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timosman
01-31-2019, 06:16 AM
https://dailycaller.com/2018/08/13/iranians-fake-american-twitter/


08/13/2018


Iranian nationals are impersonating Americans online to stoke fears of Indian immigrants
The Iranians are trying to defeat legislation that would eliminate the per-country cap on employment-based green cards, which would force them to wait behind Indian visa-holders, who were in line for green cards first.
The Iranians are organizing their campaign in chat groups on the messaging app Telegram
TheDCNF gained access to the groups through one of its members; one of the administrators confirmed that members are using faux American identities online

Iranian nationals are impersonating Americans online to demonize Indian immigrants as part of a lobbying campaign against proposed legislation in the House of Representatives, a Daily Caller News Foundation investigation has found.

Using Twitter usernames that read like foreign stereotypes of American names, they tweet obsessively at reporters and high-profile political figures about the threats they say Indian immigrants pose to America.

They aim to defeat an amendment to the 2019 Homeland Security Appropriations Bill that would lift the per-country cap on employment-based green cards. The amendment is based on a previously introduced bill, H.R. 392, which had broad bipartisan support.

The per-country cap is currently set at seven percent of the annual limit of the approximately 140,000 green cards the U.S. hands out, creating long lines for certain foreign nationals working on H-1B visas and other non-immigrant visa programs to adjust their immigrant status.

The backlog of Indian workers is particularly large: Since 2001, more than half of all H-1B visas were issued to Indian workers.

Fearful of waiting additional years in line behind Indian visa-holders who were in the queue first, Iranian visa holders are mobilizing against the bill using chat groups on the messaging app Telegram.

One of the groups has more than 5,000 members and was formed to resist President Donald Trump’s travel ban, which included Iran in its list of targeted countries. Another, with more than 2,000 members, is an offshoot of that group, focusing specifically on lobbying against the bill.

Some group members adopted fake American personas online in an attempt to whip up opposition to the bill by stoking fears of Indian immigrants.

The Daily Caller News Foundation was able to join the online groups through one of the members, at whose recommendation TheDCNF adopted a faux Iranian name to gain access. The vast majority of the group discussions are in Persian, with some mostly broken English scattered throughout the chat.

Group members shared their tweets and Twitter accounts in the group, allowing TheDCNF to match fake accounts with real people. TheDCNF opted not to include members’ last names in this story.

One of the group administrators, Muhammad, wrote out a detailed list of instructions for new members, such as to avoid “racist content” and the “hard right” on Twitter. “Do not give too much emphasis to being Iranian,” he advised. “This issue is not related to this bill.”

Many of the Twitter accounts shared in the group were created in July or August and appear to have been created specifically for the online lobbying campaign.

One group member, Maryam, used a picture of herself, but adopted the name “Amanda Blake” on Twitter. Others used American-themed images like flags for their fake accounts.

Still others repurposed existing Twitter accounts, changing their names to hide their Iranian identity. One, for example, changed his name on Twitter from “Ali A” to “Allison.” Another, from “Hossein” to “Hudson.”

“Fellow #Americans, ask him to #removeHR392 and keep jobs for the US not foreign cheap labors,” wrote “Hudson” in one tweet, portraying himself as an American concerned about immigration.

One of the group administrators, Nazbanoo, confirmed in a Telegram chat with TheDCNF that members adopted faux American identities to aggressively push their anti-Indian rhetoric, which she emphasized wasn’t motivated by bigotry, but by frustration.

“I personally love my Indian friends and I don’t see other Iranians dislike them. Their culture is so close to our culture. We are like each other. There is no reason we dislike them,” Nazbanoo wrote.

“We first were tweeting by our own names but then they started belittling us because of [Trump’s] travel ban so some people started hiding themselves under the name of Americans,” she said. When asked who “they” were, she answered: “well, Indians.”

“Because you know, we just wanted to speak. But suddenly they started saying these things against us and said just Iranians opposed this bill. You know we really didn’t want fight. We just wanted to say our points.”

Not all of the group members are bashing Indian immigrants — some have focused more broadly instead on the legislation’s alleged unfairness — but anti-Indian sentiment is a dominant feature of the online lobbying campaign.

“Do you want Indian guys to give your children an exam?” one group member wrote in the internal chat.

Outside of the groups, members have consistently portrayed the proposed legislation as catastrophic for the U.S. — rather than for their personal ambitions.

“#HR392 is gonna impact your life disastrously!” warned one group member, tweeting as “Sammuel Davis.” He appears to have deleted his account or changed his handle sometime after TheDCNF began tracking him and other group members on Twitter.

“Indians have found a sneaky way to replace US graduates and disrupt our job market with cheap workforce and hide their agenda under a ‘fairness’ propaganda,” Sammuel wrote.

Another group member, Mahdi, took credit for creating an account under the more-Americanized name “Matt.”

The flag-adorned account blasted the legislation as a “TROJAN HORSE” that will devour “all the jobs of the US citizens.” In reality, the bill doesn’t increase the total number of green cards, it only lifts the per-country caps.

Another group member, tweeting as “Albert Pickens,” pushed the hashtags “#IndiaFirst” and “#MakeAmericaIndia.”

Not all the group members adopted stereotypical American pseudonyms online — some kept their Iranian names while warning about Indian immigrants on Twitter.

“US will grant millions of Green Cards solely to people from INDIA, therefore: USA will become ‘United States of INDIA’!” Shahab, a chemical engineering graduate student, wrote in a tweet he shared with the group.

“What’s the most terrible nightmare for the US? How Americans can get a job when they suppose to compete with 150 Indian people for 1 position?” another engineering student, Mohammad, wrote in a tweet he shared with the group.

“It is the most anti-American bill ever and against the highly-skilled applicants from the US and other nations.”

The tweets are just one part of the Iranian campaign, which has also emphasized calling, writing and emailing American politicians.

Several members shared form letters they received from senators, promising to keep their suggestions “in mind” when considering the bill — a typical response that carries little significance. (RELATED: Foreign Students Overstay Visas At Twice The Rate Of ‘Regular’ Visitors)

Nazbanoo wasn’t sure how effective the online influence campaign has been.

“Well, we spoke to many Americans but media must cover these things. We really do not have voice. We just tweet every day in hope some more people get aware of this bill,” she wrote.

“But after all we are not American and Americans are those who finally decide about future of their country. We hope they know about this bill and then with enough information they decide. Then we obey whatever they want because this is their country.”

specsaregood
01-31-2019, 06:25 AM
Fake news brought to you by your lobbyist friends for Infosys, Tata, Deloitte, IBM and MS. Need help getting a bad bill passed, blame it on Iran.

Stratovarious
01-31-2019, 07:17 AM
Fake news brought to you by your lobbyist friends for Infosys, Tata, Deloitte, IBM and MS. Need help getting a bad bill passed, blame it on Iran.

Interesting to note though is that they are unknowingly on the 'right' side imv.
We DO NOT WANT to lift caps on tech immigrants , we need to employ
Americans.

CaptUSA
01-31-2019, 11:00 AM
We DO NOT WANT to lift caps on tech immigrants , we need to employ
Americans.

Who is "We"???!

Maybe YOU don't want to hire tech immigrants, but apparently some business owners do. Does liberty mean nothing to you? You want to force those people to bend to your will??

Stratovarious
01-31-2019, 11:06 AM
Who is "We"???!

Maybe YOU don't want to hire tech immigrants, but apparently some business owners do. Does liberty mean nothing to you? You want to force those people to bend to your will??
Maybe some US cos want to hire MS13 members , great business partners. :shrugs:
''Does liberty mean anything to you?''
:frog:

Superfluous Man
01-31-2019, 11:12 AM
Hopefully this revelation will cause people here to give a second thought to just which posters here best fit the paid troll profile.

CaptUSA
01-31-2019, 11:14 AM
Maybe some US cos want to hire MS13 members , great business partners. :shrugs:
''Does liberty mean anything to you?''
:frog:

So, you're dropping all pretenses then? It isn't about trying to preserve liberty or any such nonsense - you just don't want ferr'ners around?

enhanced_deficit
01-31-2019, 11:25 AM
Adelson: Let’s Pass Immigration Reform (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?454313-Adelson-Let’s-Pass-Immigration-Reform&)

Adelson: US should drop atomic bomb on Iran (http://http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?528991-Respected-Neocon-former-Democrat-turned-MAGA-top-funder-wants-GOP-to-shape-up&p=6716888&viewfull=1#post6716888)


Could that explain why MAGA's top funder is so fiercely anti-Iran?

Stratovarious
01-31-2019, 11:40 AM
So, you're dropping all pretenses then? It isn't about trying to preserve liberty or any such nonsense - you just don't want ferr'ners around?
Thems' yoo's woids' .
Hire MS13 gENUS' , its a free country , you should hire whoever you want ......:frog:
Free country bro.......don't be a racist.

timosman
01-31-2019, 11:41 AM
Hopefully this revelation will cause people here to give a second thought to just which posters here best fit the paid troll profile.

I actually thought the article was quite entertaining. :D

Swordsmyth
01-31-2019, 02:21 PM
Hopefully this revelation will cause people here to give a second thought to just which posters here best fit the paid troll profile.
LOL

I was tired of being Russian, it will be a relief to be Iranian for a while.

Swordsmyth
01-31-2019, 02:23 PM
So, you're dropping all pretenses then? It isn't about trying to preserve liberty or any such nonsense - you just don't want ferr'ners around?
Preserving liberty requires limiting how many ferr'ners are allowed to come here.

CaptUSA
01-31-2019, 03:13 PM
Preserving liberty requires limiting how many ferr'ners are allowed to come here.

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/cb/cb8ed7b69a943589190a461dfbbe013263276c14c57fa3ec20 96e33e428caa53.jpg

Swordsmyth
01-31-2019, 03:23 PM
http://www.quickmeme.com/img/cb/cb8ed7b69a943589190a461dfbbe013263276c14c57fa3ec20 96e33e428caa53.jpg

It doesn't mean allowing hostile foreigners to move into your territory impose tyranny on you.

CaptUSA
01-31-2019, 03:31 PM
It doesn't mean allowing hostile foreigners to move into your territory impose tyranny on you.

Does it also mean kicking out the hostile MF'ers who already live in this territory that want to impose tyranny??? Because you'd better watch out then!

Swordsmyth
01-31-2019, 03:35 PM
Does it also mean kicking out the hostile MF'ers who already live in this territory that want to impose tyranny??? Because you'd better watch out then!
It will come to that because they have been allowed to import so many reinforcements, we could divide the territory and let them have their tyranny and their foreign barbarians but they won't let that happen peacefully.

You are on the side of tyranny because it is a short term benefit to your pocketbook to allow the tyrants to import enough people to impose tyranny on us through the ballot box or by force.

nobody's_hero
01-31-2019, 03:35 PM
LOL

I was tired of being Russian, it will be a relief to be Iranian for a while.

LMAO.

Seriously though, this seems awfully fake. What's the motive? Are we to believe the average Iranian gives a damn whether or not the US gets immigrants from India?

Swordsmyth
01-31-2019, 03:39 PM
LMAO.

Seriously though, this seems awfully fake. What's the motive? Are we to believe the average Iranian gives a damn whether or not the US gets immigrants from India?
Iran and India have been getting closer lately, it is rather unlikely that Iran would put any effort into stopping Indians from getting jobs in America.

Superfluous Man
01-31-2019, 03:44 PM
I'm just trying to remember if I've ever read any posts here that stoke fears of Indian immigrants and read like they were written by someone whose facility with English is not that of a native speaker.

timosman
01-31-2019, 03:51 PM
LMAO.

Seriously though, this seems awfully fake. What's the motive? Are we to believe the average Iranian gives a damn whether or not the US gets immigrants from India?

I think the dead giveaway is they accuse Iranians of using Telegraph while using it themselves. They think they are masters of spin. :tears:

Ender
01-31-2019, 03:56 PM
http://www.quickmeme.com/img/cb/cb8ed7b69a943589190a461dfbbe013263276c14c57fa3ec20 96e33e428caa53.jpg

I'M POSITIVE IT DOESN'T.

pcosmar
01-31-2019, 03:58 PM
It doesn't mean allowing hostile foreigners to move into your territory impose tyranny on you.

It's not the Foreigners that have been a problem. It's the Government.

Ender
01-31-2019, 04:01 PM
It's nor the Foreigners that have been a problem. It's the Government.

Yep.

Swordsmyth
01-31-2019, 04:02 PM
It's not the Foreigners that have been a problem. It's the Government.


Yep.
The foreigners empower the government.

"It's not the rattlesnake, it's the toxin":rolleyes:

pcosmar
01-31-2019, 04:04 PM
"It's not the rattlesnake, it's the toxin":rolleyes:

Immunity

Government has NO authority nor power not given by the people.

The fact that we have a corrupt government is a direct result of the American people.

You have failed to control your government,, and kept me disarmed.

Swordsmyth
01-31-2019, 04:06 PM
Immunity
There is no vaccine for tyranny.

pcosmar
01-31-2019, 04:09 PM
There is no vaccine for tyranny.

There is NO King but Jesus.

Swordsmyth
01-31-2019, 04:10 PM
There is NO King but Jesus.
That's nice but it has nothing to do with allowing foreigners to try and impose a false king on us.

pcosmar
01-31-2019, 04:14 PM
That's nice but it has nothing to do with allowing foreigners to try and impose a false king on us.

Americans can do that to themselves..

Not worried about Iranians..

They do make Quality Batteries,, and cheaper than China if not for the interference.
Trade would be nice..

Swordsmyth
01-31-2019, 04:18 PM
Americans can do that to themselves..
It is much easier for them when they are allowed to import unlimited reinforcements to overcome those who oppose it.

pcosmar
01-31-2019, 04:20 PM
It is much easier for them when they are allowed to import unlimited reinforcements to overcome those who oppose it.

And that is really LAME fearmongering of a truly non-existent problem.

Slave Mentality
01-31-2019, 04:20 PM
The foreigners empower the government.

"It's not the rattlesnake, it's the toxin":rolleyes:

Yes indeed. The old give the government more absolute power now because maybe some Mexicans may want to give the government more power.

CCTelander
01-31-2019, 04:22 PM
http://www.quickmeme.com/img/cb/cb8ed7b69a943589190a461dfbbe013263276c14c57fa3ec20 96e33e428caa53.jpg


Seems to me that when Swordy uses the term "liberty" the meaning is quite maleable, depending upon what his specific objective is at the time. Kind of how progressives use the term, come to think of it.

Swordsmyth
01-31-2019, 04:23 PM
And that is really LAME fearmongering of a truly non-existent problem.
It is a VERY real and existent problem.

It has been proven over and over.

CCTelander
01-31-2019, 04:23 PM
I'M POSITIVE IT DOESN'T.


Freedom is slavery.

Swordsmyth
01-31-2019, 04:24 PM
Yes indeed. The old give the government more absolute power now because maybe some Mexicans may want to give the government more power.
It isn't more absolute power, it is a power every government has always had because it is part of its purpose for existing.

Swordsmyth
01-31-2019, 04:26 PM
Seems to me that when Swordy uses the term "liberty" the meaning is quite maleable, depending upon what his specific objective is at the time. Kind of how progressives use the term, come to think of it.
Liberty always means the same thing, it means having other people not tell you what to do as much as possible.

Letting millions of foreigners come in and vote for an ever larger government to tell you what to do isn't liberty.

Swordsmyth
01-31-2019, 04:26 PM
Freedom is slavery.
That is what your side wants us to believe.

CCTelander
01-31-2019, 04:27 PM
Yes indeed. The old give the government more absolute power now because maybe some Mexicans may want to give the government more power.


According to Swordy's Bizzarro World logic, you can increase liberty by diminishing it.

Superfluous Man
01-31-2019, 04:28 PM
According to Swordy's Bizzarro World logic, you can increase liberty by diminishing it.

I'm pretty sure that view is now solidly in the majority here.

CCTelander
01-31-2019, 04:31 PM
I'm pretty sure that view is now solidly in the majority here.


I'm pretty sure you're correct. But I believe most here are still reasonable enough that they'll come around again once the current manufactured crises have played out a bit. Time will tell.

Swordsmyth
01-31-2019, 04:35 PM
According to Swordy's Bizzarro World logic, you can increase liberty by diminishing it.
Limiting it in one area will allow us to advance and secure it in all other aspects of life.

According to your Bizzaro World logic, you can increase liberty by allowing people to tyrannize you.:rolleyes:

kahless
01-31-2019, 04:36 PM
Fake news brought to you by your lobbyist friends for Infosys, Tata, Deloitte, IBM and MS. Need help getting a bad bill passed, blame it on Iran.

First thing I thought of when I was reading it and then saw your post. +1 out of rep.

Brian4Liberty
01-31-2019, 05:14 PM
Everybody wants to come to America. And usually they want to come with more of their own group, so there is competition between groups looking to come here. Venezuelans want to come here too. Maybe if there is a war in Venezuela, they will get to jump to the front of the line as refugees.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT8Zz0Y23rQ

Brian4Liberty
01-31-2019, 05:44 PM
Fake news brought to you by your lobbyist friends for Infosys, Tata, Deloitte, IBM and MS. Need help getting a bad bill passed, blame it on Iran.


First thing I thought of when I was reading it and then saw your post. +1 out of rep.

Russians! They have to be involved in this too.

Brian4Liberty
01-31-2019, 05:45 PM
Hopefully this revelation will cause people here to give a second thought to just which posters here best fit the paid troll profile.

Paid troll would be a subset of people with hidden agendas.

Swordsmyth
01-31-2019, 05:47 PM
Russians! They have to be involved in this too.
I was having fun being Iranian, I don't want to have to be a Russian again so soon.

CaptUSA
01-31-2019, 06:43 PM
It will come to that because they have been allowed to import so many reinforcements, we could divide the territory and let them have their tyranny and their foreign barbarians but they won't let that happen peacefully.

You are on the side of tyranny because it is a short term benefit to your pocketbook to allow the tyrants to import enough people to impose tyranny on us through the ballot box or by force.

Your government edukashun is showing. Only a puny-minded government-educated idiot would think that you solve government-created problems with more government. YOU love you some government teat - you just want it to be your servant. That never happens. But liberty does solve problems.

Swordsmyth
01-31-2019, 06:46 PM
Your government edukashun is showing. Only a puny-minded government-educated idiot would think that you solve government-created problems with more government. YOU love you some government teat - you just want it to be your servant. That never happens. But liberty does solve problems.
Your anarchist simpletonism is showing, it isn't a government created problem, it was created by the government failing to do one of its few legitimate functions, therefore the solution IS to make the government perform that function and protect us from foreign enemies.

CaptUSA
01-31-2019, 06:52 PM
Your anarchist simpletonism is showing, it isn't a government created problem, it was created by the government failing to do one of its few legitimate functions, therefore the solution IS to make the government perform that function and protect us from foreign enemies.

Lol - and now I'm an anarchist again. Damn, you're fuckin stupid! A perfect government tool. If you want to know what's really wrong with the country, stop typing for a minute and take a look in the friggin' mirror.

Progressives. They all want bigger government and they all want "their" form of bigger government. :rolleyes:

Swordsmyth
01-31-2019, 07:02 PM
Lol - and now I'm an anarchist again. Damn, you're $#@!in stupid! A perfect government tool. If you want to know what's really wrong with the country, stop typing for a minute and take a look in the friggin' mirror.
You are an anarchist and you open borders types are what is really wrong with the country because you aid those who want to impose communism by importing hordes of communists.


Progressives. They all want bigger government and they all want "their" form of bigger government. :rolleyes:
I want a much smaller government that performs its legitimate functions, you want to let in communists who will impose the biggest government imaginable.

kahless
01-31-2019, 07:28 PM
You are an anarchist and you open borders types are what is really wrong with the country because you aid those who want to impose communism by importing hordes of communists.

I want a much smaller government that performs its legitimate functions, you want to let in communists who will impose the biggest government imaginable.

I should have saved my +rep for this post. It describes the establishment across all 3 main parties vs the opposition.

CaptUSA
01-31-2019, 07:34 PM
You are an anarchist and you open borders types...

I'm not an anarchist nor an open border type, but I certainly find those people less objectionable. At least they don't exhibit the slave mentality.

If I had to classify it, I'd say I'm an individualist. Which just means that I see each person on an individual basis. If someone isn't violating my liberty, I won't violate theirs. And I would NEVER ask my master (aka the government, in your case) to do it for me.

kahless
01-31-2019, 07:36 PM
Russians! They have to be involved in this too.

Have you not followed their activism? That block is more powerful and effective than a handful of congressmen that the news media focuses on. They are no small potatoes in politics yet grossly under reported. The lazy news media reports their press releases and activism as fact rather than investigative reporting. Then there is Ad dollars likely as a factor as an incentive to pass off their activism unchallenged.

kahless
01-31-2019, 07:38 PM
At least they don't exhibit the slave mentality.

Yet you support policies that would make American tech workers an underclass to 3rd world H-1B's and them slaves to the tech elites. This besides supporting immigration policies that will grow the size of government that will effectively makes us slaves to them.

timosman
01-31-2019, 07:45 PM
I'm not an anarchist nor an open border type, but I certainly find those people less objectionable. At least they don't exhibit the slave mentality.

If I had to classify it, I'd say I'm an individualist. Which just means that I see each person on an individual basis. If someone isn't violating my liberty, I won't violate theirs. And I would NEVER ask my master (aka the government, in your case) to do it for me.

Is it true living under a bridge can be comfortable? :confused:

Swordsmyth
01-31-2019, 07:52 PM
I'm not an anarchist nor an open border type, but I certainly find those people less objectionable. At least they don't exhibit the slave mentality.

If I had to classify it, I'd say I'm an individualist. Which just means that I see each person on an individual basis. If someone isn't violating my liberty, I won't violate theirs. And I would NEVER ask my master (aka the government, in your case) to do it for me.
The invaders are violating my liberty and asking the government to do its job and stop them doesn't violate theirs.

kahless
01-31-2019, 07:56 PM
Is it true living under a bridge can be comfortable? :confused:

Only for immigrants. You would be locked up for trespassing. No special facility to cater to your every need. No job offers coming in from the American Oligarchs since you are too good for that. You are an American and do not want their jobs. (according to them at least)

If you are lucky and the criminal record for sleeping under a bridge does not catch up with you, the tech elites might give you an entry level tech job where Pajeet who knows less than you do with his fake degree from a fake diploma mill can order you around.

CaptUSA
01-31-2019, 08:08 PM
Is it true living under a bridge can be comfortable? :confused:

:redsmiling: I only troll the trolls. Why should they have all the fun?!

CaptUSA
01-31-2019, 08:12 PM
The invaders are violating my liberty and asking the government to do its job and stop them doesn't violate theirs.
Explains a lot.

https://i.imgflip.com/2plgr7.jpg

Swordsmyth
01-31-2019, 08:20 PM
Explains a lot.

https://i.imgflip.com/2plgr7.jpg
They tipped the balance in favor of politicians who have taken massive amounts of my liberty and even more from my fellow Americans who live in the states that were afflicted with most of them.

pcosmar
01-31-2019, 11:49 PM
It is a VERY real and existent problem.

It has been proven over and over.

No.. it hasn't,,, not to me at all.

You mean "proven" like Piltdown man proves evolution?? or the hockey stick model that proves Global Warming?

Swordsmyth
01-31-2019, 11:51 PM
No.. it hasn't,,, not to me at all.

You mean "proven" like Piltdown man proves evolution?? or the hockey stick model that proves Global Warming?
I mean like showing that their vote has been the determining factor in electing much worse politicians who have gone on to steal much more property and liberty.

pcosmar
01-31-2019, 11:52 PM
They tipped the balance in favor of politicians who have taken massive amounts of my liberty and even more from my fellow Americans who live in the states that were afflicted with most of them.

I have seen the Promoters of this CRAP increase the Police State,, and use it to justify the 200 mile constitution free zone.

Take that worthless Fearmongering Propaganda elsewhere.. It is Anti-Liberty at every level.

pcosmar
01-31-2019, 11:55 PM
I mean like showing that their vote has been the determining factor in electing much worse politicians who have gone on to steal much more property and liberty.

Doubts.. Americans have a proven ability to do that to themselves.

Unless you are blaming Prohibition,, and Wilson's Betrayal on illegal immigrants.

Swordsmyth
01-31-2019, 11:57 PM
I have seen the Promoters of this CRAP increase the Police State,, and use it to justify the 200 mile constitution free zone.

Take that worthless Fearmongering Propaganda elsewhere.. It is Anti-Liberty at every level.
That is garbage, "Terrorism" was used to justify the 200 mile constitution free zone.
Nothing much at all has been done about illegal or excessive immigration because it feeds the power of the state.

Take your head in the sand garbage elsewhere, it is the death knell of liberty.

Swordsmyth
01-31-2019, 11:59 PM
Doubts.. Americans have a proven ability to do that to themselves.
You can doubt all you want but that doesn't change the facts


Unless you are blaming Prohibition,, and Wilson's Betrayal on illegal immigrants.
I don't know how much of an illegal immigration problem there was back then but excessive immigration contributed to both of those.

pcosmar
02-01-2019, 12:10 AM
I don't know how much of an illegal immigration problem there was back then but excessive immigration contributed to both of those.
Damned Irish,, or was it the Italians?

Never-mind. Fear is a great excuse for more police controls...

Swordsmyth
02-01-2019, 12:18 AM
Damned Irish,, or was it the Italians?

Never-mind. Fear is a great excuse for more police controls...
It was all of the European socialists that came in vast numbers after the failed revolutions of the mid 1800's.

pcosmar
02-01-2019, 12:27 AM
It was all of the European socialists that came in vast numbers after the failed revolutions of the mid 1800's.

It was Fabian Socialism adopted by the "intelligentsia" of American Society. As well as deliberate intent by Foreign Bankers that Wilson sold out to.

Nothing to do with illegal immigration,, which was not even an issue till after the Viet Nam War. (Gook immigrants)

How many German Scientists does to take to ruin?

How many sick Phucks in Positions of real power?


Illegal immigration is a non issue except to the xenophobic and ignorant.

Swordsmyth
02-01-2019, 12:33 AM
It was Fabian Socialism adopted by the "intelligentsia" of American Society.
Which would have had little to no support if the European socialists hadn't been allowed in in such large numbers for so long.


As well as deliberate intent by Foreign Bankers that Wilson sold out to.
That is a constant throughout history but they need the support of enough of the people in order to implement their plans, that is why they expend so much money on propaganda, including open borders and massive immigration propaganda.


Nothing to do with illegal immigration,, which was not even an issue till after the Viet Nam War.
Did I say the excessive immigrants were illegal?
Excessive legal immigration is almost as bad as illegal immigration, the only reason that illegal immigration is worse is because it consists of those more likely to have criminal tendencies and have no respect for the culture they are infiltrating.

pcosmar
02-01-2019, 12:35 AM
Keep going ,,

Your foolishness is making my arguments.

Swordsmyth
02-01-2019, 12:37 AM
Keep going ,,

Your foolishness is making my arguments.
LOL

pcosmar
02-01-2019, 12:46 AM
It was all of the European socialists that came in vast numbers after the failed revolutions of the mid 1800's.

NO,,
It was J.P.Morgan,, Rothschild, Astors, DuPonts, Guggenheims, Vanderbilts , Carnegie, Harriman, etc etc.

go read some history.. These phucks did it..

Swordsmyth
02-01-2019, 12:48 AM
NO,,
It was J.P.Morgan,, Rothschild, Astors, DuPonts, Guggenheims, Vanderbilts , Carnegie, Harriman, etc etc.

go read some history.. These phucks did it..
And they had help, they couldn't have pulled it off without the support of a major portion of the populace, they were not gods.

Slave Mentality
02-01-2019, 09:42 AM
NO,,
It was J.P.Morgan,, Rothschild, Astors, DuPonts, Guggenheims, Vanderbilts , Carnegie, Harriman, etc etc.

go read some history.. These phucks did it..


And they had help, they couldn't have pulled it off without the support of a major portion of the populace, they were not gods.

The "help" they had was manipulation of the masses using monetary policy and media propaganda., just like they do today. Immigrants were used as scapegoats, just like they are today.

Another common factor between a 100 years ago and today is that people are begging for their enslavement while blaming the "others".

More government control = less liberty every fucking time

2+2 does not equal 5 no matter how much bullshit is fed.

acptulsa
02-01-2019, 10:07 AM
Fake news brought to you by your lobbyist friends for Infosys, Tata, Deloitte, IBM and MS. Need help getting a bad bill passed, blame it on Iran.

Huh, ya think? What was your first clue?


They aim to defeat an amendment to the 2019 Homeland Security Appropriations Bill that would lift the per-country cap on employment-based green cards. The amendment is based on a previously introduced bill, H.R. 392, which had broad bipartisan support.

The per-country cap is currently set at seven percent of the annual limit of the approximately 140,000 green cards the U.S. hands out, creating long lines for certain foreign nationals working on H-1B visas and other non-immigrant visa programs to adjust their immigrant status.

The backlog of Indian workers is particularly large: Since 2001, more than half of all H-1B visas were issued to Indian workers.

Fearful of waiting additional years in line behind Indian visa-holders who were in the queue first, Iranian visa holders are mobilizing against the bill using chat groups on the messaging app Telegram.

You couldn't figure out how lifting caps would slow down the process?

People like you, who have brains and use them, are a menace. You are a bane to corporate propagandists everywhere. You should be ashamed.


Yes indeed. The old give the government more absolute power now because maybe some Mexicans may want to give the government more power.

And as for you...

+rep to you too.


Your anarchist simpletonism is showing, it isn't a government created problem, it was created by the government...

Is it possible to use the exact same "logic" as a propagandist and yet not be one?

pcosmar
02-01-2019, 10:33 AM
And they had help, they couldn't have pulled it off without the support of a major portion of the populace, they were not gods.

The "people" had no idea what was done behind closed doors by the Most Powerful and influential men in America.

This was a Top down Phucking,,, and the people had nothing to say about it.

Nobody voted to impose an Income Tax to enslave the entire nation.

The people voted against involvement in Foreign Wars,,, but WWI and the Tax Burden for it, was imposed on them.

It was an inside job. not foreign immigrant voters.

Swordsmyth
02-01-2019, 04:32 PM
Is it possible to use the exact same "logic" as a propagandist and yet not be one?
That's a nice deceptively edited quote, you should apply for a job in the MSM.
Here is the full quote:

Your anarchist simpletonism is showing, it isn't a government created problem, it was created by the government failing to do one of its few legitimate functions, therefore the solution IS to make the government perform that function and protect us from foreign enemies.

Swordsmyth
02-01-2019, 04:34 PM
The "people" had no idea what was done behind closed doors by the Most Powerful and influential men in America.

This was a Top down Phucking,,, and the people had nothing to say about it.

Nobody voted to impose an Income Tax to enslave the entire nation.

The people voted against involvement in Foreign Wars,,, but WWI and the Tax Burden for it, was imposed on them.

It was an inside job. not foreign immigrant voters.
The people voted for the progressives who were capable of such treachery and they were voting for all of the other progressive policies that the politicians ran on.
That wouldn't have happened had there not been so many socialist immigrants over the course of the previous century.

pcosmar
02-01-2019, 05:49 PM
The people voted for the progressives who were capable of such treachery and they were voting for all of the other progressive policies that the politicians ran on.
That wouldn't have happened had there not been so many socialist immigrants over the course of the previous century.

So that explains Lincoln plunging the country into Civil War..

and here I thought it was manipulation by the Bankers.

Swordsmyth
02-01-2019, 05:55 PM
So that explains Lincoln plunging the country into Civil War..

and here I thought it was manipulation by the Bankers.
The socialist immigrants started coming in the decades before the war and they were a large part of the marxist Republican party, they were also a major part of the Union army.
No Republican party would have meant no Lincoln Presidency and no war and without the immigrants the Union army would have lost the war.

I have told you this before.

pcosmar
02-01-2019, 06:06 PM
I have told you this before.

:rolleyes:

Swordsmyth
02-01-2019, 06:07 PM
:rolleyes:
:rolleyes::rolleyes: