Culp’s sidekick on I Spy. Otherwise, blacks were essentially nonexistent on TV—sort of how Hispanics are today.

America as portrayed in western films and TV shows was one of expansion, of conquering the frontier, of unapologetic pride and heroism. And no one epitomized the noble cowboy more than John Wayne.

America in 2019 is a place of concession, of erasing the borders, of unbridled apologies, and endless prostration. Naturally, this makes John Wayne a target.

Last Sunday, self-proclaimed screenwriter Matt Williams—a balding, bearded, bespectacled, smirking shlub that the 6’4” Duke would have been able to knock unconscious nearly by breathing on him—stubbed his chubby toe on John Wayne’s 1971 Playboy interview and tweeted in full swollen-clit estrogenic rage:

Jesus fuck, John Wayne was a straight up piece of shit

Watch your language there, Pilgrim, and show some respect. The only question about what would happen if you were placed in between cowboys and Comanches is which group would slay you first.

The usual suspects quickly gathered in formation and began squeaking and squalling and shrieking and bawling and self-mutilating and administering one another crack-laced enemas over the idea that anyone—even someone born in 1907—could utter such things without being lynched or necklaced or at least scalped until he either died or repented.

Here are some of the comments from their interview that their fragile hummingbird hearts aflutter. I’m quoting a lot simply because there was a lot of gold in them thar hills:

The academic community has developed certain tests that determine whether the blacks are sufficiently equipped scholastically. But some blacks have tried to force the issue and enter college when they haven’t passed the tests and don’t have the requisite background.

I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.

Our so-called stealing of this country from them [Indians] was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.

I don’t feel guilty about the fact that five or 10 generations ago these people were slaves….Now, I’m not condoning slavery. It’s just a fact of life, like the kid who gets infantile paralysis and has to wear braces so he can’t play football with the rest of us.

I will say this, though: I think any black who can compete with a white today can get a better break than a white man. I wish they’d tell me where in the world they have it better than right here in America.

I’d like to know why well-educated idiots keep apologizing for lazy and complaining people who think the world owes them a living. I’d like to know why they make excuses for cowards who spit in the faces of the police and then run behind the judicial sob sisters. I can’t understand these people who carry placards to save the life of some criminal, yet have no thought for the innocent victim.

Giddy-up! That’s quite a saddle bag to unpack, especially since it brings up ideas that I’ve been clobbering you over the head with for years:

• Blacks have it better in America than they do in any majority-black nation on this big blue marble. I’ve been urging people to contradict me on this point for a quarter-century and all anyone has done in response is call me bad names.

• Affirmative action favors academically qualified blacks over everyone else. For example, at Princeton as of 2015, blacks receive a 230-point handicap on the SATs compared to whites; compared to Asians, they get a 280-point bonus.

• Feeling guilt over anything that happened five or ten generations before you were born is a fool’s errand.

• Positions of authority should not be allotted to incompetent boobs merely because you pity their ancestors.

I challenge anyone to toss aside their silk slippers and silver tiara and attempt to explain what is factually or logically inconsistent about any of Wayne’s comments.

Then again, we aren’t dealing with rational people; we’re dealing with religious thinkers to whom whiteness and maleness are evil pestilences.

In Exodus 34:13, God instructs the Israelites, who were performing an ancient version of Manifest Destiny, to occupy the land of their natural enemies and demolish everything that’s sacred to the Amorites, Canaanites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites:

But ye shall destroy their altars, break their images, and cut down their groves.

For all the flak that former American icons get about being colonists who destroyed culture, that’s exactly what’s happening to former American icons now under the smelly clenched fist of multicultural globalism. Every attempt to erase the memory of someone whose opinions were mainstream a mere 50 or 100 years ago simply because they had no problem being white or male is a method of destroying altars, breaking images, and cutting down groves.

It’s what’s happening with Confederate monuments all through the South, and now it’s happening with John Wayne Airport in Orange County, CA, which features a nine-foot bronze statue of the Duke. The brouhaha over Wayne’s Playboy comments led Pulitzer Prize-winning columnist Michael Hiltzik to solemnly declare:

It’s time to take John Wayne’s name off the Orange County airport….Orange County today is such an economically and ethnically diverse community that it’s hard to justify asking any member of that community to board planes at an airport named after an outspoken racist and homophobe, with his strutting statue occupying a central niche in front of the concourse.

Note that there are no similar movements to rename any streets or monuments to FDR, who once declared in a moment of race-realist candor:

You and I, Burt, are old English and Dutch stock. We know who our ancestors are. We know there is no Jewish blood in our veins, but a lot of these people do not know whether there is Jewish blood in their veins or not.

Nor is there any clarion call from major media to abolish the endlessly silly homage to Che Guevara, who uttered:

The first person we hit on was the mayor, someone called Cohen; we had heard a lot about him, that he was Jewish as far as money was concerned but a good sort….

The black is indolent and a dreamer; spending his meager wage on frivolity or drink; the European has a tradition of work and saving, which has pursued him as far as this corner of America and drives him to advance himself, even independently of his own individual aspirations.

Take a look at any picture of John Wayne and compare it to photos of any of his critics, and it will immediately be evident who was heroic and who is a mere submissive altar boy dutifully carrying water for modern pieties.

If there are any images to be destroyed, it should not be bronze statues of John Wayne or mountain carvings of Confederate heroes. It should be anything that’s sacred to the egalitotalitarian lunatics who think John Wayne did anything wrong