Chase Bank Shuts Down Proud Boys Leader’s Personal Bank Account

[Swordsmyth]

Enrique Tarrio, who is the Chairman of the Proud Boys fraternal organization, had his personal Chase bank account shut down abruptly earlier this week.
In a letter obtained exclusively by Big League Politics, the bank informs him that he must shut down all of his accounts by April 1st, 2019, without giving a reason.
https://bigleaguepolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/enriquechasebank-897x1200.jpg
This comes just days after Chase Bank’s payment processor, Chase Paymentech, de-platformed him on a website he runs that allows groups and charities to sell merchandise, and raise money for causes. The website, 1776.shop, is most known for selling the famous “Roger Stone Did Nothing Wrong” shirts (https://1776.shop/product/roger-stone-did-nothing-wrong-t-shirt/) which Stone was spotted in during the late-night arrest at his home.


Tarrio has been facing months of backlash for his affiliation with the Proud Boys, first getting onto the radar in an article published on The Daily Beast, which asserts that (https://bigleaguepolitics.com/the-daily-beast-calls-black-trump-supporters-white-supremacists/) people of color are joining white supremacist organizations. Tarrio is both Cuban, and black, and was profiled in that article.

The Proud Boys, despite simply being a fraternal organization that believes in Western culture, have been smeared as a hate group. Gavin McInnes, the group’s founder, is currently suing (https://dailycaller.com/2019/02/05/gavin-mcinnes-sues-splc-hate/) the SPLC over their hate group label.
Since the Daily Beast article, Tarrio has been facing an onslaught of targeting by both tech companies, and financial services.
He tells Big League Politics he has been banned from the following services, among others:


Facebook
Twitter
Instagram
Airbnb
FirstData
Square
Stripe
PayPal

Speaking to Big League Politics, Tarrio questions why so many major companies feel the need to target him.
“My political views pretty much mirror those of President Donald Trump,” Tarrio says. “But the media, and groups like the Southern Poverty Law Center, smear me trying to tie me, an Afro-Cuban, to ideologies that would force me out of my own country if they went into effect. It’s completely asinine and based completely outside of reality.”


Now that he has lost his bank account, his own life will become much more difficult, as Tarrio explains.
“How am I supposed to get food to feed my family? Are taking the directions of the Governor of Virginia and trying to abort me 34 years after birth,” Tarrio questions. “They are essentially denying my existence, and trying to force me into homelessness, and ultimately death.”

More at: https://bigleaguepolitics.com/chase-bank-shuts-down-proud-boys-leaders-personal-bank-account/


The banking system is intimately entwined with the government, until we get a real free market in banking they need to be required to serve everyone.

We can not allow the Mark of the Beast system to be established and used to destroy us.

[jkr]

put on the armor of GOD...

[enhanced_deficit]

There were widely circulated reports that suspected terrorist who carried out PA Synagogue shooting was linked to this group online/via GAB. Paypal had banned GAB for allowing such antisemitic content.
Trump himself had called for death penalty for PA shooter and had expressed openness to cooperations with Dems to regulate free speech on internet.


Robert Bowers considered Gavin McInnes 'Proud Boys' fellow ...
Oct 28, 2018 -
Some of the anti-semitic tweets that led to paypal bans:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?527815-Pittsburgh-synagogue-shooting-thread&p=6699252&viewfull=1#post6699252

[ThePaleoLibertarian]

Libertarian defenses of this behavior under the guise of property rights are going to be increasingly irrelevant. Libertarians argue for numerous policies that marginalize any ability to actually fight The Cathedral.

[Swordsmyth]

Libertarian defenses of this behavior under the guise of property rights are going to be increasingly irrelevant. Libertarians argue for numerous policies that marginalize any ability to actually fight The Cathedral.
You can't give this kind of private property rights to entities that are as entwined with the government as banks are.
They haven't been "private" in a very long time and anyone who claims they are after 2008 should be laughed out of the country.

[Origanalist]

“How am I supposed to get food to feed my family? Are taking the directions of the Governor of Virginia and trying to abort me 34 years after birth,” Tarrio questions. “They are essentially denying my existence, and trying to force me into homelessness, and ultimately death.”

Well, he could get a account with a better bank.

[Origanalist]

Libertarian defenses of this behavior under the guise of property rights are going to be increasingly irrelevant. Libertarians argue for numerous policies that marginalize any ability to actually fight The Cathedral.

I won't try to defend this, Chase sucks. I would never bank there, or any of the major banks. They're all scum.

[Brian4Liberty]

Enrique Tarrio, who is the Chairman of the Proud Boys fraternal organization, had his personal Chase bank account shut down abruptly earlier this week.
In a letter obtained exclusively by Big League Politics, the bank informs him that he must shut down all of his accounts by April 1st, 2019, without giving a reason.
https://bigleaguepolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/enriquechasebank-897x1200.jpg
This comes just days after Chase Bank’s payment processor, Chase Paymentech, de-platformed him on a website he runs that allows groups and charities to sell merchandise, and raise money for causes. The website, 1776.shop, is most known for selling the famous “Roger Stone Did Nothing Wrong” shirts (https://1776.shop/product/roger-stone-did-nothing-wrong-t-shirt/) which Stone was spotted in during the late-night arrest at his home.


Tarrio has been facing months of backlash for his affiliation with the Proud Boys, first getting onto the radar in an article published on The Daily Beast, which asserts that (https://bigleaguepolitics.com/the-daily-beast-calls-black-trump-supporters-white-supremacists/) people of color are joining white supremacist organizations. Tarrio is both Cuban, and black, and was profiled in that article.

The Proud Boys, despite simply being a fraternal organization that believes in Western culture, have been smeared as a hate group. Gavin McInnes, the group’s founder, is currently suing (https://dailycaller.com/2019/02/05/gavin-mcinnes-sues-splc-hate/) the SPLC over their hate group label.
Since the Daily Beast article, Tarrio has been facing an onslaught of targeting by both tech companies, and financial services.
He tells Big League Politics he has been banned from the following services, among others:


Facebook
Twitter
Instagram
Airbnb
FirstData
Square
Stripe
PayPal

Speaking to Big League Politics, Tarrio questions why so many major companies feel the need to target him.
“My political views pretty much mirror those of President Donald Trump,” Tarrio says. “But the media, and groups like the Southern Poverty Law Center, smear me trying to tie me, an Afro-Cuban, to ideologies that would force me out of my own country if they went into effect. It’s completely asinine and based completely outside of reality.”


Now that he has lost his bank account, his own life will become much more difficult, as Tarrio explains.
“How am I supposed to get food to feed my family? Are taking the directions of the Governor of Virginia and trying to abort me 34 years after birth,” Tarrio questions. “They are essentially denying my existence, and trying to force me into homelessness, and ultimately death.”

More at: https://bigleaguepolitics.com/chase-bank-shuts-down-proud-boys-leaders-personal-bank-account/


The banking system is intimately entwined with the government, until we get a real free market in banking they need to be required to serve everyone.

We can not allow the Mark of the Beast system to be established and used to destroy us.

April 1st? Seriously? How many trolls are going down today?

[Swordsmyth]

Well, he could get a account with a better bank.
What happens when they all do this?

And don't say that can't happen here.

[Swordsmyth]

April 1st? Seriously? How many trolls are going down today?
I'm unaware of this being false.
Do you have information that it is?

[Brian4Liberty]

I'm unaware of this being false.
Do you have information that it is?

An educated and skeptical guess.

[Origanalist]

What happens when they all do this?

And don't say that can't happen here.

I won't, and I don't believe it can't happen. For now use a local bank, if it keeps progressing the black market is the only choice. I'm already there as much as possible.

[nobody's_hero]

Well, he could get a account with a better bank.

Yeah that seems to be the pragmatic approach. Personally if a bank does not want my money, I'm not gonna force them to keep it.

Of course, they don't really need our money anyway. Banks don't see customers as a source of credit anymore. Used to be, banks could only loan out what their customers put in. now they just get it from the Fed and loan it out to the customers. Banks probably see depositors as some quaint relic of a bygone era. "Oh, you deposited $500. How cute."

[Stratovarious]

Whether this was an April Fools Joke or not, the fact remains, this isn't
where we're headed , this is where we are.


''First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. ''
Martin Neimoller (German Lutheran Pastor) Circa 1950's

[Origanalist]

Yeah that seems to be the pragmatic approach. Personally if a bank does not want my money, I'm not gonna force them to keep it.

Of course, they don't really need our money anyway. Banks don't see customers as a source of credit anymore. Used to be, banks could only loan out what their customers put in. now they just get it from the Fed and loan it out to the customers. Banks probably see depositors as some quaint relic of a bygone era. "Oh, you deposited $500. How cute."

Sweet gig, huh?

[H_H]

April 1st? Seriously? How many trolls are going down today?

Big League Media is not a satire site. They are the ones who actually broke the top news story of the current cycle: The governor of Virginia dressing up in blackface (along, it now appears, with every other white person in Virginia who was alive during the 1970s).

So, they may have gotten trolled, but I doubt it. My sense is this story is real and will turn out to be real. I won't make a hard prediction, but that's by far most probable.

Regardless, even if it were coming from National Report, the Topeka News, or the Babylon Bee, should you really feel so smug for having noticed a little detail? And would those RPF commenters taking it at face value really be, to quote you, "trolls"? Hmm.

I think not. The story is, sadly, plausible. Everything is getting shut down. All of it. Everybody. Me included. You'll be next.



https://i.imgur.com/QQe12j8.png


https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/400x/60970779.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/4BnLZqT.png




~~~


Oh, and nothing to do with this, but I couldn't resist:

https://i.chzbgr.com/full/9119294464/h97ECC5FB/

[H_H]

Well, he could get a account with a better bank.

And a better utility company?

And a better grocery store?

And a better hospital?

[TheCount]

Bake the cake!

[Gumba of Liberty]

Libertarian defenses of this behavior under the guise of property rights are going to be increasingly irrelevant. Libertarians argue for numerous policies that marginalize any ability to actually fight The Cathedral.

Our economy is dominated by cartels with the Banking Cartel (Fed) at the top of the pyramid. Cartels are criminal organizations. Criminal organizations that violate the rights of others or work with governments to do so are not part of a free market. Therefore, anyone who defends them as such is a a fool or a snake.

[Origanalist]

And a better utility company? - No, you can only minimize how much you are dependent on it at the personal level.

And a better grocery store? - Same thing, buy local, barter, grow your own ect.. We have a couple smaller chains around here and a outlet store I shop at a lot. Local butcher..

And a better hospital? - No, you're screwed.
//

[H_H]

"And a better utility company? - No, you can only minimize how much you are dependent on it at the personal level.

And a better grocery store? - Same thing, buy local, barter, grow your own ect.. We have a couple smaller chains around here and a outlet store I shop at a lot. Local butcher..

And a better hospital? - No, you're screwed."

Yeah, Origanalist, I don't disagree. All that's the right approach, on an individual level. I'm just putting it out there.

We have right now a huge informal government, consisting of All of Society as a Speech-Control Enforcement Mechanism.



Do you really have freedom of opinion if your opinion causes you to be unpersoned, uncareered, and destroyed?



Do you really have free speech if you can't say anything?

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dvnrio4VsAAO3Aj.jpg

[Brian4Liberty]

Big League Media is not a satire site. They are the ones who actually broke the top news story of the current cycle: The governor of Virginia dressing up in blackface (along, it now appears, with every other white person in Virginia who was alive during the 1970s).

So, they may have gotten trolled, but I doubt it. My sense is this story is real and will turn out to be real. I won't make a hard prediction, but that's by far most probable.

Regardless, even if it were coming from National Report, the Topeka News, or the Babylon Bee, should you really feel so smug for having noticed a little detail? And would those RPF commenters taking it at face value really be, to quote you, "trolls"? Hmm.

I think not. The story is, sadly, plausible. Everything is getting shut down. All of it. Everybody. Me included. You'll be next.
...


It is plausible. The best trolls have to be close enough to the truth to fool people. But anything with April 1st prominently repeated should at least be questioned.

As far as my use of the word "troll", it was used in reference to an action, not a person. Isn't english your favorite language? The subtleties of context are sometimes lost...

Context examples:
- Dick is a troll.
- Dick trolled Jane.
- It was an excellent troll.

[H_H]

It is plausible. Thank you.

See, that wasn't so hard! You can admit Helmuth is right about something.

Next step: admitting he's right about everything.

;)



As far as my use of the word "troll", it was used in reference to an action, not a person. Isn't English your favorite language?

Oh, I don't know that I have a favorite.

Maybe Hoon.

Anyway, interesting tac to take. "Wow, Helmuth sure isn't too good at English! What an silly semi-illiterate fool to not interpret rightly mine majestic words!"

Like, that tac that you have taken wouldn't be most people's tac. But, you are brave so go for it!

You wrote:

"How many trolls are going down today?"

Now you say "Oh, by 'trolls' I meant the plural version of a noun-ification which is referring to a verb. You silly goose head! Wasn't that obverous?"

Yeah. Uh huh. Speaking of skeptical...

[H_H]

Tell me about all these other "trolls" (a.k.a. "trollings" if you're a normal person not following the high-level conjugative semantic antics here) that have happened today.

I mean, there's so many, they just keep coming. Keep happening. Keep "going down," which is what I obverously meant by going down. AMIRITE? lol.

[Origanalist]

"And a better utility company? - No, you can only minimize how much you are dependent on it at the personal level.

And a better grocery store? - Same thing, buy local, barter, grow your own ect.. We have a couple smaller chains around here and a outlet store I shop at a lot. Local butcher..

And a better hospital? - No, you're screwed."

Yeah, Origanalist, I don't disagree. All that's the right approach, on an individual level. I'm just putting it out there.

We have right now a huge informal government, consisting of All of Society as a Speech-Control Enforcement Mechanism.



Do you really have freedom of opinion if your opinion causes you to be unpersoned, uncareered, and destroyed?



Do you really have free speech if you can't say anything?

https://s3.amazonaws.com/pix.iemoji.com/images/emoji/apple/ios-12/256/thinking-face.png







https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dvnrio4VsAAO3Aj.jpg

I don't disagree.

[Swordsmyth]

Bake the cake!
Banks are integrated with the government, they are subsidized and protected from competition through regulation.
They are also the key to controlling everything in your life.
They can have freedom of association when they are as disconnected from the government as the baker is.

I'm not surprised at all to see you on the side of the Mark of the Beast.

[AuH20]

The banks don't have actual skin in the game. Bu that will change in the future.

[Pauls' Revere]

You can't give this kind of private property rights to entities that are as entwined with the government as banks are.
They haven't been "private" in a very long time and anyone who claims they are after 2008 should be laughed out of the country.

^this^

[TheCount]

Banks are integrated with the government, they are subsidized and protected from competition through regulation.
They are also the key to controlling everything in your life.
They can have freedom of association when they are as disconnected from the government as the baker is.

Every component of a cake, as well as every step in the production of the cake, is regulated, subsidized, and protected from competition by the government.

[Swordsmyth]

Have you read the farm bill? Every component of a cake, as well as every step in the production of the cake, is regulated, subsidized, and protected from competition by the government.
But the baker is not.

[TheCount]

But the baker is not.
How is he not? He needs several government permits to open and run his business, and his products are protected against competition by - among other things - the tariffs that you so love.

[Swordsmyth]

How is he not? He needs several government permits to open and run his business, and his products are protected against competition by - among other things - the tariffs that you so love.
The government has encroached everywhere but that is nothing like the situation with banks.

And even if the level of integration was exactly the same bakers don't have the power to destroy your life the bankers do, until there is a free market in banking they must be required to provide basic services to anyone.

You just can't wait for the Mark of the Beast can you?

[TheCount]

The government has encroached everywhere but that is nothing like the situation with banks.

Seems rather arbitrary.


And even if the level of integration was exactly the same bakers don't have the power to destroy your life the bankers do, until there is a free market in banking they must be required to provide basic services to anyone.

Banking services are more important than food?



You just can't wait for the Mark of the Beast can you?

Let's see... which way will we get to that more quickly... your way, with even more government involvement in banking, or my way, with less?

[Swordsmyth]

Seems rather arbitrary.
Not really.




Banking services are more important than food?
Yes, because you won't be able to buy or sell food or anything else without them when the "private" system is complete and your ability to buy or sell anything without them right now is limited to the point of being crippling, as the power is deployed more and more against anyone who resists your bosses tyranny will be imposed "privately" because only those who vote the way they like will have any money to live or campaign.





Let's see... which way will we get to that more quickly... your way, with even more government involvement in banking, or my way, with less?
Your way, the banks are an arm of the government that pretends to not be obligated to provide equal protection, unless they are divorced from the government the must provide equal protection or we will have the Mark of the Beast.

[TheCount]

Not really.

Good argument.



Yes, because you won't be able to buy or sell food or anything else without them when the "private" system is complete and your ability to buy or sell anything without them right now is limited to the point of being crippling, as the power is deployed more and more against anyone who resists your bosses tyranny will be imposed "privately" because only those who vote the way they like will have any money to live or campaign.

Or... try to keep up with me here... if government is the problem with banking, what if we get the government out of banking rather than adding more government to the banking?



Your way, the banks are an arm of the government that pretends to not be obligated to provide equal protection, unless they are divorced from the government the must provide equal protection or we will have the Mark of the Beast.

Completely circular argument. See above.

[Swordsmyth]

Good argument.
As good as yours.




Or... try to keep up with me here... if government is the problem with banking, what if we get the government out of banking rather than adding more government to the banking?




See above.
That's a great idea but we will never be able to accomplish it if we allow banks to unperson people who want to do that.

You want them to win so you make the perfect the enemy of the existentially requisite, you can't win the war if you die to a man in the battle.

[AuH20]

This is exactly why we need bitcoin and precious metals to emerge.

[TheCount]

That's a great idea but we will never be able to accomplish it if we allow banks to unperson people who want to do that.

Back to the 'we need to have more government first before we can have less government later' argument. Happens every single time, despite the fact that, historically speaking, it has never, ever worked.



You want them to win so you make the perfect the enemy of the existentially requisite, you can't win the war if you die to a man in the battle.

You can't win "the war" if you constantly advocate for the statist option.

[Swordsmyth]

Back to the 'we need to have more government first before we can have less government later' argument. Happens every single time, despite the fact that, historically speaking, it has never, ever worked.
It isn't more government, the banks are already part of the government.
It is requiring the government to respect our rights.





You can't win "the war" if you constantly advocate for the statist option.
This isn't the statist option, this is the human rights option, you want the tyranny option.
Until the banks are disentangled from the government there is no option that is more or less statist.

[TheCount]

It isn't more government, the banks are already part of the government.
It is requiring the government to respect our rights.

By regulating them more, tying them even more closely to the government, and ensuring that status will never change.

This is not progress, it is actually conterproductive: in order for you to get the result that you want (government enforcement of "culture"), you will... somehow... need to ensure that "good" control of government continues forever. Otherwise, with the expanded powers that you are giving the government, the result will be a net negative, not a net positive. See also: PATRIOT act, etc.


Expanding government power always turns around to bite the group who thought that they would get to employ it as a weapon against their enemies.

[Swordsmyth]

By regulating them more, tying them even more closely to the government, and ensuring that status will never change.
Requiring them to provide basic services to anyone doesn't tie them any closer to the government or ensure their status will never change, it even provides them with an incentive to want to disentangle from the government.


Not only is this the opposite of progress, it is actually conterproductive:
No it isn't.


in order for you to get the result that you want (government enforcement of "culture"),
I don't want government enforcement of culture.



you will... somehow... need to ensure that "good" control of government continues forever. Otherwise, with the expanded powers that you are giving the government, the result will be a net negative, not a net positive. See also: PATRIOT act, etc.


Expanding government power always turns out to be a net negative.
It isn't expanding government power to require one of its branches to respect the rights of all citizens.
We will never be able to get the government out of banking if we allow the current cartel to destroy anyone who opposes them.

[Occam's Banana]

I don't disagree.

You better not. helmuth has frickin' laser beams attached to his head now ...

[dannno]

Banking services are more important than food?

https://art.pixilart.com/a95f8852c2a194b.gif

[dannno]

Banking services are a TRILLION TIMES more important (if not more) than custom wedding cakes...

[Stratovarious]

...



Banking services are more important than food?




...

Yes , unless you are already set up on your own 10k acre tract and a survivalist.


This issue of Corporations refusing service to those with varying opinions is akin to
a cashless / bitcoin/ crypto currency society, the govt can and will, on a whim', shut you off
from satisfying all of your basic needs with a 'check' mark, The List , no guilt ,
not even suspected of any crime.




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[TheCount]

Requiring them to provide basic services to anyone doesn't tie them any closer to the government or ensure their status will never change, it even provides them with an incentive to want to disentangle from the government.

He says, while later in the exact same post saying that banks are a branch of the government:



It isn't expanding government power to require one of its branches to respect the rights of all citizens.

[dillo]

Libertarian defenses of this behavior under the guise of property rights are going to be increasingly irrelevant. Libertarians argue for numerous policies that marginalize any ability to actually fight The Cathedral.

I would think a libertarian argument wouldn't really apply, banks are far from a free market. They are one of the most regulated industries in America. Any libertarian argument would have to start with a free market to apply. Unless I am misreading people like Mises and Rothbard, private property rights don't really work with state entwined industry.

[Swordsmyth]

He says, while later in the exact same post saying that banks are a branch of the government:
They are already a branch of the government so it will not tie them any closer to the government or ensure that their status will never change.

See how simple that is?

[TheCount]

They are already a branch of the government so it will not tie them any closer to the government or ensure that their status will never change.

Which branch are they?

[Swordsmyth]

Which branch are they?
The banking branch.

[Stratovarious]

How is he not? He needs several government permits to open and run his business, and his products are protected against competition by - among other things - the tariffs that you so love.
What a load of blsht.

[Stratovarious]

Seems rather arbitrary.



Banking services are more important than food?




Let's see... which way will we get to that more quickly... your way, with even more government involvement in banking, or my way, with less?

Once again;


Yes , unless you are already set up on your own 10k acre tract and a survivalist.


This issue of Corporations refusing service to those with varying opinions is akin to
a cashless / bitcoin/ crypto currency society, the govt can and will, on a whim', shut you off
from satisfying all of your basic needs with a 'check' mark, The List , no guilt ,
not even suspected of any crime.

[Stratovarious]

This is exactly why we need bitcoin and precious metals to emerge.
Precious metals yes , but bitcoin, hell no, that is the trendy rollout of Cashles IMV.
Look to Catherine Fitts x hud head.
I agree with her assessment of Bitcoin, it will be Govt backdoored or controlled eventually, if it is not
already a CIA OP to begin with.
Globalism's right hand man is crypto , bitcoin is a perfect fit.

[dannno]

Which branch are they?

I would say, at least 2 out of the 3.

[TheCount]

The banking branch.

We must be working off of different versions of the constitution.

[Swordsmyth]

We must be working off of different versions of the constitution.
Who said it was Constitutional?

[H_H]

Bake the cake!

AMEN!

I am SO %&$*&$*^%ing SICK of this Baker Cartel and their oppression of TheCount's gayness.

#Solidarity
#GotYourBackBro
#IHATEhate
#PunchaBaker
#NoRussianFrostingTipCollusioninAmericanCakes
#DildosNotCakeDoughs

And the noble gayness of all my gay brothers. We need to Shut It Down.

[H_H]

Good argument.

Or... try to keep up with me here... if government is the problem with banking, what if we get the government out of banking rather than adding more government to the banking?

Completely circular argument. See above.

You know, I do thank you as my loyal sidekick for brilliantly summoning The Cake, which is indeed the perfect issue to bring up *every* time that free speech comes up in the context of the American system of speech control. But you're stealing my thunder. I wanted to bring it up. And then here you are, already having done so.

The side-kick is supposed to play a supporting role. Not steal the spotlight. It's unseemly. Let the hero get in the best cool shots and body blows. OK?

Thanks, bro.

Anyway, Wonka's job that I've assigned him is:

Pointing out the blatant illogicities of certain untenable "middle-ground" positions that libertarians have been wheedled, by current events, into holding.

I mean, come on guys. Pick one or the other. Commercial entities should be privileged and have a special license to Oppress Oppressed Peoples / Exclude Wrongthink Monsters by preventing them from eating cake / having a life, by virtue of being commercial entities. Or, they shouldn't. Take your pick. To straddle the fence and say "yes" for this commercial entity and "no" for that one is non-ideological.

It seriously is.

You can't have a rule-based ideology without rules. Just like you can't have a nation without laws or whatever.

And so, <come on, take my hand, ascend up a meta-level>: your choice now becomes:

1) Caring most about your own Ideological Purity (so beautiful! brings a tear to mine eye!)
2) Caring most about actually having a decent country for your descendents and thus what the actual concrete results of actual discrete actions will be.

Again, thank you Wonka. Even though you stole my thunder, somebody had to do it. You have ripped back the comfortable curtains and made the real choice clear. And it is indeed stark:

Ideology,
or Reality

Make your choice. The steamroller's comin'.

[H_H]

https://www.foundationarts.com/images/thumbs/0102719_the-hand-of-god_600.jpeg

[TheCount]

Who said it was Constitutional?

By extension, that applies to your plan as well.

[Swordsmyth]

By extension, that applies to your plan as well.
And?

When we get back to following the Constitution about the things that enable banking tyranny we can remove my suggested law as well, until then we must not allow this to kill all possibility of restoring the Constitution.

[TheCount]

You know, I do thank you as my loyal sidekick for brilliantly summoning The Cake, which is indeed the perfect issue to bring up *every* time that free speech comes up in the context of the American system of speech control. But you're stealing my thunder. I wanted to bring it up. And then here you are, already having done so.

The side-kick is supposed to play a supporting role. Not steal the spotlight. It's unseemly. Let the hero get in the best cool shots and body blows. OK?

Thanks, bro.

Anyway, Wonka's job that I've assigned him is:

Pointing out the blatant illogicities of certain untenable "middle-ground" positions that libertarians have been wheedled, by current events, into holding.

I mean, come on guys. Pick one or the other. Commercial entities should be privileged and have a special license to Oppress Oppressed Peoples / Exclude Wrongthink Monsters by preventing them from eating cake / having a life, by virtue of being commercial entities. Or, they shouldn't. Take your pick. To straddle the fence and say "yes" for this commercial entity and "no" for that one is non-ideological.

It seriously is.

You can't have a rule-based ideology without rules. Just like you can't have a nation without laws or whatever.

And so, <come on, take my hand, ascend up a meta-level>: your choice now becomes:

1) Caring most about your own Ideological Purity (so beautiful! brings a tear to mine eye!)
2) Caring most about actually having a decent country for your descendents and thus what the actual concrete results of actual discrete actions will be.

Again, thank you Wonka. Even though you stole my thunder, somebody had to do it. You have ripped back the comfortable curtains and made the real choice clear. And it is indeed stark:

Ideology,
or Reality

Make your choice. The steamroller's comin'.

You assume that I hold the position that I do because of ideology, but that could not be further from the truth. I dismiss the 'reality' option presented by you and the SS because it is less realistic, not more.

Let's talk about "actual concrete results of actual discrete actions" since you brought them up, and follow the SS's plan to its inevitable end. The government regulates banks even more closely, probably by bringing them under the control of the post office because the SS has a postal fetish. Included in that is some measure of "fairness," of what constitutes allowed and disallowed, legitimate and illegitimate, legal and illegal reasons for refusing banking service to a person or group.

Fast forward thirty years.

Who is in charge of the government? Is it a group which favors you and yours and will use the weapons of government, which you have so eagerly granted them, against your enemies in the way that you dream they will? More likely, it be a group of people who is even more opposed to you than the current government. Didn't you say that you are part of an ethno-religious group? What does the trend line of public opinion regarding your group, or others like it, look like? Positive? Negative? Will your group be a group against which it is legally permissible to discriminate? Probably.

You will bring into being the very future that you claim to be trying to prevent.

[TheCount]

And?

When we get back to following the Constitution about the things that enable banking tyranny we can remove my suggested law as well, until then we must not allow this to kill all possibility of restoring the Constitution.

Says the statist:

"In order to have smaller government, first we must have bigger government"

"In order to have more freedom, first we must have less"

"In order to follow the constitution, first we must discard it"

And on and on.

[Swordsmyth]

Says the statist:

"In order to have smaller government, first we must have bigger government"

"In order to have more freedom, first we must have less"

"In order to follow the constitution, first we must discard it"

And on and on.
"Just let me kill you and we can talk about me giving up the knife I stole from you afterwards, tying my hands would be a violation of the NAP"
:rolleyes:

We are discussing the implementation of a system that will permanently kill any chance to to oppose or reverse it, you can't play by the rules when the other person has knocked over the table and is swinging a knife at you.

[Swordsmyth]

You assume that I hold the position that I do because of ideology, but that could not be further from the truth. I dismiss the 'reality' option presented by you and the SS because it is less realistic, not more.

Let's talk about "actual concrete results of actual discrete actions" since you brought them up, and follow the SS's plan to its inevitable end. The government regulates banks even more closely, probably by bringing them under the control of the post office because the SS has a postal fetish. Included in that is some measure of "fairness," of what constitutes allowed and disallowed, legitimate and illegitimate, legal and illegal reasons for refusing banking service to a person or group.

Fast forward thirty years.

Who is in charge of the government? Is it a group which favors you and yours and will use the weapons of government, which you have so eagerly granted them, against your enemies in the way that you dream they will? More likely, it be a group of people who is even more opposed to you than the current government. Didn't you say that you are part of an ethno-religious group? What does the trend line of public opinion regarding your group, or others like it, look like? Positive? Negative? Will your group be a group against which it is legally permissible to discriminate? Probably.

You will bring into being the very future that you claim to be trying to prevent.
The same people control the banks and the government and they are implementing their system without having to honor our rights because they pretend to be different entities and without allowing the competition that would allow us to evade them.
My suggestion will slow them down by forcing them to honor our rights until we can restore free market competition in banking, your suggestion will allow them to kill all of us and reign supreme with no chance of restoring the free market.

[TheCount]

The same people control the banks and the government and they are implementing their system without having to honor our rights because they pretend to be different entities and without allowing the competition that would allow us to evade them.

My suggestion will slow them down by forcing them to honor our rights until we can restore free market competition in banking, your suggestion will allow them to kill all of us and reign supreme with no chance of restoring the free market.


You can't force the government to do what you want by giving it more power. And the only document meant to force them to honor your rights... that's the one that you're completely ignoring.

[Swordsmyth]

You can't force the government to do what you want by giving it more power.
It isn't giving it more power, the government has already usurped the power to regulate the banks.

[r3volution 3.0]

Bank declines to do business with ***** NAZIs.

...how ever will I sleep through the night?

[Swordsmyth]

Bank declines to do business with ***** NAZIs.

...how ever will I sleep through the night?
The Proud Boys are not NAZIs and they always start with people who are unpopular, they will come for us soon enough if they are allowed to get away with it.
You on the other hand will be a good little globalist and take The Mark so I guess I see why you aren't concerned.

[Swordsmyth]

https://twitter.com/JewishVoice/status/1098000288659718145


1098000288659718145

[dannno]

Bank declines to do business with ***** NAZIs.

...how ever will I sleep through the night?

About 30% of them are minorities, it has nothing to do with being proud of being white.

[Swordsmyth]

Two weeks after Chase Bank announced (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-09/chase-bank-abruptly-bans-proud-boys-leader) that it would no longer do business with Proud Boys Chairman Enrique Tarrio, Conservative performance artist and Rebel Media personality Martina Markota has become the latest conservative media figure to be targeted by the bank which has made no secret of its support for liberal causes (see its decision (https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2018/04/13/jpmorgan-chase-limits-business-gunmakers-while-wells-fargo-continues/515430002/) to cut ties with the gun industry).
https://zh-prod-1cc738ca-7d3b-4a72-b792-20bd8d8fa069.storage.googleapis.com/s3fs-public/inline-images/Screen%20Shot%202019-02-20%20at%206.05.54%20PM.png
In an interview with Big League Politics (https://bigleaguepolitics.com/financial-fascism-chase-bank-de-platforms-another-conservative/), Markota explained that the account that was shuttered had been linked to an Indiegogo campaign that Markota had used to raise more than $34,000 for a graphic novel that she had been working on, which made the decision to shut down the account more of a financial burden for her.
Markota was mailed a letter form the bank, which she shared on twitter.
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When she contacted the bank to try and figure out why the account had been shut down, Markota said they refused to give her a reason. She believes that the decision was politically motivated due to her support for President Trump.

Upon getting notice of her account shutdown, Markota contacted Chase Bank by phone to ask why her account was shut down.
"They refused to tell me why," Markota stated. "They said they have the right to end our relationship and not tell me why."
She began to believe that her bank account shutdown was was politically motivated after reading Big League Politics‘ story on Tarrio. This suspicion is well warranted considering the fact that her outspoken support for President Trump has exposed her to a torrent of harassment in recent years.
Markota added that she has been the victim of harassment from former coworkers when she was a burlesque dancer.

Markota’s former co-workers from her burlesque days have been on a crusade to make her life miserable ever since she came out as a Trump supporter.
Their harassment got so bad that Markota is pursuing legal action against the most vicious tormentor.
If political motivations were in fact behind her de-platforming, that would make Markota the latest in a string of conservatives including Alex Jones, Laura Loomer and Jordan Peterson who have been financially targeted for their political views by what are still perceived as unbiased, apolitical organizations, when in reality financial isolation and boycotts is precisely how outspoken, ideologically opposing voices get silenced.



https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-02-20/chase-bank-de-platforms-conservative-performance-artist-martina-markota

[Schifference]

What keeps them from calling all notes/loans due and payable upon demand?

[Swordsmyth]

James O’Keefe and Project Veritas bust Chase bank for “Debanking” conservatives for their ideology. (https://www.projectveritas.com/2019/04/16/debanking-chase-bank-says-moral-character-a-reason-why-they-dont-do-business-with-those-types-of-people/)

[Swordsmyth]

Gun Control advocates launch Operation Chokepoint, seeking to deny the gun sector access to banking. (https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-16/operation-choke-point-20-gun-control-advocates-urge-banks-refuse-service-gun)

[Schifference]

Wasn't banking a problem for weed growers?

[Swordsmyth]

Wasn't banking a problem for weed growers?
Yes, but they had the excuse that it was illegal at the federal level.

[Schifference]

Yes, but they had the excuse that it was illegal at the federal level.

Do you feel any business can refuse to do business with any person for any or no reason?

[Swordsmyth]

Do you feel any business can refuse to do business with any person for any or no reason?
In an ideal world but banks are integrated into the government in our society, until we have a free market in banking we should require them to do basic business with anyone so that they can't be used as an arm of government that doesn't have to respect our rights.

If we don't do something the banks will become the government and a very tyrannical one at that.

[Swordsmyth]

Activists are trying to get Mastercard to cut off all payment processing to right wing activists (https://www.buzzfeed.com/markdistefano/mastercard-activists-cut-off-donations-far-right)

[Schifference]

Seems like a good third party billing clearinghouse is in order.

[Swordsmyth]

Roosh V, Men’s Rights Advocate, Banned From Instagram and Chase Bank’s WePay (https://bigleaguepolitics.com/roosh-v-mens-rights-advocate-banned-from-instagram-and-chase-banks-wepay/)