Venezuela was my home, and socialism destroyed it

[Warlord]

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https://twitter.com/RandPaul/status/1098626025792176130

[Anti Globalist]

Socialists in America be like "That wasn't real socialism."

[timosman]

Socialists in America be like "That wasn't real socialism."

Do as we say, not as we do. :D

[Brian4Liberty]

Socialists in America be like "That wasn't real socialism."

Exactly. Always the lame excuse. Plus they like to redefine terms.

[angelatc]

Socialists in America be like "That wasn't real socialism."

Liberals on RPF be like "He's a CIA plant."

[Brian4Liberty]

Venezuela was my home, and socialism destroyed it. Slowly, it will destroy America, too. (https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2019/02/15/donald-trump-venezuela-socialism-bernie-sanders-ilhan-omar-column/2861461002/)
While neither 'Medicare for All' nor a wealth tax will turn America into Venezuela overnight, all it would take is a series of catastrophic policies.


The first time I couldn’t buy food at the grocery store, I was 15 years old. It was 2014 in Caracas, Venezuela, and I had spent more than an hour in line waiting. When I got to the register, I noticed I had forgotten my ID that day. Without the ID, the government rationing system would not let the supermarket sell my family the full quota of food we needed. It was four days until the government allowed me to buy more.

This was fairly normal for me. All my life, I lived under socialism in Venezuela until I left and came to the United States as a student in 2016. Because the regime in charge imposed price controls and nationalized the most important private industries, production plummeted. No wonder I had to wait hours in lines to buy simple products such as toothpaste or flour.

And the shortages went far beyond the supermarket.

My family and I suffered from blackouts and lack of water. The regime nationalized electricity in 2007 in an effort to make electricity “free.” [They are trying to do this in California. - B4L] Unsurprisingly, this resulted in underinvestment in the electrical grid. By 2016, my home lost power roughly once a week.

Our water situation was even worse. Initially, my family didn’t have running water for only about one day per month, but as the years passed we sometimes went several weeks straight without it.
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The welfare programs, many minimum-wage hikes and nationalizations implemented by their regimes resulted in a colossal government deficit that the central bank covered by simply printing more money — leading to rampant inflation. Now, prices double every few weeks, and the standard of living continues to plummet.

I watched what was once one of the richest countries in Latin America gradually fall apart under the weight of big government.
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Though so many of us Venezuelans fled to the USA to escape from the destructive consequences of socialism, liberal politicians like Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., and Rep. José Serrano, D-N.Y., have praised the same kind of policies that produced famine, mass exodus and soaring inflation in Venezuela.
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Additionally, many congressional Democrats support Medicare for All and the Green New Deal, proposals that would nationalize the health insurance industry, guarantee everyone who wants it a job and massively raise taxes, increasing government intervention in the economy like few countries except Cuba and Venezuela have seen before. Proponents think that they can give all Americans quality health care, housing and everything for free and that somehow, politicians can do a better job at running a business than the business owners themselves.

These proposals would skyrocket the budget deficit and national debt, which just reached a record $22 trillion. If that is not enough, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez endorsed paying for the proposal by asking the Federal Reserve to print money. This is exactly what produced Venezuela’s nightmare.
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More: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2019/02/15/donald-trump-venezuela-socialism-bernie-sanders-ilhan-omar-column/2861461002/

[juleswin]

I love this line the most


I can assure Mr. Krugman that I’m neither uninformed nor dishonest

Because if he was uninformed or dishonest, he would know this and let us in on it. A man wh was born during the so called socialist regime has no historic context to judge the situation. I am sure a similar teen who supports Chavez can write such a dishonest article where he doesn't mention anything about socialism and only talks about US and its sanctions expecting me to believe the garbage.

Anyone that talks to you about mixed economy Venezuela without mentioning US meddling(sanctions, multiple coup attempts etc) is a fraud, ignore everything they have to say about Venezuela and move on. They are trying to bamboozle you.

[Swordsmyth]

I love this line the most



Because if he was uninformed or dishonest, he would know this and let us in on it. A man wh was born during the so called socialist regime has no historic context to judge the situation. I am sure a similar teen who supports Chavez can write such a dishonest article where he doesn't mention anything about socialism and only talks about US and its sanctions expecting me to believe the garbage.

Anyone that talks to you about mixed economy Venezuela without mentioning US meddling(sanctions, multiple coup attempts etc) is a fraud, ignore everything they have to say about Venezuela and move on. They are trying to bamboozle you.
"It's not real socialism"

Right on cue.

[Anti Federalist]

"It's not real socialism"

Right on cue.

"He's a CIA plant"

Right on cue as well.

I know more than few people in the oil business who have had a front row seat to the swirling toilet bowl of Venezuelan socialism.

[AngryCanadian]

Sanctions destroyed Venezuela before socialism polices could even take roots. Sanctions had being place on Venezuela three times.

on't believe me?
https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/programs/pages/venezuela.aspx

Its clear Rand Paul is not like his father when it comes to regime changes, when in fact Rand Paul is on supporting a regime change in Venezuela.

[juleswin]

"It's not real socialism"

Right on cue.

You know, I have liberal friends who tell me that we have tried capitalist healthcare system in this country and it has failed, they say its time to try socialism. They say the same thing you tell me when I try to explain to them that what we had is not real capitalism, it is a mixture of socialism and capitalism.

You should know better but I have to say that I am not surprised that you are just as ignorant and partisan as my liberal friends. Carry on believeing that Venezuela doesn't have a mixed economic system, I don't think I have the mental fortitude to cure you of your ignorance.

[juleswin]

Sanctions destroyed Venezuela before socialism polices could even take roots. Sanctions had being place on Venezuela three times.

on't believe me?
https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/programs/pages/venezuela.aspx

Its clear Rand Paul is not like his father when it comes to regime changes, when in fact Rand Paul is on supporting a regime change in Venezuela.

Rand Paul is at best average when it comes to foreign policy. This is a man who to this day still believes that the historic feud between shia and sunni is the main cause of the Syria war, a man who voted for Iran sanctions. The man looks good on foreign policy only because just about everybody else is horrible on the issue. I would hope Rand works on eradicating the socialism in this country before trying to stick his dirty nose in a places it doesn't belong.

Unfortunately for all of us, Rand Paul is definitely no Ron Paul and nt even close :(

[Swordsmyth]

You know, I have liberal friends who tell me that we have tried capitalist healthcare system in this country and it has failed, they say its time to try socialism. They say the same thing you tell me when I try to explain to them that what we had is not real capitalism, it is a mixture of socialism and capitalism.

You should know better but I have to say that I am not surprised that you are just as ignorant and partisan as my liberal friends. Carry on believeing that Venezuela doesn't have a mixed economic system, I don't think I have the mental fortitude to cure you of your ignorance.
Pure capitalism is capitalism, anything else is some degree of socialism.

But Venezuela isn't even a "mixed economy" if you want to invent that category, they are a socialist country with small amounts of vestigial capitalism, even the USSR and Mao's china had vestigial capitalism because life just doesn't work without capitalism.

[Swordsmyth]

Sanctions destroyed Venezuela before socialism polices could even take roots. Sanctions had being place on Venezuela three times.

on't believe me?
https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/programs/pages/venezuela.aspx

Its clear Rand Paul is not like his father when it comes to regime changes, when in fact Rand Paul is on supporting a regime change in Venezuela.
Socialism was destroying Venezuela long before there were any sanctions, they have been socialist since Bolivar, Chavez and Maduro only made things much worse and even the sanctions on them didn't do nearly the damage that socialism did, they had plenty of help from Cuba, Russia, China and other anti-western countries to compensate for the sanctions.

[Swordsmyth]

Socialism was destroying Venezuela long before there were any sanctions, they have been socialist since Bolivar, Chavez and Maduro only made things much worse and even the sanctions on them didn't do nearly the damage that socialism did, they had plenty of help from Cuba, Russia, China and other anti-western countries to compensate for the sanctions.
LOL

Angry Commie negged me for daring to disagree with him.

[juleswin]

Pure capitalism is capitalism, anything else is some degree of socialism.

But Venezuela isn't even a "mixed economy" if you want to invent that category, they are a socialist country with small amounts of vestigial capitalism, even the USSR and Mao's china had vestigial capitalism because life just doesn't work without capitalism.

Isn't it awfully convenient for your side to categorize everything with a hint of socialism as socialist while nothing system is capitalist? sort like the 1 drop rule but with economies. Sorry but the same way a half golden retriever, half alsatian dog cant be called an alsatian, that is the same way a mixed economic system can't be refered to as capitalist nor socialist. Everything doesn't have to be black or white.

So when people say Venezuala is not real socialism, there is a good reason for that.

[Swordsmyth]

Isn't it awfully convenient for your side to categorize everything with a hint of socialism as socialist while nothing system is capitalist? sort like the 1 drop rule but with economies. Sorry but the same way a half golden retriever, half alsatian dog cant be called an alsatian, that is the same way a mixed economic system can't be refered to as capitalist nor socialist. Everything doesn't have to be black or white.

So when people say Venezuala is not real socialism, there is a good reason for that.
I covered that argument:

But Venezuela isn't even a "mixed economy" if you want to invent that category, they are a socialist country with small amounts of vestigial capitalism, even the USSR and Mao's china had vestigial capitalism because life just doesn't work without capitalism.

[angelatc]

"He's a CIA plant"

Right on cue as well.

I know more than few people in the oil business who have had a front row seat to the swirling toilet bowl of Venezuelan socialism.

I meant Rand. :)

[juleswin]

I covered that argument:

But Venezuela isn't even a "mixed economy" if you want to invent that category, they are a socialist country with small amounts of vestigial capitalism, even the USSR and Mao's china had vestigial capitalism because life just doesn't work without capitalism.

What percentage is that? and what is the cut off?

[Swordsmyth]

What percentage is that? and what is the cut off?
You tell me, you are the one who wants there to be such a thing as a "mixed" economy.

[juleswin]

You tell me, you are the one who wants there to be such a thing as a "mixed" economy.


Public Sector Employment in Venezuela Is Not So Large as the Associated Press Suggests
Published: 11 October 2012

An Associated Press article dated October 9 states that Venezuela has

“ at least 2.4 million national government employees, making up 8 percent of the country's population. By comparison, the United States, with tenfold the population, has almost the same number of federal employees, at 2.7 million.”

If Venezuela really had 10 times as many public employees as the U.S., relative to its labor force, this would be amazing. However it is not true.

Venezuela actually has, according to the latest statistics, 2.49 million public employees – including all levels of government. With a labor force of about 13.5 million, this is about 18.4 percent of the labor force. (Labor force is a better denominator than total population because of different demographics between countries).

The U.S. as of September 2012 had 22 million public employees, or 14.2 percent of the labor force. Thus the difference in public employment between Venezuela and the U.S. is therefore about 4 percentage points.

One reason for the AP’s misleading comparison is that it does not take into account that most public employees in the U.S. (19.2 million of 22 million) are employed at the state and local level. In most other countries, including Venezuela, the reverse is true.

Of course the U.S. has a relatively low level of public employment compared to other high-income countries. France, Finland, Denmark, Sweden, and Norway all have public sector employment percentages in the 20s, with France at 22 percent and Norway at 29 percent.

In this article, the author is using Venezuela’s public employment to argue that Chávez had a big advantage over his opponent in the recent election. However this is not clear. Most of the wealth and income of the country still belongs to people who oppose the government, and several studies show that the majority of the media (pdf) was biased in favor of Capriles. Whether Chávez’s speeches on television could compensate for this overall media bias against him is not at all clear.

Political scientist Justin Delacour, who has studied media coverage of Venezuela for many years, argues that this article shows a considerable double standard on the part of AP. He writes: “I cannot recall one time in all my years of reading AP reports that these sorts of electoral advantages have ever been discussed by your newswire. It is only when a left-wing party acquires significant PR resources that your newswire is suddenly so concerned about fairness on the PR front in a country's electoral process.” He notes that most media in Latin America are biased in favor of right-wing or center-right parties, but that has not been an issue in AP reporting.

http://cepr.net/blogs/the-americas-blog/public-sector-employment-in-venezuela-is-not-so-large-as-the-associated-press-suggests

And another AP article that not only criticizes socialism but savages the Chavez govt in its report.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/what-socialism-private-sector-still-dominates-venezuelan-economy-despite-chavez-crusade

My answer would be that a country is definitely socialist if more than 75% of the GDP comes from the public sector. For me, it has to be a super majority :)

[Swordsmyth]

http://cepr.net/blogs/the-americas-blog/public-sector-employment-in-venezuela-is-not-so-large-as-the-associated-press-suggests

And another AP article that not only criticizes socialism but savages the Chavez govt in its report.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/what-socialism-private-sector-still-dominates-venezuelan-economy-despite-chavez-crusade

My answer would be that a country is definitely socialist if more than 75% of the GDP comes from the public sector. For me, it has to be a super majority :)
How many private companies must be nationalized?

[juleswin]

How many private companies must be nationalized?

I like your strategy, answering all my questions with mre questions. Its an easy way to dodge answering hard questions. Carryon man, I will return when u grow some balls

[Swordsmyth]

I like your strategy, answering all my questions with mre questions. Its an easy way to dodge answering hard questions. Carryon man, I will return when u grow some balls
LOL

My strategy is to make you commit to specifics instead of just chanting "that's not real socialism".

I see you don't want to deal with the nationalizations and we haven't even gotten to all of the price controls yet.

LOL

[angelatc]

LOL

Angry Commie negged me for daring to disagree with him.

If this were real life, he'd shoot you in the head.

[Swordsmyth]

If this were real life, he'd shoot you in the head.
From behind.

[Peace Piper]

Sanctions destroyed Venezuela before socialism polices could even take roots. Sanctions had being place on Venezuela three times.

That doesn't matter to those who are buying what Rand is selling



Its clear Rand Paul is not like his father when it comes to regime changes, when in fact Rand Paul is on supporting a regime change in Venezuela.

This latest Venezuela pablum is from the guy that endorsed Mitt Romney before the convention. If anyone here had done that, they would have been insta-banned. But Rand is a Paul, so it's better to just obey and not question. Even if it goes against everything Ron Paul stood for over 30+ years. Rand was and is his father's worst nightmare. He has either alienated many of his fathers supporters or taken them for granted. Well not me, I'm here for principles not people. F rand.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c5odNzKVbk

That was after Papa Paul lied to his supporters about making a deal, so as to keep the money flowing in. It's a tragic end to a superb career, one where Ron Paul was the only truth teller in the wasteland that is Washington, District of Crininals.

The proper response to this Venezuela nonsense is this:

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Is Tulsi Perfect?

Hell NO- but we were all told repeatedly in 2012 that no candidate is perfect. Rand said so himself, while endorsing a disgusting person for president. As soon as someone better comes along with a similar anti-war message (right now Tulsi is the only one) I'll support them. The most important thing now is that the US stop blowing the future on bombing and invading other countries. How many more Trillions are the American people going to allow to be squandered?

[Swordsmyth]

That doesn't matter to those who are buying what Rand is selling




This latest Venezuela pablum is from the guy that endorsed Mitt Romney before the convention. If anyone here had done that, they would have been insta-banned. But Rand is a Paul, so it's better to just obey and not question. Even if it goes against everything Ron Paul stood for over 30+ years. Rand was and is his father's worst nightmare. He has either alienated many of his fathers supporters or taken them for granted. Well not me, I'm here for principles not people. F rand.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3c5odNzKVbk

That was after Papa Paul lied to his supporters about making a deal, so as to keep the money flowing in. It's a tragic end to a superb career, one where Ron Paul was the only truth teller in the wasteland that is Washington, District of Crininals.

The proper response to this Venezuela nonsense is this:

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1094171297217761281

Is Tulsi Perfect?

Hell NO- but we were all told repeatedly in 2012 that no candidate is perfect. Rand said so himself, while endorsing a disgusting person for president. As soon as someone better comes along with a similar anti-war message (right now Tulsi is the only one) I'll support them. The most important thing now is that the US stop blowing the future on bombing and invading other countries. How many more Trillions are the American people going to allow to be squandered?
Tulsi isn't just not perfect, she is not even close:

https://twitter.com/TheView/status/1098280827048194048

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[Anti Federalist]

The proper response to this Venezuela nonsense is this:

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It is the proper response.

And our response should be to close the borders and cease all immigration, especially from failed socialist states.

If they want to survive on zoo animals and pograms, that's on them. Tough shit for them, I say.

Don't even think about bringing that trash here.

[Miguel]

More like CIAism is destroying Venezuela. I wonder why we are ignoring the un Federal non Reserve having Federal Reserve. The CIA has been trying to overthrow the Venezuelan government for decades, thats what destroying Venezuela. The Petro Dollar anyone? It couldn't be all the oil Venezuela has that "Socialism" wants to destroy is it?

[Cap]

More like CIAism is destroying Venezuela. I wonder why we are ignoring the un Federal non Reserve having Federal Reserve. The CIA has been trying to overthrow the Venezuelan government for decades, thats what destroying Venezuela. The Petro Dollar anyone? It couldn't be all the oil Venezuela has that "Socialism" wants to destroy is it?It really is just this simple.

[Superfluous Man]

Rand Paul is on supporting a regime change in Venezuela.

I have not seen evidence of this. Have you?

[Superfluous Man]

This latest Venezuela pablum is from the guy that endorsed Mitt Romney before the convention. If anyone here had done that, they would have been insta-banned.

That's only because there was a rogue moderator at the time who was still trying to push for Ron to get nominated and give a speech from the convention floor against the wishes of Ron himself and banned people for supporting Ron Paul's decision.

Rand did nothing wrong in that endorsement.

Criticizing Venezuela's socialism is not pablum. Nor is it calling for regime change. A person can criticize the destructive socialist policies of foreign regimes and warn their own countrymen not to follow that same destructive path without calling for regime change there. In fact, I don't see how we can do anything other than that.

[angelatc]

It is the proper response.

And our response should be to close the borders and cease all immigration, especially from failed socialist states.

If they want to survive on zoo animals and pograms, that's on them. Tough shit for them, I say.

Don't even think about bringing that trash here.

But up until 2 weeks ago we were the number one purchaser of their oil. 41% of what they produced was sold to us, while all imports of everything from anywhere was halted. You seem to think like I do on a lot of topics - how do you balance that subsidizing the oppressive government (who again, won't allow anything anybody else sells to be imported) with the "we need to stay out of it?"

I know how Ron Paul feels. Trade with anybody. I'm not that person. I boycott companies I don't like, even though I'm usually the only participant in said boycott, because I don't want to fund their nonsense. The same people who demand we trade with socialists even though they're not trading with us are the same people who get pissy when we trade arms.

Screw the liberals - starve them to death. If we have to stop buying their oil, then so be it.

[angelatc]

This latest Venezuela pablum is from the guy that endorsed Mitt Romney before the convention.

And there is it. Like clockwork.

$20 says he voted for Bernie and Hillary both.

[Superfluous Man]

I know how Ron Paul feels. Trade with anybody. I'm not that person. I boycott companies I don't like, even though I'm usually the only participant in said boycott, because I don't want to fund their nonsense.

I don't think Ron Paul would oppose you in that. Voluntary participation in a boycott is exactly what someone with your views should do, and if they want others to join them, then try to convince them to by their own choice.

This philosophy should replace all trade sanctions.

[angelatc]

I don't think Ron Paul would oppose you in that. Voluntary participation in a boycott is exactly what someone with your views should do, and if they want others to join them, then try to convince them to by their own choice.

This philosophy should replace all trade sanctions.

What is so maddening here is that Venezuela doesn't allow imports from anybody. We don't need trade sanctions, and that's not what this is.

[Miguel]

What is so maddening here is that Venezuela doesn't allow imports from anybody. We don't need trade sanctions, and that's not what this is.

Venezuela does allow imports, just not from the U.S.

[angelatc]

Venezuela does allow imports, just not from the U.S.

Source?

[Anti Federalist]

But up until 2 weeks ago we were the number one purchaser of their oil. 41% of what they produced was sold to us, while all imports of everything from anywhere was halted. You seem to think like I do on a lot of topics - how do you balance that subsidizing the oppressive government (who again, won't allow anything anybody else sells to be imported) with the "we need to stay out of it?"

I know how Ron Paul feels. Trade with anybody. I'm not that person. I boycott companies I don't like, even though I'm usually the only participant in said boycott, because I don't want to fund their nonsense. The same people who demand we trade with socialists even though they're not trading with us are the same people who get pissy when we trade arms.

Screw the liberals - starve them to death. If we have to stop buying their oil, then so be it.

I agree.

We have more than enough supply here to make up the paltry amounts being bought.

Keep in mind Venezualan crude is high sulfur "black" crude of fairly low quality, less demand these days for that anyway,

[Krugminator2]

But up until 2 weeks ago we were the number one purchaser of their oil. 41% of what they produced was sold to us, while all imports of everything from anywhere was halted. You seem to think like I do on a lot of topics - how do you balance that subsidizing the oppressive government (who again, won't allow anything anybody else sells to be imported) with the "we need to stay out of it?"

I know how Ron Paul feels. Trade with anybody. I'm not that person. I boycott


The normal thinking on this is oil is world market. If the US didn't allow oil from Venezuela into the US then someone else would just buy their oil and it would have no effect on their profits. That's why we still buy oil from the worst Middle East countries. One argument against Venezuela might be they own Citgo and getting rid of that would hurt their profits.


at 1:10
https://stosselintheclassroom.org/videos/energy_independence_fact_vs_fiction/

[Warlord]

this kid is/was smart enough to escape but what about the millions that are suffering?

[juleswin]

But up until 2 weeks ago we were the number one purchaser of their oil. 41% of what they produced was sold to us, while all imports of everything from anywhere was halted. You seem to think like I do on a lot of topics - how do you balance that subsidizing the oppressive government (who again, won't allow anything anybody else sells to be imported) with the "we need to stay out of it?"

I know how Ron Paul feels. Trade with anybody. I'm not that person. I boycott companies I don't like, even though I'm usually the only participant in said boycott, because I don't want to fund their nonsense. The same people who demand we trade with socialists even though they're not trading with us are the same people who get pissy when we trade arms.

Screw the liberals - starve them to death. If we have to stop buying their oil, then so be it.

I don't think anyone has a problem with YOU as an individual, company boycotting anyone. For instance, I support BDS of Israel which is private sector boycott by individual and corporation. This type of boycott leaves govt out of it and this way anyone else who doesn't believe in my agenda can give me the mddle finger and continue to buy items from Israel. This is not what we have with Venezuela, the US govt doesn't buy Venezuelan oil, it is individuals in the market deciding they want to engage in commerce with Venezuela.

But thanks to Trump, these individuals are prevented from buying that crude. Btw, one of the smart things Venezuela did with the oil riches was to buy refineries in the US. They bought these refineries so they can refine their oil with it. I won't be surprised if the majority of the oil purchases were done by those companies and its affiliates.

Starve them to death? dont you mean "let em starve"? One is passive and the other is active, makes me think that deep down inside where your heart is supposed to be, you know exactly what we have been doing to that country.

[juleswin]

The normal thinking on this is oil is world market. If the US didn't allow oil from Venezuela into the US then someone else would just buy their oil and it would have no effect on their profits. That's why we still buy oil from the worst Middle East countries. One argument against Venezuela might be they own Citgo and getting rid of that would hurt their profits.


at 1:10
https://stosselintheclassroom.org/videos/energy_independence_fact_vs_fiction/

To be fair, with Iran which is by a wide margin not the worst Middle east(near east?) nation, we have sanction that limit their oil sale. We don't buy their oil and in fact we have been pressuring India not to buy their oil. Thank God they ignored the last 2 idiots in the WH

[Miguel]

Source?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i20UKi-RdSA

[angelatc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i20UKi-RdSA

Russian propaganda on Youtube isn't a legitimate source. Please point me to their updated trade laws.

[Miguel]

Russian propaganda on Youtube isn't a legitimate source. Please point me to their updated trade laws.

Actually its a Iranian source. :) Here's some good ol' American yahoo propaganda https://news.yahoo.com/china-against-forcefully-sending-aid-venezuela-095250390.html

[angelatc]

Actually its a Iranian source. :) Here's some good ol' American yahoo propaganda https://news.yahoo.com/china-against-forcefully-sending-aid-venezuela-095250390.html

I will take this to mean that you do not actually have a link to any updated Venezuelan trade laws then.

[Miguel]

I will take this to mean that you do not actually have a link to any updated Venezuelan trade laws then.

I'll take it you can tell me the new neocon Laws?