Ron Paul Democrats

[davidkachel]

In another thread it is being discussed that some people are running for local office or for Congress as "Ron Paul Republicans". And that this is a good idea to potentially give RP some additional support in Congress when he is in the white house, but...

Ahem,

Folks there is the seed of a larger idea here...

Are there not also "Ron Paul Democrats"?!!!

And if there are Ron Paul Republicans AND Ron Paul Democrats and if there are districts where only a Democrat is likely to win and others only Republicans, and since RP Democrats AND Republicans are sincere about their party affiliations and would therefore NOT be trying to hoodwink anyone, wouldn't there be TWICE the possibility to load Congress with both Republicans AND Democrats all favorable to the cause of freedom?

And if BOTH a RP Democrat AND a RP Republican were running for the SAME office wherever possible, what then?

Just food for thought.

[Mark Rushmore]

In another thread it is being discussed that some people are running for local office or for Congress as "Ron Paul Republicans". And that this is a good idea to potentially give RP some additional support in Congress when he is in the white house, but...

Ahem,

Folks there is the seed of a larger idea here...

Are there not also "Ron Paul Democrats"?!!!

And if there are Ron Paul Republicans AND Ron Paul Democrats and if there are districts where only a Democrat is likely to win and others only Republicans, and since RP Democrats AND Republicans are sincere about their party affiliations and would therefore NOT be trying to hoodwink anyone, wouldn't there be TWICE the possibility to load Congress with both Republicans AND Democrats all favorable to the cause of freedom?

And if BOTH a RP Democrat AND a RP Republican were running for the SAME office wherever possible, what then?

Just food for thought.

It'd take some great acting work to get a Paulian to pass in mainstream Democratic circles ;).

[Ron Paul Fan]

There's no such thing.

[Talldude1412]

What would be a RP democrats platform?

[JosephTheLibertarian]

What would be a RP democrats platform?

hmm. blue collar democrat

low taxes/secure borders

hmm, personally, I think border should be left to states.

[davidkachel]

It'd take some great acting work to get a Paulian to pass in mainstream Democratic circles ;).

Your point being??? Doesn't it take the same effort for a Paulian in mainstream Republican circles?

Since all Democrat Paulians by definition are/were genuine Democrats, wherein lies the difficulty?

[Danny Molina]

Probably only on social issues.

[davidkachel]

What would be a RP democrats platform?

Gee, there's only ten or twelve THOUSAND of them here. Why not ask them?

[Ron Paul Fan]

Pro life, low taxes, free markets, cut government spending considerably, pro 2nd amendment. Sounds like a Democrat to me!

[Talldude1412]

Gee, there's only ten or twelve THOUSAND of them here. Why not ask them?

I'm not being vicious, I'm honestly curious what you would have as part of the RP democrats platform?

[davidkachel]

Pro life, low taxes, free markets, cut government spending considerably, pro 2nd amendment. Sounds like a Democrat to me!

How about ending the war?
How about ending federal spying on citizens?
How about restoring habeus corpus?

[robatsu]

Well, I'm hoping to convert alot of Montgomery County MD Democrats to the progressive vision of a free and properous nation that protects the rights and dignity of its citizens.

There are a lot of aspects of our current authoritarian, corporatarian form of government that are just as repugnant to those on the left as to those on the right.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

I tend to lean pro choice myself.

You know, Howard Dean is/was pro 2nd amendment

[dshields]

In another thread it is being discussed that some people are running for local office or for Congress as "Ron Paul Republicans". And that this is a good idea to potentially give RP some additional support in Congress when he is in the white house, but...

Ahem,

Folks there is the seed of a larger idea here...

Are there not also "Ron Paul Democrats"?!!!

And if there are Ron Paul Republicans AND Ron Paul Democrats and if there are districts where only a Democrat is likely to win and others only Republicans, and since RP Democrats AND Republicans are sincere about their party affiliations and would therefore NOT be trying to hoodwink anyone, wouldn't there be TWICE the possibility to load Congress with both Republicans AND Democrats all favorable to the cause of freedom?

And if BOTH a RP Democrat AND a RP Republican were running for the SAME office wherever possible, what then?

Just food for thought.

Very Good thoughts here.

I personally have considered a run as a Ron Paul Republican, however, there are some congressional districts where only a Democrat would get elected.

Lets face it, most people vote only if there is either a (D) or (R) next to your name. A Ron Paul Democrat and Republican will have similar views on things like Foreign Policy and Personal Liberties. Honestly, if you go back, the platform of the Republicans of Today is very similar to the JFK Democrats.

You would run as a Ron Paul Democrat or Republican but you would run as a Democrat or Republican that endorses Ron Paul's Constitutional stance.

I personally have created some great political friends in many parties since the beginning of this Ron Paul campaign and I definitely don't see any reason why I wouldn't stop working with them even after.

Lets keep the momentum. Democrat or Republican a like, there is no reason why Ron Paul has to vote NO alone.

Dave

[AggieforPaul]

While RP may disagree with Republicans, its more because they've lost their conservative values. As he pointed out, Republicans would be against the war in Iraq if it had been initiated by Clinton.

[davidkachel]

I'm not being vicious...

I know you're not.
The fact is, RP has a lot of Democrat supporters. We all know it. We've had to advise them to hold their noses while registering Republican for the primaries.

So, if they feel strongly enough about liberty to support Ron Paul then coming up with a platform that meshes with their Democratic backgrounds should not be tough.

After all, what does RP's platform have to do with the current incarnation of the Republican party???

Face it, the very existence of the massive Ron Paul movement is proof that BOTH the Republican and the Democratic parties are dead. They just don't know it yet.

[Talldude1412]

How about ending the war?
How about ending federal spying on citizens?
How about restoring habeus corpus?

Yea, but thats really only a one or two term subject. After those things are beaten, then what?

[NoxTwilight]

I think it is a point well made. That regardless of party - most of us want small government, freedom and an end to the power elite - there is something for everyone on the Ron Paul platform. We fight from within the system to get what we want. As has been said many times before, Ron is the symbol of a much larger ideal and as long as the person running has Ron's honesty and integrity and will follow the Constitution then they should be more than welcome to run with Ron's platform.

[davidkachel]

Yea, but thats really only a one or two term subject. After those things are beaten, then what?

I think you're missing the point. Ron Paul Democrats are not a fantasy, they are a reality that already exists. Some of them are reading this right now.

It's only a question of getting already existing RP Dems to show others the way.

[Talldude1412]

I know you're not.
The fact is, RP has a lot of Democrat supporters. We all know it. We've had to advise them to hold their noses while registering Republican for the primaries.

So, if they feel strongly enough about liberty to support Ron Paul then coming up with a platform that meshes with their Democratic backgrounds should not be tough.

After all, what does RP's platform have to do with the current incarnation of the Republican party???

Face it, the very existence of the massive Ron Paul movement is proof that BOTH the Republican and the Democratic parties are dead. They just don't know it yet.

It has nothing to do with the current political party, but everything to do with the party pre-Clinton and Bush family. I can see the appeal of his non-interventionist policies, and anti-corrupt central gov't. But most of the democrats I know still like the large gov't social idealism. Which is just about opposite him domestically.

I would be quite happy with democrats who ran on that platform, as either way we would be heading the right way direction for our country.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

I know you're not.
The fact is, RP has a lot of Democrat supporters. We all know it. We've had to advise them to hold their noses while registering Republican for the primaries.

So, if they feel strongly enough about liberty to support Ron Paul then coming up with a platform that meshes with their Democratic backgrounds should not be tough.

After all, what does RP's platform have to do with the current incarnation of the Republican party???

Face it, the very existence of the massive Ron Paul movement is proof that BOTH the Republican and the Democratic parties are dead. They just don't know it yet.

Are you one of them?

[davidkachel]

Yea, but thats really only a one or two term subject. After those things are beaten, then what?

Those are not subjects, they are talking points.

There is and always has been only ONE subject: FREEDOM!

Democrats want it just as much as the rest of us.

[Talldude1412]

Actually, I think a poll needs to be made. For what reasons are democrats currently supporting Ron Paul. It would be a good means to learn what is driving them, what similarities in belief we have with them.

[Fyretrohl]

OKay, I was the one who started the Ron Paul Democrats comment in that particular thread. <I am not claiming it, necessarily. Just there>

So, the question becomes...If a Ron Paulitician Manifesto were to be created, what would it include. What would a candidate be required to sign onto and agree to to get the backing of the Grassroots? What IS Ron Paul's platform that we would want them to back, regardless of party?

[davidkachel]

It has nothing to do with the current political party, but everything to do with the party pre-Clinton and Bush family. I can see the appeal of his non-interventionist policies, and anti-corrupt central gov't. But most of the democrats I know still like the large gov't social idealism. Which is just about opposite him domestically.

I would be quite happy with democrats who ran on that platform, as either way we would be heading the right way direction for our country.

We've already convinced a lot of Democrats that big social programs are paid for with lost liberty.

It's just a question of repeating the process on a larger scale.

[Ron Paul Fan]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=38838&page=2

We did a poll here and only 7 people identified themselves as Democrats. If you can win an election as a Democrat on a message of low taxes, against universal health care, pro free markets, pro life, pro gun rights, less government involvment in economic and social issues, anti-socialism, and associating yourself with a Republican Congressman, then I will shake your hand and salute you!

[Talldude1412]

Those are not subjects, they are talking points.

There is and always has been only ONE subject: FREEDOM!

Democrats want it just as much as the rest of us.

Absolutely, the problem was historically the means of ensuring that freedom which was debated. Any RP democrats reading this right now want to weigh in? I am truly curious what your beliefs are that drove you to the good Dr. :)

[JosephTheLibertarian]

I only disagree with Ron Paul on two things

immigration: should be left to the states

abortion: I'm pro states rights but how can you arrest a woman for having an abortion? I never met one that was happy about doing it, I just don't think it's a government issue.

[davidkachel]

OKay, I was the one who started the Ron Paul Democrats comment in that particular thread...

I think you mean "Ron Paul Republicans", "Ron Paul Democrats" was not used anywhere in that thread.

[Talldude1412]

We've already convinced a lot of Democrats that big social programs are paid for with lost liberty.

That's awesome! Do keep it up!

[Fyretrohl]

I think you mean "Ron Paul Republicans", "Ron Paul Democrats" was not used anywhere in that thread.

We may be looking at two different threads. I will see if I can dig up the one I posted in.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Why wouldn't liberals even want Ron Paul? he would make the economy STRONGER, so they can mismanage and overspend for more years to come!

[dshields]

I'm not being vicious, I'm honestly curious what you would have as part of the RP democrats platform?

Let me explain the reason why it is possible to have a Ron Paul Democrat and a Ron Paul Republican.

As Ron Paul has stated many times, he is not opposed of the constitution being amended but he is opposed of it being misinterpreted and ignored in some cases. For an example, going to war on Iraq without a formal declaration from Congress. He personally would be against it but would not have called it illegal had Congress actually declared war.

A Ron Paul Democrat or Republican would be bound by the following beliefs:

1. The Constitution as written reigns supreme. Procedure to amend the Constitution shall be followed as written by the Founders.
2. The intentions of the Founding Fathers would be a guiding principle in their decisions, such as Foreign Policy, Free Markets, and of course our personal Liberties which are God given and not granted by Government.
3. That this is a Nation of Sovereign Citizens and not a Nation of Subjects.
4. States are Sovereign and are a better place for law to be create (see number 5 below)
5. They're time is better spent at home then actually working in Congress. (In other words, don't create law just to do it)
6. The belief that Citizens (you and I) can better and more expertly manage their lives.

Care to add to this list? Perhaps we should create a list that bounds all who wish to run on Constitutional Principle.

As you can see, you can have different Political views but still follow these beliefs.

Just some thoughts,

Dave

[Fyretrohl]

I scared myself for a minute. Could not even find my own post. :)


I am not suggesting using the LP. I am suggesting not affiliating with any party. What about a Ron Paul Democrat? Course, I wonder what that would look like. 'I am all for taking care of everyone from cradle to grave. I just don't think the government should do it'?

[davidkachel]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=38838&page=2

We did a poll here and only 7 people identified themselves as Democrats. If you can win an election as a Democrat on a message of low taxes, against universal health care, pro free markets, pro life, pro gun rights, less government involvment in economic and social issues, anti-socialism, and associating yourself with a Republican Congressman, then I will shake your hand and salute you!

You can't win on that message. Neither can Ron Paul. Fortunately, that is NOT his message. His message is freedom. Everything else is just mile markers on the way to freedom.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=38838&page=2

We did a poll here and only 7 people identified themselves as Democrats. If you can win an election as a Democrat on a message of low taxes, against universal health care, pro free markets, pro life, pro gun rights, less government involvment in economic and social issues, anti-socialism, and associating yourself with a Republican Congressman, then I will shake your hand and salute you!

I'm not anti-socialism, I'm pro-freedom ;) lol

[Fyretrohl]

I am NOT against many of the Democrats platforms. I am ABSOLUTELY against the Federal Government doing it. Remember Hof...He would NOT support Ron Paul as Governor of Nevada, because, the Governor SHOULD have the situation to push the state to outlaw prostitution and Ron Paul is not 'for' Prostitution. Now, he may still take the stance at the state level that it is a personal choice, but, that is not the point here. Instead, Hof is support Ron Paul for President because of the stance that it is NOT the Federal Governments job.

I would rather live in a state that outlaws gay marriage and abortion. HOWEVER, I don't want to live in a Country, based on our Constitution, that does the same thing. It would be too easy to be stuck with decisions that go against my beliefs.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

You see, left leaning libertarians can appeal to moderate dems like no liberal ever could.

[davidkachel]

WHOA!

Go read THIS thread, then come back: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=53131

[Talldude1412]

WHOA!

Go read THIS thread, then come back: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=53131

Ahhh I'm stuck in a infinite cycle of looking at this thread reading it through then going back to the other thanks to your links! aaahhhh......

Yea, its actually fantastic seeing Ron Paul have this kind of impact on political discourse.

[Danny Molina]

I am NOT against many of the Democrats platforms. I am ABSOLUTELY against the Federal Government doing it. Remember Hof...He would NOT support Ron Paul as Governor of Nevada, because, the Governor SHOULD have the situation to push the state to outlaw prostitution and Ron Paul is not 'for' Prostitution. Now, he may still take the stance at the state level that it is a personal choice, but, that is not the point here. Instead, Hof is support Ron Paul for President because of the stance that it is NOT the Federal Governments job.

I would rather live in a state that outlaws gay marriage and abortion. HOWEVER, I don't want to live in a Country, based on our Constitution, that does the same thing. It would be too easy to be stuck with decisions that go against my beliefs.

This is what's so great about states rights. Everywhere would be like it's own little country.

[RPTXState]

An RP dem, to me, would focus on civil rights and the war, be tolerant of concealed-carry laws, moderately pro-choice (for partial-birth ban?), and want to phase-out Afirm. Action.

RP Republican would be...easier, but there are places where parties matter.

In nearly all cases, I would vote RP Dem. over Neocon.

[K1RBY]

this thread is another example of how many RP supporters dont have a freakin' clue who/what they are voting for.

i guess their ignorance is welcome, since we need any votes we can get at this point.

[nbhadja]

I only disagree with Ron Paul on two things

immigration: should be left to the states

abortion: I'm pro states rights but how can you arrest a woman for having an abortion? I never met one that was happy about doing it, I just don't think it's a government issue.

Lol I would never leave immigration to the states (mainly border ones), they would make it worse. Can you imagine California ever cracking down on illegals?

[fortilite]

While RP has more platforms that are similar to Republicans, he has a lot that appeal to Democrats as well.

[Fyretrohl]

Lol I would never leave immigration to the states (mainly border ones), they would make it worse. Can you imagine California ever cracking down on illegals?

As I recall, they tried to and it back fired from the Feds, if I remember right. I may VERY well be wrong and I don't remember the specific issue.

However, the Border and Immigration is ABSOLUTELY about our National Security and, therefore, absolutely in the power and authority of the Fed.

[Maltheus]

I would not emphasize the "Ron Paul Democrats" thing until after super Tuesday. We're still in the primary stage right now and it's bad enough being seen as outsiders to the party establishment.

However, I do think it's great that we have support from all over the political spectrum, and if it's looking like we're gonna win the nomination, then we need to start making everyone aware of this. I think that Ron Paul's greatest appeal is that everybody gets something they want. The other candidates have nothing to offer short of "making sure the other guy doesn't get in."

[Vendico]

I really think this idea of labeling ourselves either RP Republicans/Democrats is great. When asked who you're voting for, all you have to say is "I'm a RP Democrat (or Republican or Independent if you are)".

Let them ask you what that means.