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dillo
02-10-2019, 03:35 PM
Does the constitution permit someone who has a citizenship in a foreign country to serve in congress? Is ones foreign citizenship publicly available?

Gumba of Liberty
02-10-2019, 03:41 PM
This issue should be pushed into the mainstream. Dual citizens should not be able to serve in any branch of the Federal or State governments.

dillo
02-10-2019, 03:52 PM
This issue should be pushed into the mainstream. Dual citizens should not be able to serve in any branch of the Federal or State governments.

I know there's rules about officership in the Military, but I wonder why the same principles don't apply to congress.

Itsback
02-10-2019, 03:54 PM
This issue should be pushed into the mainstream. Dual citizens should not be able to serve in any branch of the Federal or State governments.

I agree 100%.

oyarde
02-10-2019, 04:01 PM
Must be 25 , citizen of US for seven years prior to election day , a resident of the state representing . Cannot have taken part in the rebellion or aided the enemy .

Pauls' Revere
02-10-2019, 05:27 PM
I know there's rules about officership in the Military, but I wonder why the same principles don't apply to congress.



LOL a lot of things don't apply.

http://archives-democrats-rules.house.gov/Archives/jcoc2ai.htm

Anti Globalist
02-10-2019, 05:35 PM
Well most of our politicians have dual citizenship with Israel.

Swordsmyth
02-10-2019, 07:07 PM
We should outlaw dual citizenship like many other countries do, when you accept our citizenship you should have to renounce all others.

Failing that we need a Constitutional Amendment to bar dual citizens from any government office or job.

TheTexan
02-10-2019, 07:17 PM
This issue should be pushed into the mainstream. Dual citizens should not be able to serve in any branch of the Federal or State governments.

Dual citizenship should not be allowed at all. Anyone with another citizenship clearly hates America and should be treated as the traitors that they are.

TheTexan
02-10-2019, 07:19 PM
We should outlaw dual citizenship like many other countries do, when you accept our citizenship you should have to renounce all others.


And if an American citizen accepts another country's citizenship, that person should be deported immediately to their new country since they hate America so much.

TheTexan
02-10-2019, 07:22 PM
If we can't eliminate dual citizenship, maybe we can introduce the concept of Double citizenship. E.g., I am a Double American citizen. Only eligible for people born in America who's parents were born in America to parents who were born in America.

And only people who hold double/triple American citizenship could hold office.

Swordsmyth
02-10-2019, 07:22 PM
And if an American citizen accepts another country's citizenship, that person should be deported immediately to their new country since they hate America so much.
They should be given the option to renounce one citizenship or the other and if they give up American citizenship then they should be given a limited amount of time to apply for legal residence, if they don't apply or don't qualify then they should be deported if they don't leave.

Swordsmyth
02-10-2019, 07:23 PM
If we can't eliminate dual citizenship, maybe we can introduce the concept of Double citizenship. E.g., I am a Double American citizen. Only eligible for people born in America who's parents were born in America to parents who were born in America.

And only people who hold double/triple American citizenship could hold office.
The founders did that with the office of President, perhaps they should have done so for more offices.

TheTexan
02-10-2019, 07:25 PM
They should be given the option to renounce one citizenship or the other and if they give up American citizenship then they should be given a limited amount of time to apply for legal residence, if they don't apply or don't qualify then they should be deported if they don't leave.

Yes, because if an American who certainly isn't me for example acquired a EU passport so they could have the right to work in a place like, lets say Switzerland, it's clearly a red flag that this person is a socialist big government foreign traitor.

Swordsmyth
02-10-2019, 07:25 PM
Dual citizenship should not be allowed at all. Anyone with another citizenship clearly hates America and should be treated as the traitors that they are.
They don't necessarily hate America but different countries have different interests and those who may put the interests of another country before America should not hold positions in the American government.

Swordsmyth
02-10-2019, 07:28 PM
Yes, because if an American who certainly isn't me for example acquired a EU passport so they could have the right to work in a place like, lets say Switzerland, it's clearly a red flag that this person is a socialist big government foreign traitor.
If you acquired EU citizenship in order to obtain that passport then you certainly should not be trusted with a position in the American government.
If the EU won't let you work in the EU without EU citizenship then that is their problem.

No man can serve two masters.

TheTexan
02-10-2019, 07:30 PM
If you acquired EU citizenship in order to obtain that passport then you certainly should not be trusted with a position in the American government.

I would no longer be eligible to work in the TSA??!?!?!? Oh no!!



No man can serve two masters.

I disagree, we seem to be serving many hundreds already :cool:

Stratovarious
02-10-2019, 07:35 PM
Well most of our politicians have dual citizenship with Israel.
Link?

Swordsmyth
02-10-2019, 07:49 PM
Link?

There is a petition to have government catalog and reveal the citizenships of our elected leaders. (https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/dual-citizenship-public-officials-creates-conflicts-interest)

juleswin
02-10-2019, 09:02 PM
What difference would it make? Is John McCain. John Bolton, Lindsey Graham, Donald Trump, Nancy Pelosi etc etc dual citizens? Trump was on video saying how he would support Israel 1000% and gets a whole bunch of single citizen, patriotic Americans to vote for him. The constitution cannot save the American voters from voting for the Israeli agent.

We all know who these double agents are and it makes very little difference to the voters.

Swordsmyth
02-10-2019, 09:07 PM
What difference would it make? Is John McCain. John Bolton, Lindsey Graham, Donald Trump, Nancy Pelosi etc etc dual citizens? Trump was on video saying how he would support Israel 1000% and gets a whole bunch of single citizen, patriotic Americans to vote for him. The constitution cannot save the American voters from voting for the Israeli agent.

We all know who these double agents are and it makes very little difference to the voters.
Every little bit helps.

Little drops of water and little grains of sand make the mighty ocean and the mighty land.

juleswin
02-10-2019, 09:13 PM
Every little bit helps.

Little drops of water and little grains of sand make the mighty ocean and the mighty land.

I think its a red herring, I don't think the issue with dual citizenship is all its cracked up to be, the vast majority of people in congress are just good ole boys Americans but that doesn't stop them from virtually being 100% super pro Israel. Or maybe I think this way because I am a dual citizen :)

TheTexan
02-10-2019, 10:29 PM
I think its a red herring, I don't think the issue with dual citizenship is all its cracked up to be, the vast majority of people in congress are just good ole boys Americans but that doesn't stop them from virtually being 100% super pro Israel. Or maybe I think this way because I am a dual citizen :)

Not everyone who has dual citizenship is a spy secretly working against America, but most are.

Pauls' Revere
02-10-2019, 10:32 PM
I'm sure illegal's vote so why can't foreigners make our laws?

Occam's Banana
02-11-2019, 04:21 AM
My comment from another thread on the subject:


I don't live in a lot of places. For example, I don't live in Azerbaijan. Nor do I live in Connecticut. So any "public official" or "elected representative" in Connecticut is just as much a "dual-citizenship foreigner" to me regardless of whether his forebears came over on the Mayflower or he (or his forebears) came from Azerbaijan.

IOW: As far as I'm concerned, Congress is composed of 532 foreigners ... (and I'm not so sure about the other three, either ...)

Stratovarious
02-11-2019, 05:50 AM
There is a petition to have government catalog and reveal the citizenships of our elected leaders. (https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/dual-citizenship-public-officials-creates-conflicts-interest)
Thanks for the link.
Americans need to know, this is not something I would list under 'right to privacy' .
I wonder why this is not a prominent subject.....rhetorical.
:frog:

dillo
02-11-2019, 01:21 PM
My comment from another thread on the subject:

People in Connecticut have sworn and represent the same constitution and flag as you do(assuming you're american). An Azerbaijanian does not.

Zippyjuan
02-11-2019, 01:35 PM
According to the US Constitution, all citizens have dual citizenship- that of the country and of the state they live in.

From the Fourteenth Amendment: https://www.jurist.org/commentary/2018/11/medeiros-birthright-citizenship-us-constitution/


"[a]ll persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside",

Superfluous Man
02-11-2019, 01:56 PM
I would like to see this enacted just for the dramatic reactions that would ensue from all the anti-semites when they see that their belief that every Jew in Congress holds Israeli citizenship turns out to be a myth. I imagine that they would continue to believe that they do still hold Israeli citizenship, and would chalk up the failure to report this to some kind of conspiracy.

Occam's Banana
02-11-2019, 02:23 PM
People in Connecticut have sworn and represent the same constitution and flag as you do (assuming you're american).

:confused: I am what is commonly referred to as an "American" (and so were my forebears going back at least several generations, so far as I know) - but I haven't "sworn and represent[ed]" to or for any such things, so I'm not sure what you're getting at when you say "as you do (assuming you're [A]merican)".


An Azerbaijanian does not.

He does if he becomes an "American" citizen ("dually" or otherwise) and then becomes a "public official" or "elected representative" in Connecticut (which is exactly the condition I specified in my remarks).

And if some "Mayflower" Connecticutter thinks he has any right to dictate to me or mine, even though he lives nowhere near me and is in no way a part of my home or community, then he can go pound the same sand as the Azerbaijani Connecticutter can - and I don't give a damn what flag or document either one of them cares to fetishize. They're both foreign interlopers as far as I'm concerned, and they should just butt the hell out of my business (as I should do for them and others in Connecticut).

Swordsmyth
02-11-2019, 02:35 PM
According to the US Constitution, all citizens have dual citizenship- that of the country and of the state they live in.

From the Fourteenth Amendment: https://www.jurist.org/commentary/2018/11/medeiros-birthright-citizenship-us-constitution/
That is not what is being discussed, don't be stupid.
The states are members of the union, we are discussing those who hold OUTSIDE citizenship.

Swordsmyth
02-11-2019, 02:38 PM
I would like to see this enacted just for the dramatic reactions that would ensue from all the anti-semites when they see that their belief that every Jew in Congress holds Israeli citizenship turns out to be a myth. I imagine that they would continue to believe that they do still hold Israeli citizenship, and would chalk up the failure to report this to some kind of conspiracy.
Unfortunately Israel makes them all eligible for instant citizenship any time they want to move there so whatever your opinion about them people will still suspect that their true loyalty is to Israel.

And why should we not suspect that? They certainly vote as if it were true.

Swordsmyth
02-11-2019, 02:39 PM
My comment from another thread on the subject:
My reply in that thread:


Some "foreigners" are more distant geographically, culturally and share fewer interests than others.

Your point is a good one however, we do need separation from some of those representatives and their constituents but that doesn't change the problem that this is intended to deal with.

Superfluous Man
02-11-2019, 02:42 PM
Unfortunately Israel makes them all eligible for instant citizenship any time they want to move there so whatever your opinion about them people will still suspect that their true loyalty is to Israel.

And why should we not suspect that? They certainly vote as if it were true.

Eligible for citizenship does not equal citizenship.

Swordsmyth
02-11-2019, 02:57 PM
Eligible for citizenship does not equal citizenship.
I didn't say it was but when all they have to do is fly there and claim it then it is almost the same thing.

Superfluous Man
02-11-2019, 03:02 PM
I didn't say it was but when all they have to do is fly there and claim it then it is almost the same thing.

I know. I don't think I've ever seen you say something like that.

But claims about some outrageous number of occupants of high office in America being citizens of Israel area commonly made here without any evidence to support them. Those who want to believe that see the distinction between citizenship and mere eligibility for citizenship as a minor detail not worth noticing.

Occam's Banana
02-11-2019, 03:04 PM
My reply in that thread:

Which doesn't really contradict anything I said.

I'm just not as liberal about the issue as you are ... :p

Swordsmyth
02-11-2019, 03:07 PM
I know. I don't think I've ever seen you say something like that.

But claims about some outrageous number of occupants of high office in America being citizens of Israel area commonly made here without any evidence to support them. Those who want to believe that see the distinction between citizenship and mere eligibility for citizenship as a minor detail not worth noticing.
You should support the petition to reveal how many actually have Israeli citizenship in order to have the truth revealed.

And when the citizenship can be claimed by simply traveling there and accepting it the difference between holding it and being eligible for it is minimal.

EBounding
02-11-2019, 03:10 PM
Dual citizenship should not be allowed at all. Anyone with another citizenship clearly hates America and should be treated as the traitors that they are.

Being able to vote in two different countries is pretty cool tho. :cool:

Suzanimal
02-11-2019, 03:28 PM
Does the constitution permit someone who has a citizenship in a foreign country to serve in congress? Is ones foreign citizenship publicly available?

I believe so.

Cruz and Bachman were duel citizens until they ran for President and I'm fairly certain Schumer holds duel citizenship with Israel.

Zippyjuan
02-11-2019, 04:23 PM
I believe so.

Cruz and Bachman were duel citizens until they ran for President and I'm fairly certain Schumer holds duel citizenship with Israel.

Canada considered Cruz Canadian since he was born there. The US considered him American since his parents were. Bachman married a Swiss national and says she took Swiss Citizenship (in addition to her US citizenship) because her kids said they wanted dual citizenship. Both Cruz and Bachman gave up their second citizenship when the issue was raised. Schumer is Jewish but I can't find anything reliable confirming that he has any dual citizenship. He was born in Brooklyn and I can't even find any indications he ever lived outside of New York other than when he went to Harvard.

jkr
02-11-2019, 05:08 PM
something
something

"...you cannot serve 2 ma$terz..."

-seid some guy

oyarde
02-11-2019, 05:35 PM
I believe so.

Cruz and Bachman were duel citizens until they ran for President and I'm fairly certain Schumer holds duel citizenship with Israel.

I think Satan also claims Schumer.

Anti Globalist
02-11-2019, 05:37 PM
I think Satan also claims Schumer.
Satan holds dominion over all democrats. Most republicans too, but definitely 100% of all democrats.

Swordsmyth
02-11-2019, 05:50 PM
Satan holds dominion over all demoncrats. Most republicans too, but definitely 100% of all demoncrats.

Fixed it.

dillo
02-11-2019, 08:52 PM
:confused: I am what is commonly referred to as an "American" (and so were my forebears going back at least several generations, so far as I know) - but I haven't "sworn and represent[ed]" to or for any such things, so I'm not sure what you're getting at when you say "as you do (assuming you're [A]merican)".



He does if he becomes an "American" citizen ("dually" or otherwise) and then becomes a "public official" or "elected representative" in Connecticut (which is exactly the condition I specified in my remarks).

And if some "Mayflower" Connecticutter thinks he has any right to dictate to me or mine, even though he lives nowhere near me and is in no way a part of my home or community, then he can go pound the same sand as the Azerbaijani Connecticutter can - and I don't give a damn what flag or document either one of them cares to fetishize. They're both foreign interlopers as far as I'm concerned, and they should just butt the hell out of my business (as I should do for them and others in Connecticut).

I’m not really seeing your point, I’m not arguing a person from a different country cannot become American, I am however implying that dual loyalties are real and dangerous.