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enhanced_deficit
01-31-2019, 07:13 PM
As "declaring emegency" is almost certianly going to be immediately challenged in courts by Dems causing a longterm Stall of MAGA's Wall crusade, do you think he will force another gov shutdown if Dems refused Wall money again?



Trump: No shutdown deal without wall money

By Jordan Fabian - 01/31/19 12:58 PM EST
President Trump said Thursday he will not accept a deal to avert another government shutdown without money for his long-desired border wall, pushing back on Democrats who stressed their opposition to a wall.
“No. Because if there’s no wall, it doesn’t work,” Trump told reporters in the Oval Office when asked if he could accept border measures other than a wall.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/427872-trump-no-shutdown-deal-without-wall-money



Pelosi rules out money for border wall, Trump says no deal without it

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Thursday she will “of course” allow a floor vote on any bipartisan border security proposal crafted by congressional negotiators, but she drew a red line, insisting "there's not going to be any wall money in the legislation."


House Speaker Nancy Pelosi tells @jparkABC (https://twitter.com/jparkABC?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) she will “of course” allow a floor vote on any bipartisan border security proposal crafted by appropriators, but draws a red line, insisting "there's not going to be any wall money in the legislation" https://t.co/kYSkRGRxQ5 pic.twitter.com/oM07cI4GBT (https://t.co/oM07cI4GBT)
— ABC News Politics (@ABCPolitics) January 31, 2019 (https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/status/1091018684188033026?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pelosi-draws-red-line-money-border-wall/story?id=60750381





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Swordsmyth
01-31-2019, 07:18 PM
The Shutdown Is Coming.:D

enhanced_deficit
01-31-2019, 07:19 PM
The Shutdown Is Coming.:D

Is this your prediction or hope?

Swordsmyth
01-31-2019, 07:22 PM
Is this your prediction or hope?
It is a prediction.

Swordsmyth
01-31-2019, 07:23 PM
You need another option in your poll, Trump will begin to build the wall at some point but he may keep the shutdown going anyway.

enhanced_deficit
01-31-2019, 07:24 PM
It is a prediction.

Ok... with no end in sight this time also or with a folding option?

Swordsmyth
01-31-2019, 07:26 PM
Ok... with no end in sight this time also or with a folding option?
I voted for no end in sight but


You need another option in your poll, Trump will begin to build the wall at some point but he may keep the shutdown going anyway.

enhanced_deficit
01-31-2019, 07:30 PM
You need another option in your poll, Trump will begin to build the wall at some point but he may keep the shutdown going anyway.

Unfortunately, polls options do not allow edit.

But poll questions with a "may" sort of will defeat the purpose; 'forceful leader MAY take xyz action' would be hardly a prediction as "may" by definition comes with a "or may not" qualifier.



'At some point, decisive MAGA may exit Iraq and Syria'

Swordsmyth
01-31-2019, 07:49 PM
Unfortunately, polls options do not allow edit.

But poll questions with a "may" sort of will defeat the purpose; 'forceful leader MAY take xyz action' would be hardly a prediction as "may" by definition comes with a "or may not" qualifier.



'At some point, decisive MAGA may exit Iraq and Syria'
The option would be "no end in sight but Trump begins building the wall on his own".

The "may" applies to all of the options, we are then voting on which thing that he MAY do that we believe he will do.

brushfire
01-31-2019, 07:51 PM
Words have meaning... Undocumented workers, assault rifles, and government shutdowns. All hyperbole to support political theater.

So far, we've seen what amounts to a national park shutdown - BFD.

Anti Globalist
01-31-2019, 08:31 PM
Yes and hopefully the government will stay shut down the whole election season.

Origanalist
01-31-2019, 09:05 PM
Words have meaning... Undocumented workers, assault rifles, and government shutdowns. All hyperbole to support political theater.

So far, we've seen what amounts to a national park shutdown - BFD.

https://static1.fjcdn.com/comments/Hes+right+you+know+in+b4+morgan+freeman+meme+_b48a be3e7827cd066915c3e45c64f3ae.jpg

Occam's Banana
01-31-2019, 10:16 PM
Another shutdown? Did I miss one? :confused:

RonZeplin
01-31-2019, 10:52 PM
This time the government will remain shutdown, until every Illegal Alien Invader is granted Amnesty,

https://i1.wp.com/www.stridentconservative.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Trump-DACA.jpg?resize=560%2C344&ssl=1

He's another Ronald Reagan, 2nd GOP amnesty on the way.

Swordsmyth
01-31-2019, 11:00 PM
This time the government will remain shutdown, until every Illegal Alien Invader is granted Amnesty,

https://i1.wp.com/www.stridentconservative.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Trump-DACA.jpg?resize=560%2C344&ssl=1

He's another Ronald Reagan, 2nd GOP amnesty on the way.
Nope.

RonZeplin
01-31-2019, 11:43 PM
Nope.

President Trump is a genuine Reagan Reconquista Republican.

http://www.davidduke.com/images/reagan-and-illegal-amnesty2.jpg

enhanced_deficit
02-01-2019, 04:28 PM
February 1, 2019

Trump: 'Good chance' he will declare emergency for wall money

Steve Holland

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump edged closer on Friday to defying the power of the U.S. Congress by declaring a national emergency in an attempt to obtain funding for a U.S.-Mexico border wall, a step that would likely draw a court challenge from Democrats.

Trump said at a White House event that he might declare such an emergency because it did not appear that Democrats in Congress were moving toward a deal that would provide the money he wants to help fund the wall, which Democrats broadly oppose.
“We’re not getting anywhere with them,” Trump said during an event at the White House, citing what he called “tremendous obstruction by Democrats,” who call their differences with the president a basic disagreement over immigration policy.
“I think there’s a good chance that we’ll have to do that,” Trump added, referring to the possibility of an emergency.
Under the U.S. Constitution, Congress holds the national purse strings and approves major expenditures of taxpayer funds.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-shutdown/trump-good-chance-he-will-declare-emergency-for-wall-money-idUSKCN1PQ5H7

enhanced_deficit
02-10-2019, 10:41 PM
White House chief of staff Mulvaney won't rule out possibility of another shutdownWith just days left to find a deal, the White House signaled a willingness accept wall funding that is "someplace in the middle."



Feb. 10, 2019, 10:05 AM EST
By Ben Kamisar
WASHINGTON — Five days ahead of the latest funding deadline, acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney said Sunday that he "absolutely cannot" rule out the possibility of another partial government shutdown if Congress doesn't come to an agreement that includes substantial funding for a border wall.
Mulvaney blamed the uncertainty on congressional Democrats, arguing that the party appears torn between the "hardcore, left wing" that sees any funding for President Donald Trump's signature border wall as a non-starter, and a more moderate faction that appears open to compromise.
"Let's say the hardcore, left wing of the Democrat Party prevails in this negotiation and they put a bill on the president's desk with, say, zero money for the wall, or $800 million, an absurdly low number. How does he sign that?" Mulvaney told "Meet the Press."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/white-house-chief-staff-mulvaney-won-t-rule-out-possibility-n969801

enhanced_deficit
02-14-2019, 10:21 PM
Congrats to these winners who made the right call:



No, MAGA will declare emergency

aGameOfThrones,
Chester Copperpot,
francisco,
Pauls' Revere

Swordsmyth
02-14-2019, 10:34 PM
Congrats to these winners who made the right call:



No, MAGA will declare emergency

aGameOfThrones,
Chester Copperpot,
francisco,
Pauls' Revere





Don't call it until he signs the bill and declares the emergency or you might end up looking silly:

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enhanced_deficit
02-14-2019, 10:38 PM
Ok, you may have a point.
Also there is still possibility that he signs Dems spending bill and doesn't declare emergency. Although that may sink GOP-Adelson's political future rather quickly.