Trump banned from Capitol Building by Speaker Pelosi, No SOTU there

[RonZeplin]

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi Blocks President Trump Entry into Capitol Building – Confirms State of Union Speech Cancellation… (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/01/22/house-speaker-nancy-pelosi-blocks-president-trump-entry-into-capitol-building-confirms-state-of-union-speech-cancellation/)


https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2019/01/nancy-pelosi-gavel-day-1-v2.jpg?w=382&h=341 (https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2019/01/nancy-pelosi-gavel-day-1-v2.jpg)

It looks like Speaker of The House Nancy Pelosi has no intention of allowing the House chamber to be used for a State of the Union address.

Speaker Pelosi has informed the House Sergeant at Arms that no executive branch official will be permitted entry into the Capitol building.

Earlier Fox News reported (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-planning-to-proceed-with-state-of-the-union-but-details-up-in-air-after-pelosi-threat) Pelosi cancelled a walkthrough last week, and a second request for reconsideration from the White House is expected to meet the same fate. The House Speaker controls who is, and who is not, permitted entry to the House floor. Until Speaker Pelosi calls for a vote to support a joint session of congress, the President cannot enter the chamber.

[Brian4Liberty]

Separation of powers...

[acptulsa]

There's a thing at the other end of the building called the Senate Chamber. Pelosi has an excuse for saying, "Fukk the Constitution." She has brain damage. Let's see if McConnell comes up with an excuse.

[RJB]

From following history, Trump has something funny planned. The soap opera continues.

[RJB]

There's a thing at the other end of the building called the Senate Chamber...

Yeah. Like that. Something to grab the headlines for a couple days.

[Stratovarious]

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi Blocks President Trump Entry into Capitol Building – Confirms State of Union Speech Cancellation… (https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/01/22/house-speaker-nancy-pelosi-blocks-president-trump-entry-into-capitol-building-confirms-state-of-union-speech-cancellation/)


https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2019/01/nancy-pelosi-gavel-day-1-v2.jpg?w=382&h=341 (https://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2019/01/nancy-pelosi-gavel-day-1-v2.jpg)

It looks like Speaker of The House Nancy Pelosi has no intention of allowing the House chamber to be used for a State of the Union address.

Speaker Pelosi has informed the House Sergeant at Arms that no executive branch official will be permitted entry into the Capitol building.

Earlier Fox News reported (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-planning-to-proceed-with-state-of-the-union-but-details-up-in-air-after-pelosi-threat) Pelosi cancelled a walkthrough last week, and a second request for reconsideration from the White House is expected to meet the same fate. The House Speaker controls who is, and who is not, permitted entry to the House floor. Until Speaker Pelosi calls for a vote to support a joint session of congress, the President cannot enter the chamber.

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This photo was take right after Pelosi smashed her hand, you can see
that her thumb has been severed, she is
now setting up to do it again.

[acptulsa]

Both bodies meet in the same chamber. I've forgotten which is which. One doesn't have all the security features, and is open to the tourists.

But there is a House chamber and a Senate chamber, and regardless of what features the Senate's auditorium may or may not have, McConnell needs to invite Trump to it.

The SOTU is required by the Constitution, and Pelosi can kiss my ass.

[Swordsmyth]

A2S3:

He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.

[dannno]

From following history, Trump has something funny planned. The soap opera continues.

https://media.giphy.com/media/RHiD0K65NxxLO/giphy.gif

[juleswin]

Trump again offers GOP votes to make Pelosi speaker. This time it doesn’t sound like he’s joking.

President Trump on Saturday re-upped his offer to help Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) become House speaker in the next Congress by rallying Republican members to vote for her; this time it’s not so obvious that he’s joking.

Many had assumed Trump was being sarcastic or trolling the House Democratic leader when he tweeted immediately after Democrats secured a House majority in last week’s midterm elections: “Nancy Pelosi deserves to be chosen Speaker of the House by the Democrats. If they give her a hard time, perhaps we will add some Republican votes.”

[Democratic Rep. Moulton draws fire for campaign to deny Pelosi speaker’s job]

Trump, after all, has vilified Pelosi as much as anyone over the years, warning days before the election that she would abolish borders and impose socialism if her party won and she gained power. Her toxic image on the right side of the political spectrum is part of the reason many Democrats have qualms about making her speaker after the party gained a thin majority in last week’s election.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/11/17/trump-again-offers-gop-votes-make-pelosi-speaker-this-time-it-doesnt-sound-like-hes-joking/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9d72d4c21d8e

This drama between close pals, Trump and Pelosi is faker than the fight between Hulk Hogan and warrior and the annoying part is that the evidence is out there for all to see.

[acptulsa]

As for the Conservative Tree House, somebody needs to inform them Pelosi doesn't own the Capitol and can't ban anyone from it--at least not without McConnell's complicity.


This drama between close pals, Trump and Pelosi is faker than the fight between Hulk Hogan and warrior and the annoying part is that the evident is out there for all to see.

That's true. But if McConnell doesn't throw his dog in the fight, he has no balls.

[euphemia]

Nancy has reached a new low in petty, small-minded behavior.

[juleswin]

Nancy has reached a new low in petty, small-minded behavior.

Come on, this is just a tit for tat between friends. See, he took away her photo op opportunity with the troops in Afghanistan and now she took away his photo op for SOTUA. But don't worry, behind closed door, all is fine :)

[oyarde]

Actually I think Pence can lift the ban.

[Anti Globalist]

From following history, Trump has something funny planned. The soap opera continues.
I wonder when the plot twist will rear its head.

[Swordsmyth]

Actually I think Pence can lift the ban.
Trump himself can.

[Origanalist]

As for the Conservative Tree House, somebody needs to inform them Pelosi doesn't own the Capitol and can't ban anyone from it--at least not without McConnell's complicity.



That's true. But if McConnell doesn't throw his dog in the fight, he has no balls.

I didn't know frogs had balls.

[juleswin]

As for the Conservative Tree House, somebody needs to inform them Pelosi doesn't own the Capitol and can't ban anyone from it--at least not without McConnell's complicity.



That's true. But if McConnell doesn't throw his dog in the fight, he has no balls.

I really don't know what the rules are for controlling the capitol building but the drama is still exciting. Maybe Nancy Pelosi can do it , maybe McConnell can over rule her, who really knows.

[Origanalist]

Come on, this is just a tit for tat between friends. See, he took away his photo op with the troops in Afghanistan and now she took away his photo op for SOTUA. But don't worry, behind closed door, all is fine :)

He probably grabs her by the pussy.

[Cleaner44]

These are good times. What's not to love about the government dysfunction. I think it would be funny if Trump held the SOTU at the DAR Constitution Hall. Really no different than one of his rallies. Invite the Republicans and leave the Democrats out. Who needs to see them on TV sitting on their hands when Trump speaks anyway? The place seats over 3000 people. Plenty of room.

Daughters of the American Revolution!
https://www.dar.org/constitution-hall

[Swordsmyth]

These are good times. What's not to love about the government dysfunction. I think it would be funny if Trump held the SOTU at the DAR Constitution Hall. Really no different than one of his rallies. Invite the Republicans and leave the Democrats out. Who needs to see them on TV sitting on their hands when Trump speaks anyway? The place seats over 3000 people. Plenty of room.

Daughters of the American Revolution!
https://www.dar.org/constitution-hall
He needs to invite the SCOTUS Justices though so that everyone can see RBG is dead.

[acptulsa]

I really don't know what the rules are for controlling the capitol building but the drama is still exciting. Maybe Nancy Pelosi can do it , maybe McConnell can over rule her, who really knows.

You really know.

The Capitol serves two houses and has two chambers. Now then. You tell me. Pelosi has, at most, how much of the total authority over that building?

[Swordsmyth]

You really know.

The Capitol serves two houses and has two chambers. Now then. You tell me. Pelosi has, at most, how much of the total authority over that building?

The executive has authority over all government buildings.

[enhanced_deficit]

This is no way to treat a sitting POTUS. After all the good things he said about her?


Related

Trump: "Nancy Pelosi loves this country" (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?528188-Trump-quot-Nancy-Pelosi-loves-this-country-quot&)

[specsaregood]

He probably grabs her by the pussy.

If he does proceed to have the SOTU there (as is within his powers), I'm going on record now that she will liken it to rape.

[RonZeplin]

These are good times. What's not to love about the government dysfunction. I think it would be funny if Trump held the SOTU at the DAR Constitution Hall. Really no different than one of his rallies. Invite the Republicans and leave the Democrats out. Who needs to see them on TV sitting on their hands when Trump speaks anyway? The place seats over 3000 people. Plenty of room.

Daughters of the American Revolution!
https://www.dar.org/constitution-hall

Congressional keg party at Kavanaugh's place in nearby Maryland, so that Javanka and Mitch McConnell can Boogie till Ya Puke at the SOTU. RBG will love it.


https://youtu.be/roC_JLOcnxE

[Pauls' Revere]

Trump should save the taxpayers money and call congress to sit on the grass in a D.C. Winter while he gives a speech.

[Swordsmyth]

If he does proceed to have the SOTU there (as is within his powers), I'm going on record now that she will liken it to rape.
She will say it is an impeachable offense.

[juleswin]

You really know.

The Capitol serves two houses and has two chambers. Now then. You tell me. Pelosi has, at most, how much of the total authority over that building?

Well in time, we will see. But I wouldn't be surprised if she actually have the authority to do that.

[Swordsmyth]

Well in time, we will see. But I wouldn't be surprised if she actually have the authority to do that.
She can't.

[dannno]

Come on, this is just a tit for tat between friends. See, he took away her photo op opportunity with the troops in Afghanistan and now she took away his photo op for SOTUA. But don't worry, behind closed door, all is fine :)

For why did you reverse the order of events?

[juleswin]

For why did you reverse the order of events?

Dunno, just put the post without really thinking about order. Did I get the order wrong?

[Swordsmyth]

For why did you reverse the order of events?
For the same reason he wants her to have the power to do this.

[juleswin]

For the same reason h wants her to have the power to do this.

What is wrong with the post? can u please tell me what I did wrong

[dannno]

Dunno, just put the post without really thinking about order. Did I get the order wrong?

Pelosi announced she was not going to allow Trump to do the SOTU speech a day or two before the Afghanistan trip thing went down.

It matters because Trump only rolls in the mud with pigs.

[Swordsmyth]

What is wrong with the post? can u please tell me what I did wrong
Putting the events backwards makes Trump the villain and Pelosi the victim.

[juleswin]

Putting the events backwards makes Trump the villain and Pelosi the victim.

I actually did not know this, I thought this news came out today. But thanks for the correction.

[timosman]

I actually did not know this, I thought this news came out today. But thanks for the correction.

I was born yesterday. I really didn't know. :tears:

[Schifference]

Trump should have it at one of his hotels.

[Pauls' Revere]

A2S3:

He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.

The Donald should hold this outside, without chairs in the freezing D.C. winter and remind congress that they could have had this inside a warm building but power drunk Nancy doesn't want that.

[Swordsmyth]

The Donald should hold this outside, without chairs in the freezing D.C. winter and remind congress that they could have had this inside a warm building but power drunk Nancy doesn't want that.
You must spread some reputation around.........................

[Pauls' Revere]

The Donald should hold this outside, without chairs in the freezing D.C. winter and remind congress that they could have had this inside a warm building but power drunk Nancy doesn't want that.


Oh snap! wait! and...RBG might catch pneumonia and ... let fate have its way.

[Pauls' Revere]

realDonaldTrump Hold the SOTU speech outside in the freezing winter weather to save the taxpayers money and teach power drunk Nancy a lesson.

[Swordsmyth]

Oh snap! wait! and...RBG might catch pneumonia and ... let fate have its way.
True, we mustn't give them ANY excuse for RBG not to attend, she is already dead or dying and that is what Pelosi is trying to hide with this nonsense.

Trump needs to hold it some place nice and warm.

[Anti Federalist]

These are good times. What's not to love about the government dysfunction. I think it would be funny if Trump held the SOTU at the DAR Constitution Hall. Really no different than one of his rallies. Invite the Republicans and leave the Democrats out. Who needs to see them on TV sitting on their hands when Trump speaks anyway? The place seats over 3000 people. Plenty of room.

Daughters of the American Revolution!
https://www.dar.org/constitution-hall

That would make the Bolsheviks boil over.

I like this idea.

[PursuePeace]

So when does Pelosi's wall construction around the Capitol building begin?

[timosman]

https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/1088124637844828162

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxnLllPU8AA1xic.jpg

[Superfluous Man]

The SOTU is required by the Constitution, and Pelosi can kiss my ass.

It is only required that the President do it from time to time. There is no stipulation of where, when, or how often.

[phill4paul]

https://twitter.com/PressSec/status/1088124637844828162

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxnLllPU8AA1xic.jpg

He just keeps kicking her in the nuts.

[RJB]

He just keeps kicking her in the nuts.

His professionally written letters have a lot more bite than his snarky tweets.

[acptulsa]

He just keeps kicking her in the nuts.

She has no nuts.

Oh, wait. She is nuts. No wonder kicking her in her nuttiness works so well.

[Zippyjuan]

Prior to 1913 there were only 12 "in person" State of the Union speeches. In the early days, they were submitted in writing. There is no requirement that it be made in person and live. Only that the report is made. https://history.house.gov/Institution/SOTU/State-of-the-Union/


State of the Union Address

Including President Donald J. Trump’s 2018 address, there have been a total of 95 in-person Annual Messages/State of the Union Addresses. Since President Woodrow Wilson’s 1913 address, there have been a total of 83 in-person addresses.

In 1945, President Franklin Roosevelt's address was read to a Joint Session of the House and Senate. Since the President did not deliver the address, it does not count as an in-person address.

Origins and Authorization

The formal basis for the State of the Union Address is from the U.S. Constitution:

The President “shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient.” Article II, Section 3, Clause 1.

The constitutionally mandated presidential address has gone through a few name changes:

It was formally known as the Annual Message from 1790 to 1946.

It began to be informally called the "state of the Union" message/address from 1942 to 1946.

Since 1947 it has officially been known as the State of the Union Address.

Earlier Annual Messages of the President included agency budget requests and general reports on the health of the economy. During the 20th century, Congress required more-specialized reports on these two aspects, separate from the Annual Message.

Budget Message, required by the National Budget and Accounting Act of 1921 (42 Stat. 20) to be delivered to Congress no more than two weeks after Congress convenes in January.

Economic Report, required by the Employment Act of 1946 (60 Stat. 23), with a flexible delivery date.

Over time, as the message content changed, the focus of the State of the Union also changed:

In the 19th century, the annual message was both a lengthy administrative report on the various departments of the executive branch and a budget and economic message.

After 1913, when Woodrow Wilson revived the practice of presenting the message to Congress in person, it became a platform for the President to rally support for his agenda.

Technological changes—radio, television, and the Internet—further developed the State of the Union into a forum for the President to speak directly to the American people.

Technological Change

First radio broadcast of Message: President Calvin Coolidge, 1923.
First television broadcast of Message: President Harry Truman, 1947.
First televised evening delivery of Message: President Lyndon Johnson, 1965.
First live webcast on Internet: President George W. Bush, 2002.
First high definition television broadcast of Message, President George W. Bush, 2004.

Record Holders

The longest: President James Earl (Jimmy) Carter 33,667 words in 1981 (written). President William J. (Bill) Clinton 9,190 words in 1995 (spoken).1
The shortest: President George Washington, 1790, 1,089 words.2
Average length: 19th century was about 10,000 words; late 20th century, about 5,000 words.
Most Messages/Addresses given: President Franklin Roosevelt, 12 (10 were personal appearances before Congress).
Fewest Messages/Addresses given: President Zachary Taylor, 1; President William Henry Harrison, 0; President James A. Garfield, 0.

[Swordsmyth]

It is only required that the President do it from time to time. There is no stipulation of where, when, or how often.

But he has the power to convene Congress.

[Zippyjuan]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-tells-pelosi-he-ll-be-coming-deliver-state-union-n961781?icid=recommended


As a practical matter, the speaker of the House has control over the chamber, including when it is open and when the president can speak there.

For Trump to speak there, the House and Senate have to pass a joint resolution providing for the use of the floor for that purpose.

He could also deliver it from the White House but would miss out Republicans cheering during the speech.

[shakey1]

He just keeps kicking her in the nuts.

https://media.giphy.com/media/Bi6FcO7UoutWM/giphy-downsized-large.gif

[RonZeplin]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-tells-pelosi-he-ll-be-coming-deliver-state-union-n961781?icid=recommended



He could also deliver it from the White House but would miss out Republicans cheering during the speech.

And Speaker Pelosi yelling YOU LIE through a bullhorn.

[enhanced_deficit]

Media is suddenly pushing news suggesting shutdown may end before SOTU, have not confirmed as non-fakenews:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?530182-Kushner-reaches-out-to-Congress-on-shutdown-DACA-for-the-wall-deal-gains-steam&p=6739763&viewfull=1#post6739763

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-tony-schwartz-art-of-the-deal-shutdown_us_5c484372e4b025aa26be7e3c

[acptulsa]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-tells-pelosi-he-ll-be-coming-deliver-state-union-n961781?icid=recommended


For Trump to speak there, the House and Senate have to pass a joint resolution providing for the use of the floor for that purpose.

One minute you're debunking the myth that the tradition of a live speech is a mandatory annual event. The next minute you're repeating MSM propaganda predicated on the myth that the SOTU can only be delivered to a joint session of Congress.

The Senate doesn't require the House's permission to use their own chamber for anything, nor to listen to anybody.

[Zippyjuan]

One minute you're debunking the myth that the tradition of a live speech is a mandatory annual event. The next minute you're repeating MSM propaganda predicated on the myth that the SOTU can only be delivered to a joint session of Congress.

The Senate doesn't require the House's permission to use their own chamber for anything, nor to listen to anybody.

My second post says that if he wants to do it before a joint session, it requires authorization. No conflict. It does not say he has to do it there. You are right, the Senate could decide to host it. He could hold a public rally someplace too if he wants. The fight over the speech is silly but there is a power struggle going on between Trump and the Democrat controlled House. That is what the whole thing is all about (including the shutdown- it isn't really about border security or the wall).

[Schifference]

My second post says that if he wants to do it before a joint session, it requires authorization. No conflict. It does not say he has to do it there. Sure, the Senate could decide to host it. He could hold a public rally someplace too if he wants. The fight over the speech is silly but there is a power struggle going on between Trump and the Democrat controlled House. That is what the whole thing is all about (including the shutdown- it isn't really about border security or the wall).

Can he convene congress? If so then the point is not whether Trump can go to congress but rather can the Senate attend.

[juleswin]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-tells-pelosi-he-ll-be-coming-deliver-state-union-n961781?icid=recommended



He could also deliver it from the White House but would miss out Republicans cheering during the speech.

I said I wouldn't be surprised if she had the power to do whats shes doing. This is me not being surprised.

[Zippyjuan]

Can he convene congress? If so then the point is not whether Trump can go to congress but rather can the Senate attend.

He can convene Congress which can force them to meet but they don't have to let him in to that meeting. The last time it was called for was in 1948 under Truman. Congress is technically already "in session" already so he really can't order them into session when they already are.

https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/can-the-house-delay-the-state-of-the-union-address


In our Interactive Constitution, scholars William P. Marshall and Saikrishna B. Prakash agreed that “the President must provide information on the ‘State of the Union’ from ‘time to time.’ This seems to require the President to share information with Congress.”

It is commonly understood that the later part of the passage, about the President’s ability to convene Congress on “extraordinary occasions,” is usually related to the presidential power to bring Congress back in session during a recess or adjournment. The Justice Department website includes an opinion from Assistant Attorney General George T. Washington from 1947 about President Harry Truman’s requests for Congress to deal with domestic legislation during an adjournment, after Senator Robert Taft apparently contested the constitutionality of Truman’s requests. “The President has the power, under Article II, Section 3 of the Constitution, to call a special session of the Congress during the current adjournment,” Washington concluded. The last such session was on July 26, 1948 after Truman issued a presidential proclamation convening Congress.

While it is unclear if President Trump could compel Congress to convene a joint meeting to hear his State of the Union speech during a congressional session, President Ronald Reagan did delay his 1986 State of the Union speech, which was scheduled on the same day as the Challenger disaster.

[Schifference]

He can convene Congress which can force them to meet but they don't have to let him in to that meeting. The last time it was called for was in 1948 under Truman. Congress is technically already "in session" already so he really can't order them into session when they already are.

https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/can-the-house-delay-the-state-of-the-union-address

Interesting. They get paid salary yes? Trump should convene the congress when they are not in session and hold a meeting in the senate when they are already there.

[Zippyjuan]

Interesting. They get paid salary yes? Trump should convene the congress when they are not in session and hold a meeting in the senate when they are already there.

Summer break is scheduled to start in July.

[Swordsmyth]

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-tells-pelosi-he-ll-be-coming-deliver-state-union-n961781?icid=recommended



He could also deliver it from the White House but would miss out Republicans cheering during the speech.
Where is that written in the Constitution?

The President has the power to convene both houses of Congress.

[Zippyjuan]

Where is that written in the Constitution?

The President has the power to convene both houses of Congress.

The Constitution doesn't say the president has to make his presentation in person- only that he makes a report "from time to time". It only became a tradition to do it in front of Congress in the 20th Century (after 1913). Most were written before then.

[spudea]

Pelosi's latest response reveals it is entirely political/personal, stating he is not invited because of the government shutdown. She lied about security concerns in her prior response. She just doesn't want to give him a platform to speak to the nation during the shutdown.

[specsaregood]

Pelosi's latest response reveals it is entirely political/personal, stating he is not invited because of the government shutdown. She lied about security concerns in her prior response. She just doesn't want to give him a platform to speak to the nation during the shutdown.

lol, I'd like to see her keep him out. she gonna chain herself to the doors?

[Swordsmyth]

The Constitution doesn't say the president has to make his presentation in person- only that he makes a report "from time to time". It only became a tradition to do it in front of Congress in the 20th Century (after 1913). Most were written before then.
You are evading the question.
It doesn't require a joint resolution for him to enter the Capitol Building or to give the SOTU address, the most she can do is MAYBE keep him off the House floor, he can give it from the Senate if necessary.

[acptulsa]

Where is that written in the Constitution?

It isn't. Where is it written in the Constitution that he can't?


The President has the power to convene both houses of Congress.

But he has no power to compel them to allow any particular person to stand behind their podiums.

Why are you working so hard at making Zippy's silly statements look reasonable?

[Swordsmyth]

It isn't. Where is it written in the Constitution that he can't?
:confused:
I'm talking about the claim in zippy's post that a joint resolution is required for him to give the SOTU address, that isn't anywhere in the Constitution.




But he has no power to compel them to allow any particular person to stand behind their podiums.
Perhaps but the Senate will be happy to let him use theirs.


Why are you working so hard at making Zippy's silly statements look reasonable?
:confused:

[Zippyjuan]

Pelosi's latest response reveals it is entirely political/personal, stating he is not invited because of the government shutdown. She lied about security concerns in her prior response. She just doesn't want to give him a platform to speak to the nation during the shutdown.

Pretty much.

[Zippyjuan]

You are evading the question.
It doesn't require a joint resolution for him to enter the Capitol Building or to give the SOTU address, the most she can do is MAYBE keep him off the House floor, he can give it from the Senate if necessary.

I already said all that. He does need an invite (according to House and Senate rules) to speak in the before a joint session though.

[Swordsmyth]

I already said all that. He does need an invite (according to House and Senate rules) to speak in the before a joint session though.
All he needs (maybe) is permission to come to one House or the other and speak, the he can invite everyone to come and hear him.

Since he has the power to convene both Houses he should be able to compel their appearance whenever and wherever he wants to give the speech.

[Schifference]

Trump should do invitation only with no media. Have every person sign non disclosure prior to entering. Put out a good spread. Have a party. Left would go nuts.

[acptulsa]

Since he has the power to convene both Houses he should be able to compel their appearance whenever and wherever he wants to give the speech.

What is a 'session of Congress'? When the framers of that document wrote that phrase, did they consider a situation where all House and Senate members happened to go to the same concert to be a 'session of Congress'?

[Swordsmyth]

What is a 'session of Congress'? When the framers of that document wrote that phrase, did they consider a situation where all House and Senate members happened to go to the same concert to be a 'session of Congress'?
What is the meaning of "is"?

Since the SOTU is in the Constitution it can hardly be compared to a concert.

[acptulsa]

What is the meaning of "is"?

Since the SOTU is in the Constitution it can hardly be compared to a concert.

What is a session of Congress?

We're talking about the Constitution. Is it a "living" thing? If you redefine the terms in it at will, then what stops progs from doing the same?

What is a session of Congress?

As I said, and you parroted, McConnell can invite him to speak in the Senate chamber, and if he has a lick of sense, he will. This isn't worth perverting the Constitution over.

[EBounding]

So how does this work? Does Nancy just lock the doors? Does she have the only key? Will there be House security preventing Trump from coming in? If so, will they go to battle with the president's security?

This sounds like a wrestling plot.

[Swordsmyth]

What is a session of Congress?

We're talking about the Constitution. Is it a " living" thing? If you redefine the terms in it at will, then what stops progs from doing the same?

What is a session of Congress?

As I said, and you parroted, McConnell can invite him to speak in the Senate chamber, and if he has a lick of sense, he will. This isn't worth perverting the Constitution over.
A session of Congress is when Congress meets to perform official functions, receiving the Constitutionally mandated SOTU report is an official function.

[Zippyjuan]

A session of Congress is when Congress meets to perform official functions, receiving the Constitutionally mandated SOTU report is an official function.

For more than 100 years, it was not done in front of both houses of Congress.

[Swordsmyth]

So how does this work? Does Nancy just lock the doors? Does she have the only key? Will there be House security preventing Trump from coming in? If so, will they go to battle with the president's security?

This sounds like a wrestling plot.
She is trying to bluff but the President will win any actual confrontation, at the beginning of the Republic it wouldn't be as sure but the President has been elevated to near royal status for many generations now and there is no way that anyone would dare to physically prevent him from entering the Capitol building or the House chamber, he won't schedule it during a time the House is conducting other business so the best Pelosi could do would be to boycott the speech and order the other Demoncrat House members to do the same but everyone else would turn up and she would just look stupid.

If Trump has the guts to see this game of chicken through to the end he can't lose, he is driving a tank and she is riding a bicycle.

[Swordsmyth]

For more than 100 years, it was not done in front of both houses of Congress.
So?

It is still an official function, the Constitution doesn't state how the report is to be delivered so he is free to choose the method.

[acptulsa]

Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings...

What gives the president the ability to compel Congress to spend the session he called listening to him? I missed that part.

Your point, if you have one, can be made without trying to appoint Trump to the position of God Emperor.

[Zippyjuan]

So?

It is still an official function, the Constitution doesn't state how the report is to be delivered so he is free to choose the method.

Exactly. Congress not inviting him to do it in person has no impact on his ability to make a State of The Union address. It is just an ego battle with Pelosi and Trump.

[Swordsmyth]

Exactly. Congress not inviting him to do it in person has no impact on his ability to make a State of The Union address. It is just an ego battle with Pelosi and Trump.
And he is free to choose to deliver it in person.

[Swordsmyth]

What gives the president the ability to compel Congress to spend the session he called listening to him? I missed that part.

Your point, if you have one, can be made without trying to appoint Trump to the position of God Emperor.
If they don't like it they can not attend, the Republicans and everyone else will attend and Pelosi and anyone who obeys her will look like fools.

I'm not appointing Trump GEOTUS, that isn't required, but our culture has put the President on that kind of pedestal for generations already so Pelosi just doesn't have a chance.

[acptulsa]

And he is free to choose to deliver it in person.

But he is not free to requisition by force any venue of his choosing for it, nor to arrest anyone who he thinks should be there but does not go.

And no libertarian, and no "conservatarian", would ever want him to have those powers.


I'm not appointing Trump GEOTUS...

That probably isn't your intent. But strange things happen when partisans get carried away. Like "conservatives" screaming for boondoggles, and "liberals" screaming for war.

[Swordsmyth]

But he is not free to requisition by force any venue of his choosing for it, nor to arrest anyone who he thinks should be there but does not go.

And no libertarian, and no "conservatarian", would ever want him to have those powers.
I didn't know that Pelosi owned the Capitol building, do you have a picture of her title or lease?

The Capitol building is government property and the executive branch has control of government property.

[acptulsa]

I didn't know that Pelosi owned the Capitol building, do you have a picture of her title or lease?

This from the person who has been using my refutation of the MSM tripe on this subject.

As to a session of the House in the House chamber, I already showed it to you. Your partisan eyes just can't see it.

You'd have been able to make it out three years ago.


Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings...

[timosman]

https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/status/1088168895117176832

1088168895117176832

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dxnz1xXXcAE2Hfd.jpg

[Swordsmyth]

I already showed it to you. Your partisan eyes just can't see it.

You'd have been able to make it out three years ago.
That says they can decide how to conduct their meetings, it doesn't give them control of the building when they aren't using it.

[Swordsmyth]

https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/status/1088168895117176832

1088168895117176832

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dxnz1xXXcAE2Hfd.jpg

I can't wait to see what happens when Trump shows up and starts to give his speech.

[acptulsa]

That says they can decide how to conduct their meetings, it doesn't give them control of the building when they aren't using it.

I'm not so sure about that, but I don't think it's important enough to look up. Just so long as you're retracting your silly suggestion that Trump call Congress into session and force his way to the podium during that session, then I've done my part to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution.


I can't wait to see what happens when Trump shows up and starts to give his speech.

Oh. So you do want to throw the Constitution out the window and appoint Trump God Emperor, and were lying when you said you didn't.

Thank the real God you don't have the power to do it.

[Swordsmyth]

I'm not so sure about that, but I don't think it's important enough to look up. Just so long as you're retracting your silly suggestion that Trump call Congress into session and force his way to the podium during that session, then I've done my part to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution.
LOL

He will call them into session from the podium after taking his place on it in preparation for fulfilling his Constitutional mandate.




Oh. So you do want to throw the Constitution out the window and appoint Trump God Emperor, and were lying when you said you didn't.

Thank the real God you don't have the power to do it.
:rolleyes:

There is nothing unconstitutional about him showing up at the Capitol building and calling on Congress to receive the SOTU.

[acptulsa]

Your spin would be more effective if you didn't interrupt your attempt to spin yourself to double down on your original position.

[euphemia]

He doesn’t have to go to the capitol to give the report. He can give a speech anywhere he likes and send his report in writing. Whenever he likes. The January date is merely tradition.

[Superfluous Man]

There is nothing unconstitutional about him showing up at the Capitol building and calling on Congress to receive the SOTU.

Kind of like when Michael Scott declared bankruptcy?

[Swordsmyth]

Kind of like when Michael Scott declared bankruptcy?
Enlighten me.

I have no idea who that is.

[Superfluous Man]

Enlighten me.

I have no idea who that is.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuZeff2y32M

I imagine Trump's constitutional authority to call on anyone to receive his SOTU is similarly efficacious.

[Swordsmyth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuZeff2y32M

I imagine Trump's constitutional authority to call on anyone to receive his SOTU is similarly efficacious.

That's more like Nancy trying to stop him.

[Superfluous Man]

That's more like Nancy trying to stop him.

Don't get me wrong. I don't see Nancy winning this. But I think that stretching the Constitutional mandate for a SOTU into something where the president can compel anyone to attend and listen to him against their will is ridiculous.

[Swordsmyth]

Don't get me wrong. I don't see Nancy winning this. But I think that stretching the Constitutional mandate for a SOTU into something where the president can compel anyone to attend and listen to him against their will is ridiculous.
They won't be compelled, they will just look like the fools they are if they don't come.

[Superfluous Man]

They won't be compelled, they will just look like the fools they are if they don't come.

To some.

Personally, I think the SOTU is a waste of time, and I wouldn't fault anyone for skipping it.

But it's not just that they won't be compelled, but also that Trump has no constitutional authority to compel them to even if he wanted to. That's kind of what was being debated.

[Swordsmyth]

To some.

Personally, I think the SOTU is a waste of time, and I wouldn't fault anyone for skipping it.

But it's not just that they won't be compelled, but also that Trump has no constitutional authority to compel them to even if he wanted to. That's kind of what was being debated.
Compelling individuals to attend was never under discussion as far as I know, what is under discussion is whether he can hold the SOTU speech at the Capitol and call on Congress to attend.
He can and all of the Republicans will attend and the SCOTUS Justices will attend (except RBG if she is dead or dying) and it is likely that many Demoncrats will defy Nancy and attend.

[Schifference]

Compelling individuals to attend was never under discussion as far as I know, what is under discussion is whether he can hold the SOTU speech at the Capitol and call on Congress to attend.
He can and all of the Republicans will attend and the SCOTUS Justices will attend (except RBG if she is dead or dying) and it is likely that many Demoncrats will defy Nancy and attend.

Let's for a moment say this happens. Who would represent the democrats after the SOTU address? Would people that didn't attend be the go to for commentary?

[Swordsmyth]

Let's for a moment say this happens. Who would represent the democrats after the SOTU address? Would people that didn't attend be the go to for commentary?
I'm sure the media will all go to Nancy for the rebuttal and she will probably claim that holding the SOTU is an impeachable offense.

[Superfluous Man]

Compelling individuals to attend was never under discussion as far as I know, what is under discussion is whether he can hold the SOTU speech at the Capitol and call on Congress to attend.


I honestly don't know if he can requisition the Capitol building for it without Congress's agreement to that. But as for "calling on them" to attend, sure, of course he could do that anyway, without needing any constitutional authority to do so, just as anyone can call on anyone else to do anything at all. As long as we're not talking about anything that carries any kind of authority to compel them with it.

[Swordsmyth]

I honestly don't know if he can requisition the Capitol building for it without Congress's agreement to that. But as for "calling on them" to attend, sure, of course he could do that anyway, without needing any constitutional authority to do so, just as anyone can call on anyone else to do anything at all. As long as we're not talking about anything that carries any kind of authority to compel them with it.
I think the executive branch has a better claim to own and control of the building (at least when the Congress isn't using it) than the legislative branch.
The President might face a "what if they threw a party and nobody came" problem in theory but it would never actually play out that way in practice.

[Zippyjuan]

Compelling individuals to attend was never under discussion as far as I know, what is under discussion is whether he can hold the SOTU speech at the Capitol and call on Congress to attend.
He can and all of the Republicans will attend and the SCOTUS Justices will attend (except RBG if she is dead or dying) and it is likely that many Demoncrats will defy Nancy and attend.

Really?


All he needs (maybe) is permission to come to one House or the other and speak, the he can invite everyone to come and hear him.

Since he has the power to convene both Houses he should be able to compel their appearance whenever and wherever he wants to give the speech.

[Swordsmyth]

Really?
Is that about individuals? or the Houses of Congress?


http://www.ronpaulforums.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by Swordsmyth http://www.ronpaulforums.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=6739859#post6739859)

All he needs (maybe) is permission to come to one House or the other and speak, the he can invite everyone to come and hear him.

Since he has the power to convene both Houses he should be able to compel their appearance whenever and wherever he wants to give the speech.




Are all individuals compelled to be present every time Congress convenes?

[acptulsa]

Is that about individuals? or the Houses of Congress?



Are all individuals compelled to be present every time Congress convenes?

LOL

No wonder they call it spin.

https://i.giphy.com/media/YcFOfbeTcHtVS/giphy.webp

[Swordsmyth]

LOL

No wonder they call it spin.

https://i.giphy.com/media/YcFOfbeTcHtVS/giphy.webp
:rolleyes:
You don't understand the difference between groups and individuals?

The Republicans will show up anywhere he tells them and so will many of the Demoncrats, therefore the Houses of Congress will be convened but nobody will start a manhunt and drag Nancy or any of the other far left lunatics there at gun point.

[nobody's_hero]

But he is not free to requisition by force any venue of his choosing for it, nor to arrest anyone who he thinks should be there but does not go.

And no libertarian, and no "conservatarian", would ever want him to have those powers..

What? Whoa. Where the f'k are you going with this? I seriously doubt democrats are going to be arrested for not attending. I recall some refused to attend the SOTU in 2017 and nothing came of it.

You're trying really hard to make it not seem like Nancy is being really desperate here. She doesn't have the sole power to commandeer the Capitol building, and she's acting like a clown. The SCOTUS is probably gonna intervene if she doesn't relent, and Nancy doesn't have the support there for a favorable decision.

She's got nothing, but her beady bug eyes and the gavel that makes her think she's a god.

[TheCount]

I can't wait to see what happens when Trump shows up and starts to give his speech.

They won't be compelled, they will just look like the fools they are if they don't come.
Womp womp

[acptulsa]

You're trying really hard to make it not seem like Nancy is being

No, I'm not. I'm reacting to this suggestion to violate the Constitution's separation of powers:


Since he has the power to convene both Houses he should be able to compel their appearance whenever and wherever he wants to give the speech.

[Swordsmyth]

No, I'm not. I'm reacting to this suggestion to violate the Constitution's separation of powers:
It does no such thing.

[enhanced_deficit]

Trump attacks 'Pelosi is Boss' narrative being pushed in media

Trump wanted SOTU speech on time, on schedule, and very importantly, on location! (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?530379-Gov-Shut-Pelosi-asks-Trump-to-reschedule-SOTU-speech-or-deliver-it-in-writing&p=6740091&viewfull=1#post6740091)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToRc2SPl3aA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToRc2SPl3aA

[timosman]

Trump folds:

1088288311922307072

1088289916826648577

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1088289916826648577

[Swordsmyth]

Trump folds:

1088288311922307072

1088289916826648577

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1088289916826648577
I'm sure he has a reason, delaying the SOTU is no big deal.

I look forward to his revenge.

[Swordsmyth]

Trump folds:

1088288311922307072

1088289916826648577

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1088289916826648577
It is too bad that RBG won't be forced to show up or be admitted to be dead but I'm sure that can be handled another way.

[r3volution 3.0]

Leaked script:

https://media.giphy.com/media/cMso9wDwqSy3e/giphy.gif

[kahless]

Trump folds:

1088288311922307072

1088289916826648577

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1088289916826648577

As usual. He is rolling over more and more with each passing day. Pathetic.

He could have showed some semblance of a backbone by simply giving the address from the Senate, the White House or some other venue.

Trump has effectively seceded all power to the Democrats with Nancy Pelosi running the country.

[UWDude]

As usual. He is rolling over more and more with each passing day. Pathetic.

He could have showed some semblance of a backbone by simply giving the address from the Senate, the White House or some other venue.

Trump has effectively seceded all power to the Democrats with Nancy Pelosi running the country.

He didn't fold!

LoL

This is a win.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

OMG, Once you see his madness.
It's already election season guys.

XD

aand as each day nears the election, that air gets a little more precious. Oh yes, yes.

figure it out yet!?

I bet he had John Miller give Nancy the idea.

XD XD XD XD

"great" idea, she said......

[Swordsmyth]

As usual. He is rolling over more and more with each passing day. Pathetic.

He could have showed some semblance of a backbone by simply giving the address from the Senate, the White House or some other venue.

Trump has effectively seceded all power to the Democrats with Nancy Pelosi running the country.
The shutdown continues, that is what is important.

[UWDude]

And the optics of this, to the American public.. Oh wow...


..its not going to be what you think, guys.

XD XD XD

There are people stressing about their paychecks right now, and this is going to make Nancy look petty. They are all paying attention to what she does. Their livelihoods literally depend on it. They don't even get what the fight is about, really, most of them. In time, they are really going to want the wall... because Nancy is willing to sacrifice all 800,000 of them to make sure trump doesn't get that wall. She is literally doing his dirty work for him. He has turned her soul around in hatred, she sees red and chases now, no matter how stupid.

Trump is basically showboating now. He is basically already standing on the ropes, winding up the crowd, getting ready for the knockout punch, and the Democrats think he is playing checkers.

XD XD XD

[UWDude]

As usual. He is rolling over more and more with each passing day. Pathetic.

He could have showed some semblance of a backbone by simply giving the address from the Senate, the White House or some other venue.

Trump has effectively seceded all power to the Democrats with Nancy Pelosi running the country.

LoL


you are saying this all over a speech.

XD

[Swordsmyth]

And the optics of this, to the American public.. Oh wow...


..its not going to be what you think, guys.

XD XD XD

There are people stressing about their paychecks right now, and this is going to make Nancy look petty. They are all paying attention to what she does. Their livelihoods literally depend on it. They don't even get what the fight is about, really, most of them. In time, they are really going to want the wall... because Nancy is willing to sacrifice all 800,000 of them to make sure trump doesn't get that wall. She is literally doing his dirty work for him. He has turned her soul around in hatred, she sees red and chases now, no matter how stupid.

Trump is basically showboating now. He is basically already standing on the ropes, winding up the crowd, getting ready for the knockout punch, and the Democrats think he is playing checkers.

XD XD XD
They lost the shutdown when Cher went off the reservation but by then they had already painted themselves into the corner.

[devil21]

So hey, when the Constitution requires a SOTU and there is none, that's kinda like...idk...important. Means something like the government just broke. That's bad.

[Swordsmyth]

So hey, when the Constitution requires a SOTU and there is none, that's kinda like...idk...important. Means something like the government just broke. That's bad.
Does it say when it has to be? NO

[DamianTV]

Does it say when it has to be? NO

Does it say WHERE either? I know its been a tradition to do in the Capital Building, but why not just do it from the Oval Office, and Pelosi can go fuck herself?

[TheCount]

Womp womp

[acptulsa]

As usual. He is rolling over more and more with each passing day. Pathetic.

He could have showed some semblance of a backbone by simply giving the address from the Senate, the White House or some other venue.

Trump has effectively seceded all power to the Democrats with Nancy Pelosi running the country.


He didn't fold!

LoL

This is a win.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

OMG, Once you see his madness.
It's already election season guys.

XD

aand as each day nears the election, that air gets a little more precious. Oh yes, yes.

figure it out yet!?

I bet he had John Miller give Nancy the idea.

XD XD XD XD

"great" idea, she said......

Manic depressive shilling, now.

Innovative.

[Superfluous Man]

As usual. He is rolling over more and more with each passing day. Pathetic.

He could have showed some semblance of a backbone by simply giving the address from the Senate, the White House or some other venue.

Trump has effectively seceded all power to the Democrats with Nancy Pelosi running the country.

Seems like you're putting symbolism before substance.

Why should anyone care when he gives the SOTU, or if he just skipped it entirely?

The whole thing is a meaningless show of pure propaganda.

[acptulsa]

The whole thing is a meaningless show of pure propaganda.

It's not even that, really. The only propaganda value it has is as a distraction. From what are they trying to distract us?


Why should anyone care when he gives the SOTU, or if he just skipped it entirely?

They only care because they feel sure Trump cares. And they're probably right; the thing is normally carried by multiple networks, and he is an attention whore.


Seems like you're putting symbolism before substance.

Naturally. What Trump fanboi doesn't?

[kahless]

Seems like you're putting symbolism before substance.

Why should anyone care when he gives the SOTU, or if he just skipped it entirely?

The whole thing is a meaningless show of pure propaganda.

Because it symbolizes the way Trump has historically handled his opposition. Just another concession to them. They are leading while he follows.

[UWDude]

Manic depressive shilling, now.

Innovative.

AS I explained elsewhere, he wants to move the SOTU back, because that puts it closer to elections. The airtime of today is not as valuable as the airtime 2 months from now.

Also, as I have explained, he will get his wall. And the longer the shutdown goes on, he'll get more. Nancy is punching herself in the face thinking it is pissing DJT off. It's hilarious.

I know I am right, by the way. I'll leave it to the losers of this board to be wrong again.


They only care because they feel sure Trump cares. And they're probably right; the thing is normally carried by multiple networks, and he is an attention whore.

Yup, he is stupid and an attention whore. And he is just fine with letting his stupid, attention whore enemies think that.

[enhanced_deficit]

Does it say when it has to be? NO


Trump wanted SOTU speech on time, on schedule, and very importantly, on location!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToRc2SPl3aA




The shutdown continues, that is what is important.

Based on your grasp of MAGA's Will Power, how long you think he will stand firm on his Wall money demand and keep gov shut?

[Swordsmyth]

Trump wanted SOTU speech on time, on schedule, and very importantly, on location!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToRc2SPl3aA





Based on your grasp of MAGA's Will Power, how long you think he will stand firm on his Wall money demand and keep gov shut?

Trump is not always obvious about what his desired outcome is but I see no end in sight to the shutdown, the shutdown will end when he wants it to and not before, thanks to Pelosi it will not end with a compromise either, it will end either with an emergency declaration or the election of a Republican House majority in 2020.

[Schifference]

Shouldn't people have savings to cover for unexpected loss of pay? These people are guaranteed to be paid. This is nothing like people that work for a company that goes under and leaves employees with nothing. Free meals, food, so many benefits being offered to people that have a paycheck or two delayed.

Congress needs to address pay again. They need to pick a date and after that date there will be no future pay. After that date people are encouraged to find work elsewhere. Then they authorize the back pay bill and fund it. Pay all these people for what they are owed and send them on their way. Good bye, Thank you for your service. Best of luck to you. If anything opens up in the future feel free to apply.

[timosman]

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2019/01/25/breaking-state-of-the-union-is-back-on-n2540276


Jan 25, 2019

Speaking to reporters on Capitol Hill Friday afternoon, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said the original date for President Trump's State of the Union Address, January 29, is still off the table.

Pelosi said she will speak with President Trump once the government is open and negotiate with him over a "mutually agreed upon" date for him to come to the House Chamber.

Earlier this week, Pelosi officially uninvited President Trump to give the speech.

"I am writing to inform you the House of Representatives will not consider a concurrent resolution authorizing the President's State of the Union address in the House Chamber until government has opened," Pelosi wrote. "I look forward to welcoming you to the House on a mutually agreeable date for this address when government has opened."

It is unclear whether that "mutually agreed upon" date will be before February 15, when a three week continuing resolution expires.

Shortly before Pelosi's remarks, President Trump announced a deal to reopen the government from the Rose Garden that does not include funding for a border wall. He said if Republicans and Democrats can't come to an agreement on border security, which includes a barrier, the government will shutdown again and he will declare a national emergency.

"If we make a fair deal the American people will be proud of their government," Trump said. "If we don't get a fair deal from Congress the government will shut down again or I will use the powers afforded to me under the laws and afforded to me under the Constitution of the United States to address this emergency."

[Swordsmyth]

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2019/01/25/breaking-state-of-the-union-is-back-on-n2540276
Ginsburg is dead.

[timosman]

Ginsburg is dead.

So is the country, which is probably worse. :cool:

[Swordsmyth]

So is the country, which is probably worse. :cool:
The country (or parts of it) can be resurrected, the left won't get to replace Ginsburg.

[timosman]

The country (or parts of it) can be resurrected, the left won't get to replace Ginsburg.

As if it mattered. The FBI is running amok and doesn't give a fuck about any laws. :D

[Swordsmyth]

As if it mattered. The FBI is running amok and doesn't give a $#@! about any laws. :D
Any actions against the FBI will end up in front of SCOTUS, it is my hope that replacing Ginsburg is what Trump is waiting for because Roberts can't be trusted.

[timosman]

Any actions against the FBI will end up in front of SCOTUS, it is my hope that replacing Ginsburg is what Trump is waiting for because Roberts can't be trusted.

Can Mitch be trusted? :tears:

[Swordsmyth]

Can Mitch be trusted? :tears:
We shall see.

All I can do about it is hope.

If Trump fails then only bloodshed can save us.

[timosman]

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1088903439994613760

1088903439994613760

[TheCount]

The shutdown continues, that is what is important.
Womp womp