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TER
01-22-2019, 08:19 PM
https://www.christianpost.com/news/new-york-legislature-passes-bill-allowing-abortions-up-to-birth-for-any-reason.html

PURE EVIL

TER
01-22-2019, 08:20 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/LiveAction/status/1087867518826500096

This is the sound from the NY Senate chamber after the 38-24 vote to:

- Add abortion to the NY Constitution

- Allow non-physicians to commit abortions

- Allow abortion through third trimester

- Repeal protections for surviving babies

Pure evil.

Swordsmyth
01-22-2019, 08:24 PM
There can be no living in the same country with people like this, we must part ways or put them down as the murderers that they are.

euphemia
01-22-2019, 08:24 PM
This is just heartbreaking. I don’t think we can ever lobby or legislate ourselves out of the culture of death. Prayer is always the first and best option because we join where God is working. He can close down the obortuaries.

euphemia
01-22-2019, 08:26 PM
PS: I think New York wants to outpace California in its diabolical heart. Soon it will become the Evil Empire State.

Anti Globalist
01-22-2019, 08:26 PM
What a disgrace the state of New York is. Grover Cleveland would be disappointed if he saw what his state is doing.

AuH20
01-22-2019, 08:34 PM
There can be no living in the same country with people like this, we must part ways or put them down as the murderers that they are.

I think the silent one will take care of them. Their cities will burn.

Swordsmyth
01-22-2019, 08:36 PM
I think the silent one will take care of them. Their cities will burn.
I am happy to let GOD deal with them if we can separate from them but I think separation will require bloodshed anyway.

AuH20
01-22-2019, 08:40 PM
I am happy to let GOD deal with them if we can separate from them but I think separation will require bloodshed anyway.

Transhumanism.
Infanticide
Usury
War.

New York City isn't long for this world. And I'm speaking as of native. Though LA has worse stuff going on there. Covens and the like.

I'm not even a Bible thumper and I can see the severe imbalances that will require an act of "equilibrium." Unnatural evil will be reduced at some point by forces beyond our comprehension. Sure, we may all suffer greatly until that point, but that's life.

jkr
01-22-2019, 08:56 PM
iH8
ny

AuH20
01-22-2019, 08:57 PM
iH8
ny

https://rossrightangle.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/nyc-rotten-apple.jpg

AuH20
01-22-2019, 09:01 PM
No rifles for you citizen, but if you want to insert your baby into a blender, NO PROBLEM. The soul collector is open 24/7.

RJB
01-22-2019, 09:01 PM
Sure, we may all suffer greatly until that point, but that's life. Bad times (shtf) happens now and then. I read somewhere that about 7 million starved in the US during the Great Depression. We're even bigger and due for a harder fall. This year or 50 years from now, we will face adversity. Be prepared, my friends. As you said, that's life.

AuH20
01-22-2019, 09:03 PM
Bad times (shtf) happens now and then. I read somewhere that about 7 million starved in the US during the Great Depression. We're even bigger and due for a harder fall. This year or 50 years from now, we will face adversity. Be prepared, my friends. As you said, that's life.

They left us with a big tab. Pain for pain.

AuH20
01-22-2019, 09:04 PM
An abortion clinic would be a great place to attract unclean spirits, given the vibrational anguish that takes place there.

Brian4Liberty
01-22-2019, 09:10 PM
So what does the AMA say about abortion? Do they have guidelines? You’d think that an actual medical association would say something to the effect that “late term abortion should never be performed after x months as the baby is viable outside the womb”.

Pauls' Revere
01-22-2019, 09:15 PM
If anyone wants to write a petition here is a link.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/

I'd like to see New York secede. But if someone writes a petition I'll sign it.

AuH20
01-22-2019, 09:16 PM
https://media.kesq.com/npg-global-us-east-1/photo/2018/05/24/hillary%20and%20cuomo_1527191984875.jpg.jpg.jpg_11 643700_ver1.0_640_360.jpg

AuH20
01-22-2019, 09:17 PM
If the RCC wasn't so corrupt, they'd excommunicate his ass.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FiCQ1_3Z22Q/UuE0mNM8l0I/AAAAAAAAAbY/tCjyWm63cpY/s1600/CINO.jpg

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Qz4G_LLqJTs/V3BLuuCydVI/AAAAAAAAAwU/YfF-2vsYYzYkaNwBkyp1yLTvDNaeWZlbwCLcB/s1600/cuomo%2Bdolan.JPG

Swordsmyth
01-22-2019, 09:19 PM
If anyone wants to write a petition here is a link.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/

I'd like to see New York secede. But if someone writes a petition I'll sign it.
To expel NY from the union?

Pauls' Revere
01-22-2019, 09:20 PM
To expel NY from the union?

Sure!

Swordsmyth
01-22-2019, 09:22 PM
If the RCC wasn't so corrupt, they'd excommunicate his ass.
It's everywhere, my own church not only failed to excommunicate Harry Reid but never even denied him a Temple Recommend.(Certification of worthiness to participate in sacred ordinances)

AuH20
01-22-2019, 09:24 PM
It's everywhere, my own church not only failed to excommunicate Harry Reid but never even denied him a Temple Recommend.(Certification of worthiness to participate in sacred ordinances)

The Bishop of Albany blasted him for this bill. Cardinal Dolan is conspicuously quiet, because that's his buddy.

AuH20
01-22-2019, 09:28 PM
Read this. Great letter.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/deaconsbench/2019/01/do-not-build-this-death-star-albanys-bishop-writes-to-one-of-his-flock-governor-andrew-cuomo/

Dear Governor Cuomo,

Although in your recent State of the State address you cited your Catholic faith and said we should “stand with Pope Francis,” your advocacy of extreme abortion legislation is completely contrary to the teachings of our pope and our Church. Once truth is separated from fiction and people come to realize the impact of the bill, they will be shocked to their core. By that time, however, it may be too late to save the countless lives that will be lost or spare countless women lifelong regret.

The so-called Reproductive Health Act (RHA) will expand abortion under the pretenses of choice and progress, which, in fact, it will do little to enhance. At the same time, this legislation threatens to rupture the communion between the Catholic faith and those who support the RHA even while professing to follow the Church, something that troubles me greatly as a pastor.

Contrary to what its proponents say, the RHA goes far beyond Roe vs. Wade in its aggressive extremism. Granting non-doctors permission to perform abortions does nothing to advance the security and health of women. Condoning coerced or involuntary abortions by repealing criminal sanctions even in cases where a perpetrator seeks to make his partner “un-pregnant” through an act of physical violence does not represent any kind of progress in the choice, safety or health of women. Removing protection for an infant accidentally born alive during an abortion is abject cruelty, something most people of conscience would deem inhumane for even a dog or cat. Finally, allowing late-term abortions is nothing less than a license to kill a pre-born child at will.

It is very difficult to understand how you can align yourself with Pope Francis and so vehemently advocate such profoundly destructive legislation.

I find myself wondering how it can be viewed as “progress” to have gone from a society working to make abortion “rare” to one that urges women to “shout your abortion” as some advocates of this bill boldly announce.

How is it progress to ignore the harm that this will do, not only to innocent infants, born and unborn, but to their mothers? Does the heartache of so many New York women who have been pained by their abortion decisions matter? Is anyone listening to them? How is it really “pro-choice” when a law, which claims to guarantee choice, moves to expand only one option for women?

If abortion is deemed a fundamental right in New York State, will the State then still be able to issue licenses to pro-life nurses or physicians? Will health facilities which do not provide abortions be certified? Will the law allow that even one dollar be given to maternity services without offering women the “choice” of abortion? These are unanswered questions, but I shudder to think of the consequences this law will wreak. You have already uttered harsh threats about the welcome you think pro-lifers are not entitled to in our state. Now you are demonstrating that you mean to write your warning into law. Will being pro-life one day be a hate crime in the State of New York?

Our young people especially, who have seen their sonograms and who follow the discoveries the sciences have made, know the lies and the despair that proponents of such dangerous and death-dealing legislation are promulgating, even if blindly or unwittingly.

Giving up on life is no excuse for us as a responsible and compassionate people. In so doing, we evade the challenge of accompanying women and the families they are trying to nurture on the long journey. They deserve our courageous and ongoing support in creating conditions under which they will be free to bear and provide for their children.

As a society, we can and must do better. The teaching and intuition of our common faith readies us to help. It is an essential part of our mission to support the lives of all, especially the voiceless, the most vulnerable and marginalized, as Pope Francis always reminds us to do.

Let’s not bequeath to our children a culture of death, but together build a more humane society for the lives of all of our fellow citizens.

Mr. Cuomo, do not build this Death Star.

Sincerely yours,

Most Rev. Edward B. Scharfenberger
Bishop of Albany

Swordsmyth
01-22-2019, 09:36 PM
Sure!

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/expel-new-york-state-union-gross-violation-right-life-and-many-other-gross-rights-violations

Pauls' Revere
01-22-2019, 09:46 PM
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/expel-new-york-state-union-gross-violation-right-life-and-many-other-gross-rights-violations

:up:

+

Anti Federalist
01-23-2019, 12:31 AM
There can be no living in the same country with people like this, we must part ways or put them down as the murderers that they are.

This.

Anti Federalist
01-23-2019, 12:45 AM
Well, at least they were consistent and repealed homicide laws that allowed prosecutors to charge a person with murder for killing a woman's unborn child. (https://legislation.nysenate.gov/pdf/bills/2017/S2796)

Swordsmyth
01-23-2019, 12:58 AM
How long until they give the mother a year or two after birth to "terminate" the kid?

I can't find it right now but I know Peter Singer and others have advocated for it.

Mach
01-23-2019, 03:56 AM
New York is done.... third-world country.


https://buffalonews.com/2019/01/22/long-stalled-abortion-bill-passes-new-york-legislature/


....the bill maintains abortions as legal within 24 weeks of the start of a pregnancy – “or at any time when necessary to protect a woman’s life or health.’’ Late-term abortions had previously been authorized under state law if they meant saving the life of a woman.

The measure, which takes effect immediately, expands access to abortions by authorizing other health professionals – beyond physicians under a 1970 state law that came three years ahead of the landmark Roe v. Wade U.S. Supreme Court decision – to perform abortions.

Physician assistants will be permitted to also carry out surgical abortions and licensed midwives and nurse practitioners can do nonsurgical procedures using medications if they are “acting within his or her lawful scope of practice," according to the legislation.

“The Legislature finds that comprehensive reproductive health care is a fundamental component of every individual’s health, privacy and equality," reads the opening sentence of the new law.



https://image.slidesharecdn.com/thefetaldevelopment101-120116223658-phpapp02/95/the-fetal-development-11-728.jpg?cb=1326754559

Champ
01-23-2019, 04:00 AM
It's gotten to the point that even if you don't have a hard stance one way or the other, you cannot help but scratch your head over this.

The slippery slope we were warned about ages ago is in full affect and has become a full blown push off a cliff. They are getting close to making a law that straight up says they can kill an already born baby "in the case of rape, incest, or other birth defects". And once we reach that point, they will have all kinds of avenues to spread this evil.

Funny thing is, as this is happening, the supposed soft conservative/Trump supporting websites have next to no coverage of this. They are too busy talking about some Catholic children and a Native American man, while these sinister people are on the highway to hell in the mission to make it legal to kill someone "due to abnormal thought or offensive behavior".

AuH20
01-23-2019, 07:49 AM
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/01/22/one-world-trade-center-lit-up-in-pink-to-celebrate-ny-abortion-law/

AuH20
01-23-2019, 07:50 AM
This is golden calf level of ignorance.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/01/22/one-world-trade-center-lit-up-in-pink-to-celebrate-ny-abortion-law/

Stratovarious
01-23-2019, 08:15 AM
It shouldn't even be graced with the term 'abortion' or
'Planned Parenthood' , its clearly Murder in the first degree,
and Planned Murderhood.
-
We all know by now that the 'church' follows or goes wherever
the money goes, we saw that 'flip', with the Gay Marriage issue, we
see it now with the sanctioning of murdering children.
-
Murdering children is a matter of convenience, pure and simple
liberals are by far the most self serving, hypocritical group of humans we have ever seen.

enhanced_deficit
01-23-2019, 08:21 AM
So NY is getting close to our closest ally and GOP darling Israel, it's a good day.
It's high time for GOP base, US Christian Zionist groups and other pro-foreign spending conservatives to send $30-$40 Billion money to fellow Americans of New York and stand with New York if they don't want to be labeled as "Hypocrites R Us":

#HypocritesRUs


Israeli government offers women aged 20 to 33 free abortions (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?506795-Did-Trump-just-open-the-door-for-cutting-US-taxpayers-aid-to-Israel&p=6404332&viewfull=1#post6404332)
Jan 7, 2014 -The 2014 “health basket” of medical services and medications approved by Israel’s cabinet Sunday (Jan. 5) includes free abortions for Israeli women aged 20 to 33, regardless of the circumstances.



Trump reinstates ban on US funding for abortion overseas (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?506795-Did-Trump-just-open-the-door-for-cutting-US-taxpayers-aid-to-Israel&p=6404332&viewfull=1#post6404332)
By Jessie Hellmann - 01/23/17


GOP controlled US Senate’s First Bill, in Midst of Shutdown, to ensure $38B Aid to Israel and no boycotts (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?529979-US-Senate’s-First-Bill-in-Midst-of-Shutdown-to-ensure-38B-Aid-to-Israel-and-no-boycotts&)





Related

U.S. Pro-Life Groups Bite Their Tongues as Israel Expands Abortion Coverage (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?440456-U-S-Pro-Life-Groups-Bite-Their-Tongues-as-Israel-Expands-Abortion-Coverage&)

enhanced_deficit
01-23-2019, 08:27 AM
So NY is getting close to our closest ally and GOP darling Israel, it's a good day.
It's high time for GOP base, US Christian Zionist groups and other pro-foreign spending conservatives to send $30-$40 Billion money to fellow Americans of New York and stand with New York if they don't want to be labeled as "Hypocrites R Us":

#HypocritesRUs


Israeli government offers women aged 20 to 33 free abortions (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?506795-Did-Trump-just-open-the-door-for-cutting-US-taxpayers-aid-to-Israel&p=6404332&viewfull=1#post6404332)
Jan 7, 2014 -The 2014 “health basket” of medical services and medications approved by Israel’s cabinet Sunday (Jan. 5) includes free abortions for Israeli women aged 20 to 33, regardless of the circumstances.



Trump reinstates ban on US funding for abortion overseas (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?506795-Did-Trump-just-open-the-door-for-cutting-US-taxpayers-aid-to-Israel&p=6404332&viewfull=1#post6404332)
By Jessie Hellmann - 01/23/17


GOP controlled US Senate’s First Bill, in Midst of Shutdown, to ensure $38B Aid to Israel and no boycotts (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?529979-US-Senate’s-First-Bill-in-Midst-of-Shutdown-to-ensure-38B-Aid-to-Israel-and-no-boycotts&)





Related

U.S. Pro-Life Groups Bite Their Tongues as Israel Expands Abortion Coverage (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?440456-U-S-Pro-Life-Groups-Bite-Their-Tongues-as-Israel-Expands-Abortion-Coverage&)




At this time, there is no data available in MSM news to determine which phenomenon is causing more bleeding of blood, US Christian groups' tongue-biting or abortions (aka "baby murders") in NY.

Anti Federalist
01-27-2019, 07:58 PM
I notice that no where does the law make any accommodation or mention of the father or what his wishes may be.

Other than to pay up for 22 years, of course.

TER
01-27-2019, 08:39 PM
On a cosmic level, this bill passage is more threatning to the future of this civilization than any debate or disagreements on border walls, immigration, or fiscal policies. It is these bills which do not escape the wrath of God.

TER
01-27-2019, 08:45 PM
The Order of Saint Andrew the Apostle, Archons of the Ecumenical Patriarchate, Condemns New York’s New Abortion Law

The Order of Saint Andrew the Apostle, Archons of the Ecumenical Patriarchate, strongly condemns the State of New York’s new Reproductive Health Act that was passed on January 22, 2019. This new law allows abortions up to the moment of birth and gives people who are not doctors the right to perform abortions.

The Order also deplores the celebratory atmosphere surrounding the new law, as One World Trade Center was lit pink to commemorate the passage of the law, as if it represented a great advance for the rights of women. The rights of no human being are ever advanced at the expense of another. The State of New York will not truly have respect for the rights of women until it once again restores legal protections for every human being, from his or her first moment of existence until natural death.

Hailed as progress, New York’s Reproductive Health Act is not actually an advance, but a regression, a return to a time of barbarism when the weak were at the mercy of the strong and had no protection from legal structures or governing authorities.

The Order implores New York’s legislators to reconsider this dangerous new law and reinstitute protections for all human life, no matter how weak and vulnerable. Only when such protections exist can any society truly prosper.

Rev. Alexander Karloutsos
Protopresbyter of the Ecumenical Patriarchate
Spiritual Advisor of the Order of Saint Andrew the Apostle

Origanalist
01-27-2019, 08:46 PM
It's gotten to the point that even if you don't have a hard stance one way or the other, you cannot help but scratch your head over this.

The slippery slope we were warned about ages ago is in full affect and has become a full blown push off a cliff. They are getting close to making a law that straight up says they can kill an already born baby "in the case of rape, incest, or other birth defects". And once we reach that point, they will have all kinds of avenues to spread this evil.

Funny thing is, as this is happening, the supposed soft conservative/Trump supporting websites have next to no coverage of this. They are too busy talking about some Catholic children and a Native American man, while these sinister people are on the highway to hell in the mission to make it legal to kill someone "due to abnormal thought or offensive behavior".

Look at the shiny thing.

Origanalist
01-27-2019, 08:48 PM
It shouldn't even be graced with the term 'abortion' or
'Planned Parenthood' , its clearly Murder in the first degree,
and Planned Murderhood.
-
We all know by now that the 'church' follows or goes wherever
the money goes, we saw that 'flip', with the Gay Marriage issue, we
see it now with the sanctioning of murdering children.
-
Murdering children is a matter of convenience, pure and simple
liberals are by far the most self serving, hypocritical group of humans we have ever seen.

There is no other possible take on this subject no matter how you frame it.

Swordsmyth
01-27-2019, 10:02 PM
On a cosmic level, this bill passage is more threatning to the future of this civilization than any debate or disagreements on border walls, immigration, or fiscal policies. It is these bills which do not escape the wrath of God.
+Rep

That is why I said we can't live in the same country as these people.

Pray that GOD grants us separation so that we do not share in their punishment.

Stratovarious
01-28-2019, 06:32 AM
There is no other possible take on this subject no matter how you frame it.
Democrat Party touts itself as the 'compassionate' ones, give us a break....right? geezz...
-
Liberals also pretend to be all about Women's causes, well the truth is
that a liberal would prefer a woman raped, and beaten to death than
have the right to protect herself and/or her children.

AuH20
01-28-2019, 07:49 AM
They think we have the memory of a goldfish.

https://www.progressivebumperstickers.com/images/151.jpg

AuH20
01-28-2019, 07:50 AM
On a cosmic level, this bill passage is more threatning to the future of this civilization than any debate or disagreements on border walls, immigration, or fiscal policies. It is these bills which do not escape the wrath of God.

'God' doesn't like to interfere down here, if you've been keeping notes.

PursuePeace
01-28-2019, 01:52 PM
So will there be babies who were "supposedly" aborted? In other words, Full term babies with no record of birth?
Is there an even darker side to this (I know that sounds almost impossible), but I wonder if this also has to do with human trafficking?

Superfluous Man
01-28-2019, 02:02 PM
This is terrible. But truthfully, it's more symbolism than substance. Already, ever since Roe v. Wade, all states are already required to allow abortion up to the time of birth when it's done for the sake of the health of the mother, and this exception includes mental health defined however broadly any doctor wishes to define it.

Superfluous Man
01-28-2019, 02:06 PM
So will there be babies who were "supposedly" aborted? In other words, Full term babies with no record of birth?
Is there an even darker side to this (I know that sounds almost impossible), but I wonder if this also has to do with human trafficking?

Very interesting point.

Mothers will be pregnant, go under anesthesia, wake up not pregnant any more, and without any knowledge of where their baby is or whether it really is dead or alive, with the abortion providers being free to do whatever is most profitable to them with that maybe-dead-maybe-alive baby that is now their property, and not its mother's.

Swordsmyth
01-28-2019, 04:06 PM
'God' doesn't like to interfere down here, if you've been keeping notes.
But eventually he does when this kind of thing builds up enough.

Swordsmyth
01-28-2019, 04:07 PM
So will there be babies who were "supposedly" aborted? In other words, Full term babies with no record of birth?
Is there an even darker side to this (I know that sounds almost impossible), but I wonder if this also has to do with human trafficking?
A very good point.

TER
01-28-2019, 08:07 PM
https://world.wng.org/content/delaware_legalizes_abortion_through_all_nine_month s

Now Delaware....

Lord have mercy on us sinners

Swordsmyth
01-28-2019, 08:16 PM
https://world.wng.org/content/delaware_legalizes_abortion_through_all_nine_month s

Now Delaware....

Lord have mercy on us sinners
Expect EVERY blue state to follow suit.
Only states with at least one legislative house or the governors mansion under the control of Republicans will have a chance to stop this.

"Not a dimes worth of difference between the parties":rolleyes:

How much are the lives of millions of innocent children worth?

Swordsmyth
01-28-2019, 09:19 PM
https://world.wng.org/content/delaware_legalizes_abortion_through_all_nine_month s

Now Delaware....

Lord have mercy on us sinners


Expect EVERY blue state to follow suit.
Only states with at least one legislative house or the governors mansion under the control of Republicans will have a chance to stop this.

"Not a dimes worth of difference between the parties":rolleyes:

How much are the lives of millions of innocent children worth?


New Mexico: Latest State To Propose Extreme Late-Term Abortion Bill


(https://bigleaguepolitics.com/new-mexico-latest-state-to-propose-extreme-late-term-abortion-bill/)

TER
01-28-2019, 09:25 PM
New Mexico: Latest State To Propose Extreme Late-Term Abortion Bill


(https://bigleaguepolitics.com/new-mexico-latest-state-to-propose-extreme-late-term-abortion-bill/)


:sorrow:

AuH20
01-28-2019, 09:32 PM
https://world.wng.org/content/delaware_legalizes_abortion_through_all_nine_month s

Now Delaware....

Lord have mercy on us sinners


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jL7QJ0vO8UU

TER
01-28-2019, 10:24 PM
This is terrible. But truthfully, it's more symbolism than substance. Already, ever since Roe v. Wade, all states are already required to allow abortion up to the time of birth when it's done for the sake of the health of the mother, and this exception includes mental health defined however broadly any doctor wishes to define it.

Abortions in NY will be regulated in New York under public health law, instead of the existing penal law. This in effect removes any protections as persons from unborn children at any stage of pregnancy. This means a baby can be aborted any time before birth, for any reason. What will be used as 'danger to mother's health' can be nebulous and nonspecific. Probably the most common excuse will be 'depression'.

So if the woman decides on the day before delivery she doesn't want the baby because it will make her ‘depressed’ to deliver it, the doctor or non-doctor can kill the baby in utero.

This is the change. There are now no legal protections for the unborn, even up until the time of delivery.

donnay
01-29-2019, 10:14 AM
NY, NM and VT are just allowing more doctors to become serial killers.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmpWnsdj7jg

Storyline
This police/court room drama is based on actual information on Dr. Kermit Gosnell (played by Earl Billings) who for decades ran a Philadelphia inner-city abortion clinic. In 2010, Philadelphia Police Detectives Wood (Dean Cain) and Stark (Alfonzo Rachel), with DEA and FBI agents, raid the clinic for evidence of illegal prescription drug sales. They are shocked by the clinic's filthy conditions, bags of aborted fetuses in hallways, and fetal body parts stored in a refrigerator. Interviewing clinic workers, they learn: patients are given anesthesia by untrained assistants; one patient died on the operating table from an anesthesia overdose; abortions were performed on babies older than 24 weeks; and some babies were delivered alive, after which Dr. Gosnell cut their spinal cord with scissors. The detectives take the bagged bodies to the coroner and bring the situation to the attention of DA Dan Molinari (Michael Beach). An Assistant DA (Sara Jane Morris) agrees to prosecute the murder ...

Superfluous Man
01-29-2019, 11:00 AM
This in effect removes any protections as persons from unborn children at any stage of pregnancy.

What protections do they have anywhere in the USA, right now, without NY changing its state laws?


So if the woman decides on the day before delivery she doesn't want the baby because it will make her ‘depressed’ to deliver it, the doctor or non-doctor can kill the baby in utero.

This is already the case, right now, everywhere in the USA, and has been ever since Roe v. Wade.

Maybe the part about allowing non-doctors to do it is new. But that qualification doesn't provide any protection for the unborn.

ETA: Correction. Actually, the more important case for this question was Doe v. Bolton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doe_v._Bolton), rather than Roe v. Wade. But both rulings were given on the same day.

TER
01-29-2019, 11:31 AM
In the past, if a mother’s paid someone to kill her third trimester baby for anything other than mother’s life in immediate danger it would be murder. Now, it is not a crime.

Superfluous Man
01-29-2019, 11:42 AM
In the past, if a mother’s paid someone to kill her third trimester baby for anything other than mother’s life in immediate danger it would be murder. Now, it is not a crime.

That has not been the case in the USA ever since 1973, when the Supreme Court ruled that in all 50 states, even in the third trimester, exceptions must be allowed for the health of the mother, which, as you pointed out, can include anything as subjective as the expectation that she will suffer depression.

shakey1
01-29-2019, 12:09 PM
It's gotten to the point that even if you don't have a hard stance one way or the other, you cannot help but scratch your head over this.

The slippery slope we were warned about ages ago is in full affect and has become a full blown push off a cliff. They are getting close to making a law that straight up says they can kill an already born baby "in the case of rape, incest, or other birth defects". And once we reach that point, they will have all kinds of avenues to spread this evil.

Funny thing is, as this is happening, the supposed soft conservative/Trump supporting websites have next to no coverage of this. They are too busy talking about some Catholic children and a Native American man, while these sinister people are on the highway to hell in the mission to make it legal to kill someone "due to abnormal thought or offensive behavior".

^^^^^^^^

TER
01-29-2019, 12:17 PM
That has not been the case in the USA ever since 1973, when the Supreme Court ruled that in all 50 states, even in the third trimester, exceptions must be allowed for the health of the mother, which, as you pointed out, can include anything as subjective as the expectation that she will suffer depression.

Can you state instances when this happened in the past?

Philhelm
01-29-2019, 12:20 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/LiveAction/status/1087867518826500096
- Allow non-physicians to commit abortions


But one of the most prolific arguments in favor of abortion is that women would be forced to get abortions from non-doctors.

Superfluous Man
01-29-2019, 12:39 PM
Can you state instances when this happened in the past?

I cannot. Nor can I say what instances will there be in the future in NY under this law. I can only say that the health of the mother exception, which is as big of a loophole as you described, has been in place nationwide as a matter of federal law, ever since 1973.

TER
01-29-2019, 12:42 PM
I cannot. Nor can I say what instances will there be in the future in NY under this law. I can only say that the health of the mother exception, which is as big of a loophole as you described, has been in place nationwide as a matter of federal law, ever since 1973.

I guess the change then is that under state law, the unborn has lost all rights which were there prior to this law at the state penal level.

Philhelm
01-29-2019, 12:47 PM
I'm not even big on the abortion issue (although I do wish they would at least concede that it is the destruction of life on some level), but this goes beyond the pale.

Superfluous Man
01-29-2019, 12:48 PM
I guess the change then is that under state law, the unborn has lost all rights which were there prior to this law at the state penal level.

What rights did they have before?

It was already the case that mothers could legally abort them right up until the time of birth for any reason that could satisfy the vague requirement of being for the mother's health.

Practically speaking, I see little or no change. The status quo nationwide has been practically as bad as this NY law for 45 years.

Philhelm
01-29-2019, 12:59 PM
What rights did they have before?

It was already the case that mothers could legally abort them right up until the time of birth for any reason that could satisfy the vague requirement of being for the mother's health.

Practically speaking, I see little or no change. The status quo nationwide has been practically as bad as this NY law for 45 years.

I was under the impression that Roe v. Wade allowed for state regulation of abortion during the third trimester or point of viability of the fetus.

Superfluous Man
01-29-2019, 01:09 PM
I was under the impression that Roe v. Wade allowed for state regulation of abortion during the third trimester or point of viability of the fetus.

Roe v. Wade and Doe v. Bolton both limit states' powers to do that significantly. Yes, they allow them to impose different levels of regulations in each trimester. However, Doe v. Bolton required that all states allow for abortions for the sake of the health of the mother throughout all three trimesters. This effectively neuters any limitations that would be intended to prohibit third-trimester abortions for trivial reasons, since some impact on the health of the mother can always be found or made up.

Philhelm
01-29-2019, 01:47 PM
Roe v. Wade and Doe v. Bolton both limit states' powers to do that significantly. Yes, they allow them to impose different levels of regulations in each trimester. However, Doe v. Bolton required that all states allow for abortions for the sake of the health of the mother throughout all three trimesters. This effectively neuters any limitations that would be intended to prohibit third-trimester abortions for trivial reasons, since some impact on the health of the mother can always be found or made up.

I thought that part of the main point within this thread is that New York allows for abortion at any time for no reason given at all. That's a whole lot different from any potential, fraudulent maternal health arguments that may have been made in order to justify a late term abortion.

Superfluous Man
01-29-2019, 02:32 PM
I thought that part of the main point within this thread is that New York allows for abortion at any time for no reason given at all. That's a whole lot different from any potential, fraudulent maternal health arguments that may have been made in order to justify a late term abortion.

Where I'm coming from is that I don't think that in practice it really is a whole lot different. It may look like a big difference symbolically, but it isn't one in actual substance. The health of the mother exception, by its very nature, is de facto a big enough loophole to allow for abortions for any reason.

Swordsmyth
01-29-2019, 03:53 PM
Where I'm coming from is that I don't think that in practice it really is a whole lot different. It may look like one symbolically, but it isn't one in actual substance. The health of the mother exception, by its very nature, is de facto a big enough loophole to allow for abortions for any reason.

But it might have been contested and therefore doctors were afraid to use it, now abortionists don't have to worry and they will absolutely begin to kill more children right up until birth.

Origanalist
01-29-2019, 09:13 PM
VA Considering Bill Legalizing Abortion Until 40 Weeks In Pregnancy
https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/29/va-abortion-bill-40-weeks/

Swordsmyth
01-29-2019, 09:17 PM
VA Considering Bill Legalizing Abortion Until 40 Weeks In Pregnancy
https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/29/va-abortion-bill-40-weeks/
Coming soon to EVERY solid blue state and probably a few states with divided government.

TER
01-29-2019, 09:33 PM
But it might have been contested and therefore doctors were afraid to use it, now abortionists don't have to worry and they will absolutely begin to kill more children right up until birth.

This. Now that it is removed from the penal code, it affords much less legal considerations or hesitation to perform such procedures.

TER
01-29-2019, 09:34 PM
VA Considering Bill Legalizing Abortion Until 40 Weeks In Pregnancy
https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/29/va-abortion-bill-40-weeks/

Lord have mercy

Anti Federalist
01-30-2019, 12:37 AM
VA Considering Bill Legalizing Abortion Until 40 Weeks In Pregnancy
https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/29/va-abortion-bill-40-weeks/

I was just coming here to comment on this.

According to the proposal's author, VA democrat delegate Kathy Tran, it would allow abortion right up to the point of birth.

Here's the exchange between Todd Gilbert (R-Shenandoah) and Kathy Tran (D-Fairfax):

Gilbert: So how late in the third trimester would you be able to do that?

Tran: It’s very unfortunate that our physician witnesses were not able to attend today.

Gilbert: No, I’m talking about your bill. How late in the third trimester could a physician perform an abortion if he indicated it would impair the mental health of the woman?

Tran: Or physical health.

Gilbert: Okay. I’m talking about the mental health.

Tran: Through the third trimester. The third trimester goes all the way up to 40 weeks.

Gilbert: Okay. But to the end of the third trimester?

Tran: Yep. I don’t think we have a limit in the bill.

Gilbert: Where it’s obvious a woman is about to give birth, that she has physical signs that she is about to give birth. Would that be a point at which she could still request an abortion if she was so certified? She’s dilating.

Tran: Mr. Chairman, that would be a decision that the doctor, the physician, and the woman would make at that point.

Gilbert: I understand that. I’m asking if your bill allows that.

Tran: My bill would allow that, yes.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/42803/watch-virginia-democrats-propose-bill-allowing-ryan-saavedra

Anti Federalist
01-30-2019, 12:39 AM
And again, no where is there any mention of the rights, wishes or desires of the father.

Other than to pay for it all, of course.

Anti Federalist
01-30-2019, 12:40 AM
Plot twist:

This is all just window dressing for when government outlaws unpermitted reproduction outside of a lab environment

Swordsmyth
01-30-2019, 12:49 AM
Plot twist:

This is all just window dressing for when government outlaws unpermitted reproduction outside of a lab environment
When all males have been castrated and all women have been sterilized all production of children will take place in government labs using DNA samples that were taken at birth and modified to better meet the needs of the state, the children will be raised by the state so that you won't have to worry about the cost and trouble of raising children unless you have been assigned to work in the childcare system.












And they will still probably produce "extras" so that they can perform their sacrificial rites.

CaptainAmerica
01-30-2019, 01:01 AM
way to go Amerika, classy liberals. Classy. people who want abortion would also be okay with slavery...oh wait they are okay with slavery, we have chinese slavery making our stuff

Swordsmyth
01-30-2019, 02:12 AM
75% of Americans want significant restrictions on abortion. (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/01/15/poll-75-americans-say-abortion-should-be-restricted/)

Philhelm
01-30-2019, 08:17 AM
Gilbert: Where it’s obvious a woman is about to give birth, that she has physical signs that she is about to give birth. Would that be a point at which she could still request an abortion if she was so certified? She’s dilating.

Tran: Mr. Chairman, that would be a decision that the doctor, the physician, and the woman would make at that point.

Gilbert: I understand that. I’m asking if your bill allows that.

Tran: My bill would allow that, yes.


Demons from Hell. Sign me up for the pro-life side. I was never that invested in the abortion debate, and while I viewed a "cluster of cells" as life, I wouldn't have gone so far as to equate abortion at that stage as murder. My biggest gripe was how disingenuous the pro-choice side was about a growing fetus being a form of life. At least own it for what it is. But this has gone to a level of insanity.

Stratovarious
01-30-2019, 08:20 AM
Feminism = Discrimination at the highest possible level;
A man is not legally allowed anywhere in the world to execute/murder
any innocent human being.
Women are not only allowed but encouraged and paid to
murder their own.
55 million since 1973
9 Holocausts
Among the worst mass murderers in history.
You can thank Feminists.

aGameOfThrones
01-30-2019, 01:02 PM
Add Rhode Island to the list.

VA Gov...

1090665573623558144

Anti Federalist
01-30-2019, 01:34 PM
Add Rhode Island to the list.

VA Gov...

1090665573623558144

Yah, was just coming in to post that.

Waiting to see which one of these smooth talking devils finally jumps the shark and openly calls for infanticide up to one year of age.

Zippyjuan
01-30-2019, 01:53 PM
75% of Americans want significant restrictions on abortion. (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/01/15/poll-75-americans-say-abortion-should-be-restricted/)

https://news.gallup.com/poll/243797/six-americans-support-stricter-gun-laws.aspx


Six in 10 Americans Support Stricter Gun Laws

EBounding
01-30-2019, 01:58 PM
Add Rhode Island to the list.

VA Gov...

1090665573623558144

It's "Molech in the Morning!" with Ghoul Governor Northam!

The Dems have been very good at chipping away the humanity of babies in the womb, but they're overplaying their hand now.

Dr.3D
01-30-2019, 02:00 PM
https://news.gallup.com/poll/243797/six-americans-support-stricter-gun-laws.aspx
It's goog thing this isn't some stinking democracy.

Zippyjuan
01-30-2019, 02:01 PM
It's goog thing this isn't some stinking democracy.

You are right. People should not be trusted to make their own decisions. Government should do it for them.

RJB
01-30-2019, 02:03 PM
Add Rhode Island to the list.

VA Gov...

1090665573623558144
That's one of the most sickening thing I have heard. And people focus their anger on wanting to punch a smiling kid who was protesting against this.

Dr.3D
01-30-2019, 02:09 PM
You are right. People should not be trusted to make their own decisions. Government should do it for them.
At least that keeps the majority from tyrannizing the minority.

H_H
01-30-2019, 02:29 PM
Yah, was just coming in to post that.

Ditto.

Open infanticide here we come! Welp, it's actually perfectly understandable. I hear from a certain commentator that it's incomprehensible, impossible to explain this lunacy. But 'snot.

It is vile lunacy. No arguing that.

But explainable, indeed predictable, it very much is.

It's all about r-selection vs. K-selection.

In a glut of resources (the state we find ourselves in), organisms -- probably all organisms, including microbes, everything, but very definitely and extensively documented in mammals -- will start to tend towards a suite of behaviors we may call "r-selection."

* Aversion to competition (want free lunch; everybody gets a ribbon)
* Increased promiscuity (no comment needed)
* Reversal of sex roles (homosexuality (and pedophilia, and bestiality, and objectophilia (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJzV5-njaRc): all coming soon to a street theater near you!) is just a glitch of this that overshoots a bit into behavior that can not produce offspring at all. Whoops! Nature isn't perfect.)
* Disinterest in raising/protecting children

Think about rabbits. How rabbits behave. Unlimited grass. Just eat it. Kind of sums up a lot of human dross you meet/see, eh? Rabbits of Walmart.

And no mother rabbit is going to sacrifice squat -- not a single blade of grass, not a single inconvenient hop -- for her child rabbit.

So the two that are especial relevant here are the first and the last. First: want a free ride; all the pleasure, none of the price. Just ride the carousel. Whee! This sums up perfectly that specimen we call the slut. That's its life, if you call it a life. Then last: disinterest in children. Children are a nuisance. A bother. Mothering instinct is gone. "Let Youtube raise the baby" is not really that different a feel/place than "Let's just toss this one." I can't deal with this right now. And I shouldn't have to. And you can't make me. So, into the garbage heap. Well, suck out the marketable organs, first.

r vs. K really does make a lot of otherwise unexplainable and baffling phenomena in our society become very straightforward and simple.

Leftists are rabbits.

Rabbits don't care about babies.

Letting babies die, or just killing them yourself, either way, has no moral salience to rabbits. None.

So..... now you know. And:

https://pics.me.me/knowing-is-half-the-battle-and-the-other-halfis-violence-14321109.png

Anti Federalist
01-30-2019, 02:37 PM
You are right. People should not be trusted to make their own decisions. Government should do it for them.

No, they shouldn't.

People are mostly idiots.

That's why you create a liberal Republic.

So that the individual rights of each person, like the right to defend themselves, and the right to not be arbitrarily killed, are protected.

You know: "We hold these truths to be self evident" and all that other dead, white, rayciss, male bullshit.

Jesus bleeding Christ, that's what all this mucking about is for...I know you are not that thick, stop pretending to be an idiot, it does not become you.

TER
01-30-2019, 02:41 PM
www.liveaction.org/news/virginia-democrat-abortion-bill-labor/

Looks like the bill in VA has been indefinitely shelved (if I am reading this update correctly).

If so, praise the Lord!

Anti Federalist
01-30-2019, 02:42 PM
Explains the moral relativity as well, I suppose.

If you did this to a litter of dogs, you'd go to jail.

Hardship makes men.

Prosperity makes monsters.


Ditto.

Open infanticide here we come! Welp, it's actually perfectly understandable. I hear from a certain commentator that it's incomprehensible, impossible to explain this lunacy. But 'snot.

It is vile lunacy. No arguing that.

But explainable, indeed predictable, it very much is.

It's all about r-selection vs. K-selection.

In a glut of resources (the state we find ourselves in), organisms -- probably all organisms, including microbes, everything, but very definitely and extensively documented in mammals -- will start to tend towards a suite of behaviors we may call "r-selection."

* Aversion to competition (want free lunch; everybody gets a ribbon)
* Increased promiscuity (no comment needed)
* Reversal of sex roles (homosexuality (and pedophilia, and bestiality, and objectophilia (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJzV5-njaRc): all coming soon to a street theater near you!) is just a glitch of this that overshoots a bit into behavior that can not produce offspring at all. Whoops! Nature isn't perfect.)
* Disinterest in raising/protecting children

Think about rabbits. How rabbits behave. Unlimited grass. Just eat it. Kind of sums up a lot of human dross you meet/see, eh? Rabbits of Walmart.

And no mother rabbit is going to sacrifice squat -- not a single blade of grass, not a single inconvenient hop -- for her child rabbit.

So the two that are especial relevant here are the first and the last. First: want a free ride; all the pleasure, none of the price. Just ride the carousel. Whee! This sums up perfectly that specimen we call the slut. That's its life, if you call it a life. Then last: disinterest in children. Children are a nuisance. A bother. Mothering instinct is gone. "Let Youtube raise the baby" is not really that different a feel/place than "Let's just toss this one." I can't deal with this right now. And I shouldn't have to. And you can't make me. So, into the garbage heap. Well, suck out the marketable organs, first.

r vs. K really does make a lot of otherwise unexplainable and baffling phenomena in our society become very straightforward and simple.

Leftists are rabbits.

Rabbits don't care about babies.

Letting babies die, or just killing them yourself, either way, has no moral salience to rabbits. None.

So..... now you know. And:

https://pics.me.me/knowing-is-half-the-battle-and-the-other-halfis-violence-14321109.png

H_H
01-30-2019, 02:50 PM
Explains the moral relativity as well, I suppose.

If you did this to a litter of dogs, you'd go to jail.

Hardship makes men.

Prosperity makes monsters.
Consider the virtue of Tolerance.

Tolerance is a very One-way Street.

Virtue and goodness require no tolerance. Behaviors which are pleasant and desirable require no one's tolerance.

What does?

Tolerance is, in fact, the anti-virtue. It enables everything disgusting and undesirable and evil to thrive, while everything good and beautiful and worthwhile is destroyed.

But... tolerance need not be inevitable, nor forever.

And when the Ks wake up to what's going on, well, remember only one of the sides is really comfortable with competition.

It's not the rabbits.

Tick, tock, tick, tock.....


https://www.dhresource.com/webp/m/0x0s/f2-albu-g10-M01-D3-5B-rBVaVlw7Vs6AD2QeAAHfEjRIyMU722.jpg/16x20-inches-diy-paint-by-number-kits-acrylic-oil-painting-on-canvas-for-children-rabbit-on-back-of-wolf-both-looked-into-distan.jpg

Anti Federalist
01-30-2019, 02:59 PM
Nicely put...hadn't ever considered it that way.

But obviously, you are correct.

Tolerance is an "anti- virtue".

Considerate, civil, polite behavior has no need to be "tolerated".

Vice, smut, boorishness, weirdosexualism, idiocy...these have to be "tolerated".

+rep



Consider the virtue of Tolerance.

Tolerance is a very One-way Street.

Virtue and goodness require no tolerance. Behaviors which are pleasant and desirable require no one's tolerance.

What does?

Tolerance is, in fact, the anti-virtue. It enables everything disgusting and undesirable and evil to thrive, while everything good and beautiful and worthwhile is destroyed.

But... tolerance need not be inevitable, nor forever.

And when the Ks wake up to what's going on, well, remember only one of the sides is really comfortable with competition.

It's not the rabbits.

Tick, tock, tick, tock...

Swordsmyth
01-30-2019, 03:06 PM
https://news.gallup.com/poll/243797/six-americans-support-stricter-gun-laws.aspx
Killing babies isn't a right let alone a Constitutionally protected one.

Also polls are always biased to the left so the opposition to totally unrestricted abortion is likely much stronger.

Swordsmyth
01-30-2019, 03:12 PM
www.liveaction.org/news/virginia-democrat-abortion-bill-labor/ (http://www.liveaction.org/news/virginia-democrat-abortion-bill-labor/)

Looks like the bill in VA has been indefinitely shelved (if I am reading this update correctly).

If so, praise the Lord!

Virginia’s Repeal Act will not move forward. Live Action News reached out to Rep. C. Todd Gilbert’s office who said the bill will not leave the subcommittee and no action will be taken on it. The Washington Free Beacon said the Repeal Act “when put to a vote… was defeated (https://freebeacon.com/issues/virginia-dems-attempt-to-pass-bill-allowing-abortions-up-to-40-weeks/)” and The Daily Progress reports that it was killed (https://www.dailyprogress.com/news/virginia_politics/va-republicans-share-video-of-lawmaker-backing-late-term-abortions/article_ca8ddef8-09a6-57c2-b9de-f33acf235c57.html?fbclid=IwAR3wvnUZoMpOqvzi_t9HoFI IiVSecC_w6iyw1o6F9J91p4ZQxc_gnW74Osg). The Washington Times and other sources (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fijr.com%2Fva-del-proposes-bill-mothers-request-abortion-in-labor%2F%3Ffbclid%3DIwAR3-l5Y4jmStBsSFa6EoFu99YXXXSnQ2espe41VM0WeiXRiLgIs-j1mlqSw&h=AT3caU-Haenhw3cFwPrLmxVmOOX6AAjnNRGTL36EeOrYSMvTcUjMKe-azuU6SMcBwwmmnpahVz00c9pnYxVTBaE71CPx2Gplxcz_V8k-qzQf_ta0TOg1xy1LtE1MVtIYa4o) are reporting that the bill has been tabled (https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jan/30/virginias-abortion-bill-makes-mockery-motto-sic-se/?fbclid=IwAR24uZReUuKC0HNDkQYRTMlRukN-F5FTN9KvgiGe72kBMmWpbwwOon6Ri0o) or suspended. Nearly half of the Democratic caucus supported it, despite the fact that it allowed for the abortion of viable babies even if the mother was in active labor.


:up:

Expect it to keep coming back from time to time whenever they think they can sneak it through.

Swordsmyth
01-30-2019, 03:15 PM
You are right. People should not be trusted to make their own decisions. Government should do it for them.
About some things, if other people were allowed to make their own decision about whether you were allowed to live or die how would you like that?

H_H
01-30-2019, 03:23 PM
That's one of the most sickening thing I have heard. And people focus their anger on wanting to punch a smiling kid who was protesting against this.
r vs. K, man. r vs. K. One has moral salience to them. The other doesn't. One is a threat and they smell it. The other, isn't.

Anti Federalist
01-30-2019, 03:34 PM
r vs. K, man. r vs. K. One has moral salience to them. The other doesn't. One is a threat and they smell it. The other, isn't.

Apropos to this conversation.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?523702-Professor-Claims-quot-Civility-quot-Is-A-Euphemism-For-quot-White-Supremacy-quot

navy-vet
01-30-2019, 09:35 PM
At least that keeps the majority from tyrannizing the minority.
yep

TER
01-31-2019, 10:37 PM
Statement from the Assembly of Canoncial Orthodox Bishops

1/31/19

The Assembly of Canonical Orthodox Bishops of the United States of America affirms the sanctity of life based on the firm conviction that life begins at the moment of conception. The Assembly remains steadfast in its conviction that any interference in the development of life is a serious issue, and therefore it regularly participates in a variety of relevant events and also releases pertinent statements on the topic.

While recognizing that there are rare but serious medical instances where mother and child may require extraordinary actions, the Assembly of Bishops is deeply concerned that the taking of innocent life through abortion has become an acceptable cultural norm. This phenomenon – increasingly prevalent throughout contemporary societies – was exacerbated by a recent law of the New York State Senate (Bill S.240). The Assembly of Canonical Orthodox Bishops of the United States of America categorically denounces these adverse developments that allow for abortion, under certain unjustifiable circumstances, even within the third trimester of existence.

The Assembly of Bishops further reminds the faithful that Christ is a beacon of hope in this challenging world. Accordingly, the Church is always prepared and willing to support women who are considering abortion to find alternative avenues to alleviate any burden, physical and spiritual. The Church is ever a mother – loving, understanding, nurturing, praying, and protecting all human life.

Swordsmyth
02-09-2019, 05:24 PM
https://twitter.com/LifeNewsHQ/status/1093572915046412290

1093572915046412290

Swordsmyth
02-09-2019, 05:27 PM
https://twitter.com/LifeNewsHQ/status/1093602964109877248

1093602964109877248

Swordsmyth
02-09-2019, 05:27 PM
https://twitter.com/LifeNewsHQ/status/1093690889883533312

1093690889883533312

aGameOfThrones
02-09-2019, 06:12 PM
https://nypost.com/2019/02/08/accused-murderer-spared-abortion-charge-after-cuomos-new-law/



Accused murderer spared abortion charge thanks to Cuomo’s new law

By Natalie Musumeci and Carl Campanile
Prosecutors initially included a charge of abortion against the Queens man arrested Friday in his pregnant girlfriend’s murder — but rescinded it because of Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s new Reproductive Health Act.

Queens District Attorney Richard Brown sent out a press release saying Anthony Hobson, 48, would be charged with second-degree abortion as well as murder in Sunday’s fatal stabbing of Jennifer Irigoyen, 35.

But a DA spokeswoman later told The Post that the abortion charge “was repealed by the Legislature, and this is the law as it exists today.”

Cuomo signed the RHA into law on Jan. 22, the 46th anniversary of the Roe v. Wade decision.

Swordsmyth
02-09-2019, 08:39 PM
While Americans have rightly mourned the passage (https://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/faith-and-morals/item/31287-nation-s-pro-life-majority-mourns-passage-of-extreme-new-york-abortion-law) of New York’s brutal abortion law allowing for the killing of pre-born babies up to full term, there are actually seven other states that similarly have no “gestational limits” on abortion.
Alaska, Colorado, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, and Vermont — along with Washington, D.C. — all allow women to kill their pre-born babies at any time up to full term. These policies have been on the books in those states for a number of years.
Additionally, reported the Christian Post, “all states that have laws banning late-term abortion still allow exceptions under certain circumstances, as noted by the Guttmacher Institute” — a pro-abortion “research” group launched by Planned Parenthood. Those exceptions include babies who may be born with physical disabilities, along with exemptions for the supposed health of a mother — which has come to include the nebulous term “mental health.”

The Christian Post noted that in spite of the plethora of states that allow unrestricted abortion, “there are only five clinics nationwide that perform late-term abortions.” Additionally, “among the states that have no abortion limits, so far only Colorado and New Mexico have clinics that will perform abortions up to 32 weeks and later on a ‘case by case basis.’”
Clinics in many states allowing late-term abortions set their own limits, with, for instance, one New Jersey clinic performing abortions up to 25 weeks, another in Oregon providing the procedure at 24 weeks, a clinic in New Hampshire performing abortions at up to 17 weeks, and clinics in Alaska and Vermont performing abortions at up to 16 weeks. Additionally, one Washington, D.C. clinic will terminate the lives of pre-born babies at up to 27 weeks.
As for New York, the pro-life group Operation Rescue reported in 2018 that 60 of the state’s abortion clinics only performed the procedure at up to 14 weeks of pregnancy, while 17 clinics performed abortions at up to 23 weeks, and another 10 were willing to perform the procedure through 24 weeks — when virtually all babies can survive outside the womb.


More at: https://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/faith-and-morals/item/31444-in-addition-to-new-york-7-other-states-allow-abortion-up-to-birth

Swordsmyth
02-10-2019, 07:45 PM
44% of pro-choice voters oppose New York’s abortion law happening in their state. (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/abortion/44_of_pro_choice_voters_oppose_ny_abortion_law_in_ their_state)

RonZeplin
02-10-2019, 07:57 PM
NYC accused man accused of stabbing pregnant girlfriend gets a pass on baby’s murder because of new abortion law (https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/nyc-accused-man-accused-of-stabbing-pregnant-girlfriend-gets-a-pass-on-babys-murder-because-of-nys-new-abortion-law)

https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/gov.-cuomo-1024x993.jpg
A very dangerous and slippery slope in New York now thanks to Governor Cuomo.

From NY Post (https://nypost.com/2019/02/09/pro-life-activists-seek-justice-for-murdered-unborn-child-amid-new-abortion-laws/): New York City Catholics and abortion opponents voiced outrage Saturday over the lack of justice for an unborn child who was killed in Queens.

Queens District Attorney Richard Brown recently charged Anthony Hobson with murder for allegedly killing Jennifer Irigoyen on Feb. 3 — but said he couldn’t bring charges over her unborn child’s death due to a recent change in abortion law.

“It’s evil,” said a nurse attending Mass at the Church of St. Agnes in Midtown. “It’s a progressive slippery slope.”
“I’m enraged,” said Rose deMarco, 78, of Greenwich Village. “That was murder. [Hobson] murdered two people and he should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.”

Irigoyen, 35, was five months pregnant when Hobson, 48, allegedly stabbed her multiple times in the abdomen.
He was initially charged with abortion in the second degree, a felony under the state’s previous statues, as well as second-degree murder for Irigoyen’s death.

But the Queens DA’s office withdrew the abortion count when it learned the Reproductive Health Act, signed into law last month, moves abortion from the state’s criminal to public health codes.

That “means it’s open season on pregnant women in New York,” said Dennis Poust of the New York State Catholic Conference.

https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/nyc-accused-man-accused-of-stabbing-pregnant-girlfriend-gets-a-pass-on-babys-murder-because-of-nys-new-abortion-law

Superfluous Man
02-10-2019, 08:01 PM
https://twitter.com/LifeNewsHQ/status/1093572915046412290

1093572915046412290

If pro-abortionists had their way that baby would be dead before he even finishes that pretzel.

Swordsmyth
02-13-2019, 04:44 PM
https://twitter.com/TY007USA/status/1095060333293641729

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euphemia
02-13-2019, 06:09 PM
On May 4, Focus on the Family is planning to show 4-D ultrasounds of babies in Times Square. Should be interesting. Today’s 4-D ultrasounds have the clarity of photographs.

Swordsmyth
02-14-2019, 08:33 PM
Obstetrician and GOP Rep. Roger Marshall of Kansas said on “Fox & Friends” Wednesday that mothers will die as a result of New York state’s late-term abortion law.“Nobody in America thinks that murdering a baby just minutes before delivery is right. That this is the most barbaric law that’s been written in American history,” Marshall said.


“But what no one is talking about is that this is actually very, very dangerous for moms. That moms are going to die from this procedure. So as an obstetrician, I’ve delivered thousands of babies. And if I can make one thing clear, I’ve never done an abortion. But as an obstetrician, I have to take care of all those complications. So the later the … abortion is done the greater risk there is to the mom as well.”
Marshall said late-term abortions (https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/31/democrats-abortion-fox-news/) can cause physical complications (https://dailycaller.com/2019/01/31/barbarism-abortion-michelle-malkin/) that will send women (https://dailycaller.com/2019/02/04/alveda-king-northam-abortion/) to the emergency room.
“The most common complications that I saw as an obstetrician is number one, the uterus was perforated during the procedure. When that uterus gets bigger, it’s much easier to perforate,” he said.

“But the other complication even more common is just hemorrhaging. So, what I would typically see is a woman in the emergency room, in shock, hemorrhaging from this procedure and we would have to rush them to the emergency room. And literally we would be fishing out pieces of the baby that they left behind or pieces of the placenta, so that uterus cannot clamp down afterwards.”

More at: https://truepundit.com/new-york-obstetrician-says-state-abortion-law-will-kill-many-mothers/

bv3
02-14-2019, 10:16 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFjVWYgSFcQ

enhanced_deficit
02-14-2019, 10:35 PM
Polarization regarding NY is getting bit out of hand lately.

NYC lawmaker says city council 'controlled by the homosexual community' (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?531524-NYC-lawmaker-says-city-council-controlled-by-the-homosexual-community&)

enhanced_deficit
02-19-2019, 10:34 PM
https://www.christianpost.com/news/new-york-legislature-passes-bill-allowing-abortions-up-to-birth-for-any-reason.html

PURE EVIL


For any religio-political science experts here, does GOP Christian base views both abortion and homosexuality equally unacceptable or opposition to of of these is greater than the other in the GOP heartlands?



Related

Trump administration launches global effort to end criminalization of homosexuality (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?531716-Trump-administration-launches-global-effort-to-end-criminalization-of-homosexuality&)

TER
02-19-2019, 10:40 PM
For any religio-political science experts here, does GOP Christian base views both abortion and homosexuality equally unacceptable or opposition to of of these is greater than the other in the GOP heartlands?

The two are not even close to comparison. One is cold blooded murder of an innocent soul, the other is sinful passion of the flesh between two consenting adults.

Were you a Christian, you would know if there was a difference.

But instead you are an instigator and liar.

Your a shill. Be gone.

Swordsmyth
02-19-2019, 10:44 PM
The two are not even close to comparison. One is cold blooded murder of an innocent soul, the other is sinful passion of the flesh between two consenting adults.

Where you a Christian, you would know that.

But instead you are an instigator and liar.

Your a shill. Be gone.
I owe you rep.

Swordsmyth
03-08-2019, 09:38 PM
Staying on par with Congressional Democrats, Rhode Island Dem’s are pushing for the legalization of abortion up to 40 weeks and the removal of common sense laws.
Early this week the radical bill (that is similar to the New York abortion bill (https://bigleaguepolitics.com/world-trade-center-lights-up-in-pink-to-celebrate-late-term-abortion-legalization/)) passed the Judiciary Committee in the Rhode Island state House. Live Site News (https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/abortion-till-birth-bill-advances-in-rhode-island) reports, “The House committee voted 9-7 on Tuesday in favor of H-5125A, which faces probable approval by the full House as early as Thursday. It will still have to go to the state Senate, where a companion bill, S.152A, has been prepared.”
The extreme abortion advocate Governor Gina Raimondo has already vowed to sign the 40-week abortion law, stating late-term abortion is a woman’s healthcare choice.

More at: https://bigleaguepolitics.com/rhode-island-moves-one-step-closer-to-expanding-abortion-murder-rights-to-40-weeks/

euphemia
03-30-2019, 08:41 PM
Anyone planning to see Unplanned?

We are going tomorrow.

Warrior_of_Freedom
03-31-2019, 03:22 AM
I always found it ironic there's plenty of infant death cultists that also defend murderers on death row, because the death penalty is "inhumane."

euphemia
03-31-2019, 05:30 AM
One’s view on the value of human life is very telling.

Working Poor
03-31-2019, 06:57 AM
I think men need to take a more active role in the abortion issue. After all women can't become pregnant with out men.
If you are against abortion you need to take responsibility by using protection if you are sexually active. Make sure you talk about the possibility of pregnancy with your partner. If you are against abortion and you do not talk about and take precautions than you are part of the problem.

I also believe that women need to learn how to calculate their ovulation cycle and take extra precautions when they know where they are in their cycle. Nen also need to understand the cycle of women and question them about where they are in their cycle.

If you are planning sex with a woman who does not know their cycle then you and she are complete dumbasses and don't deserve to reap the pleasures of enjoying sex until you do.
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euphemia
03-31-2019, 12:14 PM
Go see the film.

TER
03-31-2019, 12:56 PM
Go see the film.

If I don’t see it in the theaters, I will definitely rent it.

Why is it rated R? Is the movie inappropriate for teenagers?

euphemia
03-31-2019, 02:04 PM
There has been some talk about that. The MPAA rated the film R due to some bloody scenes. First, they showed a computer-generated depiction of an abortion, which is what changed Abby Johnson’s heart about abortion. There were a couple of other scenes that depicted hemorrhaging, something common with both chemical and surgical abortion. They depicted blood going through tubing, something that happens during surgical abortion. They also had a scene in which Johnson was taken to the lab where a technician reassembled the fetuses so they could document that the entire child was removed from the mother.

Frankly, I thought it was an honest portrayal of abortion, which was the point of the film. It really does not get into the politics of abortion.

I have been following this film since it went into production. We have talked about it here. In the interest of full disclosure, a few days ago we discovered a close family friend of ours was on the marketing team for this film. We have no financial stake in the film and did not know our friend was involved until the day before it opened.

Swordsmyth
05-02-2019, 07:02 PM
https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1123730190985768962

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euphemia
05-03-2019, 05:20 AM
At least he’s honest in that it is killing.

Schifference
05-03-2019, 05:36 AM
There are lots of adults that are unloved and or unwanted. Should they be killed now or later?

euphemia
05-03-2019, 06:45 AM
More to the topic: Times Squqre billboard and Jumbotron owners have snubbed Focus on the Family’s plan to show third trimester ultrasounds of life babies. Cowards.