DC restaurant fined $7k for questioning transgender activist who used women's restroom

[Swordsmyth]

Washington, D.C., restaurant Cuba Libre has been hit with a $7,000 fine after questioning a transgender activist who used its women's restroom and a manager tried to insist the patron show identification proving to be female.

On June 22, Charlotte Clymer went to the restaurant to attend a bachelorette party for a friend. Clymer identifies as a woman and made the transition from being a man in November 2017.
According to Clymer's account of the June incident to MetroWeekly (https://www.metroweekly.com/2018/07/fighting-back-transgender-activist-charlotte-clymer/?fbclid=IwAR0ZHtARYLO6bRxvq0FAwMhrDeQaXkHrPrKXRdh5 RysOBwSmeHsLprkIOD4), when she went to use the women's restroom at Cuba Libre, an employee stopped her and asked for her to show identification. Clymer refused and used the women's facility. Upon exiting, she was approached by the same employee and a manager who insisted that, according to D.C. law, a person must be designated as a "female" on their ID in order to use a women's restroom in the city.
Clymer — who works in communications for the LGBT advocacy group Human Rights Campaign (https://www.hrc.org/) — argued that she was, indeed, protected under D.C. law and pulled the legislation up on her phone. The next day, Clymer claimed (https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/charlotte-clymer-says-she-was-asked-for-id-to-use-restroom-then-kicked-out-of-washington-dc-cuba-lib-1872568) via social media that she had been "forcibly removed from the restaurant."
Clymer used her Twitter platform to stress the alleged hostility of the Cuba Libre manager and explained that she felt compelled to expose the "violent nature" of the incident in hopes that it would prevent discrimination against other transgender individuals who might not have her level of privilege.

I cannot stress enough the intentionality of this incident. The manager was hostile, condescending, and hateful. And my biggest fear is that this will happen again to someone without my privilege. Someone who's not white, doesn't have a wide network, doesn't know the law, etc.
— Charlotte Clymer🏳️🌈 (@cmclymer) June 24, 2018 (https://twitter.com/cmclymer/status/1010991420373692416?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)
So, this weekend, I have tried my best to articulate this story and communicate the violent nature of what took place on Friday night while also trying to be present for my friends and what was meant to be a celebratory weekend with girlfriends.
— Charlotte Clymer🏳️🌈 (@cmclymer) June 24, 2018 (https://twitter.com/cmclymer/status/1010991421426421761?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) Clymer hired a law firm to represent her in filing a civil rights complaint against the restaurant, prompting an investigation from D.C.'s office of the attorney general.


D.C. Attorney General Karl Racine announced (https://oag.dc.gov/release/ag-racine-announces-cuba-libre-restaurant)Wednesday that the restaurant had violated the District's Human Rights Act by failing to have a written policy ensuring compliance "with regard to restroom facilities" and "did not provide adequate training to employees." The restaurant was issued a fine, ordered to implement new training for staff, and has agreed to "post clear signage that, under D.C. law, everyone is allowed to use the restroom that matches their gender identity or expression."

More at: https://www.theblaze.com/news/dc-restaurant-fined-for-questioning-gender

[Zippyjuan]

according to D.C. law, a person must be designated as a "female" on their ID in order to use a women's restroom in the city.

Do we really need to be checking IDs of people who want to use the restroom?

[Swordsmyth]

Do we really need to be checking IDs of people who want to use the restroom?
A private business can do whatever it wants to protect its customers from freaks.

[kahless]

A private business can do whatever it wants to protect its customers from freaks.

Exactly.

Perfect example, if the owner witnessed young girls had entered the bathroom and a short while later what looked like a male or freak entered the same bathroom. Going in or stopping before hand is exactly what one would expect the parents, restaurant owner or patrons to do.

[Zippyjuan]

Exactly.

Perfect example, if the owner witnessed young girls had entered the bathroom and a short while later what looked like a male or freak entered the same bathroom. Going in or stopping before hand is exactly what one would expect the parents, restaurant owner or patrons to do.

Did the girls present their IDs? They could have been boys trying to sneak in and spy on girls. Do we need "bathroom cops"?

[RJB]

Did the girls present their IDs? They could have been boys trying to sneak in and spy on girls. Do we need "bathroom cops"?

Whatever happened to discretion? Obviously the girls used the restroom without causing a scene. Someone who is labeled a "transgender activist" is obviously after attention and got it. Most Americans could give a damn who goes in what bathroom if that person acts appropriately. If this activist caused such a scene, I don't blame the owner for asking for ID.

[Origanalist]

Pretty soon the only people that will frequent public places will be freaks, perverts and activists at this rate.

[Swordsmyth]

Did the girls present their IDs? They could have been boys trying to sneak in and spy on girls. Do we need "bathroom cops"?
It is within the RIGHTS of the OWNER to make subjective decisions based on the appearance of those using his restrooms.

[timosman]

Pretty soon the only people that will frequent public places will be freaks, perverts and activists at this rate.

That's exactly the point.:D

[Swordsmyth]

That's exactly the point.:D

Leftist French Website Calls For Heterosexuality to be Banned (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?530302-Leftist-French-Website-Calls-For-Heterosexuality-to-be-Banned)

[RJB]

Hey hey! Ho ho!

[Zippyjuan]

Whatever happened to discretion? Obviously the girls used the restroom without causing a scene. Someone who is labeled a "transgender activist" is obviously after attention and got it. Most Americans could give a damn who goes in what bathroom if that person acts appropriately. If this activist caused such a scene, I don't blame the owner for asking for ID.

Was the person causing a scene before they were denied access to the restroom? (She is also a military veteran- US Army)

https://www.metroweekly.com/2018/06/transgender-woman-says-she-was-kicked-out-of-popular-d-c-restaurant-for-using-womens-restroom/


Around midnight, she attempted to use the women’s restroom, when an attendant allegedly asked to see her ID, saying that it must note “female” in order for her to use the restroom. No one else was asked for identification, according to Clymer.

“This is a packed hallway in a packed club/restaurant, and this random staff person specifically picks me out to ask for ID. I told him that’s nonsense, turned on my heel, and continued into the restroom,” Clymer wrote. “I go into a stall to do my business, and I hear him walk in and search for me in this busy restroom full of women. He is doing everything but opening the stall doors. I ignore him, and after a few moments, he leaves. I do my business, wash my hands, and walk out.”

As she exited the restroom, Clymer claims she was accosted by the attendant and the manager, who both allegedly told her that it’s District law that she has to have “female” on her identification to use the women’s restroom. Clymer again declined to show her ID, and notified both that they were wrong about the law. (Under D.C.’s Human Rights Act, transgender people are allowed to use facilities that match their gender identity, and it is illegal for places of public accommodation to discriminate against them solely on the basis of said gender identity.)


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[Swordsmyth]

Was the person causing a scene before they were denied access to the restroom? (She is also a military veteran- US Army)

https://www.metroweekly.com/2018/06/transgender-woman-says-she-was-kicked-out-of-popular-d-c-restaurant-for-using-womens-restroom/




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HE is a scene.

[Occam's Banana]

D.C. Attorney General Karl Racine announced Wednesday that the restaurant had violated the District's Human Rights Act by failing to have a written policy ensuring compliance "with regard to restroom facilities" and "did not provide adequate training to employees." The restaurant was issued a [$7,000.00] fine, ordered to implement new training for staff, and has agreed to "post clear signage that, under D.C. law, everyone is allowed to use the restroom that matches their gender identity or expression."


Do we need "bathroom cops"?

Good question. Why don't you go ask Karl Racine?

[RJB]

Was the person causing a scene before they were denied access to the restroom? (She is also a military veteran- US Army)

https://www.metroweekly.com/2018/06/transgender-woman-says-she-was-kicked-out-of-popular-d-c-restaurant-for-using-womens-restroom/




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I have no idea. But if I am forced to take the word of any business owner over any "activist" (especially any activist these days) I will side with the owner. And that includes a transgender gay bar owner who throws out an activist for looking too Christian.

[Stratovarious]

Did the girls present their IDs? They could have been boys trying to sneak in and spy on girls. Do we need "bathroom cops"?
That is part of the freak show, eventually if we let the show continue , DHS will have an excuse to be in
every bathroom in America, eventually your own home, or dhs cameras installed.
This was obvious the day Target Stores began catering to them (the freaks).

[Stratovarious]

Was the person causing a scene before they were denied access to the restroom? (She is also a military veteran- US Army)

https://www.metroweekly.com/2018/06/transgender-woman-says-she-was-kicked-out-of-popular-d-c-restaurant-for-using-womens-restroom/






A man is not a woman and visa versa, they never will be what they aren't , all
your surgery and paper work will never change that fact, call yourself what you
please, but if you were born male, you are still male.

[Zippyjuan]

That is part of the freak show, eventually if we let the show continue , DHS will have an excuse to be in
every bathroom in America, eventually your own home, or dhs cameras installed.
This was obvious the day Target Stores began catering to them (the freaks).

So we need more surveillance to be sure everybody is in the proper place. "I don't believe you are a man/ citizen/ Christian/ Republican. Papers please!

Or we can be less uptight and keep some of our freedoms.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeT5otk2R1g

[Stratovarious]

So we need more surveillance to be sure everybody is in the proper place. "I don't believe you are a man/ citizen/ Christian/ Republican. Papers please!

Or we can be less uptight and keep some of our freedoms.
You want surveillance so we can keep the freak show alive?

[oyarde]

Where I live they can just ask you to leave and you will . There are no fines . That is unamerican .

[Zippyjuan]

You want surveillance so we can keep the freak show alive?

I don't care what people are doing as long as they aren't forcing themselves on others. That is freedom. Or you can try to keep yourself apart and give up freedoms.

[Suzanimal]

Was the person causing a scene before they were denied access to the restroom? (She is also a military veteran- US Army)

https://www.metroweekly.com/2018/06/transgender-woman-says-she-was-kicked-out-of-popular-d-c-restaurant-for-using-womens-restroom/




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Do we really need to be checking IDs of people who want to use the restroom?

Nope. I don't need to see the ID to tell that's a man.

[Swordsmyth]

So we need more surveillance to be sure everybody is in the proper place. "I don't believe you are a man/ citizen/ Christian/ Republican. Papers please!

Or we can be less uptight and keep some of our freedoms.


You never had the freedom to use a restroom that a business owner didn't want you to use and the owner always had an absolute right to surveil his property.

[Occam's Banana]

D.C. Attorney General Karl Racine announced Wednesday that the restaurant had violated the District's Human Rights Act by failing to have a written policy ensuring compliance "with regard to restroom facilities" and "did not provide adequate training to employees." The restaurant was issued a [$7,000.00] fine, ordered to implement new training for staff, and has agreed to "post clear signage that, under D.C. law, everyone is allowed to use the restroom that matches their gender identity or expression."


Or we can be less uptight and keep some of our freedoms.

Good advice. Why don't you go tell it to Karl Racine?

[Swordsmyth]

I don't care what people are doing as long as they aren't forcing themselves on others. That is freedom. Or you can try to keep yourself apart and give up freedoms.
The thing is forcing HIMself on the business owner.

[Stratovarious]

I don't care what people are doing as long as they aren't forcing themselves on others. That is freedom. Or you can try to keep yourself apart and give up freedoms.
Freedom is being allowed to associate with real people.

[Zippyjuan]

Freedom is being allowed to associate with real people.

This person was denied freedom of association.

[oyarde]

Nope. I don't need to see the ID to tell that's a man.

Seems no other people were in doubt as well .

[Occam's Banana]

D.C. Attorney General Karl Racine announced Wednesday that the restaurant had violated the District's Human Rights Act by failing to have a written policy [...]


Papers please!


The restaurant was issued a [$7,000.00] fine, ordered to implement new training for staff, and has agreed to "post clear signage [...]



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeT5otk2R1g

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[RJB]

So we need more surveillance to be sure everybody is in the proper place. "I don't believe you are a man/ citizen/ Christian/ Republican. Papers please!

Or we can be less uptight and keep some of our freedoms.

You are talking about less freedoms? One person was told by the owner of a business to use an appropriate bathroom. The other was fined $7000 by the government for running HIS business HIS way.

[Stratovarious]

If you want to parade your freak show around the restaurant circuit
trailer' an outhouse on the back
of your car and leave the patrons in peace.

[Occam's Banana]

This person was denied freedom of association.

Who is "this person"?

With whom was "this person" denied the freedom to associate?

[oyarde]

Personally I would not live in DC or operate a business there , but I would never pay a 7K fine for an employee trying to stop what they thought a man from using the ladies room .Never .

[RJB]

Who is "this person"?

With whom was "this person" denied the freedom to associate?

I think someone bet Zippy a large sum of money that he couldn't make the most asinine argument in the world. Zip responded, "hold my beer and watch."

[Stratovarious]

This person was denied freedom of association.
Not so , freedom of association was never about being allowed to force yourself on others,
and it was written well in advance of the anticipation the possibility that men would decide
they wanted to, tried to, and actually achieved with some success in making people believe they
were women, and also FORCE the 'not fooled' into treating them as such.

[Stratovarious]

I think someone bet Zippy a large sum of money that he couldn't make the most asinine argument in the world. Zip responded, "hold my beer and watch."
ha aha... right, ''watch this'' :frog:

[RJB]

Not so , freedom of association was never about being allowed to force yourself on others,
and it was written well in advance of the anticipation the possibility that men would decide
they wanted to, tried to, and actually achieved with some success in making people believe they
were women, and also FORCE the 'not fooled' into treating them as such.

Bullcrap! The whole reason for the Declaration of Independence and The Constitution and the Revolutionary War was specifically so men could use the woman's restroom.

[Stratovarious]

Bullcrap! The whole reason for the Declaration of Independence and The Constitution and the Revolutionary War was specifically so men could use the woman's restroom.
I knew that :frog:
I just told someone to hold my drink...........ha ha,
See what I just did there, zippy will be really freaking out now....

[Mach]

One of my family members go in and then I see him go in after, then there will be a confrontation.


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[RJB]

I sincerely apologise for my sarcasm in my earlier posts. I received a PM and learned some very poignant information. This is very personal for Zippy. His ancestors died for this country in battle for the sole purpose that he may use the woman's restroom. In light of this, I again apologise.

[RJB]

One of my family members go in and then I see him go in after, then there will be a confrontation.


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Is that Andy Kaufman?

[kahless]

Personally I would not live in DC or operate a business there , but I would never pay a 7K fine for an employee trying to stop what they thought a man from using the ladies room .Never .

I would try to delay paying it while fighting it and counter sue. But I suspect if you do not pay the fine on time they would probably do something like hit you with penalties, revoke your liquor licenses and operating permits.

[TER]

This person was denied freedom of association.

No, he was denied his personal delusions from affecting the comfort and well-being of the patrons and employees of a private business.

[Stratovarious]

One of my family members go in and then I see him go in after, then there will be a confrontation.


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Bubba Sue ?

[Suzanimal]

Is that Andy Kaufman?

Not even close.

He reminds me of Jeff Daniels.

http://photos.geni.com/p13/ac/9d/60/cc/5344483e3114d34d/jeff_daniels_jeffdaniels-thumb-200x284-70631_large.jpg

[Grandmastersexsay]

The solution to this problem is to have unisex bathrooms that have single stalls with a toilet, a sink, and walls that go from floor to ceiling. Everyone would be happier and these freaks would get less attention.

The real problem with transgenders is the normalization of an obvious psychological disorder. I don't care what these people do with themselves, but having the media brainwash kids, teenagers, and young adults into thinking this is a sensible life choice is beyond irresponsible. These kids are often lonely, confused, and worst, highly impressionable and naive. They're just trying to figure out who they are and they have to watch these garbage delusional mental cases get paraded around like celebrities.

It would be best if we can marginalize them as much as possible. The less attention they get, the better.

[RJB]

Not even close.

He reminds me of Jeff Daniels.

http://photos.geni.com/p13/ac/9d/60/cc/5344483e3114d34d/jeff_daniels_jeffdaniels-thumb-200x284-70631_large.jpg

But it seems like a stunt that Kaufman might have pulled to mess with people.

[Origanalist]

You are talking about less freedoms? One person was told by the owner of a business to use an appropriate bathroom. The other was fined $7000 by the government for running HIS business HIS way.

Slippy is all about the freedoms.

[Origanalist]

Bubba Sue ?

Could have been a Buddy Holly song, or Betty Holly, or something.

[RJB]

Slippy is all about the freedoms.

Hey hey! Ho ho!

[kahless]

The solution to this problem is to have unisex bathrooms that have single stalls with a toilet, a sink, and walls that go from floor to ceiling. Everyone would be happier and these freaks would get less attention.

The real problem with transgenders is the normalization of an obvious psychological disorder. I don't care what these people do with themselves, but having the media brainwash kids, teenagers, and young adults into thinking this is a sensible life choice is beyond irresponsible. These kids are often lonely, confused, and worst, highly impressionable and naive. They're just trying to figure out who they are and they have to watch these garbage delusional mental cases get paraded around like celebrities.

It would be best if we can marginalize them as much as possible. The less attention they get, the better.

I have a solution, just show people how ridiculous it is normalizing a disease by demonstrating how ridiculous by using another disease for comparison. For example Alcoholism.

What if Alcoholics could complain how they are being discriminated against and demand special protections under the law so they can no longer be prosecuted for driving recklessly drunk. They then could demand special rights so they can be drunk in public and in the workplace. They could create a nuisance in public and then claim their rights are being violated for any police action, claim discrimination and have alcoholic rights protests as a result.

They could also use a special beer colored flag as a symbol of how proud they are of their alcoholism and have an Alcoholics pride day parade where the main parade float has alcoholics vomiting and bed ridden with an IV.

[Origanalist]

Hey hey! Ho ho!

Bigoted bathrooms gotta go!

[Stratovarious]

Could have been a Buddy Holly song, or Betty Holly, or something.

Ha ha , I know, ...
I think the Oakridge Boys had a 'Bobby Sue' , well someone did anyway.

[Anti Federalist]

Wait until you see what the weirdosexuals have in store for you next.

What you will be forced by law to accept and celebrate and take pride in.

[Schifference]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9i-fzlJSs4

[Swordsmyth]

This person was denied freedom of association.
The people he wanted to "associate" with didn't agree.

[asurfaholic]

I’m honestly starting to wonder if people put too much stock in the signs on a bathroom door. I’ll try to relate... if I need to use the bathroom, and I come up to a bathroom door that says weirdos only, and I really really gotta go, I might just go in there and do my thing.

My main point, the manager and employee making a scene at the entrance to a bathroom did nothing but escalate a situation and it’s going to cost them 7k. It’s probably chump change. My questioning lies in - were any crimes committed by the freak show ? If they cannot identify a victim, what right does a business owner have to try to detain, and produce an ID from a customer who otherwise was acting within the normal expectations of the establishment?

I am torn because the forced normalization of these freaky freak shows is getting out of hand. On the other hand, as a parent, we accompany our children when they go into a public restroom, and will continue to do so until they are sufficiently mature enough to handle that on their own. We already avoid them at all costs for cleanliness reasons, and prefer they use the restroom at home before and after trips on the town, but when nature calls, a restroom is a restroom. I won’t hesitate to bring my young daughters into a men’s room if it is only I who can supervise them and I’ll be damned if a manager asks for an ID to check and make sure the proper sex is using the proper restroom.

If a freak show goes into the restroom and is trying to peep, harass, or use video recording devices then there is a problem. Until then the toilet flushes piss and shit and won’t judge the anatomy of the person that dumped, and that’s enough rambling from me for the night..

[timosman]

The people he wanted to "associate" with didn't agree.

There is certainly more work that needs to be done in order to instill the right ideas in some people's minds. :D

[timosman]

The people he wanted to "associate" with didn't agree.

There is certainly more work that needs to be done in order to instill the right ideas in some people's minds. :D

[James_Madison_Lives]

I'm identifying as a woman. Therefore I'm going to my gym and sit in the women's locker room naked with a raging erection while staring at all the naked women. If you don't like it your are in an intolerant bigot.

[RJB]

My main point, the manager and employee making a scene at the entrance to a bathroom did nothing but escalate a situation and it’s going to cost them 7k. It’s probably chump change..

Chump change? Have you ever ran a business, particularly a restaurant? $7000 can put a restaurant out of business especially during a slow season. These aren't Federal employees with full benefits and full pay during shut downs.

[Suzanimal]

I’m honestly starting to wonder if people put too much stock in the signs on a bathroom door. I’ll try to relate... if I need to use the bathroom, and I come up to a bathroom door that says weirdos only, and I really really gotta go, I might just go in there and do my thing.

My main point, the manager and employee making a scene at the entrance to a bathroom did nothing but escalate a situation and it’s going to cost them 7k. It’s probably chump change. My questioning lies in - were any crimes committed by the freak show ? If they cannot identify a victim, what right does a business owner have to try to detain, and produce an ID from a customer who otherwise was acting within the normal expectations of the establishment?

I am torn because the forced normalization of these freaky freak shows is getting out of hand. On the other hand, as a parent, we accompany our children when they go into a public restroom, and will continue to do so until they are sufficiently mature enough to handle that on their own. We already avoid them at all costs for cleanliness reasons, and prefer they use the restroom at home before and after trips on the town, but when nature calls, a restroom is a restroom. I won’t hesitate to bring my young daughters into a men’s room if it is only I who can supervise them and I’ll be damned if a manager asks for an ID to check and make sure the proper sex is using the proper restroom.

If a freak show goes into the restroom and is trying to peep, harass, or use video recording devices then there is a problem. Until then the toilet flushes piss and shit and won’t judge the anatomy of the person that dumped, and that’s enough rambling from me for the night..

1. 7,000.00 isn't chump change
2. wait until your daughters are too old to go in the men's room with you and see if you feel differently about a man dressed as a woman going in after them.

Personally, I think bathroom policies should be left up to the business. For example, what's okay for a nightclub isn't the same as what's okay for a Chuck E Cheese but the law is perverted.

[idiom]

One of my family members go in and then I see him go in after, then there will be a confrontation.


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93% of sexual assault against minors is perpetrated by someone known to the victim, so you might want to start confronting people you know to stay away from each other.

[TER]

93% of sexual assault against minors is perpetrated by someone known to the victim, so you might want to start confronting people you know to stay away from each other.

100% of sexual assaults against minors is perpetrated by someone with a mental disorder.

[Swordsmyth]

93% of sexual assault against minors is perpetrated by someone known to the victim, so you might want to start confronting people you know to stay away from each other.
That's because the parents and the children know to beware of the people they don't know, if the parents and children didn't then 99.9% would be by people not known to the victim without any reduction in the absolute numbers committed by people who know the victim.

Weirdos are a much higher threat than straights.

[Brian4Liberty]

One of my family members go in and then I see him go in after, then there will be a confrontation.


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I believe the appropriate term is whether they “pass” or “don’t pass” as the gender they want to be. The simple fact is that this person will always be seen as a man wearing make-up and women’s clothes. This is a simple fact. There is nothing that will change this physical reality.

[dannno]

93% of sexual assault against minors is perpetrated by someone known to the victim, so you might want to start confronting people you know to stay away from each other.

It's mostly single mother fuckbuddies, but nice try..


Children who live with a single parent that has a live-in partner are at the highest risk: they are 20 times more likely to be victims of child sexual abuse than children living with both biological parents (Sedlack, et. al., 2010)

[Swordsmyth]

It's mostly single mother $#@!buddies, but nice try..
You must spread some reputation around................

[dannno]

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[idiom]

It's mostly single mother $#@!buddies, but nice try..

Those fuckbuddies would be both straight and known to the child and dressed like normal men.

[idiom]

I believe the appropriate term is whether they “pass” or “don’t pass” as the gender they want to be. The simple fact is that this person will always be seen as a man wearing make-up and women’s clothes. This is a simple fact. There is nothing that will change this physical reality.

FFS would have that individual passing in no time.

[dannno]

Those fuckbuddies would be both straight and known to the child and dressed like normal men.

You said we should protect our kids from people we know, because all these random people we know are the ones raping kids...

That is NOT the case. The case seems to be that when the father is not present to protect their kids, children are raped at 20x the rate.

When a FATHER (most anyway..) sees someone like that following their kid into the freaking bathroom, they are going to get concerned, OK???

[TheTexan]

What about her safety? A beautiful woman such as himself going into the men's room, probably half the men would try to rape her

[Brian4Liberty]

FFS would have that individual passing in no time.

It seems you are more up on the details of the subject. Had to look that up. So FFS is “facial feminization surgery”. And I highly doubt that any amount of surgery would make that person “pass” as female.

[Origanalist]

It seems you are more up on the details of the subject. Had to look that up. So FFS is “facial feminization surgery”. And I highly doubt that any amount of surgery would make that person “pass” as female.

I had to look it up too, I guess we're just not up to date on the hot new exciting things to do.

[RJB]

I thought he was say For F--- Sake. Facial surgery is disfigurement.

[Dr.3D]

One of my family members go in and then I see him go in after, then there will be a confrontation.


http://static-19.sinclairstoryline.com/resources/media/f7d68b6e-8aac-44be-8617-3d422b2ad70b-large16x9_TRANSDCBATHROOMPKG11_frame_657.png?15298 11849435
That picture reminds me of this 'woman', from the Monty Python group.
https://s14-eu5.startpage.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http:%2F%2Fhazeltwigg.com%2Fblog%2F wp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F01%2Fdrag2c.jpg&sp=ae34570ae814fbf63059d6bf057f6f53

[Danke]

It seems you are more up on the details of the subject. Had to look that up. So FFS is “facial feminization surgery”. And I highly doubt that any amount of surgery would make that person “pass” as female.

I think that has been mandatory for males Kiwis many years now.

[Swordsmyth]

Those $#@!buddies would be both straight and known to the child and dressed like normal men.

That isn't necessarily so these days.
And again the only reason people who know the kid are the usual perps is because the parents and the kid know to beware strangers and freaks.

[Swordsmyth]

FFS would have that individual passing in no time.
LOL

[RJB]

I think that has been mandatory for males Kiwis many years now.

I hear it's not too hard to pass. They are born with small kiwis to begin with.

[Brian4Liberty]

That picture reminds me of this 'woman', from the Monty Python group.
https://s14-eu5.startpage.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http:%2F%2Fhazeltwigg.com%2Fblog%2F wp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F01%2Fdrag2c.jpg&sp=ae34570ae814fbf63059d6bf057f6f53

And that is the reality. When a person does not “pass”, it is very similar to what has been long estabished as a type of comedy show. Monty Python is just one example. These non-passing people are putting themselves out there as a spectacle, and then they complain when anyone notices.

[idiom]

It seems you are more up on the details of the subject. Had to look that up. So FFS is “facial feminization surgery”. And I highly doubt that any amount of surgery would make that person “pass” as female.

The differences is gender cues are pretty small. After FFS which capitalism and liberty is making widely available, the big differences for this person as someone transitioning late till be voice and comportment each of which takes a while to re-learn how to act in society. While part of that is biology, testosterone deepens the voice, knowing how to carry yourself and talk using properly submissive cues varies widely by culture. Its a lot easier to pass in a country you didn't grow up in, because you don't "man" correctly either.

The more freedom smaller governments protect, and the more capitalism advances technology, the more optional biological constraints will become. Every man, and each woman, already contain in their DNA a full set of plans for both genders, the Y chromosome is mostly just a key which switches between to options. This will become straight forward to manipulate at the genetic level in the near future and will require them wonderful totalitarian measures to stop people switching at the DNA level.

Either you are going to need to advocate some form of government ID to regulate peoples behaviour, or if you are more into liberty, you will need to find a way to reconcile with people doing a lot more of anything they want with their bodies.

The propaganda is highly repetitive though. Something other than marijuana turns people into rapists, being gay is a mental disorder to be treated with shock therapy or death maybe?

Freedom of expression should be a libertarian strong point, instead its being left to the marxists who will inevitably start murdering Jews and *****s as soon as they gain control.

[Schifference]

The differences is gender cues are pretty small. After FFS which capitalism and liberty is making widely available, the big differences for this person as someone transitioning late till be voice and comportment each of which takes a while to re-learn how to act in society. While part of that is biology, testosterone deepens the voice, knowing how to carry yourself and talk using properly submissive cues varies widely by culture. Its a lot easier to pass in a country you didn't grow up in, because you don't "man" correctly either.

The more freedom smaller governments protect, and the more capitalism advances technology, the more optional biological constraints will become. Every man, and each woman, already contain in their DNA a full set of plans for both genders, the Y chromosome is mostly just a key which switches between to options. This will become straight forward to manipulate at the genetic level in the near future and will require them wonderful totalitarian measures to stop people switching at the DNA level.

Either you are going to need to advocate some form of government ID to regulate peoples behaviour, or if you are more into liberty, you will need to find a way to reconcile with people doing a lot more of anything they want with their bodies.

The propaganda is highly repetitive though. Something other than marijuana turns people into rapists, being gay is a mental disorder to be treated with shock therapy or death maybe?

Freedom of expression should be a libertarian strong point, instead its being left to the marxists who will inevitably start murdering Jews and *****s as soon as they gain control.

The problem as I see it is not the acceptance of people but the demand by people that society has to change to meet each individuals perception.

[idiom]

The problem as I see it is not the acceptance of people but the demand by people that society has to change to meet each individuals perception.

Yeah, that'd be the marxists completely owning the vacuum left by the libertarians and liberals.

One asks that you be polite to people who are different, the other demands you behave a certain way.

Most of the Trans people in your environment pass entirely. You are blissfully unaware of their lives. This is because they are liable to be murdered if they didn't live this way. Now libertarians could pretty easily be for not murdering people because of the way they dress. Instead the marxists use trans people and others as a tool to gain social power, a tool they will discard later when they go back to being conservatives.

[Brian4Liberty]

The differences is gender cues are pretty small. After FFS which capitalism and liberty is making widely available, the big differences for this person as someone transitioning late till be voice and comportment each of which takes a while to re-learn how to act in society. While part of that is biology, testosterone deepens the voice, knowing how to carry yourself and talk using properly submissive cues varies widely by culture. Its a lot easier to pass in a country you didn't grow up in, because you don't "man" correctly either.

The more freedom smaller governments protect, and the more capitalism advances technology, the more optional biological constraints will become. Every man, and each woman, already contain in their DNA a full set of plans for both genders, the Y chromosome is mostly just a key which switches between to options. This will become straight forward to manipulate at the genetic level in the near future and will require them wonderful totalitarian measures to stop people switching at the DNA level.

Either you are going to need to advocate some form of government ID to regulate peoples behaviour, or if you are more into liberty, you will need to find a way to reconcile with people doing a lot more of anything they want with their bodies.

The propaganda is highly repetitive though. Something other than marijuana turns people into rapists, being gay is a mental disorder to be treated with shock therapy or death maybe?

Freedom of expression should be a libertarian strong point, instead its being left to the marxists who will inevitably start murdering Jews and *****s as soon as they gain control.

Once again, I highly doubt that FFS would help this specific individual. And you can’t ignore other physical cues like broad shoulders and stocky build.

As far as a science fiction sex-changing DNA-changing treatment coming anytime soon, don’t hold your breath.

[idiom]

Once again, I highly doubt that FFS would help this specific individual. And you can’t ignore other physical cues like broad shoulders and stocky build.

As far as a science fiction sex-changing DNA-changing treatment coming anytime soon, don’t hold your breath.

In the meantime you have the option of being polite and making someones day better, or trying to control their behavior through social pressure.

[Schifference]

Restaurants should have a hand washing station for people that just want to wash hands before or after dining. They should have a single stall bathroom with only cold water and no heat. Make it as uncomfortable in the bathroom as possible so people don't want to use it.

[RJB]

In the meantime you have the option of being polite and making someones day better, or trying to control their behavior through social pressure.
Are you talking about the guy who looked like someone in drag from a Monty Python skit who was rude enough to cause a scene as others were simply enjoying a meal because they aren't into being socially pressured into accepting this intersectional PC BS. Because a 7K fine is the pressure that is actually being applied.

Come on Idi. Even Zippy was smart enough to drop this baton.

[Swordsmyth]

The differences is gender cues are pretty small. After FFS which capitalism and liberty is making widely available, the big differences for this person as someone transitioning late till be voice and comportment each of which takes a while to re-learn how to act in society. While part of that is biology, testosterone deepens the voice, knowing how to carry yourself and talk using properly submissive cues varies widely by culture. Its a lot easier to pass in a country you didn't grow up in, because you don't "man" correctly either.

The more freedom smaller governments protect, and the more capitalism advances technology, the more optional biological constraints will become. Every man, and each woman, already contain in their DNA a full set of plans for both genders, the Y chromosome is mostly just a key which switches between to options. This will become straight forward to manipulate at the genetic level in the near future and will require them wonderful totalitarian measures to stop people switching at the DNA level.

Either you are going to need to advocate some form of government ID to regulate peoples behaviour, or if you are more into liberty, you will need to find a way to reconcile with people doing a lot more of anything they want with their bodies.

The propaganda is highly repetitive though. Something other than marijuana turns people into rapists, being gay is a mental disorder to be treated with shock therapy or death maybe?

Freedom of expression should be a libertarian strong point, instead its being left to the marxists who will inevitably start murdering Jews and *****s as soon as they gain control.
Refusing to accept your insanity is our right, if you don't like it you can lump it.
You freaks are the ones who are trying to use government to overcome people's normal instincts and change culture by force.

[Swordsmyth]

In the meantime you have the option of being polite and making someones day better, or trying to control their behavior through social pressure.
I'll take the latter and it is my right to do so as long as I don't get government involved.
Insanity is insanity.

[Swordsmyth]

Are you talking about the guy who looked like someone in drag from a Monty Python skit who was rude enough to cause a scene as others were simply enjoying a meal because they aren't into being socially pressured into accepting this intersectional PC BS. Because a 7K fine is the pressure that is actually being applied.

Come on Idi. Even Zippy was smart enough to drop this baton.
M=T

[idiom]

Are you talking about the guy who looked like someone in drag from a Monty Python skit who was rude enough to cause a scene as others were simply enjoying a meal because they aren't into being socially pressured into accepting this intersectional PC BS. Because a 7K fine is the pressure that is actually being applied.

Come on Idi. Even Zippy was smart enough to drop this baton.

If you tell young people that Marxism is the only way to build an inclusive society then that is what you are going to get.

If libertarians abdicate from being the ones to create a society in which freedom of expression is possible then those who wish to allow for maximum freedom will go to those who promise it. And the results will be more of this shit.

[idiom]

M=T

Thanks you for your erudite contributions. Noteworthy as always.

[RJB]

If you tell young people that Marxism is the only way to build an inclusive society then that is what you are going to get.

If libertarians abdicate from being the ones to create a society in which freedom of expression is possible then those who wish to allow for maximum freedom will go to those who promise it. And the results will be more of this shit.

The only tyranny utilized in this situation was the government stealing $7K from a business. How the business owner runs his business is his business... PERIOD. As I said earlier, I would hold the same opinion if a trans business owner kicked out a patron for wearing a maga hat or even looking too Christian. It's their business. Stay out of it idiom and take your government with you

[Origanalist]

Yeah, that'd be the marxists completely owning the vacuum left by the libertarians and liberals.

One asks that you be polite to people who are different, the other demands you behave a certain way.

Most of the Trans people in your environment pass entirely. You are blissfully unaware of their lives. This is because they are liable to be murdered if they didn't live this way. Now libertarians could pretty easily be for not murdering people because of the way they dress. Instead the marxists use trans people and others as a tool to gain social power, a tool they will discard later when they go back to being conservatives.

Nobody is talking about killing anyone or demanding you behave a certain way but the rabid leftists. A business wanting people to use bathrooms designated for their sex doesn't fall into either category. That guy can dress and act however he wants but inserting himself into places he's not welcome is demanding others change their behavior.

[Swordsmyth]

If you tell young people that Marxism is the only way to build an inclusive society then that is what you are going to get.

If libertarians abdicate from being the ones to create a society in which freedom of expression is possible then those who wish to allow for maximum freedom will go to those who promise it. And the results will be more of this $#@!.
You don't want freedom of expression, you want enforced acceptance.

You are free to express yourself as you see fit and others are free to react as they see fit.

[Schifference]

You don't want freedom of expression, you want enforced acceptance.

You are free to express yourself as you see fit and others are free to react as they see fit.

Yes but this goes on and on. Look at the Catholic school incident. People react as they see fit. Look at Dr. Rand Paul assault. The left over reacts. The delusional psychotic people demand that society change. Look at the reaction of cops when they pull over a person for a faulty blinker. Then the reaction of the grand jury, judge, jury.

[Swordsmyth]

Yes but this goes on and on. Look at the Catholic school incident. People react as they see fit. Look at Dr. Rand Paul assault. The left over reacts. The delusional psychotic people demand that society change. Look at the reaction of cops when they pull over a person for a faulty blinker. Then the reaction of the grand jury, judge, jury.
Government isn't the solution to those problems, it is the cause of some of them.
The only solution is separation, the weirdos and any liberals crazy enough to accept them can make their own society and leave us alone, unless that happens there will be cultural conflict and adults will just have to deal with it until one side or the other wins.

[Stratovarious]

Russia is cutting the space based missle defence
budget, so they can finish building 45,000,000
transgender restrooms, they will adjoin women's
restrooms and have free video feeds so they can peep on
the women's restrooms and not cause alarm to
business owers, parents, or patrons.
:frog:
NPANEWS.COM

[Schifference]

Government isn't the solution to those problems, it is the cause of some of them.
The only solution is separation, the weirdos and any liberals crazy enough to accept them can make their own society and leave us alone, unless that happens there will be cultural conflict and adults will just have to deal with it until one side or the other wins.

In years past a man that believed he was a woman would be considered mentally ill. Now those that think the man is a man are mentally ill. Weirdoism is normalcy.

Was just thinking that a transwoman might be the first female president. It takes a real man to be a woman president. This could redefine "both sides of the aisle."

What it is going to take is women to stand up instead of embracing the lunacy.

[Schifference]

A teenager cannot even stand his ground with a smile while others intimidate him without major consequence these days

[idiom]

In years past a man that believed he was a woman would be considered mentally ill. Now those that think the man is a man are mentally ill. Weirdoism is normalcy.

Was just thinking that a transwoman might be the first female president. It takes a real man to be a woman president. This could redefine "both sides of the aisle."

What it is going to take is women to stand up instead of embracing the lunacy.

These are literally marxist talking points.

[idiom]

Nobody is talking about killing anyone or demanding you behave a certain way but the rabid leftists. A business wanting people to use bathrooms designated for their sex doesn't fall into either category. That guy can dress and act however he wants but inserting himself into places he's not welcome is demanding others change their behavior.

That would be a wonderful world to live in, but in America right now a trans person has a pretty high chance of being beaten to death, like 1 in 10. That not all rabid leftists doing that.

[idiom]

Government isn't the solution to those problems, it is the cause of some of them.
The only solution is separation, the weirdos and any liberals crazy enough to accept them can make their own society and leave us alone, unless that happens there will be cultural conflict and adults will just have to deal with it until one side or the other wins.

Liberals crazy enough to build a society of religious and social tolerance is how we got here. Now we have Marxists and Fascists and the odd theocrat wanting to turn back the clock.

One of Marx's big problems with Capitalism was that it encouraged women to live like men and broke down "proper" social mores and behaviours.

Hands up if you think women wearing jeans was a really bad thing. If only there was a nice group of state or religious enforcers around to stop that shit.

[Origanalist]

That would be a wonderful world to live in, but in America right now a trans person has a pretty high chance of being beaten to death, like 1 in 10. That not all rabid leftists doing that.

Lol, bullshit. Where do you get this stuff?

[Swordsmyth]

Liberals crazy enough to build a society of religious and social tolerance is how we got here. Now we have Marxists and Fascists and the odd theocrat wanting to turn back the clock.

One of Marx's big problems with Capitalism was that it encouraged women to live like men and broke down "proper" social mores and behaviours.

Hands up if you think women wearing jeans was a really bad thing. If only there was a nice group of state or religious enforcers around to stop that $#@!.

Bunk, tolerance has limits, not all of the old societal rules were right but many were and they shouldn't have been done away with.
Nobody but you is calling for government intervention, make your own society or grow up and deal with the fact that others don't have to accept your insanity.

[Swordsmyth]

That would be a wonderful world to live in, but in America right now a trans person has a pretty high chance of being beaten to death, like 1 in 10. That not all rabid leftists doing that.
More insanity.

[Schifference]

That would be a wonderful world to live in, but in America right now a trans person has a pretty high chance of being beaten to death, like 1 in 10. That not all rabid leftists doing that.

You seem to be informed on the subject. Are you trans?

[Swordsmyth]

These are literally marxist talking points.
LOL

[idiom]

Lol, bull$#@!. Where do you get this stuff?

Stats. Since y'all like IQ lately here is another gem. Late On-set male to female and female to male transgender groups test with an average IQ of ~122. The early onset cluster has an IQ average near 100 tho.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165178105001551

[Origanalist]

Stats. Since y'all like IQ lately here is another gem. Late On-set male to female and female to male transgender groups test with an average IQ of ~122. The early onset cluster has an IQ average near 100 tho.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165178105001551

If you're going to quote stats you need to source them. I wasn't inquiring about IQ. And your link didn't say anything about IQ.

[Swordsmyth]

Stats. Since y'all like IQ lately here is another gem. Late On-set male to female and female to male transgender groups test with an average IQ of ~122. The early onset cluster has an IQ average near 100 tho.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165178105001551


It has long been known that there is a fine line between genius and insanity

[Stratovarious]

Stats. Since y'all like IQ lately here is another gem. Late On-set male to female and female to male transgender groups test with an average IQ of ~122. The early onset cluster has an IQ average near 100 tho.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0165178105001551

If this were true, then they would know that there
are two sexes and pretending to be what you're not
does not change your sex.

[Origanalist]

It has long been known that there is a fine line between genius and insanity

I think that was just more bs, he's just unnecessarily digging a deeper hole.

[Swordsmyth]

I think that was just more bs, he's just unnecessarily digging a deeper hole.
I'm sure you are right but I was pointing out that even if we accept his assertion it doesn't mean that trannies aren't stark raving mad.

[idiom]

I think that was just more bs, he's just unnecessarily digging a deeper hole.

Gives a citation, still making it up.

Evidence won't sway you. Your opinions are a priori.

[idiom]

You seem to be informed on the subject. Are you trans?

Would it make a schifference if I was? Is stand-point theory libertarian doctrine now?

[idiom]

LOL

They are genuinely marxist points. Marxist feminists are extremely anti-Trans. Its the post-modernists and individualists who are pro-trans.

Marxists think Male to Female trans people are just men trying to colonize women and define femininity by how they show that they are Trans. For them the class war is men oppressing women and trans people are oppressive infiltrators.

[Schifference]

Would it make a schifference if I was? Is stand-point theory libertarian doctrine now?

No but if you are, you should be proud of it and admit it when asked.

[Swordsmyth]

They are genuinely marxist points. Marxist feminists are extremely anti-Trans. Its the post-modernists and individualists who are pro-trans.

Marxists think Male to Female trans people are just men trying to colonize women and define femininity by how they show that they are Trans. For them the class war is men oppressing women and trans people are oppressive infiltrators.
Marx also ate food and drank water, even Marxists have to recognize and accept some pieces of reality.

You are in rebellion against facts and truth, that isn't liberty, it is insanity.

[RJB]

Would it make a schifference if I was? Is stand-point theory libertarian doctrine now?

I know what you are referencing, but as I said I don't care what anyone does that is their business. I also spoke up in defense of that person when he got in trouble for antichristian remarks on the forum. I do react however when the government fines someone for running their business.

[DamianTV]

Anyone ever see a Transgender Crocodile or Dog or Hamster? Transgender does NOT happen in nature. Gay? Fine. Transgender? WTF?

[Zippyjuan]

Anyone ever see a Transgender Crocodile or Dog or Hamster? Transgender does NOT happen in nature. Gay? Fine. Transgender? WTF?

https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/8x8bez/yes-there-are-trans-animals

https://www.sbs.com.au/topics/science/nature/article/2016/09/29/7-gender-bending-animals-animal-kingdom

[RJB]

Anyone ever see a Transgender Crocodile or Dog or Hamster? Transgender does NOT happen in nature. Gay? Fine. Transgender? WTF?

Frogs do if you put chemicals in the water.

[Stratovarious]

The human race includes 2 sexes period, the science is not it, it's just
the way it is , the way it has been throughout human history.
No one hates gays or transgenderers' , but we all resent being
forced to bow down and make special accommodations for
the freak show.

[Anti Globalist]

Did somebody say something about putting chemicals in the water?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoLqOYJNSaY

[Dr.3D]

When I was in veterinary school, the professor said, homosexuality is often observed when there is overpopulation by that species.

Could much this trans stuff be the result of human overpopulation?

[Swordsmyth]

When I was in veterinary school, the professor said, homosexuality is often observed when there is overpopulation by that species.

Could much this trans stuff be the result of human overpopulation?
Overpopulation (local or global) can lead to insanity in many different ways.

[DamianTV]

Frogs do if you put chemicals in the water.

And then they dont reproduce. Transgenderism is dangerous to the survival of the human species. But what even causes people to want to become transgender? Psychological warfare on the youth, and shit tons of hormones.

[AZJoe]

Do we really need to be checking IDs of people who want to use the restroom?

Do we really need to be using the violence of government , backed by threat of guns, to be stealing people's money for deciding that their own bathrooms should offer privacy for each sex. Geez.

If someone wants to go around pretending to be the opposite biological sex, or anything else for that matter , go right ahead. Noone however has a right to use violence to force all the rest of the world to participate in their self fantasy.

[AZJoe]

This person was denied freedom of association.

Really? Because I did not see where the government used force of violence to prevent this person from associating with people who wanted to associated with him. This person is free to associate with whoever freely wants to associate with him, but not to force people to participate in his fantasy. Instead, this person is trying to use force of violence to trespass on someone else's property, and violate the rights of the owner, and use violence of government to force everyone else to participate in his self-perception fantasy.

[idiom]

The human race includes 2 sexes period
No one hates gays or transgenderers' ,
the freak show.

Y'all even read what you are posting when you post it?

[idiom]

And then they dont reproduce. Transgenderism is dangerous to the survival of the human species. But what even causes people to want to become transgender? Psychological warfare on the youth, and $#@! tons of hormones.

What mechanism stops people wanting to change gender? It is a very strong one and very useful to evolution. Its handy if people accurately broadcast their sex. I imagine you are very happy being the gender you were born, you probably have also never wondered why that is.

That happens when that mechanism fails to develop properly or ends up developing backwards?

[idiom]

Marx also ate food and drank water, even Marxists have to recognize and accept some pieces of reality.

You are in rebellion against facts and truth, that isn't liberty, it is insanity.

You have a full set of female DNA in your body. That's just a fact. You are keyed to produce one type of gametes, produce primary and secondary sexual characteristics to support those gametes, and to have brain parts specialized is identifying gender in other humans rapidly at a distance. You probably also have a deep fear of change and the unusual. That's also primal and normal.

You can't get an ought from an is though. That's the naturalist fallacy. The Marxist fallacy is thinking you can get an is from an ought.

[Swordsmyth]

You have a full set of female DNA in your body. That's just a fact. You are keyed to produce one type of gametes, produce primary and secondary sexual characteristics to support those gametes, and to have brain parts specialized is identifying gender in other humans rapidly at a distance. You probably also have a deep fear of change and the unusual. That's also primal and normal.

You can't get an ought from an is though. That's the naturalist fallacy. The Marxist fallacy is thinking you can get an is from an ought.
You are insane.

Boys are boys and girls are girls.

[RJB]

What mechanism stops people wanting to change gender? It is a very strong one and very useful to evolution. Its handy if people accurately broadcast their sex. I imagine you are very happy being the gender you were born, you probably have also never wondered why that is.

That happens when that mechanism fails to develop properly or ends up developing backwards?

I would be equally happy in whatever gender I was made. You take what you are gifted in this life and do the best you can with it.

If someone desires to be a girl because his testosterone is low, the rational solution should be to increase the testosterone rather than lower it and introduce a foreign hormone. If a male has some emotional issues, female hormones would probably make it worse.

In the end it is up to them. Just don't sure someone to accept it.

[idiom]

I would be equally happy in whatever gender I was made. You take what you are gifted in this life and do the best you can with it.

If someone desires to be a girl because his testosterone is low, the rational solution should be to increase the testosterone rather than lower it and introduce a foreign hormone. If a male has some emotional issues, female hormones would probably make it worse.

In the end it is up to them. Just don't sure someone to accept it.

Usually a MtF's testorone levels are at normal or above. Why are you happy in whichever gender you are in? Why is transgenderism so rare? Because something is making you happy in your gender and you just don't question it. You also don't believe that the mechanism can ever fail.

[idiom]

You are insane.

Boys are boys and girls are girls.

Bourgeoisie are Bourgeoisie and Proletariat are Proletariat. We must NOT MIX OUR CATEGORIES! Good little Marxist.

[Swordsmyth]

Bourgeoisie are Bourgeoisie and Proletariat are Proletariat. We must NOT MIX OUR CATEGORIES! Good little Marxist.
:rolleyes:

Next you and your insane friends will want to mix humans and animals.

Grow up and accept that there are limits in the universe.

[idiom]

:rolleyes:

Next you and your insane friends will want to mix humans and animals.

Grow up and accept that there are limits in the universe.

We put pig organs in humans all the time. The limits are in your mind.

[RJB]

Why are you happy in whichever gender you are in? If you have to ask that question, you will probably be a miserable person no matter your life's circumstances. I wish I could play basketball like Michael Jordan. I can't, but I am still happy. I wish I could fly, but I can't, but I am still happy. I accept who I am. If I was made into a woman, why should I be miserable?

CS Lewis said we do not have a spirit but rather we are a spirit, we have s body. It may be a good idea to adapt a less materialistic view of your happiness. But whatever you do, I appreciate your presence on the forum.

[timosman]

Overpopulation (local or global) can lead to insanity in many different ways.

Liberalism being one of them. :cool:

[Swordsmyth]

We put pig organs in humans all the time. The limits are in your mind.
That isn't the same thing as you trying to become a pig.

There are limits.

[Swordsmyth]

Liberalism being one of them. :cool:
Yup.

[Stratovarious]

Y'all even read what you are posting when you post it?
Do you even read. :frog:

[RJB]

BTW, if I said I need to cut off my pinky finger to truly be me and have happiness, people would call me insane. However if I have that attitude for my penis, all of the sudden I am brave in an SJW's view.